self-improvers explain this

>5'9", 175lbs
>IST physique with visible abs
>caring about appearance with skin-care, grooming, haircut etc.
>getting a valuable degree
>can cook
>can draw
>read books
>still undesirable to girls
According to IST I am in the top 20% of men easily which should help me land a girlfriend and yet I am completely invisible to them with no success whatsover. Do I need to be in the top 1% or what?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Women smell desperation. That's why every incel is stuck in a loop. They don't lose the desperation aspect.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >just talk to women
      >they’re just regular people
      >oh but they also have a sixth sense for [word of the day] so that’s why you’re single
      miss me with your simping apologist shit

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Once you accept yourself, everyone will be forced to accept you, young Padawan.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Regular people also have this sense too…

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >common sense and simple observational skills are a sixth sense
        You gays put out these needy insecure vibes that can be seen from a mile away. You have so little self-awareness that you're the only ones who *can't* see it.
        I can just picture OP at a party nervously darting his eyes around while standing in the corner, wondering why no girls are fluttering their eyelashes at him like in his animes.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >sixth sense
        I guess I have it too cause I'm pretty sure I'd be able to tell you're a desperate incel IRL bro
        Did you think millions of yours of evolution for our species didn't create a way to tell how a person feels by how they move, talk, act, carry themselves?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          *years

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      she loses smell if its chad tho, must be corona

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      how do I lose the desperation aspect
      I try to not care but it is how it is

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Fake it until you make it. You do your utter best to pretend like you don't care until you actually don't care. When I was young it was extremely hard for me not to be an instant texter / attention machine. Now that I've been around the block I don't fucking care and if a girl wants me they're going to need to put some effort in.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Answer me Why you are desperate In the first place

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          because I have been lonely and a virgin for 22 years (not op but same age)

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Okay. The fact you're a virgin isn't the cause if desperation, there are religious Chad virgins who save themselves for marriage, this doesn't cause desperation. So you are lonely. You realize you can fix this problem in the short term so you aren't lonely right? Make friends, talk to family, make the effort to stay in touch with people. Do you have friends? Are you telling me if you weren't lonely you wouldn't be desperate?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >22
            moron you are young, you don't need to be desperate until like 30

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Being on your own and being a virgin is not a bad thing. You think of it as a deficiency simply by calling it "lonely" already. By your use of language you have pre-emptively qualified yourself as deficient in your own eyes, this is then expressed in your behavior and thought which is easily picked up by others.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    you are just young. the older you get the more women will like you.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I am already 22 years old and I think this is a massive cope.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's the same as a kid saying 'I'm already 8 years old, I'm grown'. No you're not.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        wait until you're 32. it's fucking bizarre.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          This. I get more pussy at 30 than I got a 20 or 25. From younger girls I would have considered out of my league at their age. It feels weird sometimes because I don't feel I've changed that much.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            yo do you got a job? are you broke? you got status?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        ok zoomer

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm 30 and women are way more interested in me now than when I was 22. They were plenty interested in me at 22 as well though. 25 was the tipping point where they started seeing me as more of a man than a boy though.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          You are just tall and attractive as well as every other dude who got more attention from women as they got older. I am invisible to women now and I will always be invisible because the only thing age does is make me look uglier.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Guy on the left looks like he has a weird face. Probably a fitcel.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    What are you doing to meet and interact with women, OP? Parties? Hobbies? Social occasions?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I have been going to parties and drawing classes but I couldn't talk to the girls there because I am basically invisible which means they don't give me any signals that I can approach them like eye contact, a smile, hair waving, blushing or even trying to talk to ME.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Lmao
        Who's gonna tell him guys?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Girls are less shallow then men. They focus less on the physical and more on the personality. So if you are looking for signs that a girl likes you when you have never even spoken to her, then you will never see them.

          Bruh I swear its always the social autism and overthinking that kills. Its okay I suffered fom the same thing, but YOU have to talk to them. Yes, its very uncomfortable if you're not used to it, but thats even more of a reason to do it. "What do I talk about?" It depends on the social setting but it can be literally anything. Ask a question, make an observation. Keep an open and curious mind. Just try and flow. Its difficult trying to explain it over text, its one of those things you just know instinctively.

          By your own description you sound like a decently handsome guy so its in your best intrest to drop all redpill, blackpill, -cel, -max, whatever bullshit thats spewed on IST. You're probably in the corner thinking, "Damn Im a gymcel who's trying to statmax but then chad walks in. I cant talk to this girl. Whatever shes a whore anyways. Blackpilled again." You're shooting yourself in the foot

          How do you talk to a girl at a party or drawing class then without her giving you any signals? I am afraid that she will call me out for being a creepy rapist. Men are pre-selected by girls and they should be giving out signals to who they like.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why do incels always speak in absolutes? You are wrong. Also FPBP

            Women smell desperation. That's why every incel is stuck in a loop. They don't lose the desperation aspect.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Why do incels always speak in absolutes?
              Because female attraction is absolute. Either a girl find you physically attractive then you got a chance or she doesn't then no other qualities can convince her.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Dipshit

