I'm probably in the best shape of my life and it does nothing for depression. Guilt is what works to keep me alive. Too much guilt about what ending things would do to relations.
I'm probably in the best shape of my life and it does nothing for depression. Guilt is what works to keep me alive. Too much guilt about what ending things would do to relations.
It worked for me. I have no depression and almost zero anxiety despite my life being objectively far better before- full head of hair, great job and education, lots of female attention. I got on roids too though
>I have never met anyone who exercises regularly who is depressed
y-yeah me too
>Be depressed >Start lifting >"Lifting heavy stone make sad head noises go away" >Reach plateau >Become depressed again >Break plateau >No longer depressed >Reach new plateau >Rinse repeat
WHAT THE FRICK DO YOU WANT FROM ME, BRAIN?!
The reason for this is it is a weak and feminine act to be outwardly depressed as a part of your character.
If you work out and get strong, you are able to present a much more positive version of yourself to the outside world because you understand through your own journey that nobody likes the weak, depressed dude you used to be. Much more respect is given to the positive stoic that's working on himself versus the depressed weakling that whines and changes nothing.
It's a positive feedback loop in a way.
I noticed the same thing. Occasionally I write what I'm thinking in a journal and recently I re-read my thoughts from a few years ago before I made this transformation.
I was an incredibly whiny, pathetic creature. I feel about my past self the way a high school bully feels about a nerd. It's surreal that I basically am the 'bully' in this situation, while also being a decent guy who just happens to be more masculine than average. I'm not mean to anyone, but I don't take shit - which never even comes up because almost no one ever gives me shit.
it's kind of a trip. this whole experience taught me that people severely underestimate how much life can change you. I am currently what my old self would call a 'masculine caricature'.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>I basically am the 'bully' in this situation, while also being a decent guy who just happens to be more masculine than average.
This is all the typical "bullies" that shit about swirlies and wedgies for no reason was just Hollywood trying to emasculate you.
What about the guy that has a subsurface simmering anger all of the time from being whacked out on tren? Or just hates the world? Women look at that and think "Based."
Same. I never understand the people who say that exercise helps their mental health. For me it doesn't help at all. I'll be in the middle of an intense workout but inside I'm thinking about so much bullshit and sometimes even crying inside. It does help indirectly to make myself feel better physically and gives me a reason to go do something out of the house.
People accuse me of “lifting to look good” but I would likely have killed myself long ago if it wasn’t for the small bit of dopamine and endorphins or whatever chemical my brain releases as a result of working out. It’s all that I have to get by, I am so lonely.
on the bright side, we didn't have to see the franchise drag out long enough to suck.
one of the beautiful things about the franchise is that it's all high-quality Kojima shit. Brief, but beautiful.
A fling in childhood worth remembering. In a non-pedo way.
I lift because I'm an incel. Not because I want to stop being an incel, but because I want to earn ire from normies commensurate with my hatred of them.
don't turn this into another incel LULZ thread you dumb Black person. it's proven that all else equal, women prefer handsome twinks and not handsome bodybuilders
Women prefer funny and confident men. You don't need to "be" anything except your self. When she loves you, she'll love you for your personality. When you come home after a PR and she sees your excitement she'll be intoxicated by your emotions and come grab your arms. If you came home with a promotion she'd run jump in your arms as well. Women love you once you love yourself, and whatever it is you're passionate about. She likes your dick because you love it and is confident about it. If it's huge she'll call you huge because she knows you like it, if you're tiny she'll say you move like a master because she loves you - anything to make you feel good.
When you're ripped she'll see the confidence that exudes from your body, and be infatuated with it. But it's you that she loves. It doesn't matter if it's music, sports, science or arts, as long as you live with passion and progress. You'll sweep any girl of her feet.
There is a world out there, and whatever the internet has brainwashed you into believing is wrong. Be your self, have fun, enjoy what you do, progress and don't give a shit if others find it "sexy". If being huge makes you happy, then that's what she'll find sexy.
>> PS: Don't equate "being yourself" and "doing what you want" with playing video games and being a sloppy neckbeard. I'm talking about achieving dreams and living your life to the fullest. Have a positive outlook and get rid of all your excuses.
>You don't need to "be" anything except your self.
Very few men are "funny and confident." Telling these shlubs that girls like funny and confident men and that the should just be themselves is contradictory.
Still preferable to be at least lean. Not everyone can be Patrice Oneal and be fat and get women
Confidence comes from honing a skill or life path. Being funny comes from confidence. Sure you might not be funny to everyone, but you'll be funny to the ones that matter, and confidence doesn't need to extend to every aspect of your life, just in the contexts that matter to you.
True only once you get into the dating stage
Just like with men being attracted to women, you secondary sexual characteristics (jaw, height, musculature) get your foot in the door
>buzzword, sarcasm, t. irony
One day your bitterness will swallow you. You will regret the time you spent here. All the tears you held back in your bucket of spite will come pissing out when you realise there are no walls, just hollow.
The other day I realized I've been here since 2005. I've gone through high school/college (there's a cut off in between here in my country), got a career, got married, have kids and gone through a divorce in that time frame. I wonder how many of my fellow shitposters from that time are still here.
I was neglected as a child and as such I don't have any base of "just be yourself" to go off of. All I can do is chameleon myself to who I'm speaking with and adjust to their wants and expectations
>I was neglected as a child and as such I don't have any base of "just be yourself" to go off of. All I can do is chameleon myself to who I'm speaking with and adjust to their wants and expectations
I feel you, fellow chameleon-bro. I didn't start to form my own identity until three years ago at the ripe age of 31.
Any tips to a struggling chameleon-bro? I've removed myself from 90% of my social connections that made me act in a certain way and am living abroad to try and fend for myself some more
1 year ago
Anonymous
Can't really say, to be honest. It took me a rough divorce for something to just snap, and break the chains in my mind for some kind of "personality" to take form and made me strike out on my own. I've got tons of positive reactions to my new personality, but also a plenty of people who can't deal with me not giving a particular frick about them.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I was waiting for a snap kind of moment but nothing ever came along. Must feel nice to get those positive reactions from people, and also that you don't need to care about everyone anymore
not that guy but I'm just as old, I just stopped giving a frick, I like what and who I like and I act on it. Honestly it's not the best approach if you want to be liked but again, I don't really care about that anymore.
