Should a fat guy lose weight or gain muscle first?

Am a fat, and I wanna change that. As I was reading "Beginner's Health and Fitness Guide" it said that you can't lose weight AND build muscle at the same time. So which is better? I want to be buff, but would the fat I already have get in the way? (make me look fatter) Would my quality of life improve by losing the fat first?
Also you have to be in a caloric deficit to lose weight, but consume more calories to gain muscle. So if I'm fat now could I get away with weightlifting while being on a caloric deficit?

  1. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just stop eating shit, go for some jogs and lift some fucking weights you circumcised retard.

  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    bro just hit the gym and eat teh same amount, granted try to eat healthier. you dont need to bulk or cut in ur first year, especially if ur already fat

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Diet and exercise.

  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    lose weight until you're at a healthy bodyfat, ~15% then slow bulk

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Lose fat, not weight.
    You're already wearing a 100lbs bodysuit at all times.
    You're basically the size of a roidchud under all that fat.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      a lot of a fat person's muscle is actually atrophied due to lack of use and limited ROM

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yup. Amd skinnyfats too. If skinnyfays just lifted weights for 5 months and eat the same as normal they would gain muscle and lose fat. But they dont believe it...

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not true. Most fat people, unless they have the genetics to be naturally muscular, are weak skellies underneath the fat

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >muscular systems that are forced to carry an extra 60-100lb of fat all over themselves are actually super weak bro and no different than people who are just skinny skeletons
        go ahead and have a nice day thanks

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Your both right. Fatties will have very strong lower body from carrying the weight but upper body will be very weak in comparison. It’s why fat guy calves are a thing.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, aside from their calves they're super weak.

            your chest and arms arent moving that weight. Just your legs and calves. Fatties can squat like 2pl8 no problem. But still will have little baby arms that can barely bench the bar.

            Do you think the upper body strength of nonlifting skeletons is equal to nonlifting fatties? You guys are so fucking stupid it's laughable.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Fats are sedentary fat fucks who don't move or do any activity you mong ofc they'll be atrophied and weak, easily tipped over

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Aren't there quite a few different foods that are just naturally gonna make you get little testosterone boosts here and there giving small muscle gains over time
                same goes for growth hormone shit in different types of random food
                guess it also depends on whether you're a fatty with a shit diet or fatty that eats somewhat cleaner (less soda and chips and more pigging out on meats/milk and that type of thing)

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              >muh fat makes big strong muscle
              How fucking stupid are you? Look at any of the fat fucks who dropped hundreds of pounds on leddit. If they weren't doing heavy weightlifting while dropping lbs, they look like dire dyel shit. My boy Andy, an absolute behemoth at 6'3" 400lbs, went on omad keto and dropped to 200lbs. His arms are skinnier than my lanklet noodles

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >muh anecdote

                Fats are sedentary fat fucks who don't move or do any activity you mong ofc they'll be atrophied and weak, easily tipped over

                I'm not saying all fats are strong just cause they're fat.
                I'm not saying they're not weak.
                You retards are saying there is no difference in upper body strength between nonlifting skeletons and nonlifting fats and that's why I'm mocking you all.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >You retards are saying there is no difference in upper body strength between nonlifting skeletons and nonlifting fats and that's why I'm mocking you all.
                skellingtons have better hormones because they have less fat to lean body mass.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                No one said anything about hormones; why are you replying to me?

                Lose weight first via caloric deficit, aim for 0.5-2 lbs lost per week, make sure you're getting enough protein and weight training so that as much of the weight you lose is fat. t. fatty who was (and still is but making progress) in your situation.

                It's true for lower body muscles but not for upper. I can squat bodyweight easily but I'm still at the beginner level for a lot of upper body exercises

                Go ahead and explain how having 10-20lb of fat around your arms 24/7 for years doesn't lead to stronger muscles in that area compared to nonlifting skeletons.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                nutrient partitioning and sedentary lifestyles significantly reduce the amount of muscle on fat people. A nonlifting skeleton would probably have more muscle mass than a nonlifting fat simply because their hormones would be more likely to be in balance and their body wouldn't be constantly fighting a losing battle for homeostasis.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            is it coincidence that those guys are always wearing cargo shorts

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, aside from their calves they're super weak.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          your chest and arms arent moving that weight. Just your legs and calves. Fatties can squat like 2pl8 no problem. But still will have little baby arms that can barely bench the bar.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Lose weight first via caloric deficit, aim for 0.5-2 lbs lost per week, make sure you're getting enough protein and weight training so that as much of the weight you lose is fat. t. fatty who was (and still is but making progress) in your situation.

