So we know Minoxidl and Finasteride don't actually regrow any hair and at most stall the process, while presenting nasty side effects too.

So we know Minoxidl and Finasteride don't actually regrow any hair and at most stall the process, while presenting nasty side effects too. Has anyone managed to reverse their thinning by other means? Hair transplants don't actually work either because that's still your balding follicles getting transplanted, at most it will stall the balding but you're still balding. And they'll still force you to take finasteride after a transplant.

  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I just realized I'm almost like your pic. What should I do?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      oral minoxidil fren don't go over 5mg per dose, but you can try 2.5mg twice a day after being on 2.5mg once daily after a few months.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      keep it or shave it or get a toupe. pattern baldness doesnt look bad its masculine but its up to you

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        we're reaching cope levels that shouldn't even be possible

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Finasteride is safe. Stop this.

      MPB does not occur in individuals with normal thyroidal function.

      No.

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    MPB does not occur in individuals with normal thyroidal function.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >MPB does not occur in individuals with normal thyroidal function.
      my thyroid is fucked and besides some mild receding on either sides, at the age of 31. Besides that its all ok, ofc Im working on keeping the current state as long as possible

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      can doing cardio fix your thyroid ?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        No.
        Dietary changes and maybe some temporary medication. But also that guy is full of shit, although thyroid health is very important (vital) so you might as well be careful from now on.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Thyroid is fine
      >Hairline is fucked
      You're an idiot

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Explain

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      fucking hell do i need to supplement iodine now too

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah i regrew my hair with fin and min

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      same

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Just like the roasty meme.
      It needs more "you can't tell women what to do!"

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous
  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    They do regrow it though.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Proof?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      they can regrow a little, but they will not restore most of your hair unless you're one of the rare hyperresponders.

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Minoxidl regrows hair, but hair will fall out once you stop it. Finasteride pauses hair loss, but it will resume when you stop it.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      mino fucks up your heart
      fina fucks up your hormones

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >mino fucks up your heart
        That's the kind that you rub on your head? How does it fuck with your heart?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          If you touch fentanyl you can have a lethal heart attack. Just because a drug is topical doesn't mean it doesn't reach the bloodstream.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          It has a black box warning for cardiac tamponade. But that's with systemic (oral) minixodil rather than the topical stuff. And even if taken orally it's only a concern on large doses like 40mg. Meanwhile the people that use oral minoxidil for hair loss are typically taking 0.25mg to 1mg, not high enough to have the heart side effects be a thing.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            I've had greater sides on topical min than on oral min lol.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Minoxidl regrows hair
      No it doesn't, it just temporarily slows down balding and more than half of who take it are non-responders.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >No it doesn't, it just temporarily slows down balding and more than half of who take it are non-responders.

        Cope.

        https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/18/health/minoxidil-hair-loss-pills.html

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >nytimes.com
          Looks like you're the one coping.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            cope more chud

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Nice, I was just about to post about this, apparently a low dose minix pill (think it was 1/20 or 1/40 normal dose) was found to regrow hair better than topical and the pill had virtually no sides.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Minoxidil absolutely regrows hair, thats what rogaine is retard.
      Why do people make posts about substances they know NOTHING about?

      I have been using minoxidl on my hair for like a year, and it works. effect is mild bu there is definitely improvement. The thinning parts of my hairline has started growing long again. I can say that for sure because I have an identical twin who doesnt use it and the results are clear. I rub it on my head once a day, %5. does not cause ED,
      But agian, my balding is mild, its just the hairline receeding and none of my grandpas went bald, but my father did, so im using just in case.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Does it make your hair greasy?

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just wear a wig fool.

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >while presenting nasty side effects too
    Seriously, I don't know a single guy taking it with side effects. I'm on FIN since 2020 and recently stopped as there must be off cycles. Hair looks great, penor responds fast and I last on bed, gains going up, dont feel tired, no manboobs. Perhaps the only thing I've suffered is getting it a bit harder to reduce fat in the belly.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Seriously, I don't know a single guy taking it with side effects
      its not hard when you know nobody even taking it

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        I take fin 1mg/day with no sides other than my normally light hair becoming darker

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Finasteride makes you last longer in bed?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      There's always plenty of shills on IST, tressless and the hairloss forums that claim they took 0.002mg of topical finasteride and became full on trannies. My guess is that those are the very same kind of shills who make demoralization threads on IST all day. As they say, misery loves company (and actively works to increase it).

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      You sound kind of ‘tarded though.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Same here, No side-effect PLUS my hair is growing back.
      Lmaoing at "men" who are scared of side-effects

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah bro like wtf is everyone on about. I'm a smoker with a thyroid disorder and still didn't get any sides from fin. Are all the people who complain about sides ultra low test obese boomers?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Same here, No side-effect PLUS my hair is growing back.
      Lmaoing at "men" who are scared of side-effects

      it's literally crabs who seethe about people taking command of their lives and making an effort to regrow their hair instead of wallowing self-pity like them. they talk up the side effects (despite the facts and literature about side effects readily available to deboonk them) and immediately call you a chud.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Same here, No side-effect PLUS my hair is growing back.
      Lmaoing at "men" who are scared of side-effects

      side effects are given in 1 in100, 1 in 1000 etc.
      ofc not everybody has side effects your anecdotal evidence is pointless
      you have a chance of them which is very clearly given by the producer
      personally im on topical fin and i have no side effects but they still exist making fun of people not taking it because of SE is stupid

      https://i.imgur.com/l2yb07c.jpg

      >15 months on fin and 10 on minoxidil
      >BELOW BASELINE
      So, I've got diffuse hair loss, and on top of that, I'm a non-responding outlier.
      I'm getting tired of these battles.

      are you needling?
      RU is great for diffuse hair loss

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I was noticing hair loss a few years back. My barber actually pointed it out. I stopped taking creatine and the hair loss stopped. Not saying I am CERTAIN that creatine was the cause. But it seemed like a major coincidence if it wasn’t creatine. Could have been something else I suppose

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Same story here

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I stopped taking creatine for fear of hair loss. Now I don't know what to do with it.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Creatine 100% exacerbates hair loss.

  10. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    what are the actual negative side effects of minoxidil? topically?

  11. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hit 32 and suddenly rapidly approaching a bad territory. Even my barber commented. Is there anything I can do or just enjoy the last few years? I don't don't give that much of a shit about shaving because I'm already married. But wouldn't mind keeping hair, because I believe good looks give you a slight boost in all socail interactions even career wise.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >suddenly rapidly approaching a bad territory.
      Been there, you're already losing the battle.
      Make a decision now, it's either the buzz or the meds. I went with the buzz because I have a good face and cranium shape.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        That bad? Luckily I tall enough to where no one can see it if I'm standing. But the fact that I know that means I'm self conscious about it.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, that bad because you're at the tipping point to where it becomes irreversible.
          It won't look as bad as it is for another 1~1.5 year.
          I'm not trying to scare you, I'm just warning you so it doesn't suddenly hit you and you go through denial for a couple of months then; been there done that. In the end my luck is that I don't give a fuck about having hair or not. If you do then you should consider taking the pills now and not later, because it won't magically stop on its own.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            No I get it. I see pictures and I know I'm basically at the top of the roller coaster. Thanks. I wouldn't care if it was just receding a bit, but the thinning is what's bad.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      lose the belly first

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Bro first kid plus being 30 hit my metabolism like a truck, this is actaully the endgame of my fat episode.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          I've got 3 working on 4 now. Im 35. Squats, deadlifts, and sprints my friend. Eat well. I still drink too much but its much less than it was and its bourbon instead of like 4 beers a day or more. The longer you wait the longer it will take to get presentable. It helps to find a hobby or sport you need to be fit for, I play lacrosse. Hoping that will keep me going this time around.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Good on you. I just got back into Kayaking as I found a really close by boat slip.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Make your own topical finasteride by putting 2 or 3 mg into a minoxidil or the better one bottle. It will give you 2 1ml drops a day and you won't get the side effects because the scalp dosage will be low enough to only block dht there and not entire body

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        I've been on 10 years of fin+minox topical foam, doesn't work. It may have slowed down but i keep lossing hair. I still have hair at 33 but im lossing it. Im going to need a fucking transplant in some years.

