should I learn BJJ or Muay Thai?

been getting more into martial arts lately to pair with lifting. already have a background in wrestling and tkd altho tkd isnt effective at all lol

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Both
    BJJ has some crossover with wrestling but honestly Judo is more exciting to me.
    MT is very exciting and gives you a good adrenaline rush. But it fricking HURTS a lot, especially at first.
    Source: I do both

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Both, but if you have to pick one, Muay Thai. BJJ isn't useless, but remember that competitive MMA is not a real fight, it has rules, and in the octagon people aren't allowed to, say, punch or elbow you in the back of the head while you do your grapple-gay shit.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        id actually go one further and say MT and Judo, and then BJJ when you understand Judo.

        In MT you hit people with your 8 weapons, in boxing you hit them with your fists, and in Judo you hit them with the earth. It's fricking brutal if you throw someone that doesn't know how to land.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    MT is the most effective striking MA, BJJ is the most effective grappling MA. I'd try both if I were you and do what's more fun. I didn't like MA when I did it for a few months.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I'd say catch wrestling, judo, or sambo are all better than bjj. It's literally the shittiest submission style.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Sambo doesn't have chokes, catch wrestling is low rivalry rubbish, judo isn't concentrated on submissions, teaches you to go turtle every fricking moment and doesn't have leg grabs

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    For well rounded self defense >69794216
    is correct. They fill different aspects of fighting so you shouldn't think of them as being mutually exclusive

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Judo

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >bjj
    >useless in a real fight

    >judo
    >boxing
    >muay thai
    >Can actualy beat up people with this

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      So you've never been in a streetfight.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    muay thai has everything that boxing has + kicks, elbows, knees and clinchs so i think its great

    bjj i think its more situational, so its great but should not be your only fightning technique

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Mostly. Before you call me a moron, hear me out:
      Boxing focuses MORE on head movement/evasion and defensively cares more about protecting the body.
      That said, boxing ignores defending against kicks completely.
      MT focuses more on protecting your head, eating a few body shots in favor of delivering counter punches or setting up a kick. Obviously checking kicks is a common practice.

      People argue as to the effective nature of kicks in a real-life setting. Some say it'll get you taken down to the ground. Some say if you stick to leg kicks you can buckle a boxers lead leg pretty easily.
      Go get in a fight with a few strangers in a parking lot and let me know what you find.

      Knees help in dealing with wrestlers/bjj I'd going for a takedown, but only if you are quick enough.

      Wrestling is pretty objectively useful, but MT and boxing are also unquestionably great for real world application. Bjj has its place. Many argue its useless in a street fight. I would say it never hurts to know, but I wouldn't rely on bjj alone, where wrestling/boxing/MT can stand on their own.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        People who argue against kicks have never been kicked in the leg by someone who knows how to kick. Getting kicked in the calf or side of the thigh fricking sucks. Same with people who say BJJ is useless. It has it's place and if you don't have any ground game you are going to get raped if it goes to the ground and the other guy knows BJJ and you only know how to suck off dudes on your knees.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I'm 6ft 260 lbs, mixture of fat and muscle (mostly fat). If I kick someone that is a normal size in their leg (back of thigh) I can literally sweep them off of their feet. Kicking someone in the head would probably be easy in a street fight too. Every noob that tries to defend against a kick does that thing where they close their eyes, flinch, look away from the attack, and they throw their arms out to try to catch/push the kick away. In training, everyone knows there's a possibility of a kick. In the street, nobody would even see it coming. Even if they did, such as in the case of throwing a kick and missing one or twice, they would still not know how to defend against it.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            A 260lbs man who is somewhat strong can be a real problem even if unskilled

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              yeah or they will be extremely uncoordinated and gas out immediately. It could go either way really. I've had matches with a bunch of different people of all body types differing in height, weight, limb length, muscle/fat composition. There doesn't appear to be any correlation whatsoever with someone's skill in fighting when looking at their body alone, although bigger guys do have more of a capability to do more damage in terms of raw force production. Feels good to be big and skilled though.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Forgot to add some interesting things.

                One guy I sparred/fought with a couple of times was a literal NFL athlete. He was slow, rigid, and could produce no power despite being almost entirely made of muscle and no fat. He had no fight coordination and couldn't punch his way out of a wet paper bag. He had fantastic nog genetics, but was absolutely perplexed when it came to fighting for some reason. He ended up in prison or I think he was on the run last I heard for killing one or two women. That was several years ago, he was probably caught.

