Sober Lifestyle

Anybody else struggling with living a sober lifestyle? I used to smoke weed and drink alchohol, but I quit everything a couple of years ago. Arguably I feel better than I ever have felt when I was using those substances, and obviously its better for my health.

But Ive noticed some clear social downsides. I used to be way more social and way more fun. Lately Ive noticed my friends dont even ask me when they go to the club or something. And even if I go I struggle having a good time.

Dating is another thing thats just worse now, it used to go a lot better with a few drinks. I just cannot seem to be confident and loose enough without it. This has led me to be single for quite a while now, while before I always used to have girlfriends. I also think they just generally think Im less fun because of my sober lifestyle. I know its superficial as fuck for them to think that way but thats just the way it is. Im really starting to reconsider wether its worth it.

And yes this is fitness and health related. Since living a completely sober lifestyle is the best thing you can do for gains.

  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Clubbing
    Go to an art gallery or a a cafe or something. There is nothing worse then being a 30+ year old boomer still going clubbing on a Saturday night. Don't be that guy.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I go clubbing all the time, I'm 29 and there's always people older than me there, men and women.
      Sober people are weird and usually act superior and autistic so it makes sense that they gather on this board. Wanting to change how you feel with substances or actions is just part of the human experience. Let people do what they want, they'll learn eventually.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        druggies are such insufferable gays, you're lucky there are laws or you'd be gutted irl irl.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'm so scared, excuse me while I fuck your oneitis on all this blow I gave her, she's fun

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Lmao 22 yr here.

        Always wondered what the really old ppl were thinking before they go out to the club. At least you aren't that 45 year old,with no family, that I always see

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          To pick up 20-25 year old girls, duh.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Clubs are the best place to pick up women though. I dont like Tinder and other online dating apps.
      How the fuck am I suppose to pick up women at an art gallery? Thats even worse.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        use tinder and just make your bio "let me take you to an art gallery" tinder is what you make of it, I don't know why people don't realize that.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why would you possibly want club skanks?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >art gallery
      >cafe

      Enjoy your blue haired liberals and trannies. Picking up girls at the beach is the patrician's choice. You do go to the beach right anon?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm in my mid 30s and still going clubbing semi regularly and able to pull girls in their early 20s

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Bro as an artist who lives in NYC and is in galleries all the times for openings and just seeing shows, this is terrible advice. If you're at an opening, which is gonna be like a fun chill quiet party, you're not gonna have fun unless you're drinking the free booze, and if you bring a date to a gallery to see a show that's already up, it sounds like the worst most boring date. If someone brought me gallery hopping for an early date, I would be bored out of my mind

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Similar things happened to me when I stopped indulging. Here is my advice: Accept that you are a different person now and your old friends are going to notice a difference in you. When you stop drinking etc your "energy" or "vibe" or use whatever word you want to describe it, has changed. Don't underestimate the affect drugs and alcohol has on you as a person. This was the hardest part I had to accept. My old life revolved around instant gratification and once I stopped all of them (except for the occasional IST visit) I had to restart my entire social life. And by the way, new people you meet won't like you being sober either. Too many people use them to cope with their miserable existence and feel threatened when they meet someone who does not need them. It is a tough battle but you are better for becoming sober. Don't fall prey to your primitive lizard brain. God speed anon

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >And by the way, new people you meet won't like you being sober either.
      This is a big struggle for me in dating though. Ive had dates with many girls that were my type but I think they just didnt like me as much as they would if I were to at least drink something. Not to mention the dates going alot smoother with some drinks in me.

