This pic was taken a few months ago, exactly a year and a week after I started gymcelling. But in my own defense, for the first 6 months I ate like shit and skipped the gym a lot.
Would I experience major side effects from only a 500mg cycle so I can finally stop looking like a twink troony? Surely my body wouldn't stop producing testosterone from that alone? Then again I don't have much to lose and i'm desperate.
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yeah why not
I'm asking about side effects. From the limited knowledge I have, I understand that 500mg is a small dose and I would go back to normal after the cycle?
ywnbam roid troony
>I don't have much to lose and i'm desperate
>I'm asking about side effects
you're contradicting yourself. if you really had nothing to lose you'd slam that shit along with some meth and start chucking cop cars around with your bare hands for fun.
>you're contradicting yourself. if you really had nothing to lose you'd slam that shit along with some meth and start chucking cop cars around with your bare hands for fun.
Because if I do manage to get a gf I don't want to naturally produce as much testosterone as her.
Why not?
I don't say this often, but you need therapy. Go to a psychologist and sort yourself out. Get tour shit together before you can frick shit up.
I meant that I don't want to frick up my natural test production or go bald and age myself 20 years. I want to roid as much as I can without fricking myself up in case I do get a gf and don't rope. That's why I only want to do 500mg.
buddy your "damaged" seek help. getting a gf will change zero. I Myself was kvh until 24 got sex with few ladies and 1 wanted to be my gf i said no and now i wish i still was a virgin. but instead im a prostitute and nothing can change that
your best bet is to go on HRT and become a troony if don't want to naturally produce as much testosterone as her
>if you really had nothing to lose you'd slam that shit along with some meth and start chucking cop cars around with your bare hands for fun
Exactly. Sounds like op life isn't really as bad as let on
Trust me, there's such a thing as I'm not living another day like this
Like I said earlier, one 500mg test cycle isn't going to do shit for you
doesn't a 500mg cycle give you a year's worth of natty progress in 3 months?
Yeah, but at the cost of making you angrier at yourself.
Get. Professional. Help.
Checked and it doesn't matter because you still won't be satisfied
It will still be minimal, it still takes time
And when you come off and start losing gains and training isn't as fun and you don't feel as awesome as you did while on
why would I lose gains that I would have made natty anyway? Don't you only lose what you made past your natty limit?
No. You do things right when coming off and gains will go down slowly, but they will go down
You will always lose the look of being on because you only get that look when on
It doesn't matter anyway because the way you talk you will never do just one cycle. Many others have said one cycle only to realize what enhanced training is like
I already had some foids tell me I have nice arms and even some weird old homosexuals outside the gym asked me to come home with them lmao. I think a 500mg cycle would do good things for my SMV even if it doesn't make me huge.
I honestly think would do great with steroids, you've done very good natty
I could see you blowing up/getting big but it's still going to take time. Still have to be consistent with training and get diet locked in. It will also take more compounds then test but that comes later
But it isn't a one and done thing, there's no dipping your toe in. It's a commitment. You want to fraud then plan on doing it right/long term
the problem is in your mind not your body
ok but test fixes both, havn't you been listened to Rip's latest podcasts?
>heard it on a podcast
IT MUST BE TRUE!
Thread should have ended right here.
You need to get the frick off of the internet for 6 months. Seriously. Do that and keep lifting, your physique is decently above average. Don’t become a roidtroony.
yeah what said. You have a decent physique and should do alright. just keep at it and you'll be fine. Most women don't like the overtly gym look and when ask just say you do a few push ups, pull ups and jog.
see:
No, just have a nice day.
No girl deserves someone who would make this type of thread as their boyfriend and you wouldn't be happy yourself anyway.
Kys b***hes deserve every bad in the world, and they orgasm while getting stabbed and beheaded.