                Another dude was like 6'4", a country bumpkin that everyone called bubba. Very scary looking guy that was all fat. He had no fight in him. I think he literally only threw like one punch the entire fight. He just stood there with his hands up almost completely frozen with the deer in headlights look. I was probably 100-150lbs lighter than him at the time.

                My cousin, who is maybe 5 inches shorter than me and that weighs around 100 lbs less than me is a BJJ purple belt. Rolled with him a few times and he could easily submit me within a minute or two. Kinda freaky how he was like a spider monkey that was dense muscle. One time I was just standing there trying to figure out how to attack him while he was on his back. I lightly touched one of his feet and he just spun around while on the ground and got me into some kind of leg lock while I was still standing. If he wanted to, he could have destroyed my knee.

                Rolled with a state champion wrestler I went to high school with. I had like 100 lbs on him, but he just went to town and pretty much threw me across the mat with little effort, going balls to the wall. Gassed out within a few minutes from exerting way too much. Still wouldn't fight him on the street though

                Pretty amazing how different everyone is when it comes to fighting.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah that's what I mean. If someone your size knows how to kick the other persons going to have a bad day.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    neither, do MMA. perks of both while mitigating the downsides. incorporating grappling means you don't bash your head constantly and get dementia at 35, while striking is good for self defense (grappling is completely useless outside of a controlled tournament environment)

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >grappling is completely useless outside of a controlled tournament environment
      Do cops and bouncers just bash people's heads in where you're from?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        you're neither a cop nor a bouncer. real life self defense situations go something like

        >be you
        >walking down the street
        >minding your own business
        >suddenly, three Black folk approach you
        >ayo gimme yo wallet whyboi

        the best thing you can do is run away. if you can't do that, you have to fight all three of them at once.

        BJJ essentially teaches you to get to the floor as quickly as possible, but that's the worst thing you can do when there's more than one attacker. cops and bouncers can do that because they have backup with them and/or guns, tasers and batons to get them out of a rapidly deteriorating situation.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          It's very obvious that you don't train frequently.

          I have a sore throat but it feels kinda ok with an occasional cough once morning is over with.

          should I down some dayquil go to my BJJ practice still? feels bad that I havent gone in 3 days already.

          Just stay home for one more day unless you're a competitor

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Not true. Self defense is a large spectrum, much like the one you're in, that goes from having to bash someone's brains in because they're trying to severely hurt you, to getting a drunk friend of a friend to stop being rowdy at a wedding. Splitting heads isn't always the best option, and using self-defense correctly is knowing how to read the room too.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            yes you fricking moron that's why I recommended MMA. it gives you the tools to bash five Black folk' heads in while also giving you the ability to tackle a drunk friend. BJJ aint gonna help you in a street fight

            learn 2 read you massive fricking sperg

            >3 melanin enriched gentlemen approach you
            >throw up hands because you have been boxing for 10 years
            >get shot, stabbed and looted

            If you honestly believe you are going to fight three future doctors and lawyers in a stand up fight you have been watching too many Jason Statham movies.

            read my post again.
            >the best thing you can do is run away
            I explicitly stated that fighting is only appropriate when you CAN NOT RUN AWAY. jesus christ maybe quit the weed and your attention span will stabilize enough for you to remember the two last sentences you read

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              I know exactly what I read. You are suggesting training based on a highly unlikely scenario where you are 90% fricked no matter what you do even if you have a gun. You parrot the same dribble that everyone who doesnt train parrots. "Go to the ground and get raped by everyone within a one mile radius." No ones going to pull guard in a 3 on 1. You flip that around to just a one on one and if that other guy has no ground game he is going to get oil checked.

              An actual realistic scenario is some bullshit scuffle because people are mad at a bar or outing and they scrap until people break it up.