        Oral fin will 100% give you sides eventually, just takes time.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          You need to switch to dutasteride if fin alone isn't working for you.
          Also fin only gives sides to 2-4% according to various studies. Stop trying to demoralize.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            I have topical dut as well, I use it once a week.
            Studies are retarded, also most people are low inhibition npcs to even realize they have sides.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              >I have topical dut as well, I use it once a week.
              Then take it orally and drop the fin.
              >Studies are retarded
              Still more trustworthy than random youtube channels/blogs about big pharma garden gnomes who somehow make billions with generic fin.
              >also most people are low inhibition npcs to even realize they have sides.
              I'm sure plenty of npc are hyperchonders who easily get nocebo effects.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                You'll get sides from having the DHT of a 12yo korean girl
                >inb4 muh studies

                >It miniaturizes if you don't use 5ar blockers.
                But if scalp tension theory was true, you wouldn't need to use a 5ar inhibitor for the scalp hair that was transported to other places of your body since it would get plenty of nutrients and oxygen there.

                There's more reductase in MPB prone areas. Now if that is due the tension on the skin or not I don't know.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      There are specific massages you can do to reverse the wrinkling and hair loss

      https://perfecthairhealth.com/

  12. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.reddit.com/r/tressless/comments/r1xy4o/4_months_progress_dutasteride_every_other_day/

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I take dut EOD and don't have anywhere near those results. That guy is just an anomaly.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        He's not. The reason is that he's young.
        Min and fin can give great regrowth if you have lost the hair within 3 years ago. At most, you only seem to regain what you lost 5 years ago. It's a bit longer for guys who bald very very slow.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Go back gay

  13. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Minoxidil absolutely regrows hair, thats what rogaine is retard.
    Why do people make posts about substances they know NOTHING about?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Does it break your penis?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        No and neither does Finasteride.
        Stop reading retarded shit on IST and actually talk to a doctor.
        If Fin gives you ED its likely not because of Fin, but because you read something online and you believed it will break your dick. If the drug actually does, then its most likely because you are very low T and already have problems.
        I've taken Fin and Min for 3 years and not a single difference in my day to day life.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Does rubbing cream on your scalp affect your penis?

          I don't know what studies to trust. On one hand I think that it could be a false correlation of men being at the age to start balding are also in the age to start having ED. Or that the same aging processes cause both symptoms.

          On the other I know pharmacetical companies can just do the "nah bro this study (we tottaly didn't fund through a shell corporation) said its fine.

          But I'm willing to give it a go. I already dicked girls in college and I have a 2nd kid on the way. If anything appearing more youthful could help me career wise and with kids sex is pretty sparse as is.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            id say dont do it. Its not like it affecting hormones is only going to affect your dick. Its going to affect all aspects of your life, your drive to improve, to work, to provide for your family, to be a man pretty much. If you already have kids just accept it, im 22 and I dont care so I dont get why you would risk to modify your hormones and your life for a few fucking hair follicles.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              DHT type 2 isn't really needed for adult men after the age of 25. Besides, finasteride doesn't just stop hairloss but also prevents prostate cancer down the line.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >finasteride doesn't just stop hairloss but also prevents prostate cancer
                >taking a drug that is designed to alleviate prostate swelling from cancer will prevent you getting cancer
                top fucking kek

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                DHT is responsible for prostate growth which is why so many men get prostate cancer eventually. Finasteride decreases your DHT by 2/3.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, taking a drug which heavily reduces the growth of prostate gland cells does in fact reduce the rate of cancer development in the prostate, unsurprisingly.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                idk do whatever you want, maybe im paranoid but i dont trust shit like this. I try to stay away from those kinds of things if i can help it

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            if you’re talking about min there is literally no way for min to give you ED, min related sides tend to be heart related

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              Not him but doesn't min lower blood pressure?
              It's a vasodilator, I can see how in particularly bad cases it might give someone ED.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >it didn't happen to me so its not true
          I'm not even risking that shit, there are a few people in studies that took placebo it happened to but it was much more using the real drug. Its about a 1 in 5 chance.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Fin raises normal test because it doesn’t get converted into DHT.
          The people who get PFS are already low test and often taking an SSRI as well.

          That being said, catching it early and using topical is the best bet.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Does rubbing cream on your scalp affect your penis?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          FTM chuds and lowtests rub testosterone on their skin if they don’t want injections and grow scrawny mustaches.
          Topical fin can lower overall DHT at high enough doses. But at low doses it doesn’t matter. DHT is basically a poison anyways.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            When DHT gets blocked it turns into test but the body raises estrogen to balance. Why does no one know the basics of this stuff?

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              Which is why you take topical, and you start early so that a low dose works.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yep, I've been saying that to everyone lately

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              My e is still at the bottom end of the range on fin, just dont be obese and you'll be fine. Lowering dht also reduces some estrogenic mechanisms so it balances out so long as you're actually healthy

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Been on it for a while now and my erections are still rock hard. Likely the dudes that get boner problems from it already had sexual dysfunction to begin with. Low T soiboy type dudes

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Proof that it regrows hair? Every single minoxidl/finasteride "hair recovery journey" documented out there ends in disaster or the person giving up. And most report that minoxidl stops working after a while even for responders. Minoxidl never regrows hair. regrowing or magically creating new hair follicles is not a thing.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >ends in disaster
        Proof?
        >And most report that minoxidl stops working after a while even for responders.
        Proof?
        >regrowing or magically creating new hair follicles is not a thing.
        Minoxidil (and even just fin) work great for regrowing hair. You also don't magically create new follicles, you just reactivate them with the right regime (fin, min, dermarolling etc.)

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Proof?
          Follow any hair loss "journey" online (youtube/blogs/etc.) Not a single one ends well, either the person just stops updating with him saying he's still balding/thinning before or he just shaves it all eventually. No winners. Hell, even people who opt for hair transplant STILL has to be forced to take meds like finasteride.
          >Proof?
          This is pretty common minoxidl knowledge that even its users will admit. Google minoxidl not working anymore and look how many of its real users (not shills) in forums, comments, social media says it stops working. Even peddlers of mino admit yeah it stops working up to a point. It's not hyperbole, it's just common knowledge. Unlike Mino magically making new hair which has never been proven. It only stalls hair loss, not actually grow anything.
          >reactivate
          Not a thing. Also if you're combining it with other stuff like finasteride and dermarolling how do you know if Min is even doing anything or if it's not caused by the other factors involved

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Fin will also stop working at one point tresslees is full of people having to increase to dut or other things. Cause they don't actually address the real problem. DHT is not the real problem just the thing that exaggerates hairloss in men. Woman thin and receide too! Look at any woman above 30 most have high hairlines and thinning/receding going on.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Fin will also stop working at one point tresslees is full of people having to increase to dut or other things.
              Because their DHT sensitivity was too strong. Fin doesn't work for everyone because it only reduces your DHT count by 2/3 (on the scalp by 40-50%). For most people that's enough.
              >Cause they don't actually address the real problem.
              You mean muh evil scalp tension which has been disproven over and over again?
              >Woman thin and receide too! Look at any woman above 30 most have high hairlines and thinning/receding going on.
              Women face the same issues with DHT sensitivity and hormone inbalances.

              of course fin stops working eventually but the point is moot. my dad has taken fin for 30 years and after 30 years it stopped working for him, its like who gives a shit at that point lmao

              There's no study that says it eventually stops working. Also did your father take fin since it came out or something?