My anxiety at 28 is less than at 18, and I think I needed all this time to even get to a level where I can address this. Being liked cognitively is not what I want, just the brain is used to always doing what will make the most number of people like me - which funnily enough has stopped working recently, my insincerity must be obvious from a mile away
1 year ago
Anonymous
I wish I could tell how to give yourself that kick in the ass. It's been very liberating to me, and I hadn't even realized how much of a chameleon I was until I wasn't anymore.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I think the kick that even got me thinking about this was LSD, but that was a while ago and I'm slowly tackling it. Glad to hear it anon
>my insincerity must be obvious from a mile away
It probably is, women are especially good at spotting it. The gf from the bad breakup I told you about told me after 2 dates that she knew I was acting unnaturally in big groups of people from the get go (we'd known each other for months before dating) and to be fair she wasn't the only person who told me lol
This is why when I see a bro acting like a clown I tell them asap, even publicly if they're getting on my nerves clownmaxxing like morons. People hate when I do this but it's got to be done
>This is why when I see a bro acting like a clown I tell them asap, even publicly if they're getting on my nerves clownmaxxing like morons.
Like Batman you've found your jokers. I bet that goes down well when they get told to shut up for the first time in their lives
1 year ago
Anonymous
Not that anon but I have met plenty of guys who said doing psychedelics once was what made them aware of whatever problems they had and enabled them to come out of their shell. Some said that it was like a thousand hours of therapy
1 year ago
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>my insincerity must be obvious from a mile away
It probably is, women are especially good at spotting it. The gf from the bad breakup I told you about told me after 2 dates that she knew I was acting unnaturally in big groups of people from the get go (we'd known each other for months before dating) and to be fair she wasn't the only person who told me lol
This is why when I see a bro acting like a clown I tell them asap, even publicly if they're getting on my nerves clownmaxxing like morons. People hate when I do this but it's got to be done
1 year ago
Anonymous
not that guy but I'm just as old, I just stopped giving a frick, I like what and who I like and I act on it. Honestly it's not the best approach if you want to be liked but again, I don't really care about that anymore.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I've just realised this post was very edgy and I didn't mean it. I tried being more outgoing and conventionally fun in my 20s and I could do it but by the end of the day I was absolutely drained.
Much like the other dude here I just couldn't keep that facade anymore after a pretty bad breakup, it took me a good 3 years to fully recover from that and it happened when I realised there's no need to pretend to be anyone else. I can only play to my strengths instead of acting against my deepest nature. Hope it makes sense bro best of luck
>such I don't have any base of "just be yourself"
then build it!
Most normies usually change completely every decade or two
find out what makes you passionate about
it won't be easy
pay attention on where you lose track of time, like you do something and suddenly it's 3h later - this is a good indicator of things you usually really enjoy doing
if you don't have anything like this, take some time and think about your goals in life, where do you want to be in 10years in 20 and so on
this doesn't have to be something great
simple things like "I want to be able to go to the sauna every weekend" or "I enjoy cooking so I want a large kitchen and be able to spend 2h / day to cook something" are completely valid goals to!
make a plan with small steps on how to achieve these goals
and in no time you have a "self"
suddenly you're the person that often does X or regularly goes to Y etc.
really try it
having a "self" isn't only for your potential partner
it does wonders for your mental wellbeing
and your social life
Thanks for the advice. The thing about losing track of time is good, basically any activity that gets you in a flow state.
I feel like I have enough things to be able to build something of a personality for myself, and then maybe actually the bigger problem is being secure in myself to share those with other people.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>build something of a personality
try seeing it more as filling your life with joy and happiness
building a personality will feel like a chore
the goal here is to live a fulfilling life
a happy life
where you focus on the things you want to
and where you can look back in a few years / decades and say my time was well spend
>the bigger problem is being secure in myself
don't even think about this
never
you do you, your life, you only got one (or just this one for the moment if you're religious)
confidence will come once you're more satisfied with yourself
this is nothing you have to worry about!
1 year ago
Anonymous
>building a personality will feel like a chore
the goal here is to live a fulfilling life
That makes a lot of sense thanks
Unfortunately suddenly deciding that I'm the most important person in the world when up to now I've lived to placate myself to everyone else's will is easier said than done, but I'm working on it. Just imagine I have a child's level of ability to care for myself because in this regard that is exactly what I have
but don't forget before you get into a relationship women have, just like you, a preferred type
being IST attracts a certain kind of women more
doesn't mean that you won't have chances with anyone else, but every look (provided you don't look like a slob) has advantages for a certain target group
All of that is bullshit. Women are mostly attracted by looks. All your personality, humour and wittiness will never matter if you're below a woman's standards.
>as long as you live with passion and progress. You'll sweep any girl of her feet.
I'm in my yummy self redemption arc, I'm such a whitepilled optimistcel
rare post of truth
if youre a desperate suicidal loser who lives on fit, this is one of your rare chances to see how the world actually works
if youre short ugly and fat youre probably not going to pull a 8+/10 qt3.14 but thats just life and if you cant accept that then kys Black person.
People accuse me of “lifting to look good” but I would likely have killed myself long ago if it wasn’t for the small bit of dopamine and endorphins or whatever chemical my brain releases as a result of working out. It’s all that I have to get by, I am so lonely.
cope. the last girl I banged couldn't keep her hands off my arms, chest and shoulders to a point she wanted to do positions where she could see or feel my muscles. not even fit almost 1/2/3/4 lmao.
>cope. the last girl I banged couldn't keep her hands off my arms, chest and shoulders to a point she wanted to do positions where she could see or feel my muscles. not even fit almost 1/2/3/4 lmao.
>all else equal, women prefer handsome twinks and not handsome bodybuilders
the point is all else is not equal, being a handsome twink is heavily dependent on age/frame/looks even personality, there are people that will never be twinks but could improve themselves with exercise/hypertrophy. Its like saying if you can't become a doctor there's no point being an electrician, just because you cannot be "the best" doesn't mean being better is not worth trying.