      It pisses me off that I have to choose between 2 evils.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        You say you are choosing between two evils but I wouldn't look it at in that way. If you feel being sober is the better lifestyle choice for you (which it is), never consider it an evil. Finding a partner may become more difficult, but in my opinion and from my experience, it will work out better in the long run.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        then fucking drink a little, fucking christ man, you have the answer right there. Life doesn't have to be so black and white, sure alcohol is bad for you but if it not being in your life is causing you stress have a fucking drink every now and then, just don't over do it. You are still controlling yourself but now your not killing yourself for some "ideal" in your head.
        You fags make everything so dramatic. Only degens drink because of sad things to cope, but the majority of people drink in order to make the fun parts of their life more fun, not everyone who drinks is crippling addicted, there are many sure, but having a drink and showing control over it is a better trait than just being a whiney contrarian bitch.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          This

          Just have A beer. Don’t make it too complicated. Best bet is get a solo cup maje a mixed drink and chill with it. Second round do sparkling water with some mixer or something to make it look alcoholic.

          Bring straight edge is retarded but I can understand not wanting to deal with hangovers

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          What this guy is saying is partly true and partly false. You can sometimes drink to take the edge off and have a little fun. But what is stopping you from using the same logic with heroin or meth? I'll just do it every so often to have a good time. You will say it's an exaggeration but I don't believe it is. In my opinion the reason why most people fail at whatever discipline they are practicing is because they don't follow through for long enough. If you stop drinking you will probably become socially awkward at first. But over time you will forget how being socially lubricated with alcohol will feel and being social while sober will become your new normal. What makes it difficult is how long this takes sometimes. This is just my two cents anon. I hope it helps

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >comparing getting tipsy with beers to heroin and meth
            Are you autistic?

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              I'm comparing the logic behind it. I said in my post I don't believe it's an exaggeration but I understand how you could.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                What logic? They're completely different. You do heroin you've fried your brain permanently, you get wasted and you're back to normal a day or two or three later.
                Cutting out drinking, which is such a massive part of social culture in the west, is a huge deal. Really cutting it out of your life fully includes a lifestyle change, and probably for the worse unless you're like a family dad.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                The logic is not different. The logic is the same whether is alcohol, caffeine, heroin, cocaine, acid etc. Doing a small bump of coke or heroine a week will not fry your brain just like one drink will not hurt your liver. But if someone like OP said they feel better than ever before, which would you say is better advice? Hang in there and wait until you get accommodated to socializing normally, or just give in and drink occasionally so you can fit into a manufactured societal standard that encourages people to do something they probably don't want to do but feel pressured to because of what OP is exactly saying.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Everything socially is "manufactured". If OP would rather be a teetotaler then he's gotta deal with being excluded. Fact of the matter is that drinking is better for your life than not drinking. I'm not saying that as a functioning alcoholic, I'm saying that as someone who didn't have a beer until mid 20s.
                As for OP's issue, I would say drink when it's appropriate. I think he would regret it more if he didn't.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Drinking is better than not drinking? I'm not sure how to respond to that. I think you are dismissing the fact that you can and will become adjusted to socializing sober if you put in the effort. Improve yourself in other ways (becoming more articulate, tell good stories, make jokes etc) and your reliance on alcohol will diminish entirely. On another note this has beed a pretty good thread with reasonable takes from everyone

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not talking about being able to socialize sober. The fact of the matter is that you are taken out of the social event if you don't drink when everyone else is drinking. It's like going to the beach and everyone else gets in the water but you stay back. You are not part of the experience.
                As for OP not being able to "function" with women sober, that's another thing. That's just because he's been used to relying on alcohol, like practically everyone is when it comes to those situations. Like he even mentions himself, his dates drink.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >his dates drink.
                I mean, they all do though. Finding a woman that doesnt drink is incredibly rare. Its more common for men to not drink tbh

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's the way things are so accept it and get what you want. OP that is.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                I see what you are saying but I also don't believe you are completely taken out of the social event. If you are with strangers okay maybe. But my circle of friends and coworkers know that I do not drink and that it's not because I was an alcoholic. I just simply choose not to. Despite this I am always invited to functions and when I invite them they enjoy coming. My girlfriend drinks sometimes, but I never do. Just don't be an autist and have a superiority complex towards those who do drink.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                OP here. I stopped drinking when I had a girlfriend. It didnt really cause any problems whatsoever. She could drink and I didnt and it was fine. But then we broke up and when I went back into dating I could notice the difference a lot.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                The issue is that I hate everyone I find physically attractive. Women are already braindead. A hot woman is even worse. And my bros would rather call each other gays and whine that they saw a black dude in a marvel movie than discuss Plato or Marcus Aurelius with me.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                You're the problem my man.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                In what way? I have achieved high fitness and cultivate healthy attitudes in all areas of my life.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I hate everyone I find attractive
                >how am I the problem?
                You have absolutely zero self awareness
                How is this not a significant problem with you?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Mentality wise. Read your post again, but seriously.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I hate everyone I find attractive
                >how am I the problem?
                You have absolutely zero self awareness
                How is this not a significant problem with you?