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >You mean muh evil scalp tension which has been disproven over and over again?
                there's thousands of people that do scalp massage and have success. plebtard. no non-npc cares about your stupid Merck and Phizer funded science papers that prove "Fin is safe and effective!" okay.

                > There's no study
                Show me the study!!! you should start being a vegan too. you sound like one.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >there's thousands of people that do scalp massage and have success.
                Post a few with progress pics/vids then 😉
                Besides, there's no a single study which indicates that massaging helps.
                > no non-npc cares about your stupid Merck and Phizer funded science papers that prove "Fin is safe and effective!" okay.
                Still waiting for that Great Reset m8.
                Weren't you "non-npc" (who believe whatever Russian conspiracy blogs/youtubers are telling them) predicting that to occur every month since January 2021?
                >Show me the study!!!
                https://www.oatext.com/Long-term-(10-year)-efficacy-of-finasteride-in-523-Japanese-men-with-androgenetic-alopecia.php
                >you should start being a vegan too. you sound like one.
                I like meat too much.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Post a few with progress pics/vids then 😉
                i don't got time to spoonfeed you. there is enough info for you to find it on your own in this thread. if you cant find it then you are pleb IQ

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Everytime a mino/fin guy gets asked for proof this is the same response. All bark, no bite. There's always zero proof.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Everytime a mino/fin guy gets asked for proof this is the same response. All bark, no bite. There's always zero proof.
                go search yourself dude. do you know how to fucking browse the internet? can you use search engines? can you ask afucking question or not? there's proof for both fin/min and scalp massage everywhere. but I guess you are too fucking stupid to type a sentence into duckduckgo

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Never seen anyone succeed with the scalp massage thing + seems like a pain to do, not worth it imo.
                Finasteride is a gamble honestly, not risk free, but depending on your situation it can be worth taking.
                Finasteride theme song: https://youtu.be/g4ouPGGLI6Q
                In terms of sides 1/4 will experience really awful side effects, 2/3 mild side effects and a little less than 1/5 will have barely nothing (with some rare cases of increase in libido)
                In terms of loss and regrowth and stagnation in hair loss with very mild regrowth, 1/3 will will continue to lose, 1/2 stagnation of hairloss and little less than 1/5 will experience real regrowth.
                This is from observation and experience from being on hairloss groups every day for 3 years now, it's more valuable than studies.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                i spend 20 minutes a day max doing scalp massages. and they are benifical for my meditation and yoga practise too. so its a win either way. anyway I can do scalp massage while i watch a show or youtube video.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                he's a doctor so he's been taking it for a long time. he just told me to take it and stop being a pussy

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            of course fin stops working eventually but the point is moot. my dad has taken fin for 30 years and after 30 years it stopped working for him, its like who gives a shit at that point lmao

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Follow any hair loss "journey" online (youtube/blogs/etc.
            What a trustworthy source!
            >Not a single one ends well, either the person just stops updating with him saying he's still balding/thinning before or he just shaves it all eventually.
            I've seen plenty of threads on r/tressless with massive improvements thanks to fin/min etc. Your anecdotal evidence means jack shit compared to mine which actually has progress pics.
            >Hell, even people who opt for hair transplant STILL has to be forced to take meds like finasteride.
            Because otherwise the hair behind the transplanted area continues to recede.
            >Google minoxidl not working anymore and look how many of its real users (not shills) in forums, comments, social media says it stops working.
            Mostly for topical minox. Oral minox doesn't have such reported efficiency losses.
            >It's not hyperbole, it's just common knowledge.
            Common knowledge is also that demoralizers need to be stabbed to death.
            >Unlike Mino magically making new hair which has never been proven.
            Making new hair grow has been proven over and over again in minox studies. You can also follow progress pics everywhere.
            >It only stalls hair loss, not actually grow anything.
            It literally regrew hair for me.
            >Not a thing.
            It is.
            >Also if you're combining it with other stuff like finasteride and dermarolling how do you know if Min is even doing anything or if it's not caused by the other factors involved
            Fin has a 2/3 chance of regrowth. Oral minox a 98% chance.

  14. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hey matey! This board is for fitness not a place where bald people discuss taking pills to regrow dead skin cells. Enjoy your day.

  15. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Since this is the designated baldie cope thread, I just got a haircut and toon a pic of the the back of my head to see if she did what i wanted and I saw this. Wtf is this?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Here's a pic i outdoor lighting for comparison. Is it just the light or do I have some weird bald streak on the back of my head?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's prob just from a hat eraserhead

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't wear hats.

        [...]
        It's literally nothing, anon. Enjoy your full head of hair.

        I'll do my best, anon.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/uhUcfIP.jpg

      Here's a pic i outdoor lighting for comparison. Is it just the light or do I have some weird bald streak on the back of my head?

      It's literally nothing, anon. Enjoy your full head of hair.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      bro look like a thumb thumb from spy kids

  16. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >22yo
    >this hairline
    >175cm
    fuck my shit up. Somehow I still get girls. Go to the gym, get a good job, start nofap and be arrogant as fuck with girls. I've been balding since 16, thank god I was able to grow a beard since that age too. I actually had a 2 with 0 sides guard buzzcut all highschool and was still pretty popular.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      that's like the stereotypical sleezball villain hairline, brutal

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        then just become a fucking movie villain, who tf cares. Not going to lie, Im insecure because of it sometimes too, but gnomish chemicals arent the answer. Fuck that. Did u draw a bad hand with hair genetics? Whatever, improve more in other areas that are under your control. Be thankful to God that you didnt draw a bad hand looks-wise while being a woman, that would be a ton worse.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >but gnomish chemicals arent the answer.
          How is fin/min gnomish again? And why wouldn't they be the answer since they work perfectly well for their intended purpose?
          >Be thankful to God that you didnt draw a bad hand looks-wise while being a woman, that would be a ton worse.
          A 4/10 woman can still get a 6/10 to fuck her and a 5/10 guy to marry her. As a 4/10 guy your options are limited to 2-3/10 girls.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >dont fucking take gnomish chemicals
            I bet you use ~~*toothpaste*~~ don't you, stupid goy?
            >You either have it or you dont
            Or you regrow and maintain it using current medicine that works perfectly well for millions of people.
            >Improve other aspects of your life
            You can do that alongside improving your hair.
            >stop this lookism bullshit, you arent a woman who's entire value is how she looks.
            There it is. You're just a salty coping baldy who has given up and is now trying to pull down other people with you.

            they fuck up your hormones. How am I a coping baldy trying to drag others down when I say the exact opposite and tell people to be confident because hair literally doesnt matter that much? Who s paying you, you piece of shit shill?

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              >they fuck up your hormones.
              Fin decreases your DHT by 2/3 and slightly increases your testo and estro. If you're worried about the estro, just lower your bf (as you should do anyway. DHT isn't even needed after puberty and fin leaves type 1 alone which is the only type of DHT that's somewhat interacting with the brain.
              >Who s paying you, you piece of shit shill?
              The Indian generic drug industry obv. They pay me in curry.

              they can regrow a little, but they will not restore most of your hair unless you're one of the rare hyperresponders.