>most mentally stable roidhead
ok champ have fun getting a gf then, I'm sure your body is the only problem
Idk there are equally shitty and much worse women
>No girl deserves someone who would make this type of thread as their boyfriend
what kind of woman deserves anything more?
you look cute anon can i suck you off? :3 (i'm a guy)
guy (female)?
guy (male (balding)) uwu
Your body is fine. If you're not attracting women, it's because you need to work on your personality and charm
I look like a somewhat active twink. I want to look like I can crush normie skulls with one hand.
then roid if you want to look like a mass monster
I thought you wanted to get a girlfriend.
I can't have charm if I don't feel confident and I won't feel confident if I look like what I do now. I need roid rage. I'm insecure, high inhib, I stutter, afraid to make eye contact etc. All low T traits.
why would you have a nice day? you mog most men
your pec insertions arent great, but everything is lookin good.
If you truly have nothing to lose and it's what you want then sure
Test won't cure the problems you described, but it's a tool that can help you get over that shit. You have to fix those problems
Test isn't magic and you aren't going to turn into the beast you want on one cycle. It takes time and continuous training and diet
Be prepared to be on for life - not because of natural test levels bottoming out but because it's better
Know that you have severe body dysmorphia and it won't go away - welcome to being forever small
I would date you but you know that just have a girlfriend won't make you happy. You'll just be dependent on me to validate your worth and that's a heavy fricking burden. Get yourself sorted before you hurt yourself or someone else
What are you sperking about you look good
lol. I'm on TRT rn at 860 instead of low 400s. While I love lifting even more now, everything else in day to day life just makes me want to kms even more. That or go full NEET and never wagecuck again. Frick, I could be a janitor and as long as they paid me a livable wage I'd be happy
Why is that the case?
Sorry bro but if this is what you got after a year of weightlifting then I'm sad to say that you've reached your so-called "natty limit" - i.e. the maximum amount of muscle your body can naturally support. I recommend blasting and cruising for the rest of your life (if the terms are unfamiliar you will understand soon enough by spending some time in our community, and my I say welcome).
>In my own defense
You are anticipating an attack.
Roids won't help you get a GF.
You look fine as you are, not even kidding.
Ripped? No. Huge? No. Toned? Yes. Defined? Yes. That's what most women care about.
It doesn't matter how hot you look (frame, body, face, etc) if you are an insecure turbo autist with 0 conversation and 0 sense of humor.
My main problem is being insecure as frick. I can't even make eye contact with women. I need to feel above normies and foids and get the roid rage confidence boost. I already feel better about myself since I started lifting. I want to speed up the progress without fricking up my natural test production or going bald.
>My main problem is being insecure as frick. I can't even make eye contact with women
did you grow up with an active father ?
Abusive mother and beta father, so basically with a single mother but worse.
*step-father
You know the root problem. Tackle that, not the symptoms. Deal with your own past before altering your future (roid side effects). Get out of your house. But first get out of your own head.
Seriously, insecure people mistake arrogance with confidence. Grow as a person, then grow as a body. The opposite can't happen.
why do you care about the consequences if you’re going to off yourself anyway
You need some kind of chemical courage.
So either a little bit of alcohol or drugs.
Quick googling drugs for confidence found: MDMA, amphetamines, opiates and even xanax
you can also try https://rehabs.com/pro-talk/how-to-build-self-confidence/
you know the rules
breasts or gtfo
Tried alcohol, tried weed, tried phenibut. Definitely makes me better, but still i'm an anxious wreck. Was thinking of trying cocaine or meth but i'm not cool enough to know anyone that deals.
What is darknet for?
I don't know if i'd feel good ordering shit from there. Would prefer local dealers. But yeah, you're right.
Your body is perfect if you're after girls. You have to ask them out or just get on an online dating app, but you kinda suck at taking pictures...
>but you kinda suck at taking pictures...
Yeah, that's why my Tinder is shit too lol. First time I tried I uploaded a selfie with a shit phone and got 30 something likes in the first day before deleting it. I think it's an alright result for a guy.