>implying she knows women
she only knows simps and the dudes she uses to cheat in relationship
still baffled people simp for an emaciated prostitute with daddy issues
To extend what is inevitably going to become my relatively short life so I can see my son grow up and leave him with some sort of a leg up in life, as my father before me was too fricked up to leave anything but despair, and so I can pound my wife into submission harder.
When I started I could only bench 30kg
Now I can bench 50kg
Eventually I'll be able to bench 150kg
It's a very motivational thought that in my mid 20s I'll have the strength of 5 of who I was in my early 20s.
I own a company that many people in my community depend on
I decided a few years back that an early death, a road I was certainly on, would have been bad for more than just me.
I now only work 50 hour weeks and make time for exercise and healthy eating.
can you give advice about starting a company?
Yeah pray, work long hours and jump in with both feet knowing that half of business fail in the first 5 years. You better have a product you believe in.
Also once established always be on the lookout for horizontal expansion.
Do you make widgets? Those widgets need to be cleaned, stored, tested/audited, repaired, upgraded etc. and you are the guy to do it.
Our side businesses now makes the same amount as our main business.
Humility is important too, I view everything as a gift from God. >how do you make sure to provide value to your community/profitability
Hire people you trust, trust the people you hire and fill positions by word of mouth. Be generous.
i train upper body days so that I can look good, manly and obtain more respect from colleagues
I train lower body because there is something visceral, unlike anything I've ever done before, about when you squat with heavy weight, it's therapeutic and addictive at the same time, I will never stop squatting heavy even though I'm not a powershitter
I keep seeing this bandied about as gospel but it's not the whole picture. Women don't like freakbeast guys. They don't like guys who are ridiculously muscled. They absolute like guys with athletic physiques and definition. They just don't understand that guys with athletic physiques still have to work out a lot. The same women who say 'I can't lift weights I'll get too bulky' are the same women who think that dudes who pump iron look like Arnold. They don't get that even a decent body requires some consistent exercise. That's why you can literally tell them you do yoga or pilates and they'll believe it. They have no concept of what it takes to have the hollywood buff body.
When you ask a women do you like men who have muscles and lift weights they assume you're talking about roided out meatheads. I talked to a 40 year old female coworker about this two days ago. 'Yeah I just don't see the appeal of guys who go to the gym all that big bulky muscle all hard... It's just weird it doesn't do anything for me.' She was completely oblivious to the fact that theres a massive gulf between guys who work out and maintain a good body and guys who compete in bodybuilding competition.
Girls absolutely like big arms and shoulders. They absolutely get weak in the knees for defined abs, thick necks, juicy glutes and a muscular back. When they say they don't want a big muscle man they're literally talking about Mr Olympia tier mass monsters because they don't get that you can lift weights regularly and not look like that. Half the time they find out you go to the gym and they're surprised you don't look like that.
1. I have nothing better to do atm
2. I have really good base genetics, so with fitness i look incredible. If i wasn't aesthetic looking, i would never do any of this shit.
I hate eating to the point where if I'm not careful I'll end up perma weak, dizzy and tired which is no bueno tbh. Lifting forces me to eat a decent amount of calories.
Also because I want to embody the mental strength of historical figures I respect (i.e. Marcus Aurelius, Alexander the Great, Muhammad PBU, the Berserker of Stamford bridge, etc,..)
If you're natty you will never be "too big" for most women, excluding some that just don't like any muscles and prefer twinks/chubby men or whatever.
Even if you are roiding, the fitness industry and now influencers/tiktok fake natties have shifted the perception of "natty achievable" so much that you're still probably not going to get too big.
>None of you are real. Nothing is actually real. I'm in my own simulation/reality. This is all just a dream.
I'm the guy who makes your leg go spaghetti when you try to run in dreams.
The problem is whether women prefer one body type over another is irrelevant when it is not of high priority to them. So in that regard that faux guy is right. Think about it this way, if a muscular, ripped body mattered a lot to women they would all pick the less attractive jacked guys over the handsome skinny or even skinnyfat guys. Or they would pick the short but fit guy over the tall but slightly overweight or lanky guy. The reality is that even if they preferred muscular guys, which could be entirely true, it just isn't important enough to them to sway their decision.
There are a few reasons but the main reason is that to me its really fun to improve myself. Its like leveling up in a videogame just 1000x more rewarding and satisfying
I lift for myself. I want to see how big and strong I can get while I'm still young enough to reach my limits. What else would I do? Get soft and weak and feel vaguely sick all the time and be a useless piece of shit? What other choice even is there?
It supports my mountain bike dh racing. Also feels good, it’s healthy, feel relaxed afterwards, something productive to do with my time and help to get laid.
I lift so I can stay capable and in good health.
I lift because it helps to clear my mind in a life that's otherwise full of concerns and worries.
I lift for the satisfaction and feeling of accomplishment I get when I hit a new PR or grind through a particularly challenging set or workout.
I lift because even in spite of the hard work and technique training I do, the weights still manage to keep me humble.
I lift because being in good health, having good posture and developed muscles makes me feel confident, and I like to imagine, in turn inspires other people's confidence in me.
I lift for the pump.
I lift because otherwise I'd just sit at home and beat my dick in front of the computer.
I lift because I've had a taste of the good life, and I'm not going back to being a doughy little b***hmade DYEL. Vain as it may sound, I never had women come on to me or clinging to my arm before, and while I never had seething DYELs try to give me shit before, I could never shut them down so confidently as I can now if I didn't lift.
I started because I wanted to lose weight and i learned to love lifting heavy, it feels like im playing an rpg game irl. you just invest time and you level up your lifts
i love being able to lift more than 99% of my gym
I want to squat and deadlift 300kg by the time im 30.
I work in tech, so if I'm a skinny weakling then people assume I'm a pretentious, superiority-complex-having homosexual.
When people learn that I'm in tech after the first impression of "damn, I wish I had a body like that" it earns a ton of respect.
I still have a superiority complex, but people respect it in this case, because they know I'm superior.