              Oral minox regrows in 98% of people who take it. I've personally witnessed it as both my right and left temple have increased their density and I regrew hair around a red mark.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Who s paying you, you piece of shit shill?
              The person you are replying to is an infamous Canadian Merck & Co. (the parent company of one of those drugs) shill. he was exposed on /int/, check the archives, his posting style and specifically insults are his give away. pay him no mind, he is an actual Canadian employee of merck & co and scours multiple boards for the express purpose of shilling hair loss products

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                behold, the norwood reaper has taken both his hair and his mind.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Baldcel cope. You are seeing shills where there are none.

                The truth is clear. FDA approved hair loss treatments such as Propecia have been repeatedly proven safe and effective by leading scientists through hundreds of rigorous clinical studies across the world. There really is no second best, there is only Propecia. I recommend that you talk to your healthcare provider and ask them for Propecia so you no longer have to cope and seethe on internet message boards about your male pattern baldness.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                There is really no alternative to keeping your hair to finasteride/dutasteride.
                For regrowth there is:
                oral minoxidil > topical minoxidil >= retonsydil > dutasteride >= stemoxydine >= finasteride >= microneedling

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Falseflagging moron baldy

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      to add: dont fucking take gnomish chemicals in order to try saving some fucking hair. You either have it or you dont, if you dont fuck while balding you arent going to fuck if u have a few more hairs on your head. Improve other aspects of your life, stop this lookism bullshit, you arent a woman who's entire value is how she looks. Learn how to act, make money, go to the gym.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >dont fucking take gnomish chemicals
        I bet you use ~~*toothpaste*~~ don't you, stupid goy?
        >You either have it or you dont
        Or you regrow and maintain it using current medicine that works perfectly well for millions of people.
        >Improve other aspects of your life
        You can do that alongside improving your hair.
        >stop this lookism bullshit, you arent a woman who's entire value is how she looks.
        There it is. You're just a salty coping baldy who has given up and is now trying to pull down other people with you.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      im 20 and almost at your stage, started balding at 15 i think. you are probably much more handsome though.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        i have a pretty good skull shape, face, thick neck and a good beard. Does it matter that much? I would probably act the same even without some of those things. Unironically, physiognomy is 100% real. You can tell the personality of a person, if they are insecure etc from their eyes, from their face. When I was insecure I used to look like a bitch. When I started lifting and having confidence I feel like my face changed as well, my eyes, the way I look at people, my bodylanguage etc.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's actually a badass movie villain look.

  17. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >So we know Minoxidl and Finasteride don't actually regrow any hair
    2/3 of finasteride/dutasteride users regrew hair according to studies. So did ~50% of topical min and ~98% of oral min users.
    >while presenting nasty side effects too
    Also called nocebo and blackpill demoralization shilling by balding incels.
    > at most it will stall the balding but you're still balding.
    That's why you take finasteride/dutasteride to block further hairloss.
    >And they'll still force you to take finasteride after a transplant.
    Those evil gnomish pharma garden gnomes! Better show them by shaving off your hair and becoming a bald demoralization incel on IST!

  18. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you have a strong face and good cranial shape just rock a buzzcut. If not, work some neck/jaw exercises and go for a short trimmed beard. It's what I did and it's comfortable grooming wise. Besides (cope inbound), war hits I'd prefer shorter hair, Team Wendy pads aren't the most comfy out there.

    >xpauwu

  19. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    how do i uncalcify pineal gland?

  20. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >all this anti fin+min spam
    Sorry not sorry, still not balding
    Enjoy your NW20

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      You just know they are all coping baldies who don't want others to succeed.
      If they spent the time they post here on a solid regiment, they could easily go back to NW1/2.

  21. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >ORAL MINOXIDIL
    Google it. Read about why you haven't heard of it before. Develop a healthy sense of rage and disgust for the American FDA. Then fix your shit permanently without the risk of fucking up your dick.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Finasteride is perfectly safe for anyone who is not a morbidly obese hypochonder. Nocebo effect is real. People who experience sides would most likely also develop them if they took sugar pills.
      But yeah oral minoxidl works great to regrow hair. I'd use 5mg (2.5mg twice a day) for regrowth and 1.25mg for maintenance.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Oral minoxidil is absorbed systemically throughout the entire body and it significantly raises your chance of heart failure and heart attack. And yes, it's significantly more dangerous to take than Finasteride or Dutasteride.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        To be fair, taking low doses (1.25mg) significantly reduces the risk to near 0.

  22. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why are so many dudes afraid of being bald? just fucking shave it or wear a wig if it scares you that much.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Fear of death

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      a) you look and feel like shit whenever you look into the mirror (most people don't look like Dwayne Johnson)
      b) women will look at you the same way they look at a 5'1 dwarf
      c) people in general will be meaner to you

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >you look and feel like shit whenever you look into the mirror (most people don't look like Dwayne Johnson)
        No one said you had to look like dwayne johnson. I mean i can understand the esteem issue but there's a point where you realize your hair is not the end all be all of well being and self confidence.
        >b) women will look at you the same way they look at a 5'1 dwarf
        Caring about what bitches think is the first step to failure. Complete garbage mindset.
        >c) people in general will be meaner to you
        Okay i'm very curious about this one, why would people be meaner?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >but there's a point where you realize your hair is not the end all be all of well being and self confidence.
          If you already suffer from low self confidence, it's a death blow.
          >Complete garbage mindset.
          If you want to have sex with women in a legal way, you need to attract them somehow. Being bald or balding makes that an extreme uphill challenge.
          >why would people be meaner?
          Baldy jokes

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >women will look at you the same way they look at a 5'1 dwarf

        no just no. I'm bald and 6 feet and I will always mog every manlet with a full head of hair

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Maybe 5'1 was an exaggeration, but balding is definitely off-putting for women under 25/30.

          idk do whatever you want, maybe im paranoid but i dont trust shit like this. I try to stay away from those kinds of things if i can help it

          Fair enough, but then you'll have to live with the consequences (balding and eventually being bald).

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            i think im fine with those consequences. Worst case scenario, maybe I'll get a hair transplant later in life, but to be honest, the older I grow, the less I care, because my face start looking more masculine/old and balding start being less and less of an issue.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Being bald only looks good if you have a certain head/face shape, or good beard genetics. If most dudes can look like Dominic Purcell instead of vsauce without hair, everyone would be happy to go bald.
      Wearing wigs is women-tier. Either accept it and go bald or try to prolong the good times.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because 90% of men look like a toe with no hair.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why are you advocating for such a defeatist mindset for men. Everyone knows its better to have hair and you will always look better with hair.

  23. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    How the hell are you supposed to take dutasteride anyway? I tried using finasteride for a while but my hair kept thinning anyway, so I'm trying the second line option. Problem is it's only available as these soft-gel capsules that you can't divide like you can with solid tablets.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why not take them like twice to thrice a week?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because even that would still end up being a huge dose compared to what would be needed for hair loss (rather than benign prostate hyperplasia). 5mg finasteride QD and 0.5mg dutasteride QD are the BPH doses, and I cut the 5mg finasteride tablets into 1/4ths and then skip a day to get an average of 1mg/day, which is the propecia dose. Can't exactly do that with liquid-filled dutasteride capsules.

        Not to mention taking them QoD would mean going through the pills a hell of a lot quicker, for no real benefit, while also increasing the risk of side effects.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'd check out r/tressless and ask there.

  24. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Meanwhile, I'm on

    >Rogaine
    >180mg of Test a week
    >1mg of Fin a day
    >Tretinoin 0.025%

    I'm benching 345, squatting 425, deadlifting 545 and fucking bitches left and right.
    Zero side effects from any of the above.