Second time I uploaded what I thought was a better selfie with a better phone along with a few (bad) pics of me doing stuff outside but I got 24 likes in 24 hours, matched with 2 girls and they were shit so I deleted it out of shame.
I don't have anyone to take pictures of me.
Would have to spend another 2 years in the gym before I can upload shirtless selfies without cringing.
>My main problem is being insecure as frick.
yup
>I can't even make eye contact with women.
that needs fixin'
>I need to feel above normies
npdcuck mentality
>and foids
you're a man, you're already there if you stop the israelite of gender from psyopping your mind, but for that you'll need to undo some of
the cuck/abusive upbringing
Get off the abs and start working your chest harder you idiot. Your pecks are undersized for your body because you’re neglecting to max out your presses.
I only do 2 ab exercises every few days. I train my chest the hardest unironically but until like a month ago I didn't engage it at all. I was benching solely with my arms.
I only bench 25kg dumbbells for 2 sets and 22.5 for another 2 sets.
>I only bench 25kg dumbbells for 2 sets and 22.5 for another 2 sets.
anon….
is that very bad?
I was benching more than that my first time in a gym as a 16 year old kid. It’s weak as frick.
I see really big guys benching like 35kg for reps
35kg dumbbells*
My guy, you’re trying to put mass into your chest. You need to be maxing out your bench, not going for reps.
Especially without knowing your height, starting weight and current weight I don't, but it doesn't matter (I don't want to know either)
Just know you've done damn good. You've put on significant mass and definitely aren't as soft as you were
You need some self confidence brother. Girls do not hand out compliments! When you get them from girls you're good. You are obviously not ugly nor creepy because girls would never compliment someone that is
Everything is practice. Talk to them more
Also fake it till you make it works damn good
That actually means a lot. Thanks, man. I'm 6'0, 77kg, was 72kg back then.
I really am creepy though. Initially some foids are interested in me but because i'm an awkward, stuttering autist, they all lose interest. Any girl that has ever approached me has.
In highschool one girl that I never talked to before asked me out and about a week of autistic interactions later, she would run away from me and tell people i'm a stalker. All because I was terrified of her.
I'm 21 now and the only reason i'm not a virgin is because I fricked a prostitute.
Here's the thing anon, social skills are just that--a skill. You have to read up on it, watch some youtube videos, and practice practice practice. Admitting your social skills suck is the first step to fixing them. Read these books then get back to us:
- How to win friends and influence people, Dale Carnegie
- No More Mr Nice Guy, Robert Glover
- Barking up the wrong tree, Eric Barker
- The Rational Male, Rollo Tomassi
I started my early 20's almost exactly like you, socially awkward, zero female attention, and a borderline autistic personality. Part of the problem was that i grew up thinking that intelligence, academics, and logic were everything. Accordingly, i neglected my social skills and never developed much "emotional intelligence" (i hate that term, but I've come to realize that most women especially, tend to think with emotion not with logic so its relevant). Now here's the thing at the time...I SHOULD have been attractive in the eyes of women by virtue of being 6'2", in good shape, traditionally attractive face, educated, solid career etc. yet i was getting beaten out fat ass frat boys in the sex department. What i came to realize is that your social skills and personality matter more than all of that, so for the past 10 years that's what i worked on and I'm still working on it, just like I'm working on my fitness. Fast forward to today and I've slept with over 20 women and have a wife and children. I'm not saying its easy, but i am saying its possible.
I appreciate the advice anon and i'll check those books out but in terms of social skills i'm a lost cause. Too much bad shit in childhood and teenage years added up. Without being diagnosed I have worse social skills than diagnosed autists. I stutter even when talking to men. I also jumble words and sound like I can't speak English properly.
Sure, I am boring but if I wasn't socially moronic I would've been able to at least get a few hookups by now.
Only got like 5k in my bank, i'm a college student.
I'm fatter now lol, i'm bulking.
And I can't warm approach because I don't know any women. Never even had a female friend.
why not?