I look like a racist skin head and apparently black women like that. I don't know what advice to give you because they just always seem to hit on my themselves. Although in my country most black women are Caribbean immigrants not a local population like USA.
ya, Ontario Canada. City I'm in has a ton of Caribbean international students that come here for university. I dunno why but they all seem to love the skin head white guy look.
>im already fricking balding might as well do the same. do you also have a full beard?
I'm not bald but I buzz my head and beard down with a #1 clipper guard, and shave my neck below my jaw line. Lean into the racist skin head look (I have sleeves and a chest piece) and apparently all these Caribbean bunnies love it. My current FWB is a super fit girl from the Bahamas.
I was a late bloomer, I never really thought about it while in school but it took a toll on me. Girls weren't interested, I wasn't good at sports, and I was always skinny fat. I also had a small dick (legit 4" into high school) and a fricked up home life. I flat out accepted girls weren't into me and didn't even try, same thing with pretty much all aspects of my life.
I got to college and just got sick of it. I was sick of being bad at fricking everything. I decided to try, for once in my life actually work at something and give it my all so at least I could look back and know that I did something about it.
I hit the gym and went religiously (5-6 days a week) and started giving a shit about my appearance. I couldn't even do a pull-up or bench more than 90lbs at first, but I sucked it up and kept going. For the first time in my life I noticed progress, I actually became stronger. I realized I had a lot of bad shit instilled in me from my childhood and this was the kick I needed to overcome it. I'm not sure if it was just my age or the test boost from lifting, but it was like I hit a second puberty. I started getting some hair on my chest, the fat on my face went away, started seeing abs, my dick was now hitting 7", and I felt confident talking to other people.
My life did a complete 180, I was getting hit on all the time, had my first kiss with a girl who asked me out, met my gf (also asked me out), started getting As instead of B/C's, got compliments on my appearance, and felt a lot better about myself. One that really stands out was when I was working an internship and there were pictures taken of us and someone in the office saw my pic and out loud said "that kid looks like an Abercrombie model lol" when looking through them. Never in my life had I heard someone say that about me who wasn't my mom, and for no reason either.
I lift now to maintain discipline but also as physical thank you to the gym. I owe the weights everything in my life.
Because I've been fat, miserable, and had low self esteem for the last 20 years. Working out has made me look better, feel better, and like myself more. Women finally being attracted to me is just a byproduct, a nice byproduct, but not the end all reason.
In my teens and twenties I lifted to get stronger and for aesthetics. In my early thirties I lift mainly for the health benefits and out of habit. Without exercising I don't feel like eating frick all either.
WOMEN LOVE THE LOOK
The only reason they say they don't is a massive group shit test for ALL men. When you are jacked you signal yourself as a high value man. When you are weak because "women prefer it" you signal yourself as a man that can be manipulated to do whatever women want you to do.
Unironically this. Women are hardly capable of introspection due to society coddling them. Their words cannot be trusted as they don't own what they think want feel or intend, not even to themselves. Everything is presentation, including their sexual preferences, because it is all calculating their value in the socio-sexual marketplace.
You children can assume inceldom all you want, but in reality this view comes from too much wasted time on cumdumpsters. Even the good women need an actual man to keep them in check and demand more from them than the world around them does.
>reduce the risk of injury and chronic health >strengthen immune system >to make tubby blob baby men my age feel bad about themselves >to make desperate women showing interest feel bad when I reject them
Will to power, overman, etc.
I believe that with perfection being unattainable but within the realm of imagination, it's man's duty to pursue it. I also believe that building your best self is the best way to leave a positive mark on the world and the lives of others.
I pursue power and strength as a means to embody my perfect self as closely as possible, and as a means to secure my freedom to do so.
I do the same with everything else.
so i don't kill myself
this but unironically
I'm probably in the best shape of my life and it does nothing for depression. Guilt is what works to keep me alive. Too much guilt about what ending things would do to relations.
But I thought “getting a six pack” cured depression?
It worked for me. I have no depression and almost zero anxiety despite my life being objectively far better before- full head of hair, great job and education, lots of female attention. I got on roids too though
Apparently it does
>I have never met anyone who exercises regularly who is depressed
y-yeah me too
>Be depressed
>Start lifting
>"Lifting heavy stone make sad head noises go away"
>Reach plateau
>Become depressed again
>Break plateau
>No longer depressed
>Reach new plateau
>Rinse repeat
WHAT THE FRICK DO YOU WANT FROM ME, BRAIN?!
Same anon, same..
It wants you to transfer that process of progress into other domains of your life.
realest reply in this thread. Unfortunately not many ISTizens understand this.
Indeed. Fitness is only a means to an end. You don't build a racecar and say you won the race. You still need to race
The reason for this is it is a weak and feminine act to be outwardly depressed as a part of your character.
If you work out and get strong, you are able to present a much more positive version of yourself to the outside world because you understand through your own journey that nobody likes the weak, depressed dude you used to be. Much more respect is given to the positive stoic that's working on himself versus the depressed weakling that whines and changes nothing.
It's a positive feedback loop in a way.
I noticed the same thing. Occasionally I write what I'm thinking in a journal and recently I re-read my thoughts from a few years ago before I made this transformation.
I was an incredibly whiny, pathetic creature. I feel about my past self the way a high school bully feels about a nerd. It's surreal that I basically am the 'bully' in this situation, while also being a decent guy who just happens to be more masculine than average. I'm not mean to anyone, but I don't take shit - which never even comes up because almost no one ever gives me shit.
it's kind of a trip. this whole experience taught me that people severely underestimate how much life can change you. I am currently what my old self would call a 'masculine caricature'.
>I basically am the 'bully' in this situation, while also being a decent guy who just happens to be more masculine than average.
This is all the typical "bullies" that shit about swirlies and wedgies for no reason was just Hollywood trying to emasculate you.
What about the guy that has a subsurface simmering anger all of the time from being whacked out on tren? Or just hates the world? Women look at that and think "Based."
honestly yeah.
my life doesnt even truly change when I lift but I enjoy most of the neet things I do more.
no. as a bipolar 2 anon, it frickin does not cure depression. pic related, I'm the monke bro.
what phenotype is this?
A thumb.
