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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    To become the best I can be.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Both are wrong. Veganism is one of the most moronic "diets". Avoiding lean meat, fish, eggs, and yoghurt only makes you weaker and less healthy. And you can eat donuts, chips, and other seed oil laden flour shit all day while still eating "vegan". Eating more vegetables and less processed food is good, but it has nothing to do with avoiding unprocessed animal foods.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Avoiding lean meat, fish, eggs, and yoghurt only makes you weaker and less healthy.
      [citation needed]

      I have never seen a single study saying any of those improves health in any way.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15927927/#:~:text=Lean%20red%20meat%20is%20also,levels%20or%20thrombotic%20risk%20factors).

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          It's not saying eating expensive animal junk improves heart health. Try again.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Shifting the goalposts this much.
            Gee, it looks like your brain isn't functioning too well. I wonder why... Surely it couldn't be nutritional deficiencies from a subhuman diet could it...? A lack of essential vitamins, minerals and protein surely couldn't affect brain function that much could it...?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Shifting the goalposts this much.
              I specifically asked
              >I have never seen a single study saying any of those improves health in any way.
              >improves health
              And the best you could do is provide something that said
              >lean red meat, trimmed of visible fat, which is consumed in a diet low in saturated fat does not increase cardiovascular risk factors
              >does not increase
              Not reducing it either.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Lean red meat is also a good source of protein, omega-3 fatty acids, vitamin B12, niacin, zinc and iron
                I understand that subhumans like yourself think that such nutrients do not improve one's health (after all, without them you very nearly resemble the cognitive abilities of an adolescent), but in any case, you absolutely did shift goalposts by changing "health" to specifically "heart health", and moreover initially shifted the goalposts as the guy you originally replied to said that avoiding those foods is a detriment to health, but now your demanding to see that consuming those foods is a benefit to heart health (compared to normal) - a claim which is hardly possible to prove as the norm is eating such foods.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yes meat is a good source of those (if the livestock has been supplemented with B12, which it usually is, like how dairy is injected with vitamin D before shipping it to markets). So are most plants humans regularly eat rich in those. For B12 you just need a supplement directly. High meat eaters are in fact more likely to miss several micronutrients than vegans.

                Unless I only eat locally harvested veggies then vegan products will be imported from overseas, which is more environmentally (and climate if you believe in that) unfriendly than local animal produce.
                The vegan options also lack the necessary vitamins and nutrients with only local vegetables making imported wares the only option. It's also very expensive because of this.

                >vegan products will be imported from overseas, which is more environmentally (and climate if you believe in that) unfriendly than local animal produce
                No they won't. You really think vegans only eat durians and coconuts or what?

                if it stops depression why are most vegans depressed

                It's a chronic condition. Likewise you could ask why people popping antidepressants are depressed if the pills cure it. They don't cure it, only alleviates it.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                so if meat causes so much inflammation and disease why is it that you people are more depressed? either depressed people are drawn to a vegan diet, or it causes it, pick one.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                how can you be happy when you know psycho normies kill poor baby animals and wouldnt stop

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                See

                All of those are wrong. No idea where you got those lies from.

                [...]
                Correlation is not causation. Vegan diet is causally linked to reducing depression via increased production of propionates which boosts serotonin. It is a self-medication remedy for those suffering from those ailments. I know, I'm one of the sad socks. Had a hikky phase even. You either go (high-fiber) vegan or you pop the antidepressants to alleviate depression with all their side-effects like 13% of Americans do.

                &

                Yes meat is a good source of those (if the livestock has been supplemented with B12, which it usually is, like how dairy is injected with vitamin D before shipping it to markets). So are most plants humans regularly eat rich in those. For B12 you just need a supplement directly. High meat eaters are in fact more likely to miss several micronutrients than vegans.

                [...]
                >vegan products will be imported from overseas, which is more environmentally (and climate if you believe in that) unfriendly than local animal produce
                No they won't. You really think vegans only eat durians and coconuts or what?