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's funny how you can't pull women, but you talk like you know exactly what they want and think. If you truly knew, you'd be able to pull women.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                not necessarily. you don't take lifting and diet advice from roiders if you're natty. it's the same here

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Pic very related.

                not necessarily. you don't take lifting and diet advice from roiders if you're natty. it's the same here

                Oh? So what is the "roid equivalent" at work here then?
                >inb4 genetics
                Any fucking excuse with you people, kek.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                there's no contradiction here. most men that have sex do so because they are attractive so their advice would not necessarily work on someone less attractive. most women's advice is scientifically proven to be bullshit. i've seen a statistic controlling for stated importance of looks in a relationship and actual importance of looks and baically all women said they don't prioritize looks but looking at the data showed that they did much more than men. while men's stated and actual preference was about the same

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I can go to Walmart and see with my eyes ugly men with girlfriends. Incels live in their basements so long they think only top 10% guys have girlfriends and wives.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                just because 2 people walk next to each other doesn't make them a couple. only time i've ever seen couples kiss or hold hands it's always been the man mogging the woman by 2-3/10 points in attractiveness. i know it's kind of autistic to look for these things but i can't help it

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You're frankly just wrong and you deserve being alone.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                you're just gaslighting incels

                >there's no contradiction here. most men that have sex do so because they are attractive
                No, most men are ugly as fuck. And that's not even according to me. That's according to YOU fucking retards who love throwing out the "women consider 80% of men le unattractive" at every opportunity. Except the whole incel house of cards comes tumbling down when you realize it's not 80% of men who aren't having sex...
                > so their advice would not necessarily work on someone less attractive
                Why not? Learning how to actually interact with people is a universal skill. What's really going on here is you're seething you're not good looking enough to just coast on your looks completely. You have zero experience in this arena so it's never even occurred to you that a good looking but boring or awkward dud of a guy will get blown out by a good looking guy who actually also has a personality and can talk to her.

                >No, most men are ugly as fuck
                t. roastie

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You're the one gaslighting, you say you people watch but you happily ignore the people that are clearly in relationships that are ugly. Or am I just going to pretend the balding manlet with three kids at Walmart I saw last Saturday was just their kissless uncle? Haha you fucking joke.

                Post body.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >but you happily ignore the people that are clearly in relationships that are ugly
                ugly women yes, ugly men not so much

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Oh no body picture, full of shit LULZ

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >the balding manlet with three kids at Walmart I saw last Saturday was just their kissless uncle
                He might just be.
                Also how could you tell that theyre his kids?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Post body

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                What ist the lethal dose of copium again?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm a roastie for repeating back YOUR incel mantra to you? Can you even fucking read?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Its nice that no one has ever accused me of being an incel on IST or /adv/. Do I hate hope?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                well you think like a woman. how is it incel mantra? you're saying most men are ugly. i disagree because most men self improve and genuinely mog most women. most women just cake up makeup

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >men mog women in attractiveness
                Bruh you're gay. Like not even "haha you gay" gay, I mean you're literally a homosexual.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >youre le gay
                incel cope tbh

                Attractiveness is not objective.
                Women's perception change and men's attractiveness change with it.
                What was 6/10 three years ago can now barely reach 3/10/

                >Attractiveness is not objective
                women seem to statistically disagree

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Attractiveness is not objective.
                Women's perception change and men's attractiveness change with it.
                What was 6/10 three years ago can now barely reach 3/10/

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I still have women hit on me despite being overweight. If you are ugly, you need to make up for it with money, status and personality. Looks are not everything and are less important for a man than a women. You just dont want to improve your weaknesses.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Looks are not everything and are less important for a man than a women
                i don't have the statistic in question but there's one that proves that looks are less proportionately important to women in respect to other qualities but over all they are still more important compared to men and are stil lthe number one thing important to both genders

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                The amount of money you need to woo women with it alone is outside the reach of 95% of people. Status is basically social domination, and requires a good start and years of positive reinforcement.

                Looks, now, are the most important thing a man can have, because a plurality of dating takes place online - where looks are what gets you through the door.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                It does take place online but there is still a reality out there and you can go join it. Theres work, theres malls, theres clubs, theres gyms.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >malls
                I've seen """daygamers""" burn out malls and get asked to leave by security. It only works if you are exceptionally good looking or you live in one of the largest cities. You could get away with this in the Houston Galleria, but not everyone lives in Houston, NYC, or similar megacities. And the majority of social calibration is looking good, but only 20% of guys "look good" to women.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Cold approach is stupid and a waste of time. Only approach warm leads and you'll only have good experiences. You'd simply have a better experience finding a public place with high leisure traffic and chill reading an interesting book.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah you're right when women like you your attractiveness rating goes up. Social game increases your attractiveness rating. Too bad you only post incel content on IST and don't talk to people, let alone women, in real life.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >At work, I do my work then leave
                This is actually terrible advice outside of minimum wage jobs and owning your own business. Talking to coworkers, bosses, other departments is how you get to pull favors, learn about other jobs inside and outside the company, get yourself fast tracked for promotion, and in general make your life easy. If your boss likes you he'll think of something nice to say during the performance review.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah incels are anti-social and hate people but want sex because they're porn addicted. Turns out sex is a social activity.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >there's no contradiction here. most men that have sex do so because they are attractive
                No, most men are ugly as fuck. And that's not even according to me. That's according to YOU fucking retards who love throwing out the "women consider 80% of men le unattractive" at every opportunity. Except the whole incel house of cards comes tumbling down when you realize it's not 80% of men who aren't having sex...
                > so their advice would not necessarily work on someone less attractive
                Why not? Learning how to actually interact with people is a universal skill. What's really going on here is you're seething you're not good looking enough to just coast on your looks completely. You have zero experience in this arena so it's never even occurred to you that a good looking but boring or awkward dud of a guy will get blown out by a good looking guy who actually also has a personality and can talk to her.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                ask yourself this question: why is there no woman incels if it's about personality? how can men spend their whole lives improving their personality and still not be enough while most women have honestly dogshit dopamine fried personalities and have no problems dating? doesn't add up

