>self improvement is masturbation
Was he right?
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>self improvement is masturbation
Was he right?
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tyler durden is a moron
lifting is a cope if youre short or ugly he kinda spittin
He's literally me
Checking those digits. But don’t leave out how he says self destruction is actually something. I think Tyler is right, but Palahniuk is wrong. He is trying to vilify masculinity and stoicism but instead hits the nail on the fricking head. You should be training for a greater purpose than just getting aesthetic or fit, you should be making a movement that tears down injustice. And that can be a very dangerous thing. But the author would rather say you are gay like him because Tyler is a pied piper for pole smoking.
There is no greater purpose than aesthetics. The everlasting pursuit of beauty.
And it fades with time unless you are world class champion. There is no legacy in saying I used to be hot unless it inspires others to embrace beauty and try to create more of it too.
The ideal is somewhere between mindless consumption and project mayhem. The members of project mayhem were basically as mindless as the average consumer, putting blind faith into some "higher calling" that was chosen for them
this part always flies over everyones head. they traded in being a mindless consumer with a boring dead end job to being a mindless follower causing mayhem because their schizo daddy told them so. they didn't change at all, tyler just brought out the worst in them
>The worst
The wild west is infinitely better than being a fiat debt slave. And never forget the clerk he got to go back to school. Having a cause and a fight is infinitely better than becoming a slave to stuff. The people who wrote that did so to mock you because it is so far beyond them. To put in terms you can understand, Chuck is the crying wojack and Tyler is the chad saying yes.
Self-destruction and Self-improvement are tied, for one cannot remake oneself without destroying what came before.
Well that was kinda Tylers whole point. Basic self improvement assumes you are just gonna build off of what your got. Tuler says frick that, tear the whole fricking house down and start over without the bullshit your parents and teachers tried to shove in your head. For people in project mayhem that made most of them his foot soldiers but he also had others he could trust to be generals to make sure the plan went forward should he be “forced asleep”. Which is why he can lie in a coma after shooting himself and have the plan continue without him.
Checked and absolutely agreed. You’re lied to by everyone around you for 20+ years in most cases. If anything improvement can’t even begin until the destruction is complete.
>You’re lied to by everyone around you for 20+ years in most cases
It's fricking deranged when you think about how many of the "lessons" you've been taught are utter bullshit and if anything actively goes against your success. You have to become your own father. Frick me it's a struggle, it's one giant soup of bullshit you have to wade out of.
Just imagine how bad it is now for anyone still under 20. When I was that age it was mostly the shit straight from
Fight Club. Degree-Job-Marriage-Family with the beginnings of socio-political brainwashing. Now it’s just turned up to full blast and everyone is “identifying” with as many labels as they can latch on to while still remaining safe in their echo chamber. Even if a Tyler Durden type existed in real life would he even bother with a Project Mayhem or just let the system cannibalize itself, which it’s already doing.
I sure as hell aint listnan to no Hollywood israelite man
How can I motivte myself to do something with my life? 🙁
Get robbed at gun point with the hammer pulled back.
You're already concreting. What else did you want to do?
Does that mean that masturbation is self improvement?
>Does that mean that masturbation is self improvement?
would God make it feel good if he didn't want you to do it?
idk depends what u mean by self improvement
>Was he right?
he is right.
you're getting the same high from pretending you're enlightened or "better" at something that you would get from jerking off.
still rather be hot than be ugly.
more or less. If it's in the pursuit of vanity. Although he would probably say if you want to get laid just go rape someone. People do all this shit hoping the things will come to them rather than going out and getting it. If you're lifting for something not so trivial then it's not true but that's not most of the people you see in the gym.
It's a good point that is completely lost on most people. The point being that self-improvement for the purpose of self-improvement IS masturbation. It's not actual growth, it's just getting that dopamine hit from hitting arbitrary targets you set. Self-destruction shows you who you really are and provides the learning opportunity for real personal growth, provided you don't take it too far and have a nice day first.
It's not really relevant for most people though, anyway, as most people just wallow in barely conscious mediocrity. The fringes of society are the homeless bums on the street and the ultra successful workaholics who secretly hate themselves and their lives.
Based you sound like basement squat rack anon
That guy is a total pseudhomosexual
effectively this same logic is why everyone who went through actual BCT has some form of PTSD.
They very idea of de-construction of the ego allows you to see the epitome of what you really can do.
You can act like the biggest badass ever, until you get in a firefight you really never know how you would act.
rectreverso is actually true:
masturbation is self improvement
Self improvement is diet. Self destruction is lifting. Notice how less homosexual the lifting threads are than the diet threads? Not against healthy eating but vegan and keto wars make the crossfit craze from 10 years ago look like child's play.
It's funny how an extremely gay communist wrote the most manly book to ever exist
I'm a fan of Chuck btw, but there's no questioning he's a flaming homosexual
Yeah.
Just look at all the thots today with social media and dumb boys taking steroids just to make themselves feel better
I don't get that scene. They get on the bus, Norton asks Tyler if he thinks men should look like that fit underwear model, he pretentiously laughs about it although he looks like one himself.
Masturbation is self improvement
He means self improvement for its own sake is a masturbatory act. Nobody gives a frick how well read you are, how much you bench press, or whatever. If you can apply those improved abilities and traits, that's now an externalized action. The point is it's related to Nietzsche's ethos where a man must work to make himself his own God, or Frankl's notion that one must work to acquire meaning.
