>5'9", 175lbs
>IST physique with visible abs
>caring about appearance with skin-care, grooming, haircut etc.
>getting a valuable degree
>can cook
>can draw
>read books
>still undesirable to girls
According to IST I am in the top 20% of men easily which should help me land a girlfriend and yet I am completely invisible to them with no success whatsover. Do I need to be in the top 1% or what?
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Women smell desperation. That's why every incel is stuck in a loop. They don't lose the desperation aspect.
>just talk to women
>they’re just regular people
>oh but they also have a sixth sense for [word of the day] so that’s why you’re single
miss me with your simping apologist shit
Once you accept yourself, everyone will be forced to accept you, young Padawan.
Regular people also have this sense too…
>common sense and simple observational skills are a sixth sense
You homosexuals put out these needy insecure vibes that can be seen from a mile away. You have so little self-awareness that you're the only ones who *can't* see it.
I can just picture OP at a party nervously darting his eyes around while standing in the corner, wondering why no girls are fluttering their eyelashes at him like in his animes.
>sixth sense
I guess I have it too cause I'm pretty sure I'd be able to tell you're a desperate incel IRL bro
Did you think millions of yours of evolution for our species didn't create a way to tell how a person feels by how they move, talk, act, carry themselves?
*years
she loses smell if its chad tho, must be corona
how do I lose the desperation aspect
I try to not care but it is how it is
Fake it until you make it. You do your utter best to pretend like you don't care until you actually don't care. When I was young it was extremely hard for me not to be an instant texter / attention machine. Now that I've been around the block I don't fricking care and if a girl wants me they're going to need to put some effort in.
Answer me Why you are desperate In the first place
because I have been lonely and a virgin for 22 years (not op but same age)
Okay. The fact you're a virgin isn't the cause if desperation, there are religious Chad virgins who save themselves for marriage, this doesn't cause desperation. So you are lonely. You realize you can fix this problem in the short term so you aren't lonely right? Make friends, talk to family, make the effort to stay in touch with people. Do you have friends? Are you telling me if you weren't lonely you wouldn't be desperate?
>22
Black person you are young, you don't need to be desperate until like 30
Being on your own and being a virgin is not a bad thing. You think of it as a deficiency simply by calling it "lonely" already. By your use of language you have pre-emptively qualified yourself as deficient in your own eyes, this is then expressed in your behavior and thought which is easily picked up by others.
you are just young. the older you get the more women will like you.
I am already 22 years old and I think this is a massive cope.
That's the same as a kid saying 'I'm already 8 years old, I'm grown'. No you're not.
wait until you're 32. it's fricking bizarre.
This. I get more pussy at 30 than I got a 20 or 25. From younger girls I would have considered out of my league at their age. It feels weird sometimes because I don't feel I've changed that much.
yo do you got a job? are you broke? you got status?
ok zoomer
I'm 30 and women are way more interested in me now than when I was 22. They were plenty interested in me at 22 as well though. 25 was the tipping point where they started seeing me as more of a man than a boy though.
You are just tall and attractive as well as every other dude who got more attention from women as they got older. I am invisible to women now and I will always be invisible because the only thing age does is make me look uglier.
Guy on the left looks like he has a weird face. Probably a fitcel.
What are you doing to meet and interact with women, OP? Parties? Hobbies? Social occasions?
I have been going to parties and drawing classes but I couldn't talk to the girls there because I am basically invisible which means they don't give me any signals that I can approach them like eye contact, a smile, hair waving, blushing or even trying to talk to ME.
Lmao
Who's gonna tell him guys?
How do you talk to a girl at a party or drawing class then without her giving you any signals? I am afraid that she will call me out for being a creepy rapist. Men are pre-selected by girls and they should be giving out signals to who they like.
Why do incels always speak in absolutes? You are wrong. Also FPBP
>Why do incels always speak in absolutes?
Because female attraction is absolute. Either a girl find you physically attractive then you got a chance or she doesn't then no other qualities can convince her.
Dipshit
It's funny how you can't pull women, but you talk like you know exactly what they want and think. If you truly knew, you'd be able to pull women.
not necessarily. you don't take lifting and diet advice from roiders if you're natty. it's the same here
Pic very related.
Oh? So what is the "roid equivalent" at work here then?