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                First of all, there are women incels.
                Second of all...men and women are not the same. You guys seem to have a real problem wrapping your brains around this. Men and women don't necessarily prioritize the same things. Maybe you should just date men at this point. You type like a woman and obsess over men's looks, maybe it's time you connect the dots you fucking closet case.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >First of all, there are women incels
                stopped reading. you need to get blackpilled asap

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >granny fetishists are a thing
                Amazing discovery anon, you should get a nobel prize

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Sorry Granny turned you down bruh. Cope and seethe.

                copium overdose

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Turned down by Eggman as well as Granny?
                Time to git gud, gay.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                based gaslighter

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Sorry Granny turned you down bruh. Cope and seethe.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Men have lower standards for having sex. Any woman can get sex. If men's gold standard is fucking a hottie, women's gold standard is a Disney fairytale relationship. Femcels can have sex (women can have sex easy), they are incapable of holding a quality man down.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              OP, every normal moron here insulting you, calling you an incel, etc. is just a lying piece of shit that can NEVER understand what it's like to be in your shoes. just look at what one such gay says
              genuinely brain damaged moron. The truth is that looks are all that matter nowadays. It's face > height > frame. All of this "you're just autistic with no personality" is meaningless when if you have even just one of the above then you suddenly do have personality for women. You're not trying to attract men, right? The fact that you're 5'9 is hurting you OP, im sorry but there's nothing you can do to change that. Since you actually do talk to women all I can say is to keep doing that and maybe you'll strike gold.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Or just go to Asia. Sure, he'll be met with the derision of his peers. But the people criticizing him probably have girlfriends that look like picrel.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Height is more important than face but go off I guess

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You walk up to her and talk to her. Introduce yourself and ask her name, if you are at he same party, there is a common interest you can draw upon.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I am afraid that she will call me out for being a creepy rapist.
            This has never happened to you so why are you scared of it?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Not him but it happened to me once pretty badly and it's fucked up my women skills for years since.
              How do I get over it?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              People in high school joked about how I looked like a school shooter. A woman telling me I seem like a creepy rapist is not at all far-fetched.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >How do you talk to a girl at a party or drawing class then without her giving you any signals?
            how do you talk to guys if they dont give you any signals?
            if you only talk to women because you want to fuck them its already over you antisocial freak

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >how do you talk to guys if they dont give you any signals?
              I don't, do you? I honestly don't think I've ever started a conversation with another man in my life where there wasn't already at least some kind of acknowledgement from them, whether that be them smiling me, or they laughed at something I did, or whatever.

              That kind of acknowledgment never comes from women though.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm always surprised to hear this from people. I used to do it way back when I was a kid on the playground despite being an immigrant who spoke next to no English and got bullied in school. Not a flex, just to say I always thought it was a natural instinct of a social animal.

                Anyways yeah you can talk to just about anyone who doesn't look too busy.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Girls are less shallow then men. They focus less on the physical and more on the personality. So if you are looking for signs that a girl likes you when you have never even spoken to her, then you will never see them.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Girls are less shallow then men
          Lmao this has to be bait. Girls care a lot more about looks (genetics) than men do. What kills OPs desirability is the fact that he is 5'9" and probably has an ugly face. He could be a millionaire and still never get a girlfriend.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Being ugly is bad but you are dead wrong in looks. Im not saying it doesnt matter, which is why I said, less, Im saying it its not as bad as it is with men. If you read OPs actual post, hes pretty average but hes expecting women to be wetting themselves and giggling as they turn away when he catches them looking at him. Thats his standard before even approaching one.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Without knowing how you look, I can definetly tell you that it is your personality that keeps you from getting laid. You won't find a gf with this mindset

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Girls are less shallow then men
          incel tier cope

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Using a dating website as a source
            Any girl that uses those websites is a harlot and needs to be shipped to Afghanistan for a year for rehabilitation

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >nooo you have to use anecdotes like me!!
              yeah i don't think so

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Men outnumber women 3:1 on all dating apps. You're too lazy or afraid to irl approach and end up in the sausagefest as a result

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                that would be true if A) it was any different on social media and B) most women didn't opt for online dating

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >most
                >3:1
                >a minimum of 2/3 of all women are not on dating apps
                Keep coping

                [...]
                I’m not good looking, why the fuck would I have/keep pictures of myself?