Do it for love anon, not guilt
Same. I never understand the people who say that exercise helps their mental health. For me it doesn't help at all. I'll be in the middle of an intense workout but inside I'm thinking about so much bullshit and sometimes even crying inside. It does help indirectly to make myself feel better physically and gives me a reason to go do something out of the house.
Pretty much this
People accuse me of “lifting to look good” but I would likely have killed myself long ago if it wasn’t for the small bit of dopamine and endorphins or whatever chemical my brain releases as a result of working out. It’s all that I have to get by, I am so lonely.
So I DO kill myself
FOR MY RAGE
Can you be my ragefu?
Hard to believe Metal Gear is really over, huh
on the bright side, we didn't have to see the franchise drag out long enough to suck.
one of the beautiful things about the franchise is that it's all high-quality Kojima shit. Brief, but beautiful.
A fling in childhood worth remembering. In a non-pedo way.
I AM STILL JUST A RAT IN A CAGE
I lift because I'm an incel. Not because I want to stop being an incel, but because I want to earn ire from normies commensurate with my hatred of them.
Based
To impress iris, I already said this. Need my qt chocolate egirl and escaping skelly mode is the only way I will be good enough for her.
>lifts for literal underage b& 4/10 mutt
Classic IST
"Few girls I know seem to care/prefer it"
Translation:
"I'm low/mid, and all the low/mid girls I put on a pedestal, who cannot get a high value man, care/prefer it"
don't turn this into another incel LULZ thread you dumb Black person. it's proven that all else equal, women prefer handsome twinks and not handsome bodybuilders
Women prefer funny and confident men. You don't need to "be" anything except your self. When she loves you, she'll love you for your personality. When you come home after a PR and she sees your excitement she'll be intoxicated by your emotions and come grab your arms. If you came home with a promotion she'd run jump in your arms as well. Women love you once you love yourself, and whatever it is you're passionate about. She likes your dick because you love it and is confident about it. If it's huge she'll call you huge because she knows you like it, if you're tiny she'll say you move like a master because she loves you - anything to make you feel good.
When you're ripped she'll see the confidence that exudes from your body, and be infatuated with it. But it's you that she loves. It doesn't matter if it's music, sports, science or arts, as long as you live with passion and progress. You'll sweep any girl of her feet.
There is a world out there, and whatever the internet has brainwashed you into believing is wrong. Be your self, have fun, enjoy what you do, progress and don't give a shit if others find it "sexy". If being huge makes you happy, then that's what she'll find sexy.
>> PS: Don't equate "being yourself" and "doing what you want" with playing video games and being a sloppy neckbeard. I'm talking about achieving dreams and living your life to the fullest. Have a positive outlook and get rid of all your excuses.
Beautifully said, anon
Captcha: YJAPS0
Still preferable to be at least lean. Not everyone can be Patrice Oneal and be fat and get women
>You don't need to "be" anything except your self.
Very few men are "funny and confident." Telling these shlubs that girls like funny and confident men and that the should just be themselves is contradictory.
Confidence comes from honing a skill or life path. Being funny comes from confidence. Sure you might not be funny to everyone, but you'll be funny to the ones that matter, and confidence doesn't need to extend to every aspect of your life, just in the contexts that matter to you.
Exercise is a healthy way to keep my endorphins and happy vibes going.
If I don't I either end up in a pit, fapping, or some other shitty habit.
can confirm. When I am less confident everything is shit. Reverse is true as well.
True only once you get into the dating stage
Just like with men being attracted to women, you secondary sexual characteristics (jaw, height, musculature) get your foot in the door
Cope.
Women prefer funny and confident men. You don't need to "be" anything except your self. When she.... blah, blah.
T. Pic related
>buzzword, sarcasm, t. irony
One day your bitterness will swallow you. You will regret the time you spent here. All the tears you held back in your bucket of spite will come pissing out when you realise there are no walls, just hollow.
>tl;dr ok, cool
Joke's on you. I've already been swallowed by bitterness so I win.
well this is just downright mature and well adjusted
if I follow this advice I might never create a tulpa
>You don't need to "be" anything except your self*
*if "your self" is an attractive high-status male in some domain already
Status means nothing
unironically happier after reading this
Anons starting to turn 30 makes IST so much better
The other day I realized I've been here since 2005. I've gone through high school/college (there's a cut off in between here in my country), got a career, got married, have kids and gone through a divorce in that time frame. I wonder how many of my fellow shitposters from that time are still here.
I started lurking in 2007, life moves fast
>Women love you once you love yourself
shit. this means i will never get laid
I was neglected as a child and as such I don't have any base of "just be yourself" to go off of. All I can do is chameleon myself to who I'm speaking with and adjust to their wants and expectations
>I was neglected as a child and as such I don't have any base of "just be yourself" to go off of. All I can do is chameleon myself to who I'm speaking with and adjust to their wants and expectations
I feel you, fellow chameleon-bro. I didn't start to form my own identity until three years ago at the ripe age of 31.
Any tips to a struggling chameleon-bro? I've removed myself from 90% of my social connections that made me act in a certain way and am living abroad to try and fend for myself some more
Can't really say, to be honest. It took me a rough divorce for something to just snap, and break the chains in my mind for some kind of "personality" to take form and made me strike out on my own. I've got tons of positive reactions to my new personality, but also a plenty of people who can't deal with me not giving a particular frick about them.
I was waiting for a snap kind of moment but nothing ever came along. Must feel nice to get those positive reactions from people, and also that you don't need to care about everyone anymore
My anxiety at 28 is less than at 18, and I think I needed all this time to even get to a level where I can address this. Being liked cognitively is not what I want, just the brain is used to always doing what will make the most number of people like me - which funnily enough has stopped working recently, my insincerity must be obvious from a mile away
I wish I could tell how to give yourself that kick in the ass. It's been very liberating to me, and I hadn't even realized how much of a chameleon I was until I wasn't anymore.
I think the kick that even got me thinking about this was LSD, but that was a while ago and I'm slowly tackling it. Glad to hear it anon
>This is why when I see a bro acting like a clown I tell them asap, even publicly if they're getting on my nerves clownmaxxing like morons.