                [...]
                It's a chronic condition. Likewise you could ask why people popping antidepressants are depressed if the pills cure it. They don't cure it, only alleviates it.

                so yes
                >depressed people are drawn to a vegan diet
                is the correct answer. kinda same as why anxiety disordered self-medicate with weed.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                can you prove that depressed people are drawn to a vegan diet?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I doubt I can, but I can prove that SFA aka propionates produced in colon from fiber are causal to increasing serotonin in brain. Been known for a long time.
                https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0141813020353381
                >The in-depth mechanism studies indicated that the gut microbiota could improve the depression symptom through the gut-brain axis (GBA). As unique plant polysaccharides, dietary fiber can effectively modulate the intestinal flora disorders and its crucial role in orchestrating host-microbiota crosstalk has been confirmed. This review highlights the mechanisms that the gut microbiota affects the development of depression through GBA and focuses on dietary fiber intervention on the improvement of intestinal microbiota imbalance, which may provide new ideas for the prevention and treatment of depression.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                how tf are vegans more depressed? there's no way that's true i was the happiest i ever was in my life when i became vegan even still being an incel

                Both are wrong. Veganism is one of the most moronic "diets". Avoiding lean meat, fish, eggs, and yoghurt only makes you weaker and less healthy. And you can eat donuts, chips, and other seed oil laden flour shit all day while still eating "vegan". Eating more vegetables and less processed food is good, but it has nothing to do with avoiding unprocessed animal foods.

                don't care, i have trouble digesting meats and sick of it making me horny for no reason

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                [citation needed]
                Every single one of those claims requires multiple studies. You can't just spout random shit and expect any reasonable person to believe you.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >We conclude that there are dietary inadequacies in all dietary groups. In people following self-selected plant-based diets, especially vegan diets, intake, and status of certain nutrients is lower compared to meat-containing diets, with an increased risk of inadequacy for vitamin B12, vitamin D, EPA, DHA, calcium, iron (particularly in women), zinc and iodine. Of these nutrients, also meat-eaters were found to be at risk of inadequate vitamin D and calcium intake.
                >On the other hand, people following plant-based diets, particularly vegan diets, had higher intakes of PUFA, ALA, fiber, folate, vitamin E and magnesium, which were found to be at risk of inadequacy among meat-eaters.
                >Additionally, the intake of vitamin B1, B6 and C was considerably higher, especially in vegans.
                https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/14/1/29
                Vegans beat meat eaters - that is all groups of meat eaters - in nutrition intake adequacy 12 to 8 micronutrients with rest being about equal.

                >inb4 I don't accept this study on vague reasons

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Livestock doesn't need to be supplemented with b12 you disingenuous c**t. All ruminants can synthesize their own b12 in their gut. The only reason why a cow 'may' need a cobalt lick is because it grain fed living in feedlots, which is not the ideal way raise to raise cattle in the first place.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yes they do unless they live completely outside where they eat the soil with bacteria that is actually producing B12. Another form of cattle supplementing is adding cobalt to their feed, sure.

                >All ruminants can synthesize their own b12 in their gut
                Livestock mostly consists of non-ruminant chicken and pigs that definitely need supplementation unless again living completely outside licking dirt.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >chicken and pigs that definitely need supplementation
                They are omnivores, they get their b12 from animal protein just like we do. Fricking moron.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                And where does the animal protein come from again? Oh yeah mostly chicken and pigs.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Chickens eat bugs. Pigs eat bugs, small mammals, and lizards. Idiot.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                So, if someone is 15% predisposed to a certain condition, and a diet increases the risk by 50%, is the actual risk 65% or 22.5%? This is how so many people were bullied into taking statins instead of just eating normal, unprocessed food of all types.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >I need a study citation to prove some of the most nutrient dense calorie efficient foods on the planet are healthy
        Holy frick some of you on this board are something else

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          No such study exists and meat is not even nutritious, nonvegans are more deficient and at higher risk of deficinencies than vegans see

          >We conclude that there are dietary inadequacies in all dietary groups. In people following self-selected plant-based diets, especially vegan diets, intake, and status of certain nutrients is lower compared to meat-containing diets, with an increased risk of inadequacy for vitamin B12, vitamin D, EPA, DHA, calcium, iron (particularly in women), zinc and iodine. Of these nutrients, also meat-eaters were found to be at risk of inadequate vitamin D and calcium intake.
          >On the other hand, people following plant-based diets, particularly vegan diets, had higher intakes of PUFA, ALA, fiber, folate, vitamin E and magnesium, which were found to be at risk of inadequacy among meat-eaters.
          >Additionally, the intake of vitamin B1, B6 and C was considerably higher, especially in vegans.
          https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/14/1/29
          Vegans beat meat eaters - that is all groups of meat eaters - in nutrition intake adequacy 12 to 8 micronutrients with rest being about equal.