                Because you're probably not as ugly as you think

                >>5'9", 175lbs
                This is 50th percentile at best, and that's being generous
                physique with visible abs
                about appearance with skin-care, grooming, haircut etc.
                a valuable degree
                literally means nothing until you graduate and you use it to actually make money, also could be going to a clown college
                >>can cook
                >>can draw
                no one cares about this? unless you are going for art hoes
                >>read books
                undesirable to girls

                You're gonna be a 6/10. Accept it and aim lower or play the long game, establishing a career and social status

                I have OP's stats and most of his talents and I have no problem pulling girls. He's probably just psyching himself out before he can get anywhere. Even Saint Elliot was a good looking dude, dressed well, but when he opened his mouth you understood why he wasn't getting any.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I have OP's stats and most of his talents and I have no problem pulling girls. He's probably just psyching himself out before he can get anywhere. Even Saint Elliot was a good looking dude, dressed well, but when he opened his mouth you understood why he wasn't getting any.
                Yeah, personality and swagger is everything in college. Half the slayers in my fraternity were the average looking dudes who were social butterflies

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Half the slayers in my fraternity were the average looking dudes who were social butterflies
                let me guess they're all "average" i.e. 6-8/10?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Keep coping. Served with a dude in the army that was average as fuck and had a different bitch every night. They were also average, but that’s far better results than the incels here

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >6-8/10?
                nah they were 6s at best

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >A) it was any different on social media and
                social media isnt real life either, leave your basement
                >B) most women didn't opt for online dating
                they dont, most people date irl

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >nooo you have to use anecdotes like me!!
                yeah i don't think so

                based gaslighter

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                40% is not "most"

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                close enough. the trend is clear

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Im still fat but working on my ground game. Have no problem approaching them. Im pretty good looking despite that. Its certainly fun and something to look forward to. Even if it goes nowhere, its just nice to talk to pretty girls.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Bruh I swear its always the social autism and overthinking that kills. Its okay I suffered fom the same thing, but YOU have to talk to them. Yes, its very uncomfortable if you're not used to it, but thats even more of a reason to do it. "What do I talk about?" It depends on the social setting but it can be literally anything. Ask a question, make an observation. Keep an open and curious mind. Just try and flow. Its difficult trying to explain it over text, its one of those things you just know instinctively.

        By your own description you sound like a decently handsome guy so its in your best intrest to drop all redpill, blackpill, -cel, -max, whatever bullshit thats spewed on IST. You're probably in the corner thinking, "Damn Im a gymcel who's trying to statmax but then chad walks in. I cant talk to this girl. Whatever shes a whore anyways. Blackpilled again." You're shooting yourself in the foot

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >pic related btw
          My precious doggy. Good conversation starter and has gotten me laid before. No cap fr fr

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            that dog be looking fire ong

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Dont overthink. Fuck the friendzone shit. Just be friends to girls first. Ugly or pretty just talk to them for practice

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    dude on the right, shoulders rolled too far back, creating a dysmorphic looking body.

    Truly being posture-bullied and that's it

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    height and shoulders are the only measurements that matter.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sounds like you need to work on (you). Learn how to talk to girls. Learn how to not be a ball of nerves when confronted by a beautiful woman.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Haha bro just be confident it worked for me!

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Haha bro just post body and prove you're not full of shit. Incelposting should always have a timestamped body photo.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Me on the right. Full of confidence (notice I have a S/O, Reddit!!!).

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yup no picture, you're fat and ugly, as I figured. There's a distinct lack of pictures of incels that have muscles and 12% body fat.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Turns out that incels are right that only looks matter what a surprise

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I have a S/O
          On reddit they're called 'Partners'.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You aren't in top 20% of men, you aren't even in the pool because you put zero effort into having any kind of social relationship with women. Stop approaching women with the end goal of fucking them and actually practice talking to them.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >just talk to them
      I see this bullshit all the time here and in /adv/
      I’ve talked about how I horseback ride, many times and am surrounded by women that I can just talk to casually. This advice is fucking bullshit.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Are you letting them talk back? Some forms of talking are called questions. If you are just going on about yourself, hows she ever going to contribute?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Real tired of typing this out again and again, but of course. I’m not a social retard.
          Everyone thinks I’m very extroverted, and flirty. I’m literally just friendly though, joke around, talk to and listen just like I do with any other fucking regular person. They say it’s “not a bad thing, just my personality” but I think that’s fucking bullshit, because outside of the barn they want nothing to do with me. Can’t even do something casual, platonic. I’m pretty sure they think I’m trying to fuck them all because “I’m flirty.”

          To emphasize, I think they’re all out of my league. So I have no expectations whatsoever. I’m not trying to get with them. I can’t even fucking friendzone myself, they want nothing to do with me.