                They like me. I fuck a different woman every weekend. My bros laugh at every joke I make. Doesn't mean I like them though. I just need to empty my nuts.

                I could of course talk to my professors for deeper engagement. But I'm not attracted to any of them.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                K

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I cultivate healthy attitudes in all areas of my life
                >I hate everyone around me
                These statements are about as contradictory as possible
                You are lying to yourself about your attitude; there is nothing healthy about this

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, except I don't hate everyone around me. I hate the people I party with who are physically fit. I like everyone else just fine.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                > I live in the American Gardens Building on West 81st Street on the 11th floor. My name is Patrick Bateman. I’m 27 years old. I believe in taking care of myself, and a balanced diet and a rigorous exercise routine. In the morning, if my face is a little puffy, I’ll put on an ice pack while doing my stomach crunches. I can do a thousand now. After I remove the ice pack I use a deep pore cleanser lotion. In the shower I use a water activated gel cleanser, then a honey almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then I apply an herb-mint facial masque which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an after shave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion. There is an idea of a Patrick Bateman. Some kind of abstraction. But there is no real me. Only an entity. Something illusory. And though I can hide my cold gaze, and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours, and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable, I simply am not there.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Change your circle of friends if you really don't have fun with them.

                Be more precise when you meet girls (or are searching for one) like saying I don't drink directly. Sure you'll get a lot of 'no thanks' but those that'll answer will indeed be much more in your alley.

                That's great you stopped in any case !

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                You sound like a pretentious prick, demanding that your friends like the things you like. They could say the exact same thing about you "anon only wants to talk about wierd Romans all the time, he is never fun"

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Lmao trying to act like you're an intellectual by name dropping Aurelius. Of all philosophers, you picked the most normie one possible. Pseud.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yo I'd talk to you about Marcus but how the hell would that conversation start? The average retard can't even name one philosopher- I have no idea where I'd find people who are interested in these topics. You know any places?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                id assume like, a lecture hall? do you have anywhere that does lectures or presentations around you? idk how hot of a spot that would be though.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Nah, none around here. It's suburbs unfortunately... even Meetup.com is basically dead. I don't have a Facebook account but I doubt there are much meetups on there either that aren't some sponsored garbage.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Good post

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Life doesn't have to be so black and white

          Really the moral of the story here.

          I've never particularly liked alcohol (taste and after effects) even going back to when I was 17 so I choose not to drink it unless a situation calls for it (which happens less and less as I age). Think dates, perhaps a party, maybe even a work event. Really situations where I can enhance my experience (and/or keep up with social norms) while staying in control. I rarely have a beer at home while watching TV or hanging with my fiance. Just not interested.

          You can absolutely abstain from drinking - I wouldn't think any of less of you, but at the end of the day there are social consequences that go along with that.

          The question you need to ask yourself is - would it kill you to have a drink when you are on a date? If so, cool own that and don't feel bad about it. Just means your dating pool is going to be smaller.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Is it really that hard to just have a beer or two and not go overboard?

        People are suHispanicious of non drinkers because the majority are addicts and addicts tend to be not very trustworthy people since addiction is a sign of poor impulse control and an inability to defer gratification. These are not unreasonable conclusions either for people you don't know well.

        Do yourself a favor, lighten up a bit, and have a beer. The only one making a big deal about it is you

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          I hate to do it, but I'm gonna agree with the tourist here.
          Can't trust a man that can't trust himself around vice.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >tourist
            M8 I've been on IST since 2006
            You really never leave

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          I hate to do it, but I'm gonna agree with the tourist here.
          Can't trust a man that can't trust himself around vice.