              I'll give you this because it goes both ways. In a fight if some guy only knows BJJ and the other guy boxes and he cant get him to the ground, the BJJ guy is going to eat his teeth.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >train mma
              >bjj sucks

              The frick are you even talking about. Go to any high level "MMA" gym and the two systems that make up their "MMA" training are going to be Muay Thai and BJJ. BJJ is MMA when paired with another system you fricking moron.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >3 melanin enriched gentlemen approach you
          >throw up hands because you have been boxing for 10 years
          >get shot, stabbed and looted

          If you honestly believe you are going to fight three future doctors and lawyers in a stand up fight you have been watching too many Jason Statham movies.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          This 100%. Sometimes you literally can't win no matter what. If you're worried about things like that, situational awareness is your best friend. Anyone that is regularly in situations like this will tell you the same thing. This includes cops, soldiers, security, etc. Travel with a group of people that are ready for the shit. Be aware of everything. Don't go where there is a likelihood of violence. Be prepared for it all the time even if you're not expecting it. Make training both unarmed and with weapons a lifestyle rather than a hobby. If you get robbed, just give them your shit and be on your way. Don't be a hero.

          Not true. Self defense is a large spectrum, much like the one you're in, that goes from having to bash someone's brains in because they're trying to severely hurt you, to getting a drunk friend of a friend to stop being rowdy at a wedding. Splitting heads isn't always the best option, and using self-defense correctly is knowing how to read the room too.

          This is also true. Having some fighting skill and the ability to defuse morons will handle the vast majority of the encounters you'll ever come across. Weapons are important though. Something like 1/3rd of gun owners have had to use their weapon in some way, whether that be brandishing, shooting, pointing it at someone, etc.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >BJJ essentially teaches you to get to the floor as quickly as possible,
          The entire focus on the white belt learning is getting off the ground. Its all ways to escape/defend, sweep and get on your feet. Of the two options for OP i would very much recommend muay thai but that doesn't mean making up utter lies to justify it.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Didn't realize you're a challenged individual. Nevermind.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine wasting time going to bjj and MT and not just doing mma

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      oh yeah why learn to be good at a combat sport when you could be shit at multiple

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw used to practice judo
    >move
    >now can only do bjj
    >went from lifting 100kg+ dudes, explosiveness, stamina to barely moving with IT twinks
    >they all pull guard

    I miss judo. BJJ is cool but it’s like light beer when you want liquor

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      BJJ really needs to implement a rule for daki age like judo has. If being lifted off the ground to your opponent's shoulders counted as a submission people would immediately stop the bullshit of constantly pulling guard.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        They just need to give 2 points to your opponent if you pull guard (i.e. identical to if they had thrown you), and another 2 points if they lift you past their hips in daki age. I don't think it needs to count as a submission, because it doesn't immediately end a real fight any more than another similarly big throw would.
        But just giving points means that guys with no standing game can still win by tactically losing points to go for a submission, but it at least provides a disincentive.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Fricking LMAO. I was discussing this with my girlfriend the other day and she got offended cause I said greco roman wrestling (and any wrestling) was leages above BJJ in intensity.

      You go from using your entire body to literally fight an aggresive human being with all your might, to laying on your side while fighting wrist grips.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Training BJJ sounds gay af other than techniques you learn to break someones arm or leg or put them to sleep. Grappling is on a whole other level when it comes to physical intensity. MT is on a whole other level than boxing also. Grappling + MT + basic BJJ is probably all you need.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Fricking LMAO. I was discussing this with my girlfriend the other day and she got offended cause I said greco roman wrestling (and any wrestling) was leages above BJJ in intensity.

          You go from using your entire body to literally fight an aggresive human being with all your might, to laying on your side while fighting wrist grips.

          Jiu jitsu is grappling. I wish casuals would just stfu, you have no idea what you're talking about

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            weak bait

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >You go from using your entire body to literally fight an aggresive human being with all your might, to laying on your side while fighting wrist grips.
        lmao 100%. You learn Greco-Roman rasslin in Muay Thai clinches don't you? I was doing Thai for a while, focusing on lifting for a bit before I go back. But being able to yeet someone to the ground is way better than coiling around them and likely getting kicked in the head by one of their mates.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I'm having a rough time finding a pure boxing gym near me, but there are dozens of MMA gyms. It's there a way to find out if an MMA gym focuses on practical application instead of sport?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      All MMA is applicable to real life. Just don't go to some pussy gym where they're all 100 lb twinks that only go to post it on social media and play patty cake with gloves to look like athletes. Make sure to go to the place that looks like a complete shithole and that has a bunch of students that train there that have gone to jail, have been injured, and are aggressive and tough. Go to a place that barely has any functional equipment or a place where all the equipment is old and used up. Find a place where the main selling point is that it has space to fight with a pad on the ground and it's simply a gathering spot for the guys.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      MMA is a sport, the frick you mean "practical application instead of sport" you moron

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        To melt faces.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Most MMA gyms have system specific classes. You can choose to go to a muay Thai class or a bjj class. They usually have separate people teaching each so they aren't integrated into one class.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Is there a way to find out if an MMA gym focuses on practical application instead of sport?