          >inb4 I don't accept this study on vague reasons

          The real reason why none of you directly answers with a study showing how eating meat improves any health metric in humans is because no such thing exist. 100% of evidence ever produced indicates that meat is bad for you.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Put down your phone and get back to the gloryhole. Your break is up

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Veganism is not inherently unhealthy, but it can make getting a balanced diet difficult. I see it as a handicap. Yes you can eat a high protein vegan diet and stay under/over a calorie threshold, but it's going to be so much harder than eating animal products.

      It's like playing dark souls. Yes you can beat the entire game with a ladle, but it's going to be unnecessarily difficult and are you really going to have a good time?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Yes you can eat a high protein vegan diet and stay under/over a calorie threshold, but it's going to be so much harder than eating animal products.
        I'm curious why you think it's harder.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          it just is dont ask why

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Because to get a complete amino acid profile you need to eat combinations of foods instead of just getting it from one source. You also need to eat more volume to get the same protein. Tofu has 1/4 less protein than chicken breast at only half the calories. So to eat an equal amount of protein with just tofu, you would need to eat 4x more, and you would have eaten twice as many calories. Again, it's possible, just harder than eating a meat based diet.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Veganism is not inherently unhealthy
        it is. hitting all targets on chronometer doesn't mean your body actually absorbs and can make use of those nutrients. there is far too much inter-individual variability to make a blanket statement like "veganism isn't unhealthy". yes, some people may do okay, and a few could even do great, but there are still a lot of people who do (a lot) worse even if they "do it right".
        also, we still know way too little about the human body, nutrition, or the complexity of food and its interaction with the body.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Give up apex predator status
      >Body deteriorates
      Who would have thought?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >meat is healthy
      >but only if its lean

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Causes numerous other diseases
    >Feel like shit all the time
    >Looks sickly
    I don't fricken know

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Causes numerous other diseases
      Such as?
      >Feel like shit all the time
      I don't, been at this for 3 years, best I've ever been
      >Looks sickly
      I don't and neither do most known long-term vegans like Moby and Joaquin Phoenix

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Post body

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Here's Jared Leto instead

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            He looks alright but i am aiming to be heavier and stronger, sorry vegantard, but this won’t do

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Jared Let is mentally ill, like I said post body fatty

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The first 30s to mars album was so based they clubbed him in the head and had to brainwash him into being a puppet.
            Thats how he went from space fascism to shitty love songs so fast and why he seems so unhinged

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >The first 30s to mars album was so based they-
              Time to move on from elementary school, homosexual.
              Maybe grow up and move out of your mom's basement? Christ. Listen to real music you tasteless homosexual.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            He'll have a personal chef, trainer and nutritionist, making meals with the highest quality ingredients

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        If I go even one day without animal products, or if I eat any non-animal products, I feel weak, so I'm just not gonna go vegan!!! Sorry!!!!!

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        is this some kind of fallacy? appeal to celebrity
        look at these has-beens!
        look at the morbin time guy with NPD!
        FOH

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I just dont want to, dont need any other reason

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    My current diet has been very successful for my health & fitness and it contains many foods that I really enjoy. No reason to change.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Dont even bother. Your shilling doesnt work here. Go back to crying on r/vegan

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Unhealthy, environmentally bad, expensive and trash.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      All of those are wrong. No idea where you got those lies from.

      https://i.imgur.com/WWRMmNZ.png

      Correlation is not causation. Vegan diet is causally linked to reducing depression via increased production of propionates which boosts serotonin. It is a self-medication remedy for those suffering from those ailments. I know, I'm one of the sad socks. Had a hikky phase even. You either go (high-fiber) vegan or you pop the antidepressants to alleviate depression with all their side-effects like 13% of Americans do.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Unless I only eat locally harvested veggies then vegan products will be imported from overseas, which is more environmentally (and climate if you believe in that) unfriendly than local animal produce.
        The vegan options also lack the necessary vitamins and nutrients with only local vegetables making imported wares the only option. It's also very expensive because of this.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        if it stops depression why are most vegans depressed

