>self improvement is masturbation

>self improvement is masturbation

Was he right?

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    tyler durden is a retard

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      lifting is a cope if youre short or ugly he kinda spittin

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      He's literally me

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Checking those digits. But don’t leave out how he says self destruction is actually something. I think Tyler is right, but Palahniuk is wrong. He is trying to vilify masculinity and stoicism but instead hits the nail on the fucking head. You should be training for a greater purpose than just getting aesthetic or fit, you should be making a movement that tears down injustice. And that can be a very dangerous thing. But the author would rather say you are gay like him because Tyler is a pied piper for pole smoking.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      There is no greater purpose than aesthetics. The everlasting pursuit of beauty.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        And it fades with time unless you are world class champion. There is no legacy in saying I used to be hot unless it inspires others to embrace beauty and try to create more of it too.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The ideal is somewhere between mindless consumption and project mayhem. The members of project mayhem were basically as mindless as the average consumer, putting blind faith into some "higher calling" that was chosen for them

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        this part always flies over everyones head. they traded in being a mindless consumer with a boring dead end job to being a mindless follower causing mayhem because their schizo daddy told them so. they didn't change at all, tyler just brought out the worst in them

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >The worst
          The wild west is infinitely better than being a fiat debt slave. And never forget the clerk he got to go back to school. Having a cause and a fight is infinitely better than becoming a slave to stuff. The people who wrote that did so to mock you because it is so far beyond them. To put in terms you can understand, Chuck is the crying wojack and Tyler is the chad saying yes.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Self-destruction and Self-improvement are tied, for one cannot remake oneself without destroying what came before.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Well that was kinda Tylers whole point. Basic self improvement assumes you are just gonna build off of what your got. Tuler says fuck that, tear the whole fucking house down and start over without the bullshit your parents and teachers tried to shove in your head. For people in project mayhem that made most of them his foot soldiers but he also had others he could trust to be generals to make sure the plan went forward should he be “forced asleep”. Which is why he can lie in a coma after shooting himself and have the plan continue without him.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Checked and absolutely agreed. You’re lied to by everyone around you for 20+ years in most cases. If anything improvement can’t even begin until the destruction is complete.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >You’re lied to by everyone around you for 20+ years in most cases
          It's fucking deranged when you think about how many of the "lessons" you've been taught are utter bullshit and if anything actively goes against your success. You have to become your own father. Fuck me it's a struggle, it's one giant soup of bullshit you have to wade out of.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Just imagine how bad it is now for anyone still under 20. When I was that age it was mostly the shit straight from
            Fight Club. Degree-Job-Marriage-Family with the beginnings of socio-political brainwashing. Now it’s just turned up to full blast and everyone is “identifying” with as many labels as they can latch on to while still remaining safe in their echo chamber. Even if a Tyler Durden type existed in real life would he even bother with a Project Mayhem or just let the system cannibalize itself, which it’s already doing.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I sure as hell aint listnan to no hollywood garden gnome man

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How can I motivte myself to do something with my life? 🙁

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Get robbed at gun point with the hammer pulled back.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You're already concreting. What else did you want to do?

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Does that mean that masturbation is self improvement?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Does that mean that masturbation is self improvement?
      would God make it feel good if he didn't want you to do it?

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    idk depends what u mean by self improvement

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Was he right?
    he is right.
    you're getting the same high from pretending you're enlightened or "better" at something that you would get from jerking off.

    still rather be hot than be ugly.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    more or less. If it's in the pursuit of vanity. Although he would probably say if you want to get laid just go rape someone. People do all this shit hoping the things will come to them rather than going out and getting it. If you're lifting for something not so trivial then it's not true but that's not most of the people you see in the gym.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's a good point that is completely lost on most people. The point being that self-improvement for the purpose of self-improvement IS masturbation. It's not actual growth, it's just getting that dopamine hit from hitting arbitrary targets you set. Self-destruction shows you who you really are and provides the learning opportunity for real personal growth, provided you don't take it too far and have a nice day first.

    It's not really relevant for most people though, anyway, as most people just wallow in barely conscious mediocrity. The fringes of society are the homeless bums on the street and the ultra successful workaholics who secretly hate themselves and their lives.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Based you sound like basement squat rack anon

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That guy is a total pseudgay

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      effectively this same logic is why everyone who went through actual BCT has some form of PTSD.
      They very idea of de-construction of the ego allows you to see the epitome of what you really can do.

      You can act like the biggest badass ever, until you get in a firefight you really never know how you would act.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    rectreverso is actually true:
    masturbation is self improvement

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Self improvement is diet. Self destruction is lifting. Notice how less faggy the lifting threads are than the diet threads? Not against healthy eating but vegan and keto wars make the crossfit craze from 10 years ago look like child's play.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's funny how an extremely gay communist wrote the most manly book to ever exist
    I'm a fan of Chuck btw, but there's no questioning he's a flaming gay

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah.
    Just look at all the thots today with social media and dumb boys taking steroids just to make themselves feel better

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't get that scene. They get on the bus, Norton asks Tyler if he thinks men should look like that fit underwear model, he pretentiously laughs about it although he looks like one himself.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Masturbation is self improvement

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He means self improvement for its own sake is a masturbatory act. Nobody gives a fuck how well read you are, how much you bench press, or whatever. If you can apply those improved abilities and traits, that's now an externalized action. The point is it's related to Nietzsche's ethos where a man must work to make himself his own God, or Frankl's notion that one must work to acquire meaning.
    Self improvement doesn't provide a man a sense of meaning, but that is how it is typically pursued. The meaning will justify the improvements, and one must be cognizant and willing to reach that state -- hence why Tyler wanted men to give up what they had to become "free to do anything".