>inb4 genetics
Any fricking excuse with you people, kek.
there's no contradiction here. most men that have sex do so because they are attractive so their advice would not necessarily work on someone less attractive. most women's advice is scientifically proven to be bullshit. i've seen a statistic controlling for stated importance of looks in a relationship and actual importance of looks and baically all women said they don't prioritize looks but looking at the data showed that they did much more than men. while men's stated and actual preference was about the same
I can go to Walmart and see with my eyes ugly men with girlfriends. Incels live in their basements so long they think only top 10% guys have girlfriends and wives.
just because 2 people walk next to each other doesn't make them a couple. only time i've ever seen couples kiss or hold hands it's always been the man mogging the woman by 2-3/10 points in attractiveness. i know it's kind of autistic to look for these things but i can't help it
You're frankly just wrong and you deserve being alone.
you're just gaslighting incels
>No, most men are ugly as frick
t. roastie
You're the one gaslighting, you say you people watch but you happily ignore the people that are clearly in relationships that are ugly. Or am I just going to pretend the balding manlet with three kids at Walmart I saw last Saturday was just their kissless uncle? Haha you fricking joke.
Post body.
>but you happily ignore the people that are clearly in relationships that are ugly
ugly women yes, ugly men not so much
Oh no body picture, full of shit LULZ
>the balding manlet with three kids at Walmart I saw last Saturday was just their kissless uncle
He might just be.
Also how could you tell that theyre his kids?
Post body
What ist the lethal dose of copium again?
I'm a roastie for repeating back YOUR incel mantra to you? Can you even fricking read?
Its nice that no one has ever accused me of being an incel on IST or /adv/. Do I hate hope?
well you think like a woman. how is it incel mantra? you're saying most men are ugly. i disagree because most men self improve and genuinely mog most women. most women just cake up makeup
>men mog women in attractiveness
Bruh you're gay. Like not even "haha you homosexual" gay, I mean you're literally a homosexual.
>youre le gay
incel cope tbh
>Attractiveness is not objective
women seem to statistically disagree
Attractiveness is not objective.
Women's perception change and men's attractiveness change with it.
What was 6/10 three years ago can now barely reach 3/10/
I still have women hit on me despite being overweight. If you are ugly, you need to make up for it with money, status and personality. Looks are not everything and are less important for a man than a women. You just dont want to improve your weaknesses.
>Looks are not everything and are less important for a man than a women
i don't have the statistic in question but there's one that proves that looks are less proportionately important to women in respect to other qualities but over all they are still more important compared to men and are stil lthe number one thing important to both genders
The amount of money you need to woo women with it alone is outside the reach of 95% of people. Status is basically social domination, and requires a good start and years of positive reinforcement.
Looks, now, are the most important thing a man can have, because a plurality of dating takes place online - where looks are what gets you through the door.
It does take place online but there is still a reality out there and you can go join it. Theres work, theres malls, theres clubs, theres gyms.
>malls
I've seen """daygamers""" burn out malls and get asked to leave by security. It only works if you are exceptionally good looking or you live in one of the largest cities. You could get away with this in the Houston Galleria, but not everyone lives in Houston, NYC, or similar megacities. And the majority of social calibration is looking good, but only 20% of guys "look good" to women.
Cold approach is stupid and a waste of time. Only approach warm leads and you'll only have good experiences. You'd simply have a better experience finding a public place with high leisure traffic and chill reading an interesting book.
Yeah you're right when women like you your attractiveness rating goes up. Social game increases your attractiveness rating. Too bad you only post incel content on IST and don't talk to people, let alone women, in real life.
>At work, I do my work then leave
This is actually terrible advice outside of minimum wage jobs and owning your own business. Talking to coworkers, bosses, other departments is how you get to pull favors, learn about other jobs inside and outside the company, get yourself fast tracked for promotion, and in general make your life easy. If your boss likes you he'll think of something nice to say during the performance review.
Yeah incels are anti-social and hate people but want sex because they're porn addicted. Turns out sex is a social activity.
>there's no contradiction here. most men that have sex do so because they are attractive
No, most men are ugly as frick. And that's not even according to me. That's according to YOU fricking morons who love throwing out the "women consider 80% of men le unattractive" at every opportunity. Except the whole incel house of cards comes tumbling down when you realize it's not 80% of men who aren't having sex...
> so their advice would not necessarily work on someone less attractive
Why not? Learning how to actually interact with people is a universal skill. What's really going on here is you're seething you're not good looking enough to just coast on your looks completely. You have zero experience in this arena so it's never even occurred to you that a good looking but boring or awkward dud of a guy will get blown out by a good looking guy who actually also has a personality and can talk to her.
ask yourself this question: why is there no woman incels if it's about personality? how can men spend their whole lives improving their personality and still not be enough while most women have honestly dogshit dopamine fried personalities and have no problems dating? doesn't add up
First of all, there are women incels.
Second of all...men and women are not the same. You guys seem to have a real problem wrapping your brains around this. Men and women don't necessarily prioritize the same things. Maybe you should just date men at this point. You type like a woman and obsess over men's looks, maybe it's time you connect the dots you fricking closet case.