Why'd you want a girlfiend so bad it sounds like you'd hate it
Don't worry about fitting in - or the illusion of fitting in
Worry about fixing yourself and it will work itself out - then you'll fit in with people you enjoy/want to be around
You're already at low body fat you depressed frick. Your chest looks like your allergic to the bench press. take your frickin cycle, get ripped, frick as many women as you can and turn your god damn life around.
God speed anon! Suicide is not the answer
Yes, great post
Love it
You're not creepy, girls pick that up immediately and avoid at all costs
They are losing interest because you are boring/aren't interesting to them/awkward. That can be fixed
Don't let some girl's reaction get to you - ever. Girls are extremely fricked up with anxiety and all their other female bullshit. Ignore it and brush it off. It turns them on as well
Whatever bullshit happened it was her fault for whatever fricked up reason going through her head that day
When girls are asking you out, let alone complimenting you, you are obviously attractive
Like bro said above, just start fricking blasting
>Your chest looks like your allergic to the bench press
Top kek, where is the upboat button
brappa
good pic good post
post butt in lingerie
I'm going to the gym now. Will reply to any new replies when I get back.
Nah not necessary. Ive built up to 100kg at 6’ with relatively low doses. Take 350mg Test + 200mg Primo for 16 weeks. Daily injections for minimum sides. Eat a shit ton of food.
Do that and add a cumulative 200mg tren-A weekly to see what happens
Also throw away your most precious physical belonging as a sacrifice and smoke some DMT and see how it goes
Should I inject 500mg estrogen in my last attempt to get a bf before I kill myself?
This pic was taken a few months ago, exactly a year and a week after I started bawdposting. But in my own defense, for the first 6 months I ate nothing and skipped the gym a lot.
Would I experience major side effects from only a 500mg cycle so I can finally stop looking like a twink troony? Surely my body wouldn't stop producing testosterone from that alone? Then again I don't have much to lose and i'm desperate.
I'll be your bf if you send me pics like this whenever I ask for them anon
very cringe, go touch grass
Frick off with the homosexualry
Take it to your board
im trying to take it to dms anon not a different board
im trying to frick twinks, its the most high test activity a man can engage in
>im trying to frick twinks, its the most high test activity a man can engage in
He's not going to frick you anon
>He's not going to frick you anon
I will frick him tranime poster
oh no, he's too far gone, his inceldom has gotten to him
I will frick you too
No, but you should send me all your money first.
this is all you need to attract women, its a healthy fit natty body. if you start roiding prepare for hairloss, acne, bloated face and organ damage in the long term. when you quit roids you will have depression for months and will lose most of your roid gains while gaining fat because of testosterone supression, you will have 0 testosterone for months and it could take years for your endocrine system to be back to completely normal pre roid status.
t. ex roider who regrets it.
did you use hcg during the cycle? did u pct?
yes, i did a perfect pct, it basically only helped so much that i not killed myself. i even quit my job for 3 months i was so depressed, i could do 2-3x workouts a week with high dose of stimulants and even so i lost nearly all roid gains and put on some fat.
but that's why I only want to do 500mg. Would I really experience all that from a small cycle?
doesn't matter what dose, if you shoot any kind of steroids your testosterone production will shut down. if you are lucky your natural t is pretty high and from one cycle you will be only at the really bottom instead of 0, but still its pointless, because you will lose nearly all roid gains.
Any amount of exogenous test is going to shut down production moron.
Lose the weight fatty, then fix your mentality and find some hobbies, then warm approach girls at work school etc
Why would a girl want to be your gf if you hate yourself so much
Let's say some girl decides to be your gf, then what? How are you gonna take charge when you're suicidal?
he's no longer gonna be suicidal because he will have that which he lacks for happiness thus it will kickstart him fixing other aspects of his life
>novice with muscles starting to show up
>wants to inject test
kek, what a weak minded homosexual
You are NOT going to get the effects that you think you will from a single 500mg test cycle... and based on the other questions you're asking you need to do a ton more research. Don't abuse your endocrine system without knowing what damage you may do and how to mitigate it. Asking IST for ANY advice is for morons, asking IST for medical advice is for double super morons. Don't be that guy.
