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Judo vs Jiujitsu

I don't claim to *know*, I'm summarising what I've heard/read, so no years please. Just correct me where applicable.

Judo is stand-up and ground.

Jiujitsu is ground only.

Judo covers everything Jiujitsu does, but also includes stand up (takedowns and throws).

I want to start training in one, but can't see any reason to chose Jiujitsu over Judo...

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    *no tears please

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Are you referring to Japanese Jiu Jitsu or Brazilian Jiu Jitsu?

    If you are referring to BJJ then it covers stand-up the way Judo covers ground - very little. BJJ is submission wrestling while Judo is about throws and sweeps from a standing position.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Thanks.

      Acknowledging that I know little about grappling, I thought all Jiujitsu arts were quite similar. I was not referring to one over the other, just a general question.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Judo covers ground a lot more than people think. Obviously not nearly as much as bjj, but it's a much more even mix than most bjj gyms, which will start training on the ground 9/10 times if not more. We're probably a 65/35 split standing to ground at my judo gym

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        That all depends on the gym

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Jiujitsu is ground only.
    No they do have stand up. It's just that the sports is full of gays who are to afraid to wrestle and just pull guard like a bitch.
    >Judo covers everything Jiujitsu does, but also includes stand up (takedowns and throws).
    No, there are positions in jj that isn't covered in judo. Judo does not cover nearly as much ground as jj.

    Do whatever you like. Judo is more athletic, jj is more technical. Wrestling absolutely shits on both.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The superficial opinion that I'm getting;

      BJJ, while it can be for genuine enthusiasts, also attracts a lot of label bashers who just want to be able to say "BJJ! BJJ!"

      From a place with no structured grappling (to form an educated opinion), the above would make me gravitate towards Japanese Jiujitsu.

      Anyway! Your other comment, was another thing I was thinking - wrassling or Sambo.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        japanese jiu jitsu is a meme, between wrestling or sambo just pick whichever is more fun. Really thats the best deciding factor unless you want to fight mma at some point in which case either wrestling or just train mma directly. You're correct about BJJ, its the new nerd martial art of choice that people like to say is superior to all else. BJJ itself is fine but the culture of it can be very petty and offputting.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          You don't train any of these. I know that because you can't just "do wrestling" or "do sambo" with a snap of your fingers.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, yes you can by actually going to a class and trying it the fuck out and seeing which you enjoy most. It's really not that complicated and it's how I settled on judo, though freestyle wrestling is admittedly very hard to find a place to train as an adult.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Judo is usually tailored to kids while BJJ is for adults. You don't get to theory craft the best possible style you just pick what your environment allows for. That's why people have to fly to Thailand to train Muay Thai on a professional level.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I have read books from early as 1886 to around 1950 about judo as well newspaper clippings and early footage of “bjj”. Also opening closed guard by Robert Drysdale is very good and is worth a read, all the research I have done he has done as well and put it into words. First thing, there are many types of Japanese Jujutsu, way more than there needs to be. Jigoro Kano went to some of these and took what worked, even the way we train randori with resistance is because he found it to be the best way to learn over all the other schools that didn’t. So judo is essentially a crash course of many styles of Jujutsu. Some things were discovered within the organization of Kodokan Judo like the triangle choke and the kneebar. Most techniques were already used and discovered prior. There is almost no technique outside of maybe three that I can think of that wouldn’t have been used prior to 1930 in judo. Now moving onto the topic of “bjj” it is the same martial art as judo. The Gracie family could not beat the Japanese while standing, so their way of being able to win or draw with them was to focus on newaza, this way everytime they had a draw with a Japanese fighter they would count it as a win since they technically didn’t lose. It is at its core, the brazilian style of judo. The only difference being after judo was converted to an olympic sport it had to be entertaining to watch as a casual person and it had to make money in some way. So more and more things started to get banned over time by the IJF which brings me to the true difference between these two. The rulesets, they go in two different directions, the actual martial art is the same, in fact if you go to a “bjj” gym that trains their stand up often it is closer to kodokan judo than how the Olympics have made it. Pic is from a book on 1905 titled something like judo vs wrestling, in the lines above you can see the wrestler thought that this position would never work.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They honestly do different things.