Self improvement doesn't provide a man a sense of meaning, but that is how it is typically pursued. The meaning will justify the improvements, and one must be cognizant and willing to reach that state -- hence why Tyler wanted men to give up what they had to become "free to do anything".
so let me get this straight. brad pitt, who is literally a male model, who is rich as frick, one of the most attractive men in the world, who worked out quite a lot to develop that body.... played a role in a movie where he jerk offs over self destruction lol. tyler durden the character hates everything about who brad pitt is in the real world.
the movie is a joke
Look up the concept of death of the author.
>Nooo, that is only for people like C.S. Lewis and Tolkien! The heckin gay author is immune to this!
To an extent, but you can't take the statement literally.
For example, having a high bodyfat percentage degrades sexual function and cognitive ability, so losing weight as a fatass is decidedly NOT just masturbation, but rather one of the most concrete, real forms of self-improvement in the truest sense possible.
he's attractive and looks cool and has a nice body so he's right and I want to be like him
We all know that one guy who still posts Fight Club quotes on social media well after high school
>Using social media
NGMI
IST is social media
why is there always an idiot saying this? communicating with people online does not make something social media you moron
>communicating with people online does not make something social media you moron
Yes it does
no, it doesn't. if that were the case then email would be social media lol. i can tell you're a social media addict
you're a moron who watched too much walking dead and you think you'll be some survivalist bad ass if shit ever collapsed. no, you'll get your shit pushed in and then they'll take all your shit. you're a moron
And you are a coward afraid of what would happen if you chose to believe in yourself.
you read marcus aurelius meditations and decided "this is my personality now" lmao. fricking zombie
I’m sorry your gym crush isn’t into “bussy”.
hahaha you did read it didnt you
i live in a new england suburb you rural trash
>suburb
Ahhhhhhhh hahahahahahahaha. Wow. Anon, I…..
you're just poor
lol no its all white people here
Half mexican hands typed this. Like the marriage was for a green card half.
Of course I read it. Fincher leaving out the beach scene is a tragedy.
Is your New England suburb overrun with Somalis like that town in Maine?
>walking dead
Many such cases. Anyone posting such things and still living in a city is the first to go. I got my foot forward by moving to a remote part of the country. I’d rather take my chances and die in the wilderness like millions of others who took that shot in juman history than fantasizing about becoming some revolutionary badass fighting Big Brother
thank you for existing, it makes me feel much better about myself knowing dumb people like you exist
Ok. What exactly about what I said was dumb? You jealous tower-dweller? Mad I’m looking up at the stars while all you see is glowing ads and ambulance lights?
you mad bro. why?
>if that were the case then email would be social media lol
No it wouldn’t
email is used for communication between people, according to you that means its social media.
go back to twitter
email is social media moron
This is technically correct but if you can't see the difference between IST and Facebook/Instagram/ticktock them you'd have never made it even if you never touched the internet.
you mean the homosexual that wrote the book said that? sounds like something a degenerate homosexual would say
Yes, goy, just be a fat hedonist and stop trying, it's what you cattle were meant for!
I like Tyler in the first half where he's basically just advocating minimalism and freedom from the rat race. The project mayhem part is where I tune out
Project mayhem is where Chuck tries to show anyone who advocates for the first half are all psychotic monsters. It is the same for American Psycho. The only way to make those admittedly autistic attention to detail traits of Bateman evil is to also make him a murderer. It is how these metro gays cope.
You stimulate parts of the brain and the muscles needed for sexual activity. So yes, he was. Unless you don't believe in science.
So if self-improvement is masturbation, what's the alternative? Wallowing in mediocrity like everyone else? Not trying to improve in multiple aspects of life?
People will call it cringe and cope for reading self help books (which most are), lifting weights, and learning new skills, but if you drink every night after working a job you hate and talk about Netflix show #5739, no one bats an eye
Is the bird okay?
He’s fine. Just pining for the fjords.
Read the thread homosexual
It’s hard to take anything in this book seriously once you know it started asPalahaniuk’s gay fantasy about beating men off in the woods. Gay men can’t really speak for all men cause they don’t have to deal with women
>caring about yourself or anything at all is masturbation
This is a nihilist point of view, and I don't have time for nihilists. If they really believed their existence is suffering and nothing matters bullshit they preached they'd just kill themselves, but they often don't, do they?
Sneed
guys, I'm so horny and yesterday I almost came to this photo of my friend from University who has a tight body and nice breasts but is a butterface. Somehow that makes her hotter. AHHHHHhhhhhhh
I'm going to be with her tomorrow at a birthday party She has a ltr manlet boyfriend btw
I kind want to let her know I think she's attractive for some reason
ahhh
Elizabeth Elliot (look her up) reminds people if there is no ring there is no true commitment so it isn’t cheating. Quite literally if you like it you better lock it down. Obviously she is against casual sex from her belief and time, but a powerful mindset if you can adopt it. Your crush’s bf is a rival to be killed not a bro to be pittied.
Pitt flubbed the line and Fincher was on pills from hanging out with Downey Jr. in preparation for Zodiac and thought it sounded deep.
It was scripted to be "masturbation is self improvement".