>should I cult or bulk
Why do people who look like this always ask this question? I don't get how you can be skinnyfat and think bulking helps. What do these people think bulking means? Should there be a better term or phrase so they stop getting confused?
>should I cult or bulk
>should I cult or bulk
When you have zero muscle training matters way more than diet
Cutting isn't just dieting Jesus christ you are who I'm talking about
What the fuck are you talking about?
It’s because they’re lazy and don’t work hard at the gym so they try to find an external excuse like muh diet muh genetics muh whatever the fuck
>Cutting isn't just dieting
What is cutting then? cutting is just eating in a calorie deficient
Yes so you lose fat theres no reason you can't build muscle at the same time
Skinnyfat here. It's pretty hard
Have TDEE of 1800 at sedentary and cutting, but progressing on lifts is pretty brutal.
Still gaining some muscle due to noob gains but still.
Unless you're 5'0 you need to eat more. Ideally while also upping your activity levels to minimize fat gain. Add some LISS cardio and 1 or 2 conditioning sessions to your weekly programming and stop obsessing over calories for a while (you can still track them just don't let your tracker dictate your diet). Eat real food, get enough protein, and be consistent in your workouts
>Fat covers muscle, fat doesn’t go away if you keep don’t eat less
As you gain muscle your tdee goes up so the same amount of calories becomes a deficit
>Unless you're 5'0 you need to eat more
I'm 5'6 59kg. That's just the life of a manlet, anon. The good thing is that breakfast and 1 meal is enough for me to hit my daily goal which is 1300 calories. I'm also doing 30min of cardio almost everyday, unless it's leg day so 4-5 times a week.
My muscles are growing slowly and I lost a ton of face fat to the point where my parents commented on it. Started at 65kg a month ago. I don't think I can eat more, I tried eating at maintenance and was gaining weight too fast so I went back to cutting.
I don't see the point of bulking when ur 20% bodyfat, I don't wanna become those skinnyfat anons who do 1 year of bulk and never lose their disgusting belly.
Stop falling for the body comp is just fat loss meme. Even at 5'6 you can look good 10+kg heavier provided you have the muscle mass for it.
just how sedentary do you have to be for a tdee of 1800? that’s an intense cut for me at 5’10 145
Yeah you should just say......go lift bro. Just lift, that's it. You want muscles? Lift. Need a ride? Lyft. Flying an airplane? Lift. Oil change? Lift. Need a hug from your firstborn son? Lift.
Everything in life is about lifting.
former skinny fat here. you need to eat better and work out. that's it. you need to do those two things consistently.
Because everyone who doesn't lift is either:
And you do not, nor should you ever, cut into skeleton mode before trying to get muscle. What skinnyfats should do is not obsess about the calories itself but instead make sure they're getting the protein and carbs to handle the new stress of weightlifting. I don't care about your dyel meme diet response, this is what works for 100% of people.
I'm going to help you guys that look like OP
Don't even think about muscle growth or loss. Just pretend like muscle isn't even real. Don't even count grams of protein, don't worry about meal timing, don't worry about sarcoplasmic versus myofibrilar hypertrophy.
Just focus on eating a healthy diet low in calories and while you're doing it try to go to the gym and do some basic weight lifting with moderate to high intensity. Maybe some cardio a few times a week too.
I promise you if you keep this up for months, you will look great at the end of it. You are not a bodybuilder, you're an average fucking dyel nobody. You are not going to look like a hungry skeleton after months of lifting even if you are in a calorie deficit. You will develop muscle if you lift. And even if you look like a hungry skeleton it's going to be 100000x better than looking like a skinnyfat.
Cutting while being a DYEL skinny fat is the dumbest advice people give. You are already genetically inferior than everyone else when it comes to building muscle, why make it even harder? Also you don't have enough energy reserves for building muscle. A belly is not enough for a recomp. It might work for an obese person but not skinny fat DYELs, I tried eating at maintenance for a year but my physique didn't change.
Skinny fats should suck it up and do a bulk with a small surplus. Yeah you might look fluffy in the end but if you do it correctly, you will build some muscle, be stronger and look way better in the end.
TL;DR: Small surplus, take your training seriously, reduce stress cuz cortisol is a gains goblin and focus on sleep.
I'm doing all of the above and I feel way better than I did before. Still a long way to go for me though.
>eating at maintenance
>my physique didn’t change
bro yeah that was the problem. Fat covers muscle, fat doesn’t go away if you keep don’t eat less
Even my measurements didn't improve. No muscle gain. Recomping is fake and all these fake roided natties should stop telling skinny fat people to "maingain" like Greg retard Doucette.
Either cut or bulk, I'd advice to bulk with mini cuts inbetween.
wish i could have told you that a year ago so you wouldnt have made that mistake.
i tried to maingain the first three years of lifting. the amount of wasted time is rage inducing, but this was back in 2009 when there wasn't as much info on lifting that was easily accessible like it is now.
zoomers have no excuse
so they look bulky at best or even more fat at worst no it's better to be skeleton mode then build slowly from there
Being bulky is better than being a skeleton DYEL struggling to bench press. You will have to do several bulks and cuts to even look like you lift. Recomping you will always look DYEL and be weak.
depends on what you value looks or strength looking like bulky retard for monthes or years isn't worth it imo if you're skelly any type of work out would yield an aesthetic body in a matter of months besides some just get fat and say they are booolking
If you get fat then you are either eating like shit or your training sucks. If you bulk reasonably and don't be a retard about it, you will look fluffy but a lot bigger with muscles. People won't look at you and say "you are fat" they will say "you are a big guy".