>First of all, there are women incels
stopped reading. you need to get blackpilled asap
>granny fetishists are a thing
Amazing discovery anon, you should get a nobel prize
copium overdose
Turned down by Eggman as well as Granny?
Time to git gud, homosexual.
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Sorry Granny turned you down bruh. Cope and seethe.
Men have lower standards for having sex. Any woman can get sex. If men's gold standard is fricking a hottie, women's gold standard is a Disney fairytale relationship. Femcels can have sex (women can have sex easy), they are incapable of holding a quality man down.
OP, every normal Black person here insulting you, calling you an incel, etc. is just a lying piece of shit that can NEVER understand what it's like to be in your shoes. just look at what one such homosexual says
genuinely brain damaged moron. The truth is that looks are all that matter nowadays. It's face > height > frame. All of this "you're just autistic with no personality" is meaningless when if you have even just one of the above then you suddenly do have personality for women. You're not trying to attract men, right? The fact that you're 5'9 is hurting you OP, im sorry but there's nothing you can do to change that. Since you actually do talk to women all I can say is to keep doing that and maybe you'll strike gold.
Or just go to Asia. Sure, he'll be met with the derision of his peers. But the people criticizing him probably have girlfriends that look like picrel.
Height is more important than face but go off I guess
You walk up to her and talk to her. Introduce yourself and ask her name, if you are at he same party, there is a common interest you can draw upon.
>I am afraid that she will call me out for being a creepy rapist.
This has never happened to you so why are you scared of it?
Not him but it happened to me once pretty badly and it's fricked up my women skills for years since.
How do I get over it?
People in high school joked about how I looked like a school shooter. A woman telling me I seem like a creepy rapist is not at all far-fetched.
>How do you talk to a girl at a party or drawing class then without her giving you any signals?
how do you talk to guys if they dont give you any signals?
if you only talk to women because you want to frick them its already over you antisocial freak
>how do you talk to guys if they dont give you any signals?
I don't, do you? I honestly don't think I've ever started a conversation with another man in my life where there wasn't already at least some kind of acknowledgement from them, whether that be them smiling me, or they laughed at something I did, or whatever.
That kind of acknowledgment never comes from women though.
I'm always surprised to hear this from people. I used to do it way back when I was a kid on the playground despite being an immigrant who spoke next to no English and got bullied in school. Not a flex, just to say I always thought it was a natural instinct of a social animal.
Anyways yeah you can talk to just about anyone who doesn't look too busy.
Girls are less shallow then men. They focus less on the physical and more on the personality. So if you are looking for signs that a girl likes you when you have never even spoken to her, then you will never see them.
>Girls are less shallow then men
Lmao this has to be bait. Girls care a lot more about looks (genetics) than men do. What kills OPs desirability is the fact that he is 5'9" and probably has an ugly face. He could be a millionaire and still never get a girlfriend.
Being ugly is bad but you are dead wrong in looks. Im not saying it doesnt matter, which is why I said, less, Im saying it its not as bad as it is with men. If you read OPs actual post, hes pretty average but hes expecting women to be wetting themselves and giggling as they turn away when he catches them looking at him. Thats his standard before even approaching one.
Without knowing how you look, I can definetly tell you that it is your personality that keeps you from getting laid. You won't find a gf with this mindset
>Girls are less shallow then men
incel tier cope
>Using a dating website as a source
Any girl that uses those websites is a harlot and needs to be shipped to Afghanistan for a year for rehabilitation
>nooo you have to use anecdotes like me!!
yeah i don't think so
Men outnumber women 3:1 on all dating apps. You're too lazy or afraid to irl approach and end up in the sausagefest as a result
that would be true if A) it was any different on social media and B) most women didn't opt for online dating
>most
>3:1
>a minimum of 2/3 of all women are not on dating apps
Keep coping
Because you're probably not as ugly as you think
I have OP's stats and most of his talents and I have no problem pulling girls. He's probably just psyching himself out before he can get anywhere. Even Saint Elliot was a good looking dude, dressed well, but when he opened his mouth you understood why he wasn't getting any.
>I have OP's stats and most of his talents and I have no problem pulling girls. He's probably just psyching himself out before he can get anywhere. Even Saint Elliot was a good looking dude, dressed well, but when he opened his mouth you understood why he wasn't getting any.
Yeah, personality and swagger is everything in college. Half the slayers in my fraternity were the average looking dudes who were social butterflies
>Half the slayers in my fraternity were the average looking dudes who were social butterflies
let me guess they're all "average" i.e. 6-8/10?