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >vegetarian
      probably because of the dairy

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Vegans always seem like they’re trying to pitch their ideology - like they’re trying to make a sale or something. I don’t trust those kinds of people.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    if I were to go vegan I'd basically replace meat, fish and eggs with ~~*grains*~~ and ~~*sugar*~~. Could you shine some light on the benefits of that trade off?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Whole grains are a great source of nutrition. Not sure why anyone would replace meat with sugar instead of legumes. Can you explain?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Grains=saccharides=sugar.
        Is your brain lacking function again, vegan? I guess it's tough being so lacking in essential nutrients that your cognition is permanently impaired. Don't worry though, I'm sure the government will recognize your disability and give you the support you need.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          You're very confused.
          Grains are starch which is chained glucose, which is the primary energy source of your body. In absence of glucose your body will catabolize existing muscle tissue to get it.
          Sucrose aka sugar is half glucose, half fructose. Fructose part causes for example NAFLD by converting into saturated fat in the liver. Same as eating excess saturated fat otherwise. Alcohol does the same.

          Who confused you?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            My body uses ketones for energy, homosexual.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              And the glucose derived from fat via gluconeogenesis.
              Inb4 some vegtard talks about the brain requiring glucose.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Humans don't get any glucose from fat. Catabolizing existing muscle and tissue such as kidneys and lungs is the only way.
                >The existence of the glyoxylate cycle in humans has not been established, and it is widely held that fatty acids cannot be converted to glucose in humans directly. Carbon-14 has been shown to end up in glucose when it is supplied in fatty acids,[18] but this can be expected from the incorporation of labelled atoms derived from acetyl-CoA into citric acid cycle intermediates which are interchangeable with those derived from other physiological sources, such as glucogenic amino acids.[15] In the absence of other glucogenic sources, the 2-carbon acetyl-CoA derived from the oxidation of fatty acids cannot produce a net yield of glucose via the citric acid cycle, since an equivalent two carbon atoms are released as carbon dioxide during the cycle. During ketosis, however, acetyl-CoA from fatty acids yields ketone bodies, including acetone, and up to ~60% of acetone may be oxidized in the liver to the pyruvate precursors acetol and methylglyoxal.[19][4] Thus ketone bodies derived from fatty acids could account for up to 11% of gluconeogenesis during starvation. Catabolism of fatty acids also produces energy in the form of ATP that is necessary for the gluconeogenesis pathway.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Catabolizing a pound of lean tissue a day to feed your brain. How much fricking meat you need to eat each day if that were the case? Frick me. How to people on high fat low protein diets survive more than week? You really are a disingenuous c**t. Glycerol backbone of fats can be converted to glucose via gluconeogenesis. It is exactly how people on zero carbs fuel their brains.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Not pound, more like 50-100g a day of lean tissue converted to glucose suffices. Of course tradeoff of that starvation reflex is impaired cognition. And no you can't just eat more meat because that catabolizing effect doesn't happen in intestines. Only existing tissue is usable for gluconeogenesis. To make matters worse the need for glucose increases under exercise, leading to peculiar effect where people on low-carb lose more muscle mass on intense exercising than if they were couch potatoes.
                https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/12/2/482
                >Consistent with the majority of the studies [29,45,46], the EX-LC group demonstrated a significantly greater reduction in lean muscle mass (LMM) compared to the EX-CO group.
                >Additionally, reduced insulin levels caused by ketosis, are known to inhibit proteolysis and may have therefore caused a reduction in LMM [49].

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >10-20 grams of protein are required to fuel 80% of our brain.
                Very efficient. But no, people on keto get most of the glucose they need from the glycerol backbones of fats.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Holy shit kys you lying scum vegan homosexual.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        those are the most calorically dense foods and both are nutrient deficient and are big contributers to civilizational illnesses

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          You didn't answer why would anyone replace meat with sugar instead of legumes. It's just stupid. Strawman much?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Legumes aren't some magic shit that suddenly makes vaganism viable. I eat them now so I wouldn't be replacing anything. How much fricking legumes do you have to eat to make that a significant portion of your caloric intake?