          What if you just dont drink because you dont like it? I hate the feeling alchohol gives me. Its fucking annoying to always have to deal with everybodies prejudice towards it.
          Its absolutely retarded that social norms favor drinking a poison and that you're an outcast if you dont. Clownworld.

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I've never drank alcohol and I did really well in school but it seriously affected my social skills
    I can't socialize with my friends (I was on a D1 sports team) on the weekends so I basically spent them locked in my room
    I've also never spoken to a girl outside of class, probably due to my antisocial behavior caused by not drinking
    It's a double edged sword

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I never drank much (pretty much only wine, never liked the taste of beer or liquor) but 2 years ago I've given up on it completely. Back then my reason was because I was cutting and wanted to avoid useless liquid calories but it has developed into much more.
    Now I get an insane, smug sense of superiority when I'm out with people who drink (or even just seeing people who drink) and have a diet coke. It's more powerful than any craving for alcohol I could ever have. Every time I see an evening degenerate because people drink too much. 1-2 drinks in, it's fun, sure. But afterwards, it ALWAYS DEGENERATES.
    People think "oh I'll stop after 2 drinks". But guess what motherfucker? Alcohol lowers your inhibition, so all your good intentions go right into the shitter.
    Then I witness people going from oversharing, to having dumbass conversations, to slurring, to sleeping like shit, to feeling like shit the next day, meanwhile I sip my caffeine free coke zero, sleep like a baby and wake up fully refreshed the next day.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      People can't stop themselves after 2 drinks? How miserable are they?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is a nice part about not drinking. You can see all the degenerates destroying and embarassing themselves. But as OP said, some social and dating aspects get a bit more tricky.

      Alchohol basically carries you through dates, without it, you have to be more confident, better with your words and more interesting. Its doable though. Keep self improving dont rely on a substance, its weak

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Your second paragraph just made possibly the best argument for not drinking while sober. It FORCES you to improve yourself if you want to be social. And the social skills you develop will affect your life in many ways.

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Kind of unrelated but does anybody have experience with CBD oil? I feel like that could be a good relaxer/social lubricant without any downsides or feeling weird or whatever. Im considering it. Or is it more degen than alchohol

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's nothing, just makes you more relaxed, from what I can tell it's pretty non addictive and safe. Great for if you want to get the relaxation of a high without all the other paranoia or psychedelic properties of one. Try it out, you'll probably like it.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Personally, I think its snake oil. I think they sell it in too low of concentrations to have any more than a placebo effect

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Generally agree with both of these

      It's nothing, just makes you more relaxed, from what I can tell it's pretty non addictive and safe. Great for if you want to get the relaxation of a high without all the other paranoia or psychedelic properties of one. Try it out, you'll probably like it.

      Personally, I think its snake oil. I think they sell it in too low of concentrations to have any more than a placebo effect

      Just try it if curious, I don't think it does much, but it does work for nausea (for me) also will give you a very restful sleep if taken before bed. Never had any psycoactive effects though

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you want to finish your Dark Souls playthrough on level 1, be my guest. But dont complain that its hard. Thats all I have to say

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Used to drink alot and a few months ago I've cut hard on the amounts, yesterday decided to have a beer with some fries it wasn't fun I actually felt bad after it ,today I'm going to take a walk and work out instead of getting some poison into me....

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just drink in moderation, it really isn't that hard. What is the point in being fit and looking good if you're going to sit in the house all day by yourself. Having a few drinks every now and then is fine. The message it sends when you refuse to drink is "I'm so autistic I think having a few drinks will have a noticeable effect on my physique. I'd rather not have fun with you and loosen up and be myself if it means my bench will be 2 pounds better on Monday."