>trained natty for 6 months
>reeeee why no greek god statue physice
youre an impatient moron
Time is valuable, why not use cheat codes if you can?
cheat code into killing your natural test production, go for it dude
Femanon here, you are pathetic
femanon (xy)?
I took 500mg of test for a year with no side effects. Admittedly I shave my head so I can't speak to what may have happened to my hair. A year in I added 300 masteron a week to the test and I was so horny I had a gf in a month. It definitely can work. Any anxiety can be defeated by repeated exposure, and high test gives enough confidence to take the first steps.
if you are lifting to get a GF just cut you homosexual, you should have enough muscle to /ottermode/
Lol that was me on a cut, i'm fatter now. Will post more pics tomorrow during the day.
I don't want ottermode. Unless you're like Zyzz, you'll just look DYEL in a shirt. I've reached a point where my arms look big-ish in a tight enough t-shirt and I want to keep it that way.
Nobody here roids, except me. Let me tell you that 500mg of test will just make you retain water and gain fat, your appetite will also skyrocket which is a bad thing
if you are gonna roid, you need tren and anavar
No. You should lift and eat. When you get bigger consider test. You need to know how to make quality gains first to get the most out of a cycle. Otherwise you're just risking side effects for natty gains
Don't current young men have the testosterone levels of 80 year old men 100 years ago? Wouldn't injecting 500mg still be considered normal T levels?
Around 200mg a week would be around high normal
500mg is a blast
250mg is a nice enhanced trt
So I would get no side effects from 250mg?
thats 5x normal T levels, you certainly would
They can still come
Always be prepared for them. You will not know until you are on
Some people have estrogen problems at 250mg while others have no problem at 500mg
250mg should be a good balance of no or minimal sides
Don't expect to go on steroids and expect no sides
You would be messing with hormones, doesn't matter what dose there is potential for sides
Gains will be nowhere as good as 500mg though
Probably elevated e2 and maybe blood pressure. Maybe faster hair loss if you're prone. And testicle shrinkage. That's a definitive to happen.
No and no. The reason average test levels are lower now is because obesity is rampant and obesity lowers test levels.
The average man at peak produces 7mg of testosterone a week. Trt to get you in the high range caps at 200mg/week. 500mg puts most men at 2000-5000ng/dl which is 2-5x the standard range. It also tends to elevate estrogen which is why gyno occurs.
500mg is baby's first blast. If you choose to run that, keep antiestrogens on hand, you will likely need them. 500mg test bumps my e2 to about 70pg/ml which is well beyond male range. And bumps my test to 3500ng/dl at a trough reading. Likely 5000 or more at peak
>stuttering
Could look into Toastmasters
Don't know exactly what they do, from what I gather you give speeches to get better at public speaking
It would be a supportive environment
How tall are you?
6’0
why would you have a nice day over not getting a girl?
why would you think lifting will get you a girl?
why are you contemplating using drugs to lift even more?
How about, homosexual, instead of doing elaborate shit to get a girl, you try, befriending women and then asking them on dates or asking the women you know to introduce you to their single friends.
Fricking moronic zoomer.
But to answer your question. Yes 500 will absolutely shut down all natural test production. End of the world? no.
All you need to know about steroids is on the leddit wiki.
>How about, homosexual, instead of doing elaborate shit to get a girl, you try, befriending women and then asking them on dates or asking the women you know to introduce you to their single friends.
I don't know any women. I never even had a female in my social circle. I won't be able to talk to women without confidence and I won't have confidence if i'm not big. I'm 21 and not getting any younger. I kissed one girl in my life which is the sexual experience of a "cool" 10 year old.