Keep coping. Served with a dude in the army that was average as frick and had a different b***h every night. They were also average, but that’s far better results than the incels here
>6-8/10?
nah they were 6s at best
>A) it was any different on social media and
social media isnt real life either, leave your basement
>B) most women didn't opt for online dating
they dont, most people date irl
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40% is not "most"
close enough. the trend is clear
Im still fat but working on my ground game. Have no problem approaching them. Im pretty good looking despite that. Its certainly fun and something to look forward to. Even if it goes nowhere, its just nice to talk to pretty girls.
Bruh I swear its always the social autism and overthinking that kills. Its okay I suffered fom the same thing, but YOU have to talk to them. Yes, its very uncomfortable if you're not used to it, but thats even more of a reason to do it. "What do I talk about?" It depends on the social setting but it can be literally anything. Ask a question, make an observation. Keep an open and curious mind. Just try and flow. Its difficult trying to explain it over text, its one of those things you just know instinctively.
By your own description you sound like a decently handsome guy so its in your best intrest to drop all redpill, blackpill, -cel, -max, whatever bullshit thats spewed on IST. You're probably in the corner thinking, "Damn Im a gymcel who's trying to statmax but then chad walks in. I cant talk to this girl. Whatever shes a prostitute anyways. Blackpilled again." You're shooting yourself in the foot
>pic related btw
My precious doggy. Good conversation starter and has gotten me laid before. No cap fr fr
that dog be looking fire ong
Dont overthink. Frick the friendzone shit. Just be friends to girls first. Ugly or pretty just talk to them for practice
dude on the right, shoulders rolled too far back, creating a dysmorphic looking body.
Truly being posture-bullied and that's it
height and shoulders are the only measurements that matter.
Sounds like you need to work on (you). Learn how to talk to girls. Learn how to not be a ball of nerves when confronted by a beautiful woman.
Haha bro just be confident it worked for me!
Haha bro just post body and prove you're not full of shit. Incelposting should always have a timestamped body photo.
Me on the right. Full of confidence (notice I have a S/O, Reddit!!!).
Yup no picture, you're fat and ugly, as I figured. There's a distinct lack of pictures of incels that have muscles and 12% body fat.
Turns out that incels are right that only looks matter what a surprise
>I have a S/O
On reddit they're called 'Partners'.
You aren't in top 20% of men, you aren't even in the pool because you put zero effort into having any kind of social relationship with women. Stop approaching women with the end goal of fricking them and actually practice talking to them.
>just talk to them
I see this bullshit all the time here and in /adv/
I’ve talked about how I horseback ride, many times and am surrounded by women that I can just talk to casually. This advice is fricking bullshit.
Are you letting them talk back? Some forms of talking are called questions. If you are just going on about yourself, hows she ever going to contribute?
Real tired of typing this out again and again, but of course. I’m not a social moron.
Everyone thinks I’m very extroverted, and flirty. I’m literally just friendly though, joke around, talk to and listen just like I do with any other fricking regular person. They say it’s “not a bad thing, just my personality” but I think that’s fricking bullshit, because outside of the barn they want nothing to do with me. Can’t even do something casual, platonic. I’m pretty sure they think I’m trying to frick them all because “I’m flirty.”
To emphasize, I think they’re all out of my league. So I have no expectations whatsoever. I’m not trying to get with them. I can’t even fricking friendzone myself, they want nothing to do with me.
It all comes down to looks/attraction. I’m sick of you homosexuals saying “just talk to them.” It’s bullshit
Why do you keep repeating yourself? You are in the pit of despair, not us. Read first post.
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Hard to say with out seeing you in action. Perhaps you are a douche with out even knowing it? Perhaps you are just ugly. When you talk to these girls, are you enjoying yourself?
I am enjoying myself. I’m very sociable, I’m not like these other homosexuals here that have a panic attack or get exhausted being around people.
And yes, I think I’m just ugly/unattractive. That is the point I am trying to make. You can talk to them all you want, without the intention of just trying to frick them, it doesn’t matter. It’s literally all about looks, even when it comes down to just being friends.
This is in response to someone saying to “talk to them without the intention of fricking them.” Maybe read the context
post body + face
What he said, post face and body.
I’m not good looking, why the frick would I have/keep pictures of myself?
>I’m not trying to get with them.
"I don't make any attempt to get with girls. Why can't I get a girl?"
>can draw
Show me
>5'9"
>top 20%
lol, lmao even
I'm a little taller at 5'10
Athletic but abs aren't really visible anymore unless I tense.
Have a CS degree and job
Multiple skills and hobbies
Get girls.