          It all comes down to looks/attraction. I’m sick of you gays saying “just talk to them.” It’s bullshit

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why do you keep repeating yourself? You are in the pit of despair, not us. Read first post.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              based gaslighter

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Hard to say with out seeing you in action. Perhaps you are a douche with out even knowing it? Perhaps you are just ugly. When you talk to these girls, are you enjoying yourself?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              I am enjoying myself. I’m very sociable, I’m not like these other gays here that have a panic attack or get exhausted being around people.
              And yes, I think I’m just ugly/unattractive. That is the point I am trying to make. You can talk to them all you want, without the intention of just trying to fuck them, it doesn’t matter. It’s literally all about looks, even when it comes down to just being friends.

              >I’m not trying to get with them.
              "I don't make any attempt to get with girls. Why can't I get a girl?"

              This is in response to someone saying to “talk to them without the intention of fucking them.” Maybe read the context

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                post body + face

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                What he said, post face and body.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                post body + face

                I’m not good looking, why the fuck would I have/keep pictures of myself?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I’m not trying to get with them.
            "I don't make any attempt to get with girls. Why can't I get a girl?"

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >can draw
    Show me

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >5'9"
    >top 20%
    lol, lmao even

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm a little taller at 5'10
    Athletic but abs aren't really visible anymore unless I tense.
    Have a CS degree and job
    Multiple skills and hobbies
    Get girls.

    I have been out with about 30 girls this year. Not a flex I use a dating app. Clearly the girls like my build and the issue is my personality. You could be the same. Good luck Anon if I knew more I'd tell you but honestly just keep trying and eventually you get better at it.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >listing hobbies
    Dont do that shit for women
    When you are passionate about whatever you do women will gravitate toward you

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Swap the cards it'll be funnier
    Give chad a blue eyes white dragon

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >can draw
    Post work

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You're autistic.
    Until you are able to mask it, you will remain alone.
    Have a wonderful morning and thank you for reading my comment

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Austrian ginger detected
    >yes, AGAIN
    Many such cases.

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    a valuable degree
    >>can cook
    >>can draw
    >>read books

    >expects girls to read his mind and know all these while he just stands next to them speechless

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They don't even have the same physique, you can tell the right guy is skinny fat with high estrogen. Guy on the left obviously hasn't been skipping steak day. Guy on the right is tall and has a good enough face, there's no reason why he can't get a QT3.14. Must be something wrong in incels brains is what I think. Ugly brain syndrome.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >>5'9", 175lbs
    This is 50th percentile at best, and that's being generous
    physique with visible abs
    about appearance with skin-care, grooming, haircut etc.
    a valuable degree
    literally means nothing until you graduate and you use it to actually make money, also could be going to a clown college
    >>can cook
    >>can draw
    no one cares about this? unless you are going for art hoes
    >>read books
    undesirable to girls

    You're gonna be a 6/10. Accept it and aim lower or play the long game, establishing a career and social status

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bro you need to go outside lol

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Getting a valuable degree still means you're a broke student with no job you loser. Nobody cares about what you might do in the future.

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >25
    >5’9, 150
    >don’t even lift just rock climb and hike
    >dirty half the time, wear overalls and shit in public
    >think reading all the time is for fags, who has time for that
    >make like 60k doing forestry
    >student debt out the ass
    >married to the love of my life tomboy who’s about to crap out my third son
    >was in fraternity in college and fucked about 30 chicks before meeting her there (sorority)
    no you need to be outside the bottom 1%

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just become a woman since you are already a whiny bitch

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Even Chad has dry streaks. That's the reality of being a man in the West. You should book a flight to Bangkok or Tijuana and just spend a week balls deep in some hookers, so you get over it.

    >inb4 garden gnome on a stick

    Basically every European aristocrat you read a book about from 0AD to 1900AD lost it to a prostitute and got over it.

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    As a guy that’s actually top 20%, both in looks and in money, you sure as shit aren’t OP kek. If that’s you in the pic you’ve got soiboi genetics, and you think a cute degree (which merely shows that you’re an obedient slave) cooking, drawing and reading are even remotely valuable (especially to women). You clearly don’t even know what is attractive to women nor do you have any real interesting thing about you since the only things you listed were lame as shit (aka you’re boring). Odds are you’re socially awkward and come off as a weak bitch (especially with those gay ass hobbies) you legit sound like a stereotypical male feminist. Solution: grow a pair of balls, learn what women actually want, and grow up.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      OP's hobbies and interests would pick up girls playing pick-up group D&D. But he's probably too big of a social retard to even play MTG with strangers.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yea if he’s into ugly bitches, but hey if he can’t even get one might as well keep his standards low

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Incels who only want to fuck 8/10s are funny.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Facts

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            this is true. incels posts objective stats like

            >Girls are less shallow then men
            incel tier cope

            [...]
            copium overdose

            but we all know you won't settle for less than a stacy.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              What's annoying is there is bots on dating apps for men and women so we don't even know if those men are all real. But regardless, men do the shotgun approach. While I don't swipe on uggos with tattoos I've fucked some overweight women in my life. Dating is a skill and incels that never go on dates simply don't have the social skills to handle a Stacy even if through Make a Wish they got a blind date with one. If you only swipe on Stacey's on dating apps the fact is you're never going to match because there's 1000 men that also swiped on them.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Under-40, not-fat disqualifies 90% of women in America.