Bulk slowly and you won''t get fat.
still sucks looking fluffy i did the bulking meme and it sucked ass i would rather be a skeleton plus it's not healthy people told me i look like a big guy but nobody finds me attractive when i was skinny fat i was more attractive i'm telling what i should've done
You were supposed to lift
it's never better to be skeleton mode and don't cope with woman preferring it go muh dik somewhere else
it is having less body fat is always better
only if you have a lot of muscle mass if not you'll just have the body of a teenage girl
The body of a teen girl is unironically better than skinnyfat or obese. They all look like shot but at least one is healthier.
yeah that's sexy
Absolutely horseshit. It’s better for the average skinny fat to just eat clean and exercise than fuck around making themselves fatter. You can build muscle on a cut.
Enjoy spinning your wheels for years when you could just suck it up, get a bit fluffy and build more muscle in fraction of the time.
Also, are you skinny fat yourself? No? I thought so, so stop giving this dogshit advice like many of the average genetic guys and tell skinny fats to cut when they already have a hard time building muscle.
t. skinny fat myself. Before I even started lifting, I only ate like one meal a day cuz my appetite is shit and barely ate protein and I didn't even lose my gut. You can't tell me I wasn't in a deficit because that's bullshit.
i think cutting while working out (weights, cardio) is probably the best for skinny fats eating high protein too
>cut to solve skinny fat
>bulk to solve skinny fat
>maintain to solve skinny fat
Well? Which one is it?
Train hard for 4-5 times a week, eat high protein around maintenance or just bellow. Do that for 3-6 months and you will escape skinny fat
I simply stopped caring about aesthetics
I will go and lift and eat a healthy diet to feel better
if i dont get enough chicken, does that mean i have to have protein shake? seems liket he most rational thing to do
Bulking is the most important thing if your main goal is strength gains. If you’re just tired of being pudgy or are already obese, then the answer is obviously to cut first, as much as that may negatively affect your gains.
>Should there be a better term or phrase so they stop getting confused?
Skinnyfats are inherently retarded so it doesn't matter what term you use, they'll misunderstand you anyway.
For example, skinnyfats can't wrap their heads around the fact that they are FAT as your pic nicely proves. I mean, it's even in the name. Of course they shouldn't bulk. So if they mean "lift and put on muscle" when they say "bulk", why can't they just say that instead?
It's hard to put on muscle without some kind of a bulk. Where are you getting the energy to workout. Cutting is for dudes who are obese or dudes who have a decent amount of muscle under the fat. Skinnyfats who wanna cut down to a skeleton are shortsighted and shooting themselves in the foot.
>Where are you getting the energy to workout
They're literally wearing it around their waist.
>Cutting is for dudes who are obese
Skinnyfats are obese.
If you want to put on muscle while still losing fat, keep your protein intake relatively high while being in overall caloric surplus and lift, as heavy as you can handle.
It's really not rocket science.
> while being in overall caloric surplus
Fuck meant to type overall caloric deficit, sorry for the confusion.
Skinny fat people are not obese, retard. Otherwise they wouldn't be skinny fat, they just be plain obese. Skinny fat people do not have enough energy (body fat) for building muscle, unless you are 30+ percent body fat but thats pure fat, not skinny fat.
You fucking retard, skinnyfats ARE obese. The OP pic is a textbook skinnyfat and he's easily at 30% bf.
Obese doesn't have to mean "big and round and takes up a lot of physical space". You do realize body composition is a thing, right? The reason some obese people are so big is because they either have a big frame or already have some muscle under their fat. The reason skinnyfats are the worst of all worlds is that they're the double whammy of having way too high a body fat percentage ALONG with no muscle. In fact we could rename "skinnyfat" into "sarcopenic obesity".
TL;DR: they ARE fat and need to stop coping.
Well? Cut or bulk?
Cut you fat piece of shit
Already doing tbh lol.
400 kcal breakfast usually raw milk, magic spoon cereal and sometimes a scoop of whey protein
400kcal lunch usually Greek yogurt with a banana. 1 or 2 tangerines for snack
Dinner usually some meat with a small potato or veggies as a side
BJJ practice for 1.5 hours 3-4 times a week
Have had a nearly perfect diet for 1 month and with almost no temptations to cheat. BJJ makes me naturally want to eat right to have more energy during rolls
$10 for a box for children's breakfast, eat 2 eggs cooked in 8g of butter and pour the leftover butter on your eggs when finished. Your an adult
Literally don't have time in morning. I already have to wake up at 3 in the morning. Fuck having to wake up at 2:30am so I can eat some eggs
Babies drink milk
Are you a baby that drinks milk? Only baby drinks milk anon
Dude it literally takes 5 min tops to Sunnyside up some eggs, I was referring to the fruity cereal not the milk. I'm same boat as you. Get up at 5am and out the door by 530. That includes getting coffee and mixing up a protein drink.
>Why do people who look like this always ask this question?
Because laziness is what got them that body and they want an excuse to continue to be lazy. Cutting is hard work. Eating like a fat fuck is easy, but then you feel guilty. If you call it "bulking" though, then you're not eating like a fat fuck, you're "improving." They want an excuse to keep being fat fucks without the guilt.
If you have atrophied muscles and layers of cellulite, just fucking lift and don’t worry about your calories yet.
I cut all the way to 125 lbs while lifting the entire time and was still skinnyfat and made little gains. Fuck you. Now I'll just keep lean bulk until I have a respectable amount of muscle and then lose the fat later. It's much easier to lose weight than it is to gain muscle
Idk bro I just lifted and it worked out for me
>don't get how you can be skinnyfat and think bulking helps.
>have very low muscle mass, and relatively high bodyfat
>no expirience cutting or bulking (or lifting), but know one gets rid of fat good and the other builds muscle good
>get confused / look for excuses to put off improving