I have been out with about 30 girls this year. Not a flex I use a dating app. Clearly the girls like my build and the issue is my personality. You could be the same. good luck Anon if I knew more I'd tell you but honestly just keep trying and eventually you get better at it.
>listing hobbies
Dont do that shit for women
When you are passionate about whatever you do women will gravitate toward you
Swap the cards it'll be funnier
Give chad a blue eyes white dragon
>can draw
Post work
You're autistic.
Until you are able to mask it, you will remain alone.
Have a wonderful morning and thank you for reading my comment
>Austrian ginger detected
>yes, AGAIN
Many such cases.
a valuable degree
>>can cook
>>can draw
>>read books
>expects girls to read his mind and know all these while he just stands next to them speechless
They don't even have the same physique, you can tell the right guy is skinny fat with high estrogen. Guy on the left obviously hasn't been skipping steak day. Guy on the right is tall and has a good enough face, there's no reason why he can't get a QT3.14. Must be something wrong in incels brains is what I think. Ugly brain syndrome.
>>5'9", 175lbs
This is 50th percentile at best, and that's being generous
physique with visible abs
about appearance with skin-care, grooming, haircut etc.
a valuable degree
literally means nothing until you graduate and you use it to actually make money, also could be going to a clown college
>>can cook
>>can draw
no one cares about this? unless you are going for art hoes
>>read books
undesirable to girls
You're gonna be a 6/10. Accept it and aim lower or play the long game, establishing a career and social status
Bro you need to go outside lol
Getting a valuable degree still means you're a broke student with no job you loser. Nobody cares about what you might do in the future.
>25
>5’9, 150
>don’t even lift just rock climb and hike
>dirty half the time, wear overalls and shit in public
>think reading all the time is for gays, who has time for that
>make like 60k doing forestry
>student debt out the ass
>married to the love of my life tomboy who’s about to crap out my third son
>was in fraternity in college and fricked about 30 chicks before meeting her there (sorority)
no you need to be outside the bottom 1%
Just become a woman since you are already a whiny b***h
Even Chad has dry streaks. That's the reality of being a man in the West. You should book a flight to Bangkok or Tijuana and just spend a week balls deep in some hookers, so you get over it.
>inb4 israelite on a stick
Basically every European aristocrat you read a book about from 0AD to 1900AD lost it to a prostitute and got over it.
As a guy that’s actually top 20%, both in looks and in money, you sure as shit aren’t OP kek. If that’s you in the pic you’ve got soiboi genetics, and you think a cute degree (which merely shows that you’re an obedient slave) cooking, drawing and reading are even remotely valuable (especially to women). You clearly don’t even know what is attractive to women nor do you have any real interesting thing about you since the only things you listed were lame as shit (aka you’re boring). Odds are you’re socially awkward and come off as a weak b***h (especially with those gay ass hobbies) you legit sound like a stereotypical male feminist. Solution: grow a pair of balls, learn what women actually want, and grow up.
OP's hobbies and interests would pick up girls playing pick-up group D&D. But he's probably too big of a social moron to even play MTG with strangers.
Yea if he’s into ugly b***hes, but hey if he can’t even get one might as well keep his standards low
Incels who only want to frick 8/10s are funny.
Facts
this is true. incels posts objective stats like
but we all know you won't settle for less than a stacy.
What's annoying is there is bots on dating apps for men and women so we don't even know if those men are all real. But regardless, men do the shotgun approach. While I don't swipe on uggos with tattoos I've fricked some overweight women in my life. Dating is a skill and incels that never go on dates simply don't have the social skills to handle a Stacy even if through Make a Wish they got a blind date with one. If you only swipe on Stacey's on dating apps the fact is you're never going to match because there's 1000 men that also swiped on them.
Under-40, not-fat disqualifies 90% of women in America.
Is this what you mean by 8/10?
Incels aren't even 5s so yes, I mean incels should be dating fat women.
I think, quite reasonably, a lot of guys would rather jerk off than jump through hoops for the vaguely b***hy, obese woman that is the average American woman.
What they are left to settle with isn't really worth settling for. Having a maid come by every 2-4 weeks and going to escorts for sex would be a better deal for most guys in America, and probably cost less money than a girlfriend.
Stop complaining about being an incel then, stop complaining about how women won't date you.
I'm not. I have sex, even a few ONS notches on the belt.
I just think that for statistical reasons, "not fat and nice to you" is something unachievable for most American men.
100% this. Incels think they’re worth more than they really are. If you’re such a pathetic frick that you can’t even get a 3/10 (or lower) chick in a society that encourages women to be bawds, you are a 3/10 (or lower) yourself. They think that all they need to do is look decent and have a good personality. That’s all a woman needs to do. A man has a long list of shit they need to do to be attractive
>A man has a long list of shit they need to do to be attractive
What's the list?