            Is this what you mean by 8/10?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Incels aren't even 5s so yes, I mean incels should be dating fat women.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I think, quite reasonably, a lot of guys would rather jerk off than jump through hoops for the vaguely bitchy, obese woman that is the average American woman.

                What they are left to settle with isn't really worth settling for. Having a maid come by every 2-4 weeks and going to escorts for sex would be a better deal for most guys in America, and probably cost less money than a girlfriend.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Stop complaining about being an incel then, stop complaining about how women won't date you.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not. I have sex, even a few ONS notches on the belt.

                I just think that for statistical reasons, "not fat and nice to you" is something unachievable for most American men.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                100% this. Incels think they’re worth more than they really are. If you’re such a pathetic fuck that you can’t even get a 3/10 (or lower) chick in a society that encourages women to be sluts, you are a 3/10 (or lower) yourself. They think that all they need to do is look decent and have a good personality. That’s all a woman needs to do. A man has a long list of shit they need to do to be attractive

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >A man has a long list of shit they need to do to be attractive
                What's the list?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >look decent
                >not be a coward
                is probably all it takes to get laid in a club for most guys. Might take a few attempts but once you've got it it's just a matter of muscle memory

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Incels think they’re worth more than they really are
                i think this true moreso for women. incels are usually looksmaxxers/gymcels

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Funny because I don't see any body pics in this thread from the incels

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          And there it is. Guys who are not cool, not fun, not good looking, etc, only wanting hot girls. We've been led to believe this is "hypergamy" and pure evil when girls do it, but when guys do it it's ok because...?
          If you're trash, you get trash. Git gud if you don't like it, otherwise stay in your lane.

          Incels who only want to fuck 8/10s are funny.

          Funny, and sad. They'll never say it openly at first but it always come out with a bit of prodding.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      In America, it's basically impossible -statistically- for him to date a girl that's a normal weight.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        No it’s not. Cope

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          39% of 20-39 American women are obese. ~25% are merely overweight. If the ratio holds true ~10% are severely obese.

          Only about a quarter of American women manage "not fat." It is statistically unlikely for a man -even a "not fat" one- to get a "not fat" girl in the US, especially when they have infinite choice, and their revealed preferences are such that they would rather a side-piece to the top 5-10% of guys than date a guy at their level of attractiveness.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Incels need to accept that women in their league are fat. Let's stop pretending incelposters aren't greasy fat lardballs with obnoxious personalities.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Women like

              [...]

              unironically have bigger egos than skinny ones

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                ???
                Don't match women with egos? You think her dating profile isn't obvious that's she's obnoxious?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            These percentages are across age, race, geographic location etc.. Obese% trends up in the Southeast and Midwest, for older people, for black people and to a lesser extent Latinos. For example the girls in and around my gym (most are white or Asian in their 20s) are 90% sub-25 BMI.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Yes, and statistically they are 8-9/10s, and their Hinge or Tinder profile reflects it.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Maybe in India they are 8/10s but here they are painfully average white girls. There are a few cuties in the mix but they're not at all the norm.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                <30, white or asian (if you value these), and not fat puts them in the 80th percentile of attractiveness for American women - I think that's a fair definition for an 8/10. Most women are so fat that they are as sexually invisible to you as incels are to them.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Kek I'm a chubby chaser funny enough. 25-30 BMI is my sweet spot although I think anywhere between 20 and 35 is alright. But of course there's good looking fatties and bad looking fatties. When you know you know.

                All of this is to say - if you select the entire population of the world including old women, the disabled, foreign women who look bad because their country doesn't have food or because they actually have to manually labor for a living, then maybe yes. But if instead I say that a 5/10 is the center of the bell curve of all single women my age that I can interact with, I would say that they are 5/10. It's not even in a far off country lmao, the whole Pacific Northwest is like this

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I've been using the CDC's stats for <40.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                And I'm telling you what I see with my own two eyes. It gets repeated so often it's become a meme but you should really go outside

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's actually worse when I go outside because I live in Texas, especially when I venture outside of high-end retail and bars that serve $8 beer.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Everything's bigger in Texas
                >Surprised that this also applies to the women

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Texas is an improvement from where I grew up, which was in Mississippi. Outside of where rich people congregate, obesity is endemic - which is simply normal in America. The dynamic was the same when I worked in DC. The consultants and lawyers were thin and trim; the GS-7s were flabby and gross.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >30, white or asian (if you value these), and not fat puts them in the 80th percentile of attractiveness for American women
                no it doesn't, incel. that's the default to be in the gene pool. i don't care if 80% of people are hambeasts they do not defined statistical attractiveness. you're only counted when you're a healthy person

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      moron women want looks and height

      now tf would he gain any of those as the fag on the right?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Tell me you’re an incel that gets no bitches without saying it

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    So much incel cope and seethe in this thread

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >talking to anyone if your free time
    why
    why would anyone want this
    im tired and i want to be alone

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Don't complain about not having sex then

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    When "incel" types say "girls" they literally mean all women in general. When guys who pull say "girls" they're really just talking about the small subset of women that they've figured out they like and that likes them back because of compatibility. This miscommunication is at the root of all messy "incel talks to Chad and gets frustrated" discussion.