    The only time being 100% sober makes sense is if you're a former addict and vicious alcoholic and a few drinks might send you spiraling again. Besides as you get older your drinking will taper off as hangovers become life alteringly miserable

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not OP but Ive had some bad experiences with alchohol. Basically after 1 night out of getting really drunk I woke up and felt like I had to puke, so I got up as fast as I could and ran down the stairs to the bathroom. I passed out on the middle of the stairs and my roommates found me at the bottom of them. I was lucky enough to not break my neck and die.

      After that every time I tried drinking I had panic attacks. My body remembered the experience and just said no fuck this shit lmao. Having a few drinks every now and then would be nice but I havent bothered ever since.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I've had some really bad experiences with alcohol
        >one night after getting really drunk
        This is the problem my dude
        You have to know when to stop. That's the difference between someone who can control their drinking and an addict.

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I once struggled with the sober lifestyle...it was the worst half hour of my life!

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >friends dont even ask me when they go to the club or something. And even if I go I struggle having a good time.
    Little bit of cause and effect here eh? If my friend didn't have a good time clubbing I wouldn't invite them clubbing either. I don't try and golf with my friends who don't golf.
    >superficial as fuck for them to think that way but thats just the way it is
    Correct. That is the way it is
    I found my balance to be only drinking with someone else, and having no more than a half bottle of wine a night when I do drink (split one with GF on date-night typically). I'm not going to tell you to start drinking but there is a tradeoff with the social gainz. You can also have a light beer on a date and the girl won't think you're weird or whatever. Idk- point being that it's not an all or nothing thing. but you do you homie don't let these hos drag you down

  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Drink beer, it's good for you

  12. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Lmao at all the ppl in this thread that are so concerned about how they are perceived they say "oh just have a couple so you dont stand out"

    What a lot of cowards.

  13. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    When a guy tells me he is "sober" I just don't even text back.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      They're basically telling you "I have a history of poor decisions and struggle with impulse control," wow what a catch

  14. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I drank for the social aspect and finding a gf mostly. Found one when I was 21 and she 18. Stopped drinking at 23, I'm currently 35. Same gf now wife. No one at work cares that i don't drink. I just say that i can take a cola with lemon. Noone cares.

  15. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I drink for the health benefits (I'm drinking right now) AMA

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      What health benefits

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Increased testosterone, increases good cholesterol, lowers bad cholesterol, reduces heart disease risk, lowers blood sugar, reduced risk of type 2 diabetes, less blood clots, less pain, etc.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Lmao nearly everything on your list is pretty much the opposite. If you feel no pain when you're unconscious, does that mean "less pain" is a health benefit of getting knocked out?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's less pain because alcohol is a painkiller. Has nothing to do with making you unconscious. It works very similar to aspirin (which I bet you are perfectly fine with taking after a caffeine withdrawal).

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          thats right goyim, keep drinking that magic health potion

  16. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sadly enough i always got laid during active addiction/relapses phases, so i understand. I recently cheated on my gf during one of these relapses, gf that i ironically got with when i was also in active addiction. So you know, in the end you still lose the game

    Ill never understand those who force themselves to be always sober when theyre not alcoholics though

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Ill never understand those who force themselves to be always sober when theyre not alcoholics though

      I take pride in taking on life without the crutches of substances like the rest of society relies on

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Not every drink is a cope you know. It starts at the 3rd or the 4th maybe

  17. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Dude, I feel this hard. Quit beginning of the year. Felt amazing but no doubt the social drawbacks are there. I finally gave up and downgraded to “social drinking” because if a woman wants to grab a drink im not gonna cuck myself over some stupid rule i made up. I hate it though. Makes me feel like shit, its expensive, lose feeling in my dick. Wish people had more creativity to enjoy activities without alcohol but people are lazy.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >lose feeling in my dick
      Implying this is not a good thing. Means you can dick them down for longer than usual and leave a great first impression.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah not when you cant get it up tho. Seriously its like antiviagra for me.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Bro I still go out to bars with girls for dates and just not drink. It’s not a big deal you’re a cuck

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        so you just like, stand in a bar sober? what do you order, water?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Nah I buy her a drink and get myself a soda or something non alc and then we chat. It’s true what other anons said, if you can make gains socially sober it’s life on easy mode. Im not even a raging alcoholic I just wasn’t getting anywhere in life with alcohol usage so I quit. Made spiritual gains etc.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            i asked because im genuinely curious. are you american? i think i would just feel awkward trying to pick up women, in a bar specifically, with them drinking and me not drinking. seems like a fuckin trap waiting to happen.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nah I buy her a drink and get myself a soda or something non alc and then we chat. It’s true what other anons said, if you can make gains socially sober it’s life on easy mode. Im not even a raging alcoholic I just wasn’t getting anywhere in life with alcohol usage so I quit. Made spiritual gains etc.