>look decent
>not be a coward
is probably all it takes to get laid in a club for most guys. Might take a few attempts but once you've got it it's just a matter of muscle memory
>Incels think they’re worth more than they really are
i think this true moreso for women. incels are usually looksmaxxers/gymcels
Funny because I don't see any body pics in this thread from the incels
And there it is. Guys who are not cool, not fun, not good looking, etc, only wanting hot girls. We've been led to believe this is "hypergamy" and pure evil when girls do it, but when guys do it it's ok because...?
If you're trash, you get trash. Git gud if you don't like it, otherwise stay in your lane.
Funny, and sad. They'll never say it openly at first but it always come out with a bit of prodding.
In America, it's basically impossible -statistically- for him to date a girl that's a normal weight.
No it’s not. Cope
39% of 20-39 American women are obese. ~25% are merely overweight. If the ratio holds true ~10% are severely obese.
Only about a quarter of American women manage "not fat." It is statistically unlikely for a man -even a "not fat" one- to get a "not fat" girl in the US, especially when they have infinite choice, and their revealed preferences are such that they would rather a side-piece to the top 5-10% of guys than date a guy at their level of attractiveness.
Incels need to accept that women in their league are fat. Let's stop pretending incelposters aren't greasy fat lardballs with obnoxious personalities.
Women like
unironically have bigger egos than skinny ones
???
Don't match women with egos? You think her dating profile isn't obvious that's she's obnoxious?
These percentages are across age, race, geographic location etc.. Obese% trends up in the Southeast and Midwest, for older people, for black people and to a lesser extent Latinos. For example the girls in and around my gym (most are white or Asian in their 20s) are 90% sub-25 BMI.
Yes, and statistically they are 8-9/10s, and their Hinge or Tinder profile reflects it.
Maybe in India they are 8/10s but here they are painfully average white girls. There are a few cuties in the mix but they're not at all the norm.
<30, white or asian (if you value these), and not fat puts them in the 80th percentile of attractiveness for American women - I think that's a fair definition for an 8/10. Most women are so fat that they are as sexually invisible to you as incels are to them.
Kek I'm a chubby chaser funny enough. 25-30 BMI is my sweet spot although I think anywhere between 20 and 35 is alright. But of course there's good looking fatties and bad looking fatties. When you know you know.
All of this is to say - if you select the entire population of the world including old women, the disabled, foreign women who look bad because their country doesn't have food or because they actually have to manually labor for a living, then maybe yes. But if instead I say that a 5/10 is the center of the bell curve of all single women my age that I can interact with, I would say that they are 5/10. It's not even in a far off country lmao, the whole Pacific Northwest is like this
I've been using the CDC's stats for <40.
And I'm telling you what I see with my own two eyes. It gets repeated so often it's become a meme but you should really go outside
It's actually worse when I go outside because I live in Texas, especially when I venture outside of high-end retail and bars that serve $8 beer.
>Everything's bigger in Texas
>Surprised that this also applies to the women
Texas is an improvement from where I grew up, which was in Mississippi. Outside of where rich people congregate, obesity is endemic - which is simply normal in America. The dynamic was the same when I worked in DC. The consultants and lawyers were thin and trim; the GS-7s were flabby and gross.
>30, white or asian (if you value these), and not fat puts them in the 80th percentile of attractiveness for American women
no it doesn't, incel. that's the default to be in the gene pool. i don't care if 80% of people are hambeasts they do not defined statistical attractiveness. you're only counted when you're a healthy person
Black person women want looks and height
now tf would he gain any of those as the gay on the right?
Tell me you’re an incel that gets no b***hes without saying it
So much incel cope and seethe in this thread
>talking to anyone if your free time
why
why would anyone want this
im tired and i want to be alone
Don't complain about not having sex then
When "incel" types say "girls" they literally mean all women in general. When guys who pull say "girls" they're really just talking about the small subset of women that they've figured out they like and that likes them back because of compatibility. This miscommunication is at the root of all messy "incel talks to Chad and gets frustrated" discussion.
Incels do not get what they want because they do not know what they want, so they can't aim at it. The vague idea that you want a warm body to be nice to you and give sex is not enough to work with. Every contact becomes a rejection or a bad date because you have no selection criteria to ground a genuine human interaction in, and every rejection or bad date becomes a crushing defeat because you can never say, "We didn't click, *I* didn't like *her*".