I'd be happy to frick bawds at a bar, actually even happier than getting a gf since i'm sure after the sex I wouldn't want to even talk to her until i'm horny again. But i'm a sperglord at bars just like anywhere else.
If I started roiding I would still train hard, probably harder than I am now so it's not really looking for the easy way out.
>I don't know any women. I never even had a female in my social circle.
Here's your problem.
You don't know what you're up against. Women are not at all like men and you won't sperg your way into understanding them without a lot if experience and/or guidance. Where to begin... Try reading David Deida's books. Here's a YouTube clip I didn't screen at all, but it may give you an idea if what he talks about: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LpMWPSA8O7I
You need to practice some OUTCOME INDEPENDENCE dude
You're too hung up on results and you aren't enjoying the journey whatsoever. It's important to feel satisfaction when you complete tasks and achieve goals but you need to derive even more satisfaction from grinding away at tasks and projects. Most of your life will be spent slowly grinding away at the same things, day after day, endless toil. If you're obsessed with results you'll always take the easiest and quickest way with everything you do: Want muscles? Blast test and steroids. Want GF? Find easiest bawd at bar. Want dopamine? Porn, drugs, and yummy food
Don't go down that road
forget test. take estradiol and get a bf
1,000mg test per week, 150mg tren acetate per week - or it’s just a waste of money.
I’m going to ignore the possibility that you’re exaggerating.
You’re well past the point that women actually want in terms of physique. Maybe work down to better abs for a bit, but I promise it ain’t your gains holding you back
Why do people fall for the twink meme cope?
Because it's true. If you ever spoke to women you'd know they mostly prefer a Tom Holland, not a Tom Hardy.
Why do most incels take what 12 year old girls on TikTok say so seriously? What happened to "ignore what women say, watch what they do"? The biggest slayers IRL are masculine jocks, not gays like Tom Holland who are invisible.
Nbhh
taking roids is fricking moronic and roiders are mentally ill. so yes, you should do roids.
Why do you want a gf anyway? Instead of wasting everyone's time, just come out of the closet and get some therapy.
I know a guy who did 300mg a week and you couldn't even tell he lifted by looking at him
Because for him roids were a substitute for actually training hard and eating properly. OP will still be a twink on roids because he's too lazy to work.
>OP will still be a twink on roids because he's too lazy to work.
I train hard lol.
>Twink
I'm sure a lot of girls, especially on asian countries are into twinks. The same reason twink kpop idols are very popular
I live in west Europe.
Nobody is into twinks. Stop falling for the shit vids on tiktok where some homosexual asks women what body type they like.
It's better to be a twink than to be skinnyfat like the average normie is, but it's still shit.
Just be gay like all the other dudes who don’t get laid…
no
Yes
500 too much when I went to trt doc I had 120mg /week and it brought my overall levels to 1200 with 270 free test.
your physique is already better than i would say 90-95% of the male population
If you still cant attract females your body isnt the problem you fricking moron
But if my body was better than 99% of the population then my SMV would be much higher than it is now.
once again your body isnt the problem
post your face and i will give actual advice, even if you dont
Skincare (buy retin a online)
Teeth whitening
Mewing
Good haircut
clean up your eyebrows
Shave
It’s good enough for me to get approached at bars and clubs and sometimes street approaches from usually teen girls. I look like a skinny b***h though so that’s what I feel like and as a result i’m scared to even make eye contact with women. They terrify me. I stutter when talking to men, when I talk to women I forget how to speak completely.
treat social anxiety like in the gym
Start out with something easy, like today i will talk to 3 random guys
Next week after that talk to 5 random guys and 1 girl
Its the only way to get over it my dude im working on it myself still but you would be fricking surprised how easy it is once you have even the tiniest bit of charisma especially if you are already above average looking and have a good physique
Put yourself in situations that are going to be uncomfortable because thats the only way you are going to improve
I’m 21. I tried shit over the years. It didn’t work. I’m destined to be a loser. Not a sob story, just how it is, doesn’t stop me from trying to make something out of myself.