          It's true for lower body muscles but not for upper. I can squat bodyweight easily but I'm still at the beginner level for a lot of upper body exercises

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Only true of fatties who are active (most fatties are inactive and sit/stand most of the time). Fatties have retarded muscle production due to fucked up hormones.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          why are you arguing with retards?
          fat people arms carry the weight of 20kg barbells.
          they wiggle then arround all day.
          a fat fuck will always have more strength than someone skinny simply by carrying the extra weight arround. they would be unable to exist otherwise.
          you are right and they are dumb fucking idiots or trolls.
          >i-i-its only lower body
          no, you cunt. its not. lower body gets the whole brunk of fat, but the upper body, shouldern and arms still have to carry the rest.

  6. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Lost 120lbs down from 400lbs over the year
    Workout allday everyday
    There is so much muscle hiding under your fat... Grind on

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Samefag

  7. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Definitely lose weight first. This isn't even a difficult decision.

  8. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Lift weights and eat less. Where does this nonsense thinking that you can only lose weight and get skeleton with 0 muscles or eat like a pig and lift weights come from?
    Just lift and eat less, y9u will get gains because you are a newbie and will lose fat. You will get a frame when you get leaner. Just do it.

  9. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Lose weight in the kitchen
    Gain muscle in the gym
    Lose weight in the kitchen
    Gain muscle in the gym
    Lose weight in the kitchen
    Gain muscle in the gym
    Lose weight in the kitchen
    Gain muscle in the gym
    Lose weight in the kitchen
    Gain muscle in the gym
    Lose weight in the kitchen
    Gain muscle in the gym

  10. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Do a body recomp (google it for more info), aka losing fat and gaining muscle by recompositioning your body. It may take longer to see results if lil fat but will def see results fast if turbo fatty. It won't be as difficult/restrictive as hard cutting and therefore your more likely not to quit.

    This site will help you too.
    >https://physiqonomics.com/fat-loss/
    GL anon.

  11. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Cut to 12% bodyfat first before any bulk. Start lifting now. You'll be able to build some muscle of you're fat and untrained.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      12% is too low. OP wants to put on muscle. Go down to 15-16% bf and then clean bulk

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >clean bulk at 15%
        lol. The vast majority of men look most attractive to women at 10-12% bf. At 15% op will just look slightly less skinny fat which is still worse than just being skinny.

        >inb4 lifting for women aka what at least 70% of people who hit the gym do

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'd consider 15% bf the minimum for bulking. If you want definition then cut more during the spring/summer season

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        If you bulk from 15% you'll get like 3 months before needing to cut again. It's 12-17% and always has been

  12. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just fucking eat lesssss!!!!!!!!!!!
    No fucking snacks, no fucking fries, no fucking liquid calories!!!!
    Eat meat!!!!
    Eat some fats!!!!
    Eat some healry and low calorie carbs!!!
    And lift some weights or do some fucking pushups and pull ups.
    FUCKKKKK IN 3 MONTHS YPU WILL GET GAINS AND YPU EULL LOSE FAT!!!!!
    STOP ASKING THE SAME SHIT EVERYDAY AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

  13. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I did both, it's easier to lose weight and gain muscle, you may have loose skin though but it goes away

  14. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    You can lose weight and build muscle. Building muscles just requires you eat enough protein while working out. Losing weight just requires you're in a net caloric deficit. That said if you must choose one, lose the weight first. Bulking when you're already fat just makes you more fat, which will then just lead to you giving up. Meanwhile, losing weight and seeing progress will give you the discipline needed to build the muscle later.

  15. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you start from complete beginner you'll make some gains even when eating less.

    t. Made some small gains while losing fat from obese mode

  16. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Cut. Losing weight drastically improves quality of life and will make gains easier when you start bulking later.

  17. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Season 2 episode 1 x files

  18. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Cut first for your organs, cardio, hormones.

  19. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Lose weight and lift weights.

  20. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw find out that fat cells never truly go away, just shrink
    wow it really was over since childhood..

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