Too big-brained for IST, but good post.
idk what you're talking about pal. i frick all types of women. young, milfs, normies, alt hoes. i just roid and have a nice face. seem like most guys that pull from social media don't give a frick about your incel personality copes
>post addressing incels
>bro I frick all kinds of women I don't know what you're talking about
Than he's not talking to you you fricking moron. Incels like to throw "gaslighting" around at good advice they don't want to hear but I think posts like these are the real gaslighting posts.
sounds like cope to me famallam
"Women who just want a roll in the hay with a roider" is a subset in itself, even if it can span several different alternative subsets. There's ALWAYS a definable type being pursued if you're pursuing successfully, even if you're pursuing it intuitively/behaviorally rather than consciously.
I've also been there and done that. I've been the tall jock who felt like he was pulling all different types of hoes that incels seethe about. In hindsight I realized I really was aiming at a definable type for a specific thing the whole time - hoes who want to get ploughed by a rugbybrah - and that it worked because I basically was running a system for zeroing in on that set and acting accordingly to seal the deal. In hindsight I also realized just how many hoes it also didn't work with at all, and it just never really registered because I knew what game I was playing and moved the frick on to the next one when it was a miss.
when the set spans 80% of all women your point gets lost
Nobody bats a .800 average.
test
>skinny boy mode
>cute girls like me
>get fit
>cute girls are scared of me and fat slobbos won't leave me alone
just hire an escort bro its that easy
This pic is so stupid. The guy on the right looks like he never did any exercise in his life with is woman-like shoulders. You can't blame everything on your genes.
Personally I ignore women cuz the majority of them are next to worthless as human beings. Once I meet a cute hetero tomboy I will makes sure she likes me.
Wow a demoralization thread! I guess all the fricking I did when I used to be crazy overweight is just a fantasy? Yes I was making $15/hr, 5’9 and weighed about 250 pounds and I still could get with 6/10 girls. Please accuse me of gaslighting
When I was 5'1 and Indian, I had sexo every day.
Then, I took a shower, but the water was a bit too hot.
Now, I'm 6'2, Caucasian, but I don't have confidence, so my virginity grew back.
Please don't use this as an objective fact, it's just my personal experience.
>shit was cash
right
this is true. i have an obese 5'3" indian roomate with a recessed jaw that pulls almost every night
You fundamentally misunderstand what it means to play the cards you're dealt. Not everyone can be a winner. Some people are born more disadvantaged than others and that's just life. The point is you can somewhat bridge the gap in various aspects by working out, studying, practicing social skills etc, but if the genetically gifted people are doing that to then they will still end up ahead. There is no point crying about it. All we can do is do the best we can. I will always end up ahead of you but you can still do your best.
I don't some men are so obsessed with woman. Guess I have a screw loose, and no I don't want to frick guys.
Jannies are asleep, this LULZ thread has made it to nearly 200 replies and it hasn't been moved off IST yet
Keep whining incel
OP here. After reading through the thread I am even more demoralized. I just recently started University (computer engineering) and it will take me until ~27 to graduate and even longer to make good money.
Does that mean I will be lonely and without a girlfriend all these years? I don't know if I can take that. The top guys around me are all dating and enjoying life while I have to grind and grind and grind while enduring loneliness all the time?
Uh...you know that guys can and do date WHILE they're in school? Or before they've already made all their money?
I mean, of course you do, because you actually compare yourself to these same guys IN this post. Face it: you are mentally ill.
If you're an engineer, school is basically the last time you will be around thin, 20-something year old women. So don't squander it.
Most do, which is why stereotypes about Engineering grads as incels abound.
Required generals and electives dummy.
>going to school for CS
>lmao wasting $50k when you can learn for free online
Yes. Most engineering grads don't have good sex lives, though the University tries to make them interact with normal girls through general ed classes.
>can learn for free online
You must be a bootcamper with a chip on your shoulder, but I wasn't specifically referring to CS grads. Saying that EE, Mech E, and the dudebro (of Engineering) Civil E guys struggle with love and dating isn't some new revelation.
Engineering grads don't have good sex lives because they're avoid social activities like the plague and their dress/hygiene matches this attitude. If you're at all put together you basically stand out even with the 10:1 ratio. But regardless, take electives that aren't male dominated and you're going to meet girls.
>take electives that aren't male dominated and you're going to meet girls
How does this even work? I could do a course in art history which is 80% girls but the lecture will be once per week for maybe 2h while all the girls there study full-time. Meanwhile I have to leave because I have to study for computer science.
How does a simple lecture give me a chance to make long-lasting contacts with girls if they are studying something completely different, are probably in groups and looking for peers (girls) who study the same shit as them? I will basically be an invisible object sitting in the lecture.
I've graduated. I've gotten laid. I just have a large degree of empathy for the difficulties of my peers. In retrospect, I wish I'd partied more and locked down a cute girl, because post-college dating sucks.