    Incels do not get what they want because they do not know what they want, so they can't aim at it. The vague idea that you want a warm body to be nice to you and give sex is not enough to work with. Every contact becomes a rejection or a bad date because you have no selection criteria to ground a genuine human interaction in, and every rejection or bad date becomes a crushing defeat because you can never say, "We didn't click, *I* didn't like *her*".

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Too big-brained for IST, but good post.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      idk what you're talking about pal. i fuck all types of women. young, milfs, normies, alt hoes. i just roid and have a nice face. seem like most guys that pull from social media don't give a fuck about your incel personality copes

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >post addressing incels
        >bro I fuck all kinds of women I don't know what you're talking about
        Than he's not talking to you you fucking retard. Incels like to throw "gaslighting" around at good advice they don't want to hear but I think posts like these are the real gaslighting posts.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          sounds like cope to me famallam

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        "Women who just want a roll in the hay with a roider" is a subset in itself, even if it can span several different alternative subsets. There's ALWAYS a definable type being pursued if you're pursuing successfully, even if you're pursuing it intuitively/behaviorally rather than consciously.

        I've also been there and done that. I've been the tall jock who felt like he was pulling all different types of hoes that incels seethe about. In hindsight I realized I really was aiming at a definable type for a specific thing the whole time - hoes who want to get ploughed by a rugbybrah - and that it worked because I basically was running a system for zeroing in on that set and acting accordingly to seal the deal. In hindsight I also realized just how many hoes it also didn't work with at all, and it just never really registered because I knew what game I was playing and moved the fuck on to the next one when it was a miss.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          when the set spans 80% of all women your point gets lost

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nobody bats a .800 average.

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    test

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >skinny boy mode
    >cute girls like me

    >get fit
    >cute girls are scared of me and fat slobbos won't leave me alone

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    just hire an escort bro its that easy

  33. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This pic is so stupid. The guy on the right looks like he never did any exercise in his life with is woman-like shoulders. You can't blame everything on your genes.
    Personally I ignore women cuz the majority of them are next to worthless as human beings. Once I meet a cute hetero tomboy I will makes sure she likes me.

  34. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wow a demoralization thread! I guess all the fucking I did when I used to be crazy overweight is just a fantasy? Yes I was making $15/hr, 5’9 and weighed about 250 pounds and I still could get with 6/10 girls. Please accuse me of gaslighting

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      When I was 5'1 and Indian, I had sexo every day.
      Then, I took a shower, but the water was a bit too hot.
      Now, I'm 6'2, Caucasian, but I don't have confidence, so my virginity grew back.
      Please don't use this as an objective fact, it's just my personal experience.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >shit was cash
      right

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      this is true. i have an obese 5'3" indian roomate with a recessed jaw that pulls almost every night

  35. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You fundamentally misunderstand what it means to play the cards you're dealt. Not everyone can be a winner. Some people are born more disadvantaged than others and that's just life. The point is you can somewhat bridge the gap in various aspects by working out, studying, practicing social skills etc, but if the genetically gifted people are doing that to then they will still end up ahead. There is no point crying about it. All we can do is do the best we can. I will always end up ahead of you but you can still do your best.

  36. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't some men are so obsessed with woman. Guess I have a screw loose, and no I don't want to fuck guys.

  37. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Jannies are asleep, this LULZ thread has made it to nearly 200 replies and it hasn't been moved off IST yet

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Keep whining incel

  38. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    OP here. After reading through the thread I am even more demoralized. I just recently started University (computer engineering) and it will take me until ~27 to graduate and even longer to make good money.
    Does that mean I will be lonely and without a girlfriend all these years? I don't know if I can take that. The top guys around me are all dating and enjoying life while I have to grind and grind and grind while enduring loneliness all the time?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Uh...you know that guys can and do date WHILE they're in school? Or before they've already made all their money?
      I mean, of course you do, because you actually compare yourself to these same guys IN this post. Face it: you are mentally ill.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        If you're an engineer, school is basically the last time you will be around thin, 20-something year old women. So don't squander it.

        Most do, which is why stereotypes about Engineering grads as incels abound.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Required generals and electives dummy.
          >going to school for CS
          >lmao wasting $50k when you can learn for free online

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes. Most engineering grads don't have good sex lives, though the University tries to make them interact with normal girls through general ed classes.