    An MMA gym is the closest thing to practicing irl self defense. To be good at fighting, you first have to learn how to fight and spar, which you do in MMA. There are a few rules differentiating irl fighting vs MMA - like no headbutts, groin shots, throut shots, biting, vertical elbow shots on the ground and eye gauging. Learn how to fight first and then think about this extra stuff that they dont teach you.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Is Judo good for someone who is interested in BJJ but doesn’t like crotchsniffing and laying chest to chest with other sweaty men?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Yes judo is far superior in all aspects, including that one.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      dude just jerk off beforehand and you dont have to worry about getting hard from it

      gay

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Nah, BJJ is objectively gay

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >blowjobjob

          yeah if you do it as a guy youre pretty gay bro

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >He goes to BJJ reeking of cum

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Closet gay. Come out already, IST still loves you.

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Just do boxing

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    op here, only one mma gym in my area and its filled with shitters so im looking at other options. Im currently in wrestling rn but seasons gonna end in a month, so im looking for more MA to study and be good at.

    i see a lot of ppl saying do judo, no judo in my area but my wrestling coaches drill a lot of throws, not the same thing but in the same area ig

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I have a sore throat but it feels kinda ok with an occasional cough once morning is over with.

    should I down some dayquil go to my BJJ practice still? feels bad that I havent gone in 3 days already.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      you shouldn't spar with big wieners before your purple belt

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly the two things are so different and practical in their own right that it's hard to imagine you wouldn't have a personal preference as to whether you'd rather roll or spar. Just go with whichever sounds more fun for you. Training one for years is gonna be a lot more effective than half assing the other for six months then getting bored because you don't like the physical act of training.

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Depends on your goals.
    >I want to have fun and be a better grappler
    Sounds like you enjoy grappling, so try BJJ. Wrestlers have a huge advantage when learning BJJ. Find a good BJJ school that has no-gi classes and competitors. In a major city, it should be easy to find many. Good gyms also train standing techniques, which a lot of people say is the issue with BJJ (they're morons)
    >I want to know how to fight
    If you're a decent wrestler, you could likely kick most people's asses already. Try some MT classes to see if you like it. Many grapplers find value in the training, but sparring is something you have to be very careful with. Personally, I'd usually prefer to roll/wrestle because you can go pretty hard without fricking rattling your brain

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >already have a background in wrestling
    I'd go for BJJ. Pairing BJJ (particularly No-Gi) and Wrestling is great.

    You're gonna be surprised how easy you'll take down even upper belts. That said, once you're on the ground you'll probably get subbed by a noob guard player. Also you're gonna have to learn to deal with the habit of giving up your back and thinking you're safe. Also enjoy dealing with pesky leg lockers. You'll probably get blue belt level pretty quick though.

    Once you get a hang of the submission and BJJ grappling aspect of fighting, you could start to build towards an MMA style if you want. Get the basics of striking. Implement ground and pound technique and wall work. You can use your striking to set up your grappling. You can also let your opponent's fear of your grappling allow you to improve your striking in a way.

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    One of my neighbors in this apartment building keeps throwing extremely muddy clothes or shoes or something into our shared washer, filling the washer with mud and getting mud stains all over my gi when I wash it. It happened for a third time last night and it's pissing me off so badly, I'm going to knock on everyone's door today and kindly but firmly ask them to stop being so moronic and inconsiderate

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    mt focus, bjj on the side maybe. wrestling is better but both work, bjj is more technical. you can put either or as a focus though, i personally just loathe grappling, muay thai almost instantly clicked with me

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    If you want to win fights at a bar, Muay Thai.

    If you want to defend your family when you don’t have a gun on you, or for non lethal control, then BJJ.

    Basically, if you’re a boy then MT. If you’re a man then BJJ.