    If you are looking for safety, I believe BJJ is better, for several reasons.

    BJJ teaches you a lot about avoiding combat. They are predicting that you against a violent person and how you can submit them without much harm (yes you can snap someone's ankle but that is against what you are suposed to do - The idea is mostly to make people give up due to pain, not to fuck them up).
    In most aggressive altercations, you don't want to fuck up the other guy, due to law or just because its not worth it, which makes it perfect for law enforcement and security.

    Judo is insanely more fun in my opinion, the problem is you wont be able to do 80% of your moves to most people because not everyone has a Gi on. A jacket works, but what if a person is just using a tshirt? You can still throw them, but you lose out on a lot.
    That being said, if you Judo throw someone clean on the ground (on pavement), they are out - either passed out, on wheelchair for life, or in severe pain and you can usually follow up with punches/kicks.
    Judo is also a combat sport that you can practice and go to competitions, which is fun. There is a scene for BJJ but its way smaller.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >The idea is mostly to make people give up due to pain
      Hahaha what the fuck are you talking about.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you can find Kodokan Judo, do it. You'll learn the throws, leg grabs, and top-down ground fighting, all of which is more useful that sitting on your ass and hoping the person doesn't stomp your shit in. Most throws can be done without the gi. There's like, 4 or 5 that actually need a gi and even then a jacket is fine. Otherwise though Olympic judo is cucked and at that point just wrestle

  8. 2 months ago
    nutefag

    i am a martial arts gay, i've done all kinds of shit.

    japanese jiu jitsu has absolutely no quality control, i have absolutely smashed a black belt teacher in japanese jujutsu when i was a two stripe white belt. not a joke.

    after words, to be polite, i just got him to instruct me on how to do various techniques, and the irony was, he actually was capable of teaching a very wide variety of techniques with a great degree of accuracy.

    this is reflective of teh two martial arts general sentiments, people who do japanese jujutsu are typically weeaboo gay nerds who want to intellectuallize martial arts and want to think that they are good at fighting because they know the japanese names to like sixty different maneuvers.

    where as bjj people actually want to (atleast much more so) be good at fighting and in competitive scenarios, so they get really good at a few techniques that they specialize with.

    This is reflected in the ethic of judo olympic competitors, the ethos is that they master ONE take down for each direction, so they master four take downs.

    now, as for comparing judo to bjj.

    it is much easier to make up for the shortcomings of bjj in a bjj gym, then it is to make up for the short comings of judo in a judo gym.

    the thing about bjj, is that its so popular, and the skills you get from other martial arts is m ore transferable to bjj then vice versa. so what happens is you wind up having judo people, and sambo people, and jjj people, and wrestlers, and 10th planet jujutsu people going to bjj much more often then you have other practictioners going to judo.

    and more then that, you have these other practicioners showing bjj their shit, then you have these other practicioners showing judoka their shit.

    for example, my instructor literally has done sambo and 10th planet jujutsu and he goes to wrestling once a week. theres also champion wrestlers in my class and brown/black belt judoka.

    • 2 months ago
      nutefag

      the stand up in bjj is much less neglected then the ground game is in judo.

      in addition, judoka like to downplay how significant this is, but you are only training in the gi in judo, so you are only training to do maneuvers with grips on their clothing. where as in bjj, you do gi and no gi, so you train to do takedowns without grips on their clothing.

      in judo, you can only do ground game for thirty seconds and there is entire positions that they just don't really practice. in bjj, the stand up lasts until someone goes to the ground, yes often people will just pull guard, but not always, because its becomming more and more apparent that thats kind of a bitch move.

      judoka like to think that their ground game is a lot better then it is, where as bjj people tend to be more honest and have less of a chip on their shoulder because their martial art is much more popular and focuses more on being practical for shit like ufc which is also more popular.

      wrestling smashes both, but the cost is that it just absolutely can burn out its practitioners because of how intensive it is.

      the fact that bjj has shit like pulling guard and focusing on ground game allows for bjj to have more longevity, you see people competing in bjj at older ages then in other martial arts because bjj doesn't absolutely destroy your body as much. so you have the option of being a try hard in bjj if you want, but you can also take it easy if you want. and sometimes thats nice becasue this is a journey of decades, not monthes.