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    so let me get this straight. brad pitt, who is literally a male model, who is rich as fuck, one of the most attractive men in the world, who worked out quite a lot to develop that body.... played a role in a movie where he masturbates over self destruction lol. tyler durden the character hates everything about who brad pitt is in the real world.

    the movie is a joke

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Look up the concept of death of the author.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Nooo, that is only for people like C.S. Lewis and Tolkien! The heckin gay author is immune to this!

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    To an extent, but you can't take the statement literally.

    For example, having a high bodyfat percentage degrades sexual function and cognitive ability, so losing weight as a fatass is decidedly NOT just masturbation, but rather one of the most concrete, real forms of self-improvement in the truest sense possible.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    he's attractive and looks cool and has a nice body so he's right and I want to be like him

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    We all know that one guy who still posts Fight Club quotes on social media well after high school

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Using social media
      NGMI

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        IST is social media

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          why is there always an idiot saying this? communicating with people online does not make something social media you retard

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >communicating with people online does not make something social media you retard
            Yes it does

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              no, it doesn't. if that were the case then email would be social media lol. i can tell you're a social media addict

              >The worst
              The wild west is infinitely better than being a fiat debt slave. And never forget the clerk he got to go back to school. Having a cause and a fight is infinitely better than becoming a slave to stuff. The people who wrote that did so to mock you because it is so far beyond them. To put in terms you can understand, Chuck is the crying wojack and Tyler is the chad saying yes.

              you're a moron who watched too much walking dead and you think you'll be some survivalist bad ass if shit ever collapsed. no, you'll get your shit pushed in and then they'll take all your shit. you're a moron

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                And you are a coward afraid of what would happen if you chose to believe in yourself.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                you read marcus aurelius meditations and decided "this is my personality now" lmao. fucking zombie

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I’m sorry your gym crush isn’t into “bussy”.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                hahaha you did read it didnt you

                Ok. What exactly about what I said was dumb? You jealous tower-dweller? Mad I’m looking up at the stars while all you see is glowing ads and ambulance lights?

                i live in a new england suburb you rural trash

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >suburb
                Ahhhhhhhh hahahahahahahaha. Wow. Anon, I…..

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                you're just poor

                Is your New England suburb overrun with Somalis like that town in Maine?

                lol no its all white people here

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Half mexican hands typed this. Like the marriage was for a green card half.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Of course I read it. Fincher leaving out the beach scene is a tragedy.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Is your New England suburb overrun with Somalis like that town in Maine?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >walking dead
                Many such cases. Anyone posting such things and still living in a city is the first to go. I got my foot forward by moving to a remote part of the country. I’d rather take my chances and die in the wilderness like millions of others who took that shot in juman history than fantasizing about becoming some revolutionary badass fighting Big Brother

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                thank you for existing, it makes me feel much better about myself knowing dumb people like you exist

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Ok. What exactly about what I said was dumb? You jealous tower-dweller? Mad I’m looking up at the stars while all you see is glowing ads and ambulance lights?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                you mad bro. why?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >if that were the case then email would be social media lol
                No it wouldn’t

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                email is used for communication between people, according to you that means its social media.

                go back to twitter

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                email is social media retard

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          This is technically correct but if you can't see the difference between IST and Facebook/Instagram/ticktock them you'd have never made it even if you never touched the internet.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    you mean the gay that wrote the book said that? sounds like something a degenerate gay would say

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, goy, just be a fat hedonist and stop trying, it's what you cattle were meant for!

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I like Tyler in the first half where he's basically just advocating minimalism and freedom from the rat race. The project mayhem part is where I tune out

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Project mayhem is where Chuck tries to show anyone who advocates for the first half are all psychotic monsters. It is the same for American Psycho. The only way to make those admittedly autistic attention to detail traits of Bateman evil is to also make him a murderer. It is how these metro fags cope.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You stimulate parts of the brain and the muscles needed for sexual activity. So yes, he was. Unless you don't believe in science.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So if self-improvement is masturbation, what's the alternative? Wallowing in mediocrity like everyone else? Not trying to improve in multiple aspects of life?
    People will call it cringe and cope for reading self help books (which most are), lifting weights, and learning new skills, but if you drink every night after working a job you hate and talk about Netflix show #5739, no one bats an eye

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Is the bird okay?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        He’s fine. Just pining for the fjords.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Read the thread gay

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It’s hard to take anything in this book seriously once you know it started asPalahaniuk’s gay fantasy about beating men off in the woods. Gay men can’t really speak for all men cause they don’t have to deal with women

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >caring about yourself or anything at all is masturbation
    This is a nihilist point of view, and I don't have time for nihilists. If they really believed their existence is suffering and nothing matters bullshit they preached they'd just kill themselves, but they often don't, do they?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Sneed

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    guys, I'm so horny and yesterday I almost came to this photo of my friend from University who has a tight body and nice tits but is a butterface. Somehow that makes her hotter. AHHHHHhhhhhhh
    I'm going to be with her tomorrow at a birthday party She has a ltr manlet boyfriend btw

    I kind want to let her know I think she's attractive for some reason
    ahhh

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Elizabeth Elliot (look her up) reminds people if there is no ring there is no true commitment so it isn’t cheating. Quite literally if you like it you better lock it down. Obviously she is against casual sex from her belief and time, but a powerful mindset if you can adopt it. Your crush’s bf is a rival to be killed not a bro to be pittied.

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Pitt flubbed the line and Fincher was on pills from hanging out with Downey Jr. in preparation for Zodiac and thought it sounded deep.
    It was scripted to be "masturbation is self improvement".

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