    >NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T ARTIFICIALLY CHANGE YOUR HORMONES IT'S UNNATURAL

    Nothing about our current state of being is natural. You are a fucking monkey arguing with another monkey via typing on a rock with electricity flowing through it.

    Fuck nature, fuck god, only men.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      God is real but why wouldn't he condone human advancement? All that naturalism bullshit is holding humanity back.

  25. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    for me massage+microneedle works. but the chemical pill poppers don't believe me.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Microneedling alone can work, but anecdotal evidence says the regrown hair doesn't last long.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        bruh you probably wont believe me but the new hairs I have are twice the size of any other hair anywhere on my head. they are also much darker. i'm 4 months into microneedling+massage (not even consistent) I also do inversion and face stretching and now I'm experimenting with compression exerciser, cause skull expansion theory seems to make sense. its def working. but i have to add that i only recently started balding at 29 and its not aggressive.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >cause skull expansion theory seems to make sense
          Hair follices from your head transported to other parts of your body still continues to minituarize.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Hair follices from your head transported to other parts of your body still continues to minituarize.
            Doesn't have anything to do with skull expansion theory.

            The reason your hair starts to fall out is because the environment is not good anymore for growing hair. Woman thin too and recede also. Though men produce much more DHT which is an anti inflammatory agent. It gets sent to inflamed places. Due to skull expansion and blood flow reduction the skalp of a balding man is chronically inflamed. It is under constant pressure. DHT gets to work in the inflamed tissue cause it fights inflammation. But a side effect is that it destroys hair follicles. The AR5 receptors in the scalp produce DHT from T because the environment is bad. It is not well oxigenized. When there is enough oxygen(no inflammation) T in the scalp will convert to estrogen and the hair will stay

            I've experimented with topical liposomal dutasteride and minox for a year. Then quit. I did a lot of research. I wanted to take the bald pill cause fuck nasty chemicals. But I decided to give controversial anecdotal scalp massage+microneedling a try and it works. The massages also compress the skalp and stop it from expanding and cutting of more bloodflow etcetc

            It works for me and there are many others that have seen results from massage, the chemicals work too ofcourse but .. yeah.

            Check out perfect hair health he has good info . Use duckduckgo for research, google only shows pill pusher content. YouTube search also, only pill pusher content. But with duckduck you can find quite some hidden treasure

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              You can inspect females, they thin too and recede but they don't go fully bald cause they don't produce much DHT to combat inflammation. Also their estrogen levels are high and those protect hair. Though their skulls still expand and thin and I've seen some aweful female hairlines and thinning.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              If inflammation of the scalp is a major contributor to hair loss, as your theory goes, I wonder if there's any data on the use of topical NSAIDs like voltaren gel used on the scalp, and whether that has any positive effect.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Idk but there are many people who managed to halt their balding without " the big three" raypeat forum has some good stuff too I remember. Some dude using nicatin flushes even. Anyway there are non chemical ways to stop balding if it's not agressive. Also kevinn Mann / haircafe has already gotten 2 hair transplants. He is a science paper boi. But yeah there's no reason to listen to anything he says cause he's vegan. And he's vegan cause he "trusts the science". But yeah. I know what veganism did for me and it wasn't good. My first redpill actually. I only experiment with veganism for half a year but it made me weak pathetic and depressed. Carnivore diet after really made me super fit and healthy. So it's hard to believe anyone who is vegan, cuz they are brainwashed by science papers

                That's putting a patch on it, not a fix of the problem, and the problem is multifaceted. But the short version is this " scalp environment isn't healthy anymore to produce hair" . If you change the environment enough you start growing again. Also follicles don't actually die, they go dormant.

                Check out perfect hair health he got good info ( and yes he sells a subscription on his site but you can get all the info without it too just use the search engines )

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                I saw some of that guy's videos on youtube. Pretty interesting stuff. I wish there were a more elegant way to stop your head muscles from putting tension on your scalp other than using botox injections every few months. But for now I've started doing the scalp massages and microneedling. Hope that pays dividends.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's working amazingly well here like. I couldn't believe these new hairs even infront on my hairline. They started coming 3 months in. They are double diameter than any existing hair it's wild. Darker too. A lot! I think that microneedling has awakened dormant hair follicles. Massage maintains and stimulates / oxigenizes . Changing scalp environment takes time... But yeah. I literally am growing back hair on my hairline with it. Like wew. I'll incorporate headstands as compression excersize soon

                Oh you have to microneedle hard, deep. It will make new blood vessels that might supply a dormant hair follicles nearby.

                Also I saw this YouTube video of a black man doing daily microneedling only and regrew hair everywhere from completely bald scalp! There's hope for anyone that's willing to put the work. Hair follicles don't die. They go silent/dormant

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              Post massage and microneedling routine?

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                I do a custom variant of Rob from perfect hair health massage. I also use wooden brushes. I try to do atleast one session per day. 5 to 10 minutes.

                Sometimes I skip a day sometimes I do more. The scalp massages also automatically do some compression to combat scalp expansion. But Im now gonna start uhm really big force compressioj exercise using hard objects. I am even thinking about sleeping on the floor with a stone on my head. This all might sound silly but I'm 2 years into hairloss research.. and the skull expansion theory seems to have to do with it. Bald scalps are rounded/rounding. A square shaped head is never bald. You can check for yourself outside go look at the roundness of a bald person. Then check out some "square" heads. Always good hairlines no thinning. There's a book on skull expansion theory. Yo ucan download it for free some where I got it.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              Damn. I've not been seeing much from on and off massages.I'll give it the rest of the year and I might try microneedling but if that doesn't work i'll just take the bald pill. How did you modify Rob's massages and how did you know to make those adjustments.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Doesn't have anything to do with skull expansion theory.
              If the environment (the scalp) was bad for said hair, it would stop miniaturizing if implanted on other parts of your body. It doesn't. Therefore, the DHT is responsible for making it shrink, not scalp tension.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Then why does the pattern for male hair loss correspond with the areas the scalp muscles pull on?

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Correlation != causation.
                The scalp tension theory was debunked decades ago when hair transplants were first researched and scalp hair continued to miniaturize even on other places while hair from safe zones transplanted to the scalp didn't miniaturize.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >air from safe zones transplanted to the scalp didn't miniaturize.
                It miniaturizes if you don't use 5ar blockers. The hair follicles are the same, it's the terrain you plant it into that differs.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >It miniaturizes if you don't use 5ar blockers.
                But if scalp tension theory was true, you wouldn't need to use a 5ar inhibitor for the scalp hair that was transported to other places of your body since it would get plenty of nutrients and oxygen there.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Due to skull expansion and blood flow reduction the skalp of a balding man is chronically inflamed
              I also anecdotally believe in the inflammation and DHT causing the majority of balding. Not sure of the reason for the inflammation.
              Don't ask me why, but I seen a few of my friends blood test results and something I noticed that those who visibly have balding or have mentioned about balding even when not visible, had elevated inflammation markers. Still, it's only a few people, but it made me think there might be be something to it.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is my current plan. Fin just made my balls ache, I can't believe the idea that it wasn't having any affect on me sexually.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Oh I want to add one more thing. I have noticed that one of my temples has a bigger recession than the other. Then I noticed that the side is also a lot thinner on that side. It is also the side I never sleep on (right side) my right temple is noticably thinner and so is the complete side of my head there having significantly less hair. So now I'm sleeping on my right side. To see if it does anything to increase hair counts.

        I'm nw 1.5 left side nw 1.7 right side. And have front thinning and middle thinning but.. yeah you don't see the thinning very much only at very short hair.