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    i do boxing, but i really want to do boxing and judo together. unfortunately my budget doesnt allow this, it seems like it would be very beneficial and fun

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I too have a wrestling background. Thinking about joining a MT gym. There's a bunch of BJJ gyms near me but they don't look all that great. There's a MT gym 1 hour drive away that I'm tempted to commute to 2-3x a week. But damn that's a lot of time investment. Not sure if it would be worth it.

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >left pic
    >chad whos comfortable shaving his head like a man and about to submit a beautiful white female until she gives up fighting

    >right pic
    >one dude who hasnt accepted his balding fighting a Hispanic and getting a brain injury with every jab to his skull and no woman in sight

    you choose, white man

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      irony of it all is that most martial arts sports are dominated by hispanics

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    doing any training will give you a big edge over untrained people so you shouldnt care too much about that, besides avoiding nonsense arts without full contact sparring and hitting the head.

    BJJ goes better with lifting routines than muay thai/kickboxing because of the cardio and conditioning the latter requires.
    BJJ might have gayer shittier people at the gyms, prices may vary. muay thai probably has a bigger learning curve than BJJ in the beginning due to the amount of shit that goes into it. if you want to compete then BJJ is much more accessible.

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why would you want to? Do you enjoy it? Do you want to get better at self defense?

    I do MMA (and basically split into striking classes, which are muay thai, and grappling, which is BJJ/wrestling). I love it. I enjoy the sport. I love the confidence I get from it. I love knowing I can murk anybody on the street. It doesn't give you the most aesthetic body if that's why you work out. And if you don't like the pain, or don't care about self defense/the sport, you'll hate it.

    Tldr: try it. If you like it, do it. If not, dont.

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Frankly if you're doing it for self-defense, muy thai will hep you keep safer.

    BJJ is better 1v1 but any conflict you wind up in "in da streets" isn't gonna be just one guy in a cage, it's gonna be some drunk idiot who won't let you walk away, and if you get him in a submission or on the ground all his buddies are gonna jump in and try to peel you off of him while he beats you and they likely do too. Muy thai lets you move away from the guy and also if he grabs onto you muy thai does lots and lots of clinch work. Any random dude who grabs you you just grab the back of his head and force it down and knee him in the face a bunch.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You don't need to know muay thai to run away from someone. This thread is full of martial artlet casual morons.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Cool but in reality most cases of assault happen before you can run away because they start with a sucker punch.

        t. I'm literally a bouncer

  28. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Is it over for me if
    >have mild brittle bone disease
    >snapped my ACL & meniscus in a Muay Thai sparring, years ago
    >Want to go back to either Muay Thai, or learn judo
    ? I don't want to enter snap city again with my knees, although unlike before, I do some weightlifting now and have strengthened my legs after surgery.

  29. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    UHHH.. MT BROS??

  30. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    NO NOT LIKE THIS MT SISTERS.. ITS MT IS DEFINITELY MORE MANLY...

  31. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    MT BROS. AT LEAST WE KNOW BJJ HAS NO REAL USE IN REAL FI-

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      That was Wrestling LMAO.
      Point status: proven. BJJ is pretty fringe at best, now VAMOOSE

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        That was a bow and arrow choke you uneducated c**t. Can't be executed without chothes on (Gi). It's a JiuJitsu submission and straight up can't be executed in wrestling because you need some kind of material to grab on to pull.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      the smaller guys are mma fighters and the bigger guys are football players

  32. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    BJJ is only useful for like 1 or 2 years max.

  33. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I like both cuz i get to smell other men *sniiiiiiif!*

  34. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Muay Thai if you're tough enough. BJJ alone is for arrogant homosexuals.

  35. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    change MT to boxing
    and do bjj

  36. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Should I do civilian krav maga or combine MT + BJJ? I only have time for one option

  37. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    A guy working in the assault and riot police department in my country told me they are trained in boxing and judo.

  38. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Based on that image alone one of them will teach you how to choke women. Pick that one.

  39. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    If you want to protect yourself in da hood just learn how to use a weapon you morons. I'm no amerimutt but if you're fighting people empty handed in the street there is a good chance you will die. If you enjoy practicing hand to hand combat then of course do martial arts but don't walk around on the streets thinking you are Batman because you trained some martial arts in your safe, air conditioned gym. Because you are gonna find your brain splattered on the side walk with that attitude one day.

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