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    My people and our way of life includes hunting and fishing, but I have no issue with vegetarians or vegans honestly, only with authoritarian rich people and politicians who struggle against us over fishing rights and similar issues.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      From a spiritual standpoint, I understand the principle of nonviolence towards all living things, and I can respect those who choose to live this way as this is an Indian practice from India.

      It is also natural for the wolf or the eagle to hunt and eat animals, so it is not strange for humans to eat meat either if they choose. It's what evolved our large brains and gave us sapience.

      It's when Western elites impose their arrogance on the common man that it conflicts with the people, such as with fishing rights and struggling to preserve a natural and balanced way of life. The pods and ze bugs are something relatively new but that is the same idea, or wealthy Hollywood types talking down to people who are struggling to afford food.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I've tried to go vegan a couple times actually.
    The saving money bit is just plain not true.
    But more importantly, I felt like absolute shit.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >The saving money bit is just plain not true.
      What did you eat? Don't tell me you fell for the meat replacement shills and thought you have to replace every bit of meat with Beyond Meat etc. Meats, dairy and eggs are ludicruously pricier than grains and legumes.

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    i ate 2 months vegan and i stalled on my lifts. i eat beef and drink milk again and my numbers go up. when i reach my fitness goals, i eat vegan again.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >so why don't you?
    don't feel like it. I'm not diseased nor hurting for money anyway

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    i am vegan, it's super cool and i get to save the animals 🙂 2023 year of the green wave

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Oh wow a roidtroony.

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
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      Anonymous
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        Anonymous
  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Oh great, the redditors have arrived.
    Shove a turnip up your ass you moronic tofu sprout.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      nthpbp

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >why
    All the vegans that I've seen or talked to are either fat fricks or withered skellies. They look unhealthy and they're annoying as frick. I don't want to follow in their footsteps or to be associated with them.
    >saves tons in food cost
    Whatever you save in food cost now you will pay tenfold in medical bills later.
    I think I'll pay the extra 2 bucks to eat some chicken liver and eggs so I can stay healthy instead of eating lentils all day like a peasant and then losing my teeth or getting osteoporosis in my frickin 50's.
    >eliminates several diseases
    Interesting source you got there.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >All the vegans that I've seen or talked to are either fat fricks or withered skellies. They look unhealthy and they're annoying as frick. I don't want to follow in their footsteps or to be associated with them.

      like most normies

      >Whatever you save in food cost now you will pay tenfold in medical bills later.
      I think I'll pay the extra 2 bucks to eat some chicken liver and eggs so I can stay healthy instead of eating lentils all day like a peasant and then losing my teeth or getting osteoporosis in my frickin 50's.

      simply not true 4 pounds of beans is like a buck

      >Interesting source you got there.
      cholesterol clogs your arteries and heme iron gives you cancer you literally reduce mortality rate by being vegan

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >like most normies
        More than most normies.
        >simply not true 4 pounds of beans is like a buck
        You didn't even read my comment, did you? Fricking homosexual.
        >cholesterol clogs your arteries and heme iron gives you cancer you literally reduce mortality rate by being vegan
        Interesting source you got there, shill.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >cholesterol clogs your arteries
          No causal evidence to support the claim that dietary cholesterol raises blood cholesterol. Nor is there any causal evidence to suggest that a high level of cholesterol in the blood leads to long-term negative health outcomes of any statistical significance. Every single study in nutrition science can only infer on correlation. Even the epidemiological meta-analyses that make correlative statements about health have high R^2 values and low differences in absolute risk to such a degree that they should be dismissed as being drowned out by the innumerable confounding variables that correlative studies are vulnerable to.

          >s-stop telling me my addiction is bad

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I accept your concession.
            Now go eat your söy broth, peasant.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Humans have been eating meat for millions of years. Millions of years of selective pressure have made meat an essential part of the human diet for health and, up until we have been able to make B12 supplements, to survive.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Millions of years of selective pressure have made meat an essential part of the human diet for health
              More like humans evolved to tolerate abnormally high quantities of it until breeding age.compared to other primates that stayed in jungle. It's not essential, it's harmful and anti-human. As I said, no study exists saying eating it boosts any human health metric. That's a fact.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Any human that didn't eat meat would be dead within a year of stopping due to b12 deficiency. Millions of years of ice hunting have made humans specifically adapted to requiring significant amounts of animal protein in their diet.No studies exist that can infer on hard health outcomes for any diet.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It does not matter one bit what they are or is not fed in farming conditions. As animals in the wild, they would have been a source of b12 for humans .