        Idk just experimenting. I seem to be fixing it so let's keep going.

        Good luck lads. Oh if you don't see any results from microneedling+massage after 8 months you might have to add something more or do something different.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Smaller sides usually go way after a few months when your hormones become more balanced.

  26. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I have a full head of hair (24yo) with no receding to speak of, that being said, every male in my family, dad, his dad, my moms dad, etc. are totally bald. I just started doing topical minox and been dropping 2 drops sublingually and letting them absorb for ~1min 2x a day. Am I gonna make it bros?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sublingual minox is not really all that different from taking it topically. Only oral minox works because the liver has a near infinite storage of sulfoterase molecules that activate minox.
      If you have full hair though I would recommend dropping minox and rely solely on finasteride.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        are the negative effects of fin overstated?? they sound horrible. from watching MPMD's most recent hair loss prevention video, the best way to minimize issues with it is by taking AI inhibitors(?) like dutasteride. is this kind of thing i can just simply ask my doc to put me on even tho I am young and have all my hair? I really dont want my dick to stop working. Im a pretty boy tho and cant accept being a baldlet with the fucked up shape of my skull

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'm taking fin and experience pretty much zero side effects. My boner still works and even my semen remains thick.
          After the age of 25 you don't really need DHT type 2 anymore (the type that fin blocks). Blocking it marginally increases both testo and estro so you may need an aroma inhibitor like zinc but if you're not obese I don't really see an issue.
          Imo I also believe a lot of fin "sides" are psychosomatic or could simply be lies from the same type of people who post blackpill threads on IST.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          dutasteride and finasteride are both 5a-reductase inhibitors, Dutasteride is the stronger inhibitor. They are the hands-down most effective monotherapy to help prevent hair loss. Finasteride's side effects are indeed exaggerated, especially because the side effects are mostly psychological (like erectile dysfunction) so it can easily be chalked up to the nocebo effect and people psyching themselves out because they *think* taking it will make their dick fall off, like a self-fulfilling prophecy that's all in their head.

          If you're in the small minority that actually does experience libido issues, you can always stop taking it.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        You're giving yourself the best chance you can. I wish I had started sooner. I thought I was safe because none of the men in my family were bald, and my father has hair like Sam Elliott. But around 24 or so I noticed I could see my scalp through my hairline with direct light shining down on it. People told me I was crazy, that it was in my head. I even coped and thought it must be due to some kind of vitamin deficiency since I was eating like shit during grad school.
        Took me another two years or so to stop coping and start taking finasteride/minoxidil. Luckily I stabilized my loss, and I started with super thick hair in the first place, so even at 31 years olds nobody can even tell I'm going bald. But I could've done better had I started earlier.

        at 24 i was full too. if you are still nearly full at 35 i think you are in the clear, maybe 40.

        am I screwing myself if I EVER stop taking minox tho? will stopping it cause exess hair loss in a higher degree than I would have if I had just never started? Do ppl ever cycle minox? ie. taking it for X weeks and cycling off for X?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Hair that is dependent on it may fall out eventually. Also don't cycle minox. Gradually decrease the dosage until you stabilize, then you remain on that forever.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      You're giving yourself the best chance you can. I wish I had started sooner. I thought I was safe because none of the men in my family were bald, and my father has hair like Sam Elliott. But around 24 or so I noticed I could see my scalp through my hairline with direct light shining down on it. People told me I was crazy, that it was in my head. I even coped and thought it must be due to some kind of vitamin deficiency since I was eating like shit during grad school.
      Took me another two years or so to stop coping and start taking finasteride/minoxidil. Luckily I stabilized my loss, and I started with super thick hair in the first place, so even at 31 years olds nobody can even tell I'm going bald. But I could've done better had I started earlier.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      at 24 i was full too. if you are still nearly full at 35 i think you are in the clear, maybe 40.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Stop the minox wtf. Minox works by increasing blood supply to follicles reducing the dormancy/allowing new ones to work, but all follicles helped by it are dependent on the medicine to be used continually, and it doesn't stop hair loss, just induce more hair growth. You'll still have progressive hair loss on min, its just a flat offset basically. If you actually want to preemptively stop hairloss youd need to stop dht and other androgens, so fin/duta and possibly a topical antiandrogen. Taking min preemptively is fucking retarded, its for bringing back density not preventing the underlying progress of hair loss. If youre scared of fin sides from the internet just use a low topical dose, literally 0 systemic effects just more of a pain to apply and probably less effective

  27. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    You can destroy your heart/skin with oral/topical minoxidil or wreck your hormonal balance and be a semi-chud with fin.

    The ONLY cure is hair cloning and transplantation, but that’s still a way’s away.

  28. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >So we know Minoxidl and Finasteride don't actually regrow any hair and at most stall the process
    Not true. Fin stalls the process because it cucks your DHT.

    Minoxidil regrows hair because it's a vasodilator. Simple as.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Tru. So stopping coffee / caffeine might have a smoll effect t

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Really negligible. Just like the creatine increase in DHT.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Tru. So stopping coffee / caffeine might have a smoll effect t

          It all adds up my man. Creatine increases hairloss for some men. Caffeine doess vasoconstriction.

          Reduction in bloodflow to brain by 40 pct

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Bloodflow is irrelevant. Pharmaceuticals and a5-reductase inhibitors are what count for like 95% of hairloss prevention.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              Kek. Yeah yeah go watch soem more kevin pill pusher man videos

  29. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fin and Min are the only things that work

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      For you cuz you too braintarded for anything else than Poppin pills

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      yeah but the cascade of things involved in genuinely achieving that can't be good

  30. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    unironically the only thing that might work is estrogen, and it probably doesnt

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Finasteride has been proven to stop your hairloss. That's why people who go on HRT also take fin or dut because estrogen alone can't do shit if your DHT is still too high.

  31. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I've had no prob aside from a slight eczema flare up with around 8 months of topical minox. I got >100% increase in coverage in affected areas in 6 months.

  32. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    idk what you're talking about, RU58841 + topical minoxidil and I have zero hair loss on400mg test 300mg tren. Have also kept all my hair during 100mg winstrol blasts

    and yes i'm predisposed to MPB, before I was on any drugs I almost lost all my hair on just 250 mg test. The drugs work. Balding legit turns you from a 7 to a 4

  33. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not balding but I’ve seen plenty of people regrow with fin. Especially if you catch it early and are able to stop it with topical.

  34. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you are noticing you're starting to bald don't listen to the retarded crabs on here trying to scare you away from fin/min. I genuinely regret not starting treatment much earlier. Started with topical minoxidil and then started finasteride about 6 months later. Both caused a noticeable amount of regrowth and zero noticeable side effects, but since I waited too long there's only so much that can be done. Have recently added laser light therapy and dermastamping weekly to the routine, but too soon to see if they further help regrowth.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      holy crap anon that's a massive difference.
      you straight up had nothing there unbelievable shit can just grow out from nothing like that.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, I responded about as well as can be expected which is good but hurts that I waited so long. I was in denial about how bad it had gotten and felt ashamed about having to start taking stuff to stop it. Pretty dumb of me for sure.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's incredible progress.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Went from midlife crisis officeworker to a human, grats

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      You could not ask for a better result to be honest.

  35. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >”relax anon, you just have a maturing hairline”

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      looks fine

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        I’m 29 and don’t have a lot of time left. I’m seeing a dermatologist next week. I’m willing to take topical fin and low dose oral mino to prevent it from getting worse. I will not be taking oral fin because I’m not risking sexual dysfunction.