Those guys are 8+/10 males though I’m only a 7.2 on a good day
>I’m only a 7.2
Jesus, what kind of autism is this? You can't even round down to a 7?
You like to have it both ways, Austrian ginger. You open this thread up by claiming you're in the top 20% of guys while also getting mogged by the top 20% of guys. You also claim you are fit on one hand while on the other saying you will need 5 more years to get fit in other threads.
You have cognitive dissonance. You are mentally ill, at best. At worst you're here to demoralize.
I dated several women while in college. Not fricking hard. Can you believe they actually PUT YOU in group projects with WOMEN!? So they HAVE to talk to you? Did you know women will sit next to you in class and you can BANTER with them?
Oh that's right, you're a fat shy boy.
>Can you believe they actually PUT YOU in group projects with WOMEN!?
I never had a single group project with a woman the entire time I was in college.
I had group projects in nearly every class. It's the same as it was for high school. Do incels even live on this planet with me?
>2 English courses
Never had a group project
>6(I think) math courses
Never had a group project
>Argumentation and Debate
Had one group project with all men
>Intro to Psych, Intro to Sociology
Never had a group project
>Two semesters of chemistry
Never had a group project, my assigned lab partners for both semesters were men
>All the various CS classes I took
Plenty of group projects but every single one was all men just by nature of the fact that all those classes were 95% men
Yeah because you kept picking classes for men.
>Intro to Psych, Intro to Sociology
>doubt.png
I "picked" the classes I was required to take for my CS degree. Or do you suggest I had based my entire career and life around getting a degree where I had more chances of talking to women?
>Or do you suggest I had based my entire career and life around getting a degree where I had more chances of talking to women?
Yeah it seems to me you have actively chosen to not do anything that might get you near women.
As a young, (supposedly) fit guy in college you shouldn't be relying on group projects to talk to any women. Your classes could be literally 100% men and that wouldn't fricking matter if you were actually talking to girls in your own time. Go to a fricking party or a bar or a home game. Don't tell me you have no one to go with either because that means you don't even have guy friends either. If you don't talk to girls AND don't talk to guys it seems like you're actively hiding from the world. The world isn't gonna just come up to you.
What are you meant to do post-college? Join a non-homosexual boxing club or some other sports thing in a decent sized city?
>Can you believe they actually PUT YOU in group projects with WOMEN!? So they HAVE to talk to you? Did you know women will sit next to you in class and you can BANTER with them?
I go to a technical University for computer engineering and there are 20 girls for 400 guys in my classes so far.
>inb4 join clubs
Only clubs and societies here on my campus are hackathon teams, robotics clubs and a game dev team. They are all male.
I am in hell. I will die as a kissless virgin. Last time I talked to a girl my age was more than 4 years ago in high-school.
>20 girls for 400 guys
Yeah and 95% of those guys are greasy and fat. Have you tried being IST and social?
>95% of those guys are greasy and fat
nta but im in computer science and the gender ratio is the same and most guys are normies. idk why anons have started parroting this misandrist notion that most men are hideous creatures when they usually put more effort into their looks than women do
>Yeah and 95% of those guys are greasy and fat
Lmao I am in computer science in Germany and most guys are normal to even attractive, thin to IST. The greasy fat anime t shirt wearing hiding nerd is the tiny minority here. CS is where the money is and normies as well as chads love money.
Just want a non fat women to have sex with TO MUCH ASK? It should be against the law for women to be fat
Just drop $700 on a high-end escort, and you'd save money vs going out a bunch.
Nothing matters if you don't have a personality or social circle. Without this you are fricked. You need to start cold approaching more often and learn how to talk to woman. You might sound like an autist at first, but you'll soon learn that woman are one dimensional and have the same rsponse mechanisms. Once you figure this out, you'll be the one choosing.
American cities aren't conducive to this. If you want to try, you'd be better off if you could work remote in London, Berlin, Warsaw, or something - places that actually have qts out and about.
you have to suffer
Stop being so desperate OP. Just do what you enjoy, go out with friends or alone and find a FRICKING HOBBY if you don't have one.
Totally correct OP image. These are the confirmed faces of /soc/ and /qst/ that have confessed to being ISTgays and they can never amount to Chaddom (excluding 2) due to their shit genetics
I used to be a virgin until 27 (!) years of age. I was in somewhat-decent shape but still a DYEL by IST standards. I'm also not ugly but nowhere close to a pretty face. Maybe a bit better than 3 from this picture
Then I grew sick of it and, not joke, just imagined myself as a chad dom. I literally convinced myself that girls should want to suck my dick, then I met with them and behaved according to this assumption, and then they happily did.
It's fricking wild but it works.