Like Batman you've found your jokers. I bet that goes down well when they get told to shut up for the first time in their lives
Not that anon but I have met plenty of guys who said doing psychedelics once was what made them aware of whatever problems they had and enabled them to come out of their shell. Some said that it was like a thousand hours of therapy
>my insincerity must be obvious from a mile away
It probably is, women are especially good at spotting it. The gf from the bad breakup I told you about told me after 2 dates that she knew I was acting unnaturally in big groups of people from the get go (we'd known each other for months before dating) and to be fair she wasn't the only person who told me lol
This is why when I see a bro acting like a clown I tell them asap, even publicly if they're getting on my nerves clownmaxxing like morons. People hate when I do this but it's got to be done
not that guy but I'm just as old, I just stopped giving a frick, I like what and who I like and I act on it. Honestly it's not the best approach if you want to be liked but again, I don't really care about that anymore.
I've just realised this post was very edgy and I didn't mean it. I tried being more outgoing and conventionally fun in my 20s and I could do it but by the end of the day I was absolutely drained.
Much like the other dude here I just couldn't keep that facade anymore after a pretty bad breakup, it took me a good 3 years to fully recover from that and it happened when I realised there's no need to pretend to be anyone else. I can only play to my strengths instead of acting against my deepest nature. Hope it makes sense bro best of luck
>such I don't have any base of "just be yourself"
then build it!
Most normies usually change completely every decade or two
find out what makes you passionate about
it won't be easy
pay attention on where you lose track of time, like you do something and suddenly it's 3h later - this is a good indicator of things you usually really enjoy doing
if you don't have anything like this, take some time and think about your goals in life, where do you want to be in 10years in 20 and so on
this doesn't have to be something great
simple things like "I want to be able to go to the sauna every weekend" or "I enjoy cooking so I want a large kitchen and be able to spend 2h / day to cook something" are completely valid goals to!
make a plan with small steps on how to achieve these goals
and in no time you have a "self"
suddenly you're the person that often does X or regularly goes to Y etc.
really try it
having a "self" isn't only for your potential partner
it does wonders for your mental wellbeing
and your social life
Thanks for the advice. The thing about losing track of time is good, basically any activity that gets you in a flow state.
I feel like I have enough things to be able to build something of a personality for myself, and then maybe actually the bigger problem is being secure in myself to share those with other people.
>build something of a personality
try seeing it more as filling your life with joy and happiness
building a personality will feel like a chore
the goal here is to live a fulfilling life
a happy life
where you focus on the things you want to
and where you can look back in a few years / decades and say my time was well spend
>the bigger problem is being secure in myself
don't even think about this
never
you do you, your life, you only got one (or just this one for the moment if you're religious)
confidence will come once you're more satisfied with yourself
this is nothing you have to worry about!
>building a personality will feel like a chore
the goal here is to live a fulfilling life
That makes a lot of sense thanks
Unfortunately suddenly deciding that I'm the most important person in the world when up to now I've lived to placate myself to everyone else's will is easier said than done, but I'm working on it. Just imagine I have a child's level of ability to care for myself because in this regard that is exactly what I have
unironically this
but don't forget before you get into a relationship women have, just like you, a preferred type
being IST attracts a certain kind of women more
doesn't mean that you won't have chances with anyone else, but every look (provided you don't look like a slob) has advantages for a certain target group
take my upvote, good sir!
This guy lives
All of that is bullshit. Women are mostly attracted by looks. All your personality, humour and wittiness will never matter if you're below a woman's standards.
>as long as you live with passion and progress. You'll sweep any girl of her feet.
I'm in my yummy self redemption arc, I'm such a whitepilled optimistcel
For Zoomers this is all a cope, just be tall, handsome and then don't frick things up from that point by being too autistic and you're good to go.
Thanks for the whitepill friend. This is absolutely true for any girl worth being with.
rare post of truth
if youre a desperate suicidal loser who lives on fit, this is one of your rare chances to see how the world actually works
if youre short ugly and fat youre probably not going to pull a 8+/10 qt3.14 but thats just life and if you cant accept that then kys Black person.
Best post on IST
Holy frick, bros. Is it really this perfect?
Same.
nicely put, anon
cope. the last girl I banged couldn't keep her hands off my arms, chest and shoulders to a point she wanted to do positions where she could see or feel my muscles. not even fit almost 1/2/3/4 lmao.
>cope. the last girl I banged couldn't keep her hands off my arms, chest and shoulders to a point she wanted to do positions where she could see or feel my muscles. not even fit almost 1/2/3/4 lmao.
reddit
>all else equal, women prefer handsome twinks and not handsome bodybuilders
the point is all else is not equal, being a handsome twink is heavily dependent on age/frame/looks even personality, there are people that will never be twinks but could improve themselves with exercise/hypertrophy. Its like saying if you can't become a doctor there's no point being an electrician, just because you cannot be "the best" doesn't mean being better is not worth trying.
Never trust what women say, observe what they do.
She can 100% get a “high value man”
There is no life behind those cold dead eyes, she looks like a mannequin
she is using contact lenses
to frick her? sure. to stay with her? whole nother story.
Sure, post her boyfriends. Let's see how much she doesn't care about appearance
HOW
How what?
They’re in the same league.
>t. Zoomer incel
Because I'm disgusted by the swarms of trout shouldered, pot bellied, sunken chest, noodly armed fricks I see everywhere. I refuse to be that.
Based
For women
>implying she knows women
she only knows simps and the dudes she uses to cheat in relationship
still baffled people simp for an emaciated prostitute with daddy issues
she uses this board btw
Bros… he won.
>some simp homosexual Anon keeps posting her pics
>Bro she totally browses here
You are either him or incredibly fricking dumb
qrd? So she’s a ISTizen?
her username is FAUXRE
To extend what is inevitably going to become my relatively short life so I can see my son grow up and leave him with some sort of a leg up in life, as my father before me was too fricked up to leave anything but despair, and so I can pound my wife into submission harder.
When I started I could only bench 30kg
Now I can bench 50kg
Eventually I'll be able to bench 150kg
It's a very motivational thought that in my mid 20s I'll have the strength of 5 of who I was in my early 20s.
i lift to intimidate manlets
I feel better
I own a company that many people in my community depend on
I decided a few years back that an early death, a road I was certainly on, would have been bad for more than just me.