        I can also tell it’s happening because over the past year my already thick body hair has been spreading and getting even thicker. My skin is more oily, like it was during puberty. All signs of increased sensitivity to DHT.
        It doesn’t look bad yet because it’s the balding pattern where a patch of thin wispy hair remains at the forehead while the horseshoe recedes behind it.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          If you're doing topical fin just put it in topical minox, very little reason to do systemic minox to start especially if youre already applying a topical. Also, anyone using minox should microneedle because of the massive synergistic effect of sulfotransferase increase from needling on top of its normal benefits

  36. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    no reversal, but zero bad side effects. it actually made me bust better nuts, and harder too. Im just grateful it stalled the hair loss. IMO, fin was VERY worth it and people who shill against it are obviously trolls.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Don't fall for this chud.
      Watch this.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        yes, i am obviously a chud for telling people my actual experience and not wanting to bald, you complete fucking fag. You sound insufferable to be around and likely have no friends, close family or girlfriend.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          That's what a chud would say. You're reacting like a woman, that finasteride is affecting you. It's making you effeminate.

  37. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    just dropping this here

  38. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >So we know Minoxidl and Finasteride don't actually regrow any hair and at most stall the process
    Not true at all, many people have completely REVERSED and REGROWN their hair. I hate people who perpetuate this stupid myth.

  39. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Am i balding?

    captcha/ GayNDT

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      depends, blonde hair always kind of shines through.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      that's a yes. but if you start treatment now you're pretty well off.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      See a derm but blonde hair looks like that normally especially if you have a deep cowlick like I did. Still see a derm if you at all give a shit about hair tho, and make it very clear you want to keep all of it and take it seriously

  40. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    botox the sides of your head. look up what i've learned on youtube

  41. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Finasteride regrows an amount of hair because the follicles that were on death's door or miniaturizing get healthier and regrow a bit. minox will add to that as long as you're applying it.

    >Has anyone managed to reverse their thinning by other means?
    No.

    Get a 60ml bottle of minox, mix in fin for a 0.05% solution. Apply 2ml to affected areas daily to save your hair without side effects. Yes, you will have to sell your soul to the topical garden gnome for life doing this. Or until you're ready to go bald.

  42. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    take the baldpill

  43. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly if it weren't for the fact that 8/10+ girls 18-22 care about hair, I wouldn't either.

    If I want to continue to fuckpuppet college girls, I need to sign myself over to keeping this shit on my head or become rich.

  44. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    my balding looks like its slowly stopped, considering bitting the bullet and just going to turkey. I've been shaved for over a year and im fine with it at the end of the day, but with how cheap this shit's gotten I dont see why not

  45. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Dut made me impotent. Will get implant soon

  46. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Does minox actually work for inducing beard growth?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      yes

      Accept it morons. Fight your insecurity

      Even if you accept yourself for being bald, attractive young women won't.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >caring about being accepted by other people
        Its dangerous level of insecurity, man. Stop it

  47. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >all these frilly fruits with full sets of hair crying as if they where actually balding
    Lmao we've been usurped bald bros....

  48. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I was a straight dominant cis man before but since taking fin I feel like it changed me.
    I’m a bit more feminine and I get butterflies in my stomach when a big attractive guy is next to me and my legs begin to shake…
    It’s like fin caused epigenetic changes idk

  49. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I have had worse side effects with legal suplements than fin,in fact fin only stopped(slowed)my hairloss and thats It.
    Meanwhile once I got extremely sick because of am overdose of l carnitine,another time was on a fat loss suplement,both times I almost went to the hospital.
    Fin has done nothing bad to me at all ,quite the opposite.

  50. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Accept it morons. Fight your insecurity

  51. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Regrew some hairline with fin and min. Stop talking out of your ass.

  52. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >another zoomer balding thread

  53. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Botox, a common feature all balding men have is tight skin around the scalp which strangles and kills hair follicles so loosening up the skin could help prevent hair loss

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >and kills hair follicles
      Transplanting head hair to your armpits still continues the miniaturization process.
      Transplanting leg hair to your forehead won't miniaturize said hair over time.
      It's the DHT that kills your hair, nothing else.
      An argument could be made for less fat under the skin protecting the DHT-sensitive hair from DHT though since injecting body fat into your scalp seems to halt hairloss.

  54. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    been on min for like almost two months. doing massages. already have regrowth and new (just not fully dead yet) hairs back.

  55. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    These threads make me anxious. I'm 31 with head full of hair, but reading about balding reminds me that I could start losing hair literally any day

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Enjoy it, you lucky son of a bitch. I'm turning 31 soon with what is probably a NW3 and I'd give an arm, leg, kidney, and testicle for the hairline I had at 13.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I'd give an arm, leg, kidney, and testicle for the hairline
        then you are retarded and dumb as fuck.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      At your age it becomes increasingly dangerous.

  56. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why are you hair fags always posting on IST?
    Go to IST for fashion advice and to IST if you have questions about the science behind it.
    I just wanna lift not read your sob stories about being bald.

  57. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I have puberty gyno so im scared to take fin bros.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Try saw palmetto+astaxanthin first for like 3-6 months. The sides you'll get there are an indication for what sides you'll get on fin.
      For example, I had weaker erections on saw palmetto after a few weeks but eventually my dick got harder again. Now I'm taking in and it's the same pattern again.

  58. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    is 5% min solution enough? It's the only thing i can get in my country

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      5% min solution is more than enough if you're a responder.

  59. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Hair transplants don't actually work either because that's still your balding follicles getting transplanted
    no it's not, it's follicles from the side of your head that aren't affected by balding, getting uprooted and planted in your dome.
    If it doesn't work I'd like to know what Elon Musk actually did for his hair.
    >And they'll still force you to take finasteride after a transplant.
    Proof?
    Also sorry but force means force wtf are they gonna do if you say nah I've not been taking it. They're not gonna do shit.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Proof?
      Not all of them force you to take fin, some trash clinics won't care if you keep balding.
      Think about it logically. If you get a transplant for a receding hairline, you'll have robust hair on your horseshoe region plus some at your hairline at the transplant site, but the region in-between those two will still be full of hair that is susceptible to balding. You can't fill your entire scalp with hair that is more resistant to balding because your donor site at the back of the head doesn't have enough hair to cover the whole head.

  60. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    How much does fin cost per month?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      depends on the country. the cost is negligible if you're in a first world country.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not much, way less if you buy the 5mg pills and cut them

  61. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >15 months on fin and 10 on minoxidil
    >BELOW BASELINE
    So, I've got diffuse hair loss, and on top of that, I'm a non-responding outlier.
    I'm getting tired of these battles.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      If it's diffuse and not male pattern it could be from an underlying health issue

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nah, it's definitely male pattern according to my derm. Also have a receding hairline.

  62. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Minoxidil doesn't have sideffects.

  63. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ctrl+f "biotin" zero results

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      biotin doesn't do shit unless you specifically have a biotin deficiency, which essentially no one who's not on some retarded elimination diet like vegaynism is going to have

  64. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Alright glad we're having a thread so maybe I can get an answer.

    My current stack:
    > Pura D'or anti-thinning Ketoconazole 0.9% shampoo (will link so you guys can see the ingredients list)
    > Saw palmetto/peppermint oil based conditioner (also has a lot of plant proteins and other herbal dht blockers/vasodilators)
    > both daily
    > Herbal DHT blocker/vasodilator ointment (twice daily)
    > rogaine 5% (twice daily)
    > 1.5 mm microneedling (once weekly)

    I've seen some regrowth around my temples. I am reluctant to go on finasteride after reading about how it can block neurosteroid production.