      • 2 months ago
        nutefag

        sambo can often be better then bjj as well but this is often reflective of the culture where people practice sambo and not neccessarily sambo it self.

        downsides? they wear shoes which you may or may not like how it affects the fighting, and also for what ever reason they don't allow chokes or maneuvers to the head, so you can only attack the limbs. kind of gay.

        If you can find Kodokan Judo, do it. You'll learn the throws, leg grabs, and top-down ground fighting, all of which is more useful that sitting on your ass and hoping the person doesn't stomp your shit in. Most throws can be done without the gi. There's like, 4 or 5 that actually need a gi and even then a jacket is fine. Otherwise though Olympic judo is cucked and at that point just wrestle

        kodokan judo people like to believe that their ground game is as good as a bjj guys but its just fucking not lol, its just a bit better then other judoka.

        judo also totally wrecks people because you are doing take downs all the time. and more important then that, because judoka have such a fucking chip on their shoulder by constantly comapring them selves to bjj, there is a problem where judoka are known to go harder then they have to alot of the time, they have a harder time being chill because they feel like they have something to prove.

        • 2 months ago
          nutefag

          in summary, its way easier to make bjj and a bjj gym suited to what you want to get out of it then the other martial arts. you can go as hard as you want or as easy as you want much easier. and its just more fun and you meet more girls. so i say bjj is the best option.

          • 2 months ago
            nutefag

            to emphasize just how versitile bjj is.

            its like a regular occurance at my dojo for the instructor to have like a judoka or a wrestler or a sambo guy take over to teach some takedowns.

            its much more rare in judo for the instructor to have a bjj guy take over to teach some ground game.

      • 2 months ago
        nutefag

        also, wrestling smashes both mostly because of the physicality and athleticism that wrestling promotes, and then second to that, yes it focuses on the few most efficient take downs that exist, namely the single leg and the double leg.

        how ever, wrestlers don't at all practice submissions, like choking someone or arm bars or leg locks, unless its catch wrestling which is even more rare then wrestling is which is rare for there to be adult gyms that you can go to.

        and again, its harder to get quality control because there are less adult wrestling competitions then there are adult bjj competitions.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      bjj is quickly replacing karate as the gayest, most onions-filled martial art, same with judo
      wrestle if you want to grapple, box for striking
      it really depends on what you are looking to get out of it as well (self defense, exercise, competition, fun social activity, etc.)

      this guy makes a lot of great points in his posts

  9. 2 months ago
    nutefag

    bjj people are much more willing to admit their flaws then other marital arts too because they dont' have a chip on their shoulder because its the more popular martial art and also a lot of people just do it for fun.

    So you are more likely to have a bjj guy admit to you that they aren't the best at takedowns and you should ask the judo guy, then you are to get a judo guy admit they aren't the best at ground game and you should ask a bjj guy.

    honesty from people in your gym helps to go along way with your training. if you are training badly under a guy who isn't the best at a technique that can literally be worse then if you didn't train at all.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Judo or bjj fags still think a street fighter ref will be there to ensure that i:
    >won't headbutt
    >won't gauge their eyes
    >won't pull their hair
    >won't twist their fingers/dick/etc
    >won't bite them
    >won't knee them
    Grapplers are so fucked irl.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I'll just scratch your eyes out bro
      This retard argument comes up every time. How many street fight videos have you seen in your life? Of those, how many included eye gouging, finger twisting (wtf), or groin kicking?

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just pick whichever one has a gym closest to you and with cooler people in it. Martial arts are heavily dependent on micro local communities - the same martial art can be fun or complete shit depending on whether the people at your gym are cool or fags. They're like Meetups: the content doesn't matter so much as the people.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Find a BJJ place that does a good amount of stand-up (ideally start rolls on their feet). I have been to BJJ gyms that do 0 stand-up and obviously that is not ideal but neither is Judo: I find that Judo has too many dumb rules that water it down like not allowing leg grabs.

    BJJ with stand-up > Judo > Virgin BJJ with no stand-up

    Also No-Gi >>> Gi

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