                >Any human that didn't eat meat would be dead within a year of stopping due to b12 deficiency.
                >As animals in the wild, they would have been a source of b12 for humans .
                Humans in wild get B12 from water and soil just like other animals.

                >Millions of years of ice hunting have made humans specifically adapted to requiring significant amounts of animal protein in their diet.
                homosexual Sapiens is less than a million year old species and the last ice age's glacial maximum covering half Europe you see on pictures only lasted 10 000 years and no human lived on the continental ice shelf itself but on its outskirts. Get at least your basic evolutionary and geological history right.

                >No studies exist that can infer on hard health outcomes for any diet.
                Of course they do unless you try to weasel out of them by putting unreasonably high demands on what you accept as "hard health outcome"

                >It does not matter one bit what they are or is not fed in farming conditions
                It does matter for like 99% of meat eating humans.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Humans in wild get B12 from water and soil just like other animals.
                No, they don't, complete and utter horse shit.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yes we do. We don't magically stop absorbing B12 if it comes to our intestines from unspecified source.

                Holy shit kys you lying scum vegan homosexual.

                Where was the lie? Are you upset? You convert only existing muscle to glucose in absence of it, end of story.

                >saves tons in food cost
                Can I get 35000 calories, 2 adults averaging 2500 cal for a week, worth of food for significantly less than $120?
                I guess I could just gorge myself on rice and beans but is that really that healthy?

                Yes. Yes. But I recommend at least using something little different than just rice & beans like potatoes & peas for variety. Might push you out of budget tho.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Yes we do. We don't magically stop absorbing B12 if it comes to our intestines from unspecified source.
                Please stop taking your B12 supps and go get all your b12 from the dirt. I am sure you will be fine.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >You convert only existing muscle to glucose in absence of it, end of story.
                nope, end of story,

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >cholesterol clogs your arteries
        No causal evidence to support the claim that dietary cholesterol raises blood cholesterol. Nor is there any causal evidence to suggest that a high level of cholesterol in the blood leads to long-term negative health outcomes of any statistical significance. Every single study in nutrition science can only infer on correlation. Even the epidemiological meta-analyses that make correlative statements about health have high R^2 values and low differences in absolute risk to such a degree that they should be dismissed as being drowned out by the innumerable confounding variables that correlative studies are vulnerable to.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >No causal evidence to support the claim that dietary cholesterol raises blood cholesterol
          Here's just one of hundreds of those, it's a RTC measuring acute blood cholesterol level changes between two diets
          https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0021915002004240
          >The type of diet significantly affected LDL cholesterol and triacylglycerol content, which was higher with the SFA diet and lower with the MUFA diet. The changes between the two diets were statistically significant for cholesterol (P<0.01) and triacylglycerol (P<0.03).

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Study has nothing to do with dietary cholesterol.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              You're certainly illiterate.

              Chickens eat bugs. Pigs eat bugs, small mammals, and lizards. Idiot.

              Chickens and pigs are not fed bugs, small mammals, and lizards in their feed.

              My body uses ketones for energy, homosexual.

              To some extent. Your brain will never run on ketones alone.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It does not matter one bit what they are or is not fed in farming conditions. As animals in the wild, they would have been a source of b12 for humans .

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >You're certainly illiterate.
                It is saying saturated fat raises LDL cholesterol. Nothing about dietary cholesterol.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Chickens and pigs are not fed bugs, small mammals, and lizards in their feed.
                They don't need to be. If they're outside like they should be, they'll catch those things themselves and eat them. Chickens will even catch mice and eat them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXjQh_bqtIM

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I've said repeatedly that we are talking about how vast majority of livestock fed to humans is fed and supplemented, and that doesn't involve animals being outside in their natural state, or livestock being fed feed that has bugs, small mammals, and lizards. Bonemeal they get in their feed comes from milled nonedible carcasses of other livestock. That's their tiny source of B12. Other than that they are supplemented with it. And the pulverized carcasses in their feed were also supplemented with it.