    My question: After I get some healthy regrowth and am certain all of this actually worked, do you think my stack is solid enough that I can stop using rogaine? I don't like minoxidil and would rather not use it.
    I'm *open* to trying fin if things go downhill but would rather not.

    shampoo: https://purador.com/products/anti-hair-thinning-shampoo-with-coal-tar

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Do u have anxiety? If so, dont take fin
      Heart and breathing is still fucked up

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      drop all the natural remedy nonsense and just take finasteride. you're wasting your time and losing your hair

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      moron saw palmetto does the exact same thing fin does (block dht) except fin doesnt touch the stuff that has function in your brain, by your logic you'd be doing the reverse. Either way, for anyone thats hypochondriac about fin the best choice is just to go topical since it's got no sides whatsoever and still mostly effective, just more of a hassle

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        My rationale for going the herbal route was:
        > weaker so less potential neurosteroid impact
        > finasteride is a steroidal 5AR inhibitor and the herbal stuff is not
        Even I will admit that this sounds like cope now that I write it out.
        Finasteride can cross the blood/brain barrier and can affect neurosteroid production though.
        I will also acknowledge that everything I have read about finasteride side effects states that they occur in a small minority of users and a small minority of that small minority have sides that persist after discontinuing use.
        Alright I'll go talk to a doctor.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I will also acknowledge that everything I have read about finasteride side effects states that they occur in a small minority of users and a small minority of that small minority have sides that persist after discontinuing use.
          >Alright I'll go talk to a doctor.
          you also have to understand that everything you read about fin are studies supported by the pharmaceutical industry and they have motive to make the studies seem "less bad" for the drug that is being pushed.

          I guess the ones who took the vax also take the pill.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            bro, Fin it's a generic drug

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        you would need so much saw palmetto to even get a fraction of fins effectivity
        try microdosing or microdosing topical fin
        topical fin at like 0.025mg still block like 50% of dht in the scalp while only effecting 20% in the
        body
        best is to combine different methods and go for low doses or try out a different product
        just because you arent tolerating fin doesnt mean you have the same reaction to dut (even if dut blocks potentially more dht) but the halflife is different etc.

  65. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just tossing in my two cents: for any anons using liquid minox and getting flaky scalp you really should switch to the gel even though it's more expensive.

  66. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >fin doesn't regrow hair
    This is just anecdotal but I started taking fin 1mg once a week and honestly I have started seeing baby hairs starting to sprout where my old hairline use to be to the point my temples seem fuller already.

  67. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    bros I'm norwood 1.5 and it's killing me because I want long hair again and long hair with norwood is ass
    does topical fin change the game?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm a NW1.5 currently taking 1mg of fin, ~1mg of oral min (drinking 1/20ml of the the 2% topical solution for women), stemoxydine, the ordinary hair serum and microneedling at 1.5mm every 7-10 days. Will see how this goes and eventually report back on IST.

  68. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    you balding trannies are so sad. shave it off.

  69. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is me now. I'm going to get on fin soon, I'm optimistic because I took action early and will hopefully keep what I have.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Mate I look exactly like you except my hair is dark brown. Been on fin for close to 6 months now. Don't get too optimistic.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I took action early

  70. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I just want a natural working solution, one that have no risks of breaking your dick or paying garden gnomes for a concoction. Fuck, bros I'm depressed..

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      The only natural soltution that decreases your DHT (sadly only DHT type 1 which does jack shit for your hair) is saw palmetto+astaxanthin which still gives you the same sides as fin.
      Beyond that you'd have to find some plant in the jungle of Brazil or something that binds to the DHT receptors on your hair follicles which even research chemicals can only do with moderate success.
      For regrowth there's redensyl which isn't as effective as minoxidil but still better than all the other natural solutions.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Every session of hair loss med research, weighing pros and cons just ends with finasteride being the most viable option. Fuck. But if fin really was that great no one would be fucking bald in this day and age, word would spread and most men won't be bald. But that's not the case. Also many men who suffer sides probably don't report it, men have a tendency to not report things they find are humiliating, so the statistics for bad side effects are probably very very inaccurate. Fuck I can't believing I'm considering fin again.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >But if fin really was that great no one would be fucking bald in this day and age
          Fin works for most people but some people are so sensitive to DHT that they have to take dutasteride (and even that alone may not be enough for special cases). It can maintain your hairs for decades and even cause some regrowth. But when you take it you're usually experiencing some balding already and fin can only reverse about 1-3 years of balding by itself. So a NW3 can, at most, hope to go back to NW2.5.
          >But that's not the case.
          The same can be said for so many other issues (obesity is a great example).
          >men have a tendency to not report things they find are humiliating, so the statistics for bad side effects are probably very very inaccurate.
          Fin has been on the market for 30+ years now and there are gnomish agencies selling plenty of fraudulent hair growth serums who have an interest in fudding fin. That's why, when you research fin for the first time, you'll likely see millions of posts/blogs of how fin literally turned some dude into a woman by making his dick literally explode.
          >Fuck I can't believing I'm considering fin again.
          From a purely pragmatic point of view, fin might give you weaker erections for some time while you're on it. If you're bald, you don't get sex at all so you don't even need your dick anymore.

          Hair transplant is the only real option, but good luck selling a kidney to pay for one. And you have to make sure the doctor knows what he's doing, or you'll end up looking worse.

          The hair behind your transplanted hair will still continue to recede without fin/dut.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            lol obesity is not the same as hair loss. False equivalence. The process of fixing obesity has been tried, tested, put into practice even as early as elementary school. Hair loss has doesn't have a tried and true objective "fix". Meds don't work for a lot of people, even hair transplanted follicles die most of the time, it's not like obesity whatsoever. Two completely different things.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Hair transplant is the only real option, but good luck selling a kidney to pay for one. And you have to make sure the doctor knows what he's doing, or you'll end up looking worse.

  71. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >What a way to announce your ignorance, buddy.

    Did you even read the article, retard? It says they microdose with as little as 1/40th of an oral min pill and still get good results.

  72. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Super anectdotal but my aunt’s husband had heart failure and was put on a full dose of oral minoxidil. He was bald and his hair grew back. Dermatologists dismissed oral mino for hair loss because at the dose for blood pressure it requires very careful monitoring. But now it turns out the hair regrowth happens at a low dose.

  73. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Hair transplants don't actually work either because that's still your balding follicles getting transplanted
    thats not how it works retard, your donor follicles from the sides are immune to balding, sick of these threads, just got to turkey and get one for £3k already

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not immune, very highly resistant. Also, the rest of the hairs around them are what shed and why people use fin, not the new transplants. You still want to maintain as much hair volume as possible, transplants dont make new hair just shift it around

  74. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Been on fin for a year zero side effects hair is starting to fill back out

    Take the fin pill it's a miracle drug

  75. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >So we know Minoxidl and Finasteride don't actually regrow any hair
    Why would you lie like that?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because he is a baldcel demoralization shill.

  76. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    does topical minoxidil work as well as oral? Im starting to bald a little in the back and wanna catch it early.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm a baseline non-responder to topical minoxidil and got some results after I started microneedling. Going to talk to a doc about oral or else buy some retinol or tretinoin.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      MIN DOESNT STOP PROGRESSION IT GIVES YOUR MORE HAIR
      IF YOU WANT TO STOP MPB YOU NEED TO STOP THE UNDERLYING MECHANISM OR YOURE FILLING A LEAKING HOLE
      MIN IS GREAT AT GIVING MORE HAIR BUT IF YOU WANT TO "CATCH IT" YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY FOCUS ON WHAT CAUSES IT NOT JUST COVER IT UP TEMPORARILY
      I hate seeing misunderstanding

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