But even when I was 5 and first started school I was already a social outcast.
See:
I go to college and I go out with my college acquaintances ever week or two. I’m the most social now than i’ve ever been.
stop this fricking victim kunt mindset shit you pussy jesus christ
If you think you are destined to be a fricking loser than you are
Take accountability and fix the shit that is keeping you in the situation you are in right now
There is nothing to fix. At best i’ll be able to hook up with a bar bawd eventually which is what i’m hoping for. Roids would speed up that process since they make you low inhib, confident and horny. It would cure some of the autism at least.
I’m 21. If it was going to happen, it already would have. When i’m done college at 24, i’ll live a fully loner lifestyle in a small apartment/ camper van. That is my dream. Work, gym, lonely walks, television.
So I only have 3 years left really.
assuming you get absolutely zero side affects from roids which good luck
>acne
>aging faster
>hairloss
>gyno
You will at best make 10-15% more gains
This isnt even going into the health risks im just talking about shit that without a doubt will make you fricking uglier and less attractive to any female, so if you want to ignore the actual good advice i and other people are giving you and become a fricking roid troony instead of fixing the actual issue be my guest bro
Ill see you back here in 6 months when you make the same exact thread while natties are mogging you into the grave and fricking whoever they want because they know how to socialize
stop being moronic, talk to friends, if u dont have any, start there, get friends, go where the ppl are, go to parties, dont wait for someone to approach you, approach them, everyone is lonely, everyone is happy about some nice company
If you want my honest to god advice stay the frick away from incel forums and better yet stay off the internet for a good while. Shit’s rotting your brain. Those communities are training your brain to view women as objects and yourself as a prededermined failure making yourself unable to relate to the world in a normal manner. That’s likely the cause of your misfortune with women. Spend more time with your family and friends, work on yourself, you WILL make it if you put in the effort and change your mindset.
I've been on incel forums since 2018 and I quit recently, don't know if for good. I don't think any of it ever got to my head since I don't agree with their blackpill. I spent most of my time there arguing with them. I've come to my own realization that women hate men that are different in any way. Shy, awkward, boring etc. Which is what I am.
>> women hate men that are different in any way. Shy, awkward, boring etc.
Holy frick you are too fare gone if you actually believe this
girls hate ugly guys literally nothing else fricking matters
If you actually look good you can do whatever the frick you want and have whatever fricking hobbies you want and it does not fricking matter
>girls hate ugly guys literally nothing else fricking matters
That's what I heard on incel forums all the time. Yet when I go outside I see subhumans - ugly, manlets, fat etc with average and good looking girls.
As for me, I had foids that asked me out out of nowhere without ever speaking to me before and a few autistic interactions later, they would tell me to frick off when I tried talking to them. Not saying i'm beautiful or anything, but if they asked me out without speaking to me, it was obviously because they liked the way I looked.
So you hopped on incel forums when you were literally 15/16 years old? Obviously a lot of their poison has seeped into your subconcious and formed the way you view people and yourself judging by your post. Plenty of women like shy awkward men, it’s probably just the incel mindset insecurity they dislike.
We truly live in a society.
I was 17, but i've been shitposting on IST since I was like 14.
I was already an incel then, it didn't do anything. Sure, only the cool kids were fricking at 14, but everyone was making out with everyone. I missed out on that. Now i'm 21 and i've only ever made out with one thot at a club. Incel forums aren't to blame for that disaster.
In any case anon, as a previous anon pointed out the problem isn’t how you look but how you think. And I seriously doubt you getting bigger will drastically help you in that regard. Don’t roidtroony, it will frick you up and is not worth it. You’re only 21 and have everything to lose contrary to your original post. Try to purge that incel shit from your mind and find well-adjusted, normal and good friends, immerse yourself in that.
WAGMI and don’t make another gay thread like this.