            >can learn for free online
            You must be a bootcamper with a chip on your shoulder, but I wasn't specifically referring to CS grads. Saying that EE, Mech E, and the dudebro (of Engineering) Civil E guys struggle with love and dating isn't some new revelation.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Engineering grads don't have good sex lives because they're avoid social activities like the plague and their dress/hygiene matches this attitude. If you're at all put together you basically stand out even with the 10:1 ratio. But regardless, take electives that aren't male dominated and you're going to meet girls.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >take electives that aren't male dominated and you're going to meet girls
                How does this even work? I could do a course in art history which is 80% girls but the lecture will be once per week for maybe 2h while all the girls there study full-time. Meanwhile I have to leave because I have to study for computer science.
                How does a simple lecture give me a chance to make long-lasting contacts with girls if they are studying something completely different, are probably in groups and looking for peers (girls) who study the same shit as them? I will basically be an invisible object sitting in the lecture.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I've graduated. I've gotten laid. I just have a large degree of empathy for the difficulties of my peers. In retrospect, I wish I'd partied more and locked down a cute girl, because post-college dating sucks.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Those guys are 8+/10 males though I’m only a 7.2 on a good day

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I’m only a 7.2
          Jesus, what kind of autism is this? You can't even round down to a 7?
          You like to have it both ways, Austrian ginger. You open this thread up by claiming you're in the top 20% of guys while also getting mogged by the top 20% of guys. You also claim you are fit on one hand while on the other saying you will need 5 more years to get fit in other threads.
          You have cognitive dissonance. You are mentally ill, at best. At worst you're here to demoralize.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I dated several women while in college. Not fucking hard. Can you believe they actually PUT YOU in group projects with WOMEN!? So they HAVE to talk to you? Did you know women will sit next to you in class and you can BANTER with them?

      Oh that's right, you're a fat shy boy.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Can you believe they actually PUT YOU in group projects with WOMEN!?
        I never had a single group project with a woman the entire time I was in college.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I had group projects in nearly every class. It's the same as it was for high school. Do incels even live on this planet with me?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >2 English courses
            Never had a group project
            >6(I think) math courses
            Never had a group project
            >Argumentation and Debate
            Had one group project with all men
            >Intro to Psych, Intro to Sociology
            Never had a group project
            >Two semesters of chemistry
            Never had a group project, my assigned lab partners for both semesters were men
            >All the various CS classes I took
            Plenty of group projects but every single one was all men just by nature of the fact that all those classes were 95% men

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah because you kept picking classes for men.
              >Intro to Psych, Intro to Sociology
              >doubt.png

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I "picked" the classes I was required to take for my CS degree. Or do you suggest I had based my entire career and life around getting a degree where I had more chances of talking to women?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Or do you suggest I had based my entire career and life around getting a degree where I had more chances of talking to women?
                Yeah it seems to me you have actively chosen to not do anything that might get you near women.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              As a young, (supposedly) fit guy in college you shouldn't be relying on group projects to talk to any women. Your classes could be literally 100% men and that wouldn't fucking matter if you were actually talking to girls in your own time. Go to a fucking party or a bar or a home game. Don't tell me you have no one to go with either because that means you don't even have guy friends either. If you don't talk to girls AND don't talk to guys it seems like you're actively hiding from the world. The world isn't gonna just come up to you.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                What are you meant to do post-college? Join a non-faggy boxing club or some other sports thing in a decent sized city?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Can you believe they actually PUT YOU in group projects with WOMEN!? So they HAVE to talk to you? Did you know women will sit next to you in class and you can BANTER with them?
        I go to a technical University for computer engineering and there are 20 girls for 400 guys in my classes so far.
        >inb4 join clubs
        Only clubs and societies here on my campus are hackathon teams, robotics clubs and a game dev team. They are all male.
        I am in hell. I will die as a kissless virgin. Last time I talked to a girl my age was more than 4 years ago in high-school.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >20 girls for 400 guys
          Yeah and 95% of those guys are greasy and fat. Have you tried being IST and social?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >95% of those guys are greasy and fat
            nta but im in computer science and the gender ratio is the same and most guys are normies. idk why anons have started parroting this misandrist notion that most men are hideous creatures when they usually put more effort into their looks than women do

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Yeah and 95% of those guys are greasy and fat
            Lmao I am in computer science in Germany and most guys are normal to even attractive, thin to IST. The greasy fat anime t shirt wearing hiding nerd is the tiny minority here. CS is where the money is and normies as well as chads love money.

  39. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just want a non fat women to have sex with TO MUCH ASK? It should be against the law for women to be fat

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Just drop $700 on a high-end escort, and you'd save money vs going out a bunch.

  40. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing matters if you don't have a personality or social circle. Without this you are fucked. You need to start cold approaching more often and learn how to talk to woman. You might sound like an autist at first, but you'll soon learn that woman are one dimensional and have the same rsponse mechanisms. Once you figure this out, you'll be the one choosing.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      American cities aren't conducive to this. If you want to try, you'd be better off if you could work remote in London, Berlin, Warsaw, or something - places that actually have qts out and about.

  41. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    you have to suffer

  42. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Stop being so desperate OP. Just do what you enjoy, go out with friends or alone and find a FUCKING HOBBY if you don't have one.

  43. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Totally correct OP image. These are the confirmed faces of /soc/ and /qst/ that have confessed to being ISTfags and they can never amount to Chaddom (excluding 2) due to their shit genetics

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I used to be a virgin until 27 (!) years of age. I was in somewhat-decent shape but still a DYEL by IST standards. I'm also not ugly but nowhere close to a pretty face. Maybe a bit better than 3 from this picture
      Then I grew sick of it and, not joke, just imagined myself as a chad dom. I literally convinced myself that girls should want to suck my dick, then I met with them and behaved according to this assumption, and then they happily did.
      It's fucking wild but it works.

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