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so are they a main lift or not?
bent overs? no. pendlay? closer but probably still no. chest supported? probably the best you're getting for a horizontal pull.
main lift for back pain, yes
Yeah I said fuck this, last session.
Fucking my lower back is retarded. Might as well do any other variation that doesn't screw your back.
do pulley row, barbell rows are retarded, especially for a beginner
Do them with the weight resting on the floor like deads and it reduces a kot of the stress.
If you can deadlift 300+ without fucking up your lower back then there is no reason you cant do 200+ rows frok the floor.
I've literally never gotten lower back pain doing these in all my years.
Do pendley rows instead, also check your form and don't ego lift
Back day strengthes your back, stop fear mongering
Only if you’re not a dyel weak beta bitchboy
Well you never anyone brag about someone making a 1-rep max on rows, do you?
Depends but Seal Rows can be more measurable but more difficult to implement. You could also say that the main lifts are Snatch , Clean and Jerk and assistance lifts are Squats, Pulls, Push Press,Power Cleans , Power Snatches just saying.
If you’re a StrongLifts pussy yes
Honestly, they are really only for strength. Wide grip pullups do way more for aesthetics and allow you to do more volume.
I find the landmine row more fun, and I feel it in my legs more since it feels similar to a deadlift.
Looks like an exercise for pantyboys.
If you're doing Deadlifts and squats heavy, chest supported rows are better imo
I did them for a year, reached almost 2pl8s, then a tendon in my front delt started hurting while doing em
Chest supported snatch grips rows, yes.
Pullups and its variations are god tier for lats (width), but for rear delts, traps (specially mid and lower), and rhomboids, which all contribute to back thickness, you need rows.
No. Honestly, pretty much every single non-bent over/non-self-stabilizing row is better. Heck, even almost every other version where you are still bent over and loading the spine is way better.
Landmine T-Bar rows are way better, one arm dumbbell rows are way better.
Inverted rows are way better, probably the best overall if you find a way to load them, followed by one arm row followed by seated cable row.
You don't even actually need to do rows, pull ups/chin ups and a combination of face pulls and upright rows will get you more and better targeted back development.
Kroc rows are superior.
Otherwise horizontal rows on the rings or smith machine are better.
and weighted chinups
Heavy cable rows for me
I love yates rows and t bar rows
>Do T bar row with rope grip
>Watch grip strength go through the roof
I've never viewed them as anything more than a deadlift accessory, even when I was a newbie on SL.
I did t-bars with a rope for a while, but found my lats got way stronger just doing them by holding the bar directly.
yes but also no.
I consider rows + weighted pull ups combined to equal one main lift
>he doesn't consider every single lift as important as another, as long as it works towards the goal in mind
NGMI fr fr no cap, mid af
Thoughts on meadows rows and pendlay rows?
In terms of functionality, yes. Any well-rounded routine should have pullups and rows, vertical and horizontal pulls, to balance out the vertical and horizontal pushes that are OHP and bench.
the issue is that rows get swept under the rug because there's a million different variations on how to do them and no clear defined "rules" on how do to do them. But that shit is just autism, just do rows whatever way works for you and make sure you can progress on them while keeping form consistent.
just do db rows
Change to t bar row
my wrists hate these for some reason, i have to do them underhand
I started doing more cheaty style rows that Cailer Woolam talked about in some of his videos, and it blew up my deadlift. I also got some aesthetics gains from it I’d say. Also ofc gotta do Kroc rows.
Yeah, I’m going to do the today, feels good man
They are simply because they are a great compound movement that requires a lot of muscles to work together.
Why people don't look at them seriously for competition like bench, squat or dl is because you can cheat the movement easily so it would be hard to judge it properly.
Rows don't get the credit they deserve.
T bar rows and kroc rows big dick vibes only
JFL at bent over rows, it's pendley rows or nothing
Should you be doing only one variation of rows or multiple in a program? Ive been doing Yates and I instantly felt my back getting worked harder than when I was doing Pendlays but I know its only hitting one portion of my back.
change it every few months or so
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