I have a group that I basically forced myself into in college. They don't like me but I think they feel sorry enough for me to keep me around. I go out with them to bars sometimes. I'm autistic as frick even when drunk and I have no hope talking to women when i'm not drunk.
My plan is to keep going until a miracle happens.
But even then it will be a once off thing. I don't think there's much I can do without getting a roid rage confidence boost.
Not to sound like a self-fellating homosexual, but like I said above, i've had women I never talked to before ask me out, approach me and start the conversation complimenting my looks etc and that was when I was borderline chubby. And my autism was strong enough that I didn't get anything from those situations.
For some reason I rarely get approached anymore though.
This post right here tells me you're attractive enough. You probably were less insecure back then or at least hating yourself less. I don't recommend this often, but I think you should take some mushrooms and spend the night in the nearest forest in order to get some perspective before you do something moronic. You are entering some great life years if can manage to not frick them up.
>I've come to my own realization that women hate men that are different in any way. Shy, awkward, boring etc. Which is what I am.
not hate, but that does put you in their "watch out for that one" category, which is useful since in caveman times you'd be the one autismo enough to ignore the creepshaming and rape them (without being chad enough that they'd want you to rape them)
nice thing is for many (if not most) of the awkwardcels out there, it's more nurture than nature fricking you over, so you can normie up enough for your purposes with some effort
t. dun it mostly
>Shit’s rotting your brain. Those communities are training your brain to view women as objects
I'm not OP, but does porn do this to a large extent too? I'm conflicted on NoFap because lots of people say its just a meme.
t. Pathological coomer
Yes, but it depends, and probably not nearly as much. Shit like Facial Abuse is bound to make you into a jaded, cynical degenerate eventually. It won’t just impact your view on women but on mankind in general. It’s hard to have perspective and understand that reality isn’t such when you constantly watch degrading porn and read blackpill shit on IST and elsewhere. Real life isn’t tiktok or twitter yet many anons seem to think it is.
Facial abuse is real life if you're the right man. Women are your personal pleasure devices if you're high value enough.
It's cringe to say porn isn't real life. Which aspect of it, exactly?
Every woman isn’t a nihilistic prostitute willing to dehumanize herself on camera like blackpill addict shitposter doomers on IST seem to think.
Maybe not on camera, otherwise yeah. Women are prostitutes. This isn't just an edgy IST take, it's basically common sense.
A woman is whatever you want her to be, as well as whatever you think of yourself. She's a mirror. So what's the highest aspect of yourself you can project? You think of yourself as deserving nothing more than a worthless prostitute?
>You think of yourself as deserving nothing more than a worthless prostitute?
Don't need more than that. I just want free sex. Don't want to get married or be in an actual LTR ever ie when people settle down, get married, have kids
You can’t get laid because you’re a terminally online autist.
ull get a gf bro, go outside and socialize more
You actually gained some definition. I gymcelled for a year and I didn't even miss gym a lot until the last three months, and gained absolutely 0 muscle. Just go outside and get a girlfriend.
Oh for fuks sake just go south of the border dude.
Which border? I'm in the UK.
try weighted dips and dumbbell bench and you might actually develop a chest.
I only started benching properly like a month ago. Before that I would only engage my arms. Now I squeeze my chest. Idk if i'm built weird but before that I wasn't making any progress. It was completely flat.
Hate to break it to you op, but you have enough muscle to get laid. The problem is most likely whatever is going on in your head. Start there. Suicide is for pussies.
But if i'm lacking other things, then adding more muscle would even things out a bit, no?
No. You're trying to make your problems what you want them to be as an excuse to roid. Roid if you want, but it won't help you and you'll likely regret it once your prefrontal cortex finishes developing.
u look ok, the reason ur have no gf is cause girls dont like mentally ill dudes
Just do it, hell go start a business on something you like too and take out debt for the cost. You got nothing to lose
yes
Stop going on incel websites you talk so moronic. Throw your phone and PC out the window.
don't frick your body up man. become happy as a lonely hermit