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I don't want to and you can't make me. Deal with it, homosexual

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >saves tons in food cost
    Can I get 35000 calories, 2 adults averaging 2500 cal for a week, worth of food for significantly less than $120?
    I guess I could just gorge myself on rice and beans but is that really that healthy?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Can I get 35000 calories, 2 adults averaging 2500 cal for a week, worth of food for significantly less than $120?
      if you eat bugs

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      handful of peanuts is like 800kcal

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    several diseases
    maybe if you consider muscle hypertrophy a disease

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I refuse to be a vegetarian or a vegan because I want my diet to cause animal suffering.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      ni hao chang

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    tons in food cost
    No
    >eliminates several diseases
    Lol, lmao even

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I get my nutrition advice from Nicado Avocado

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    i dont wanna

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Alright IST, hear me out.
    I don't like animal suffering and I want to minimize it. The meat industry is corrupt as frick and regulations regarding animal welfare are not applied 95% of the time. Don't try to deny it, I know my shit. The question is: is the alternative that much better? Plant-based food requires more area to be produced, meaning more oil and pesticides. Leather shoes are exhanged for synthetic shoes; you basically exchange natural resources for plastic, which is worse; not to mention, these shoes were probably made in a shady sweatshop somewhere in Southeast Asia, so you basically replace animal suffering with human suffering.
    I already don't eat land animal meat, but I'm not sure whether I should stop eating fish and dairy as well. Should I come back to meat?
    I won't debate anyone, I just want opinions.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You are struggling to find human moralization for eating meat, when you could just adopt a religion that condones eating meat, such as the Abrahamic religions.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I said I wouldn't debate, but I need to ask
        If God is real, why would I want to disrespect His creation by causing it pain, or at least consciously contributing to it by giving it my money? I know that according to Abrahamic theology animals were created with the sole purpose of serving us, but wouldn't it be better to let go of that privilege of being served in order to honor His creation even more, St. Francis style?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >If God is real, why would I want to disrespect His creation by causing it pain
          There's so many counter-arguments to the points you raise. But I will keep it short.
          >eating meat the natural way of life
          >minimizing human suffering is more important than minimizing animal suffering. Pro-Tip: Chickens are barely conscious, hardly worse than killing a bug.
          >God knows and you do not know.
          >Meat eating abrahamic cults have conquered the world, rather than vegan cults, which says something about how it is proven to work

          >wouldn't it be better to let go of that privilege of being served in order to honor His creation even more
          >Manu 5.56. There is no sin in eating meat, in spirituous liquor, and in carnal intercourse, for that is the natural way of created beings, but abstention brings great rewards.
          So basically, if you want to make an ascetic religious practice out of veganism, go right ahead, but stop trying to moralize others from eating their natural diet.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >I know that according to Abrahamic theology animals were created with the sole purpose of serving us, but wouldn't it be better to let go of that privilege of being served in order to honor His creation even more, St. Francis style?
          >Why would I forgo ancient scripture and the fundamental rules of my religion in order to fit it based to a woke new lifestyle that has existed for all of 30 years?
          gee, you tell me

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    meat is tasty

  28. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Im vegetarian and i even make jokes with my friends that eat meat about vegetatrian and vegans.Mostly vegan tho. Im fine its just a preference, i dont even call myself vegetarian usally, i just dont want to eat meat and fish because of the taste and somewhat personall disgust, thats all albout it. I support carnivore, vegan. And if you eat meat enjoy it and dont let anyone tell you thats wrong, humans eat meat for 10000 years already.

  29. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Cause vegans are gays.
    Simpo as.

  30. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Vegetables dont grow in the winter. City freak.

  31. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because I enjoy meat and dairy and eggs. Simple as that.

  32. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Fun fact: Most vegans are women.
    More fun facts: Most vegans revert back to their original diets. There are more ex-vegans than vegans.

  33. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Tribalism. If the liberals do it, I won't.
    If liberals drink water, I'll drink beer.
    If liberals drive electric cars, I'll drive my truck.
    If liberals drive on the right side, I'll drive on the left.
    If liberals eat veggies, I'll eat meat.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      How many jabs did you get?

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