I now only work 50 hour weeks and make time for exercise and healthy eating.
can you give advice about starting a company? how do you make sure to provide value to your community while maintaining profitability
can you give advice about starting a company?
Yeah pray, work long hours and jump in with both feet knowing that half of business fail in the first 5 years. You better have a product you believe in.
Also once established always be on the lookout for horizontal expansion.
Do you make widgets? Those widgets need to be cleaned, stored, tested/audited, repaired, upgraded etc. and you are the guy to do it.
Our side businesses now makes the same amount as our main business.
Humility is important too, I view everything as a gift from God.
>how do you make sure to provide value to your community/profitability
Hire people you trust, trust the people you hire and fill positions by word of mouth. Be generous.
i train upper body days so that I can look good, manly and obtain more respect from colleagues
I train lower body because there is something visceral, unlike anything I've ever done before, about when you squat with heavy weight, it's therapeutic and addictive at the same time, I will never stop squatting heavy even though I'm not a powershitter
The same reason I don't kill myself:
Out of spite.
don't mind me while I step outside to vomit
This reads like my texts when I was 15-16
I'm 18
This is fricking awful.
Ive seen worse
I know right, I wish a woman would talk to me
Reading online dating chats makes me cringe so hard, this is one of the reasons I don't partake in this shit
'Women don't like buff guys'...
I keep seeing this bandied about as gospel but it's not the whole picture. Women don't like freakbeast guys. They don't like guys who are ridiculously muscled. They absolute like guys with athletic physiques and definition. They just don't understand that guys with athletic physiques still have to work out a lot. The same women who say 'I can't lift weights I'll get too bulky' are the same women who think that dudes who pump iron look like Arnold. They don't get that even a decent body requires some consistent exercise. That's why you can literally tell them you do yoga or pilates and they'll believe it. They have no concept of what it takes to have the hollywood buff body.
When you ask a women do you like men who have muscles and lift weights they assume you're talking about roided out meatheads. I talked to a 40 year old female coworker about this two days ago. 'Yeah I just don't see the appeal of guys who go to the gym all that big bulky muscle all hard... It's just weird it doesn't do anything for me.' She was completely oblivious to the fact that theres a massive gulf between guys who work out and maintain a good body and guys who compete in bodybuilding competition.
Girls absolutely like big arms and shoulders. They absolutely get weak in the knees for defined abs, thick necks, juicy glutes and a muscular back. When they say they don't want a big muscle man they're literally talking about Mr Olympia tier mass monsters because they don't get that you can lift weights regularly and not look like that. Half the time they find out you go to the gym and they're surprised you don't look like that.
They, they really are semi-moronic arent they.
>what it takes to have the hollywood buff body.
It’s mostly roids for actors. Some fairly serious training as well but mostly cheating.
1. I have nothing better to do atm
2. I have really good base genetics, so with fitness i look incredible. If i wasn't aesthetic looking, i would never do any of this shit.
for the difficult
>I learn from the mistakes of people who take my advice
Her "friends" want her to go after slobs lmaoooooo imagine trusting foids even as an alleged "woman"
I hate eating to the point where if I'm not careful I'll end up perma weak, dizzy and tired which is no bueno tbh. Lifting forces me to eat a decent amount of calories.
Also because I want to embody the mental strength of historical figures I respect (i.e. Marcus Aurelius, Alexander the Great, Muhammad PBU, the Berserker of Stamford bridge, etc,..)
>Muhammad PBU
go be moslim somewhere else
If you're natty you will never be "too big" for most women, excluding some that just don't like any muscles and prefer twinks/chubby men or whatever.
Even if you are roiding, the fitness industry and now influencers/tiktok fake natties have shifted the perception of "natty achievable" so much that you're still probably not going to get too big.
Health
For the utter destruction of Israel and the israeli menace.
Is she okay?
None of you are real. Nothing is actually real. I'm in my own simulation/reality. This is all just a dream.
What’s wrong?
Everything. It isn't real, none of it exists, I want to go back to reality
>None of you are real. Nothing is actually real. I'm in my own simulation/reality. This is all just a dream.
I'm the guy who makes your leg go spaghetti when you try to run in dreams.
So? What will you do about it?
I'm disciplined so I can prove everyone wrong.
Im preparing for war
The problem is whether women prefer one body type over another is irrelevant when it is not of high priority to them. So in that regard that faux guy is right. Think about it this way, if a muscular, ripped body mattered a lot to women they would all pick the less attractive jacked guys over the handsome skinny or even skinnyfat guys. Or they would pick the short but fit guy over the tall but slightly overweight or lanky guy. The reality is that even if they preferred muscular guys, which could be entirely true, it just isn't important enough to them to sway their decision.
There are a few reasons but the main reason is that to me its really fun to improve myself. Its like leveling up in a videogame just 1000x more rewarding and satisfying
I lift for myself. I want to see how big and strong I can get while I'm still young enough to reach my limits. What else would I do? Get soft and weak and feel vaguely sick all the time and be a useless piece of shit? What other choice even is there?
>I lift for myself.
The biggest cope
It supports my mountain bike dh racing. Also feels good, it’s healthy, feel relaxed afterwards, something productive to do with my time and help to get laid.
I lift so I can stay capable and in good health.
I lift because it helps to clear my mind in a life that's otherwise full of concerns and worries.
I lift for the satisfaction and feeling of accomplishment I get when I hit a new PR or grind through a particularly challenging set or workout.
I lift because even in spite of the hard work and technique training I do, the weights still manage to keep me humble.
I lift because being in good health, having good posture and developed muscles makes me feel confident, and I like to imagine, in turn inspires other people's confidence in me.
I lift for the pump.
I lift because otherwise I'd just sit at home and beat my dick in front of the computer.
I lift because I've had a taste of the good life, and I'm not going back to being a doughy little b***hmade DYEL. Vain as it may sound, I never had women come on to me or clinging to my arm before, and while I never had seething DYELs try to give me shit before, I could never shut them down so confidently as I can now if I didn't lift.
I started because I wanted to lose weight and i learned to love lifting heavy, it feels like im playing an rpg game irl. you just invest time and you level up your lifts
i love being able to lift more than 99% of my gym
I want to squat and deadlift 300kg by the time im 30.
I enjoy it
I LIFT FOR TIGHT BLONDE PUSSY AND IM TIRED OF PRETENDING I DONT
Anon-sama.. i kneel
I work in tech, so if I'm a skinny weakling then people assume I'm a pretentious, superiority-complex-having homosexual.
When people learn that I'm in tech after the first impression of "damn, I wish I had a body like that" it earns a ton of respect.
I still have a superiority complex, but people respect it in this case, because they know I'm superior.
I'm sure all of this is true
Well, Shit.... you got me. I lift for women.
Everyone does
>inb4, nuh uhhh
because all the hot chocolate women in my city like the muscular tattooed white guy with a buzz cut look
tips on getting/being with black women?
I look like a racist skin head and apparently black women like that. I don't know what advice to give you because they just always seem to hit on my themselves. Although in my country most black women are Caribbean immigrants not a local population like USA.
based
where are you at? canada?
im already fricking balding might aswell do the same. do you also have a full beard?
ya, Ontario Canada. City I'm in has a ton of Caribbean international students that come here for university. I dunno why but they all seem to love the skin head white guy look.
>im already fricking balding might as well do the same. do you also have a full beard?
I'm not bald but I buzz my head and beard down with a #1 clipper guard, and shave my neck below my jaw line. Lean into the racist skin head look (I have sleeves and a chest piece) and apparently all these Caribbean bunnies love it. My current FWB is a super fit girl from the Bahamas.
sorry bbcs, northmen gets the girl
I pretend it will one day increase the chance of someone loving me.
To defend weak.
I was a late bloomer, I never really thought about it while in school but it took a toll on me. Girls weren't interested, I wasn't good at sports, and I was always skinny fat. I also had a small dick (legit 4" into high school) and a fricked up home life. I flat out accepted girls weren't into me and didn't even try, same thing with pretty much all aspects of my life.
I got to college and just got sick of it. I was sick of being bad at fricking everything. I decided to try, for once in my life actually work at something and give it my all so at least I could look back and know that I did something about it.
I hit the gym and went religiously (5-6 days a week) and started giving a shit about my appearance. I couldn't even do a pull-up or bench more than 90lbs at first, but I sucked it up and kept going. For the first time in my life I noticed progress, I actually became stronger. I realized I had a lot of bad shit instilled in me from my childhood and this was the kick I needed to overcome it. I'm not sure if it was just my age or the test boost from lifting, but it was like I hit a second puberty. I started getting some hair on my chest, the fat on my face went away, started seeing abs, my dick was now hitting 7", and I felt confident talking to other people.
My life did a complete 180, I was getting hit on all the time, had my first kiss with a girl who asked me out, met my gf (also asked me out), started getting As instead of B/C's, got compliments on my appearance, and felt a lot better about myself. One that really stands out was when I was working an internship and there were pictures taken of us and someone in the office saw my pic and out loud said "that kid looks like an Abercrombie model lol" when looking through them. Never in my life had I heard someone say that about me who wasn't my mom, and for no reason either.
I lift now to maintain discipline but also as physical thank you to the gym. I owe the weights everything in my life.
/blog
Proud of you anon. You’re an inspiration to me.
probably fake but i want to believe it, monday i'll start lifting again
So I can hug better
Whom your hugging?
>listening to women about what they want
I'm not a blackpilled c**t, but please dont do this.
I lift because, at certain times of day, my current task is to lift.
I lift so I can be in peak sexfighting condition so I can wrestle, frick, and breed the hottest and worthy of pureblood women!
Wtf
I hold myself to high standards, bring physically un(der)developed means i wouldn't meet my own standards.
Yes, they do. Women just think that the male body is naturally ottermode.
This. Because women don't have to do frick all to look aesthetic, they think they we also play life on easy mode.
Because i'm in love
to get over rejection
Guys do all the work in bed.
So girls stay because sex is better.
Simple as.
female attention almost entirely. gotten none so far
t. 11 years lifting
Because I've been fat, miserable, and had low self esteem for the last 20 years. Working out has made me look better, feel better, and like myself more. Women finally being attracted to me is just a byproduct, a nice byproduct, but not the end all reason.
In my teens and twenties I lifted to get stronger and for aesthetics. In my early thirties I lift mainly for the health benefits and out of habit. Without exercising I don't feel like eating frick all either.
WOMEN LOVE THE LOOK
The only reason they say they don't is a massive group shit test for ALL men. When you are jacked you signal yourself as a high value man. When you are weak because "women prefer it" you signal yourself as a man that can be manipulated to do whatever women want you to do.
NEVER LISTEN TO WHAT A WOMAN SAYS
Unironically this. Women are hardly capable of introspection due to society coddling them. Their words cannot be trusted as they don't own what they think want feel or intend, not even to themselves. Everything is presentation, including their sexual preferences, because it is all calculating their value in the socio-sexual marketplace.
You children can assume inceldom all you want, but in reality this view comes from too much wasted time on cumdumpsters. Even the good women need an actual man to keep them in check and demand more from them than the world around them does.
>reduce the risk of injury and chronic health
>strengthen immune system
>to make tubby blob baby men my age feel bad about themselves
>to make desperate women showing interest feel bad when I reject them
Because I'm pretty sure when I get rid of my gyno I'll be able to unlock my curse technique.
>crinjutsu kaisen
when I achieve 1/2/3/4 I'll unlock Nen
>isn't already 1/2/3/4
What have you been doing while waiting for chapters? Jujutsuchads are always using our breaks for physical gains.
I don't lift but I run - it just really helps with my emotional regulation I feel a lot happier and stronger.
Will to power, overman, etc.
I believe that with perfection being unattainable but within the realm of imagination, it's man's duty to pursue it. I also believe that building your best self is the best way to leave a positive mark on the world and the lives of others.
I pursue power and strength as a means to embody my perfect self as closely as possible, and as a means to secure my freedom to do so.
I do the same with everything else.