        I mean I still DO it. I just notice that the date's success rate was higher when I did drink lmao. You can always instantly tell that you go down by 1 or 2 points if you show her you dont drink. You need to work extra hard to make up for that. If you can, good for you

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Interesting, haven’t had this happen yet but we’ll see

  18. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just have a fucking drink, you don't want to become a schizo loner over some stupid shit like gains.

  19. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Anybody else struggling with living a sober lifestyle?
    Yes but that's because I'm an alcoholic and drug addict with a fried brain lmao. One drink and everything goes to shit.

  20. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you need coffee to be productive, you're weak
    If you need weed to relax, you're weak
    If you need alchohol to be social, you're weak

    I live by this. And no Im not fun at parties. Suck a dick

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >If you need to post about your own choices on an anonymous online forum to in order to cope with the fact that nobody likes you
      >you're weak

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Thats not a substance so it doesnt count. Cope

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Thats not a substance so it doesnt count

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      autismo maximo

  21. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >simply allow yourself a few drinks every once in a while for occasions like clubbing or dating rather than EITHER going hard ALL the time or being stone cold sober ALL the time
    >problem solved

  22. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's because you have nothing else in your life OP. Do the corny things you think are stupid and you'll realize they're super more fulfilling and easy(ish) ways to socialize
    1) BJJ / rowing team / running club
    Just something physical that forces you to work / fight with other guys.
    2) Catholicism. The good churches have rituals and a community and get you hanging with both old & young people together. Tough to find a spot that's not impotent though.
    3) language classes. Gets you learning something worthwhile and chatting with other people. If you're lucky qt chicks will be there through work or sth too

    Meeting women is tricky. Would recommend tinder then a coffee & walk / art museum like one anon here said. The hobbies are nice because you can bring her to events rather than a bar (rugby match, outdoor festival / market, bluegrass / chamber music) are all wholesome sober hangouts.

    Also, you can have 1 or two drinks a month without compromising your gains. I disagree with many folks here though. More than that (even once a week) starts impeding sleep / full exertion / T levels.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      bro, where are all these clubs people talk about? people always talk about go do this sports club, go do that sports club. ive never seen an adult sports club for my particular sports that wasnt all geezers or like hardcore aspiring amateurs/pros (in the case of cycling)

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Its hard to find one with young people unless you are in university. Outside of that the best you're going to get is some milfs

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        What is meetup? What is BJJ? What is flag football? What is volleyball? What is CrossFit?
        >my particular sport
        cricket?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Success rate on any one of these is mediocre. Choose 4. Do them all for 3 months. Stick with the one or two you like.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          i mean i basically cycle and climb. its about the only 'group' thing i do. i hike and shit but thats guaranteed geezer territory. id fuck with frisbee golf but thats a degen activity for stoners and functional alcoholics anyway.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I tried rowing, CrossFit, and BJJ. After BJJ I have some 3 or four friends I can lift / train with and all of them avoid alcohol too.

  23. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    reality is for people who cant face drugs

  24. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Man I'm in the exact same situation. I really enjoyed sobriety and a good schedule, but my social life dropped hard.
    I relapsed for a stoner girl. Yeah call me a simp but 1 year without wetting the biscuit was too much and I said fuck it, let's dive into the pussy. Had a veru fun couple months smoking pot and rolling md with her.
    I have a hard time managing to find a balance, I'm kinda all or nothing type of guy and if I'm not completely sober then I'm high as fuck.
    Long story short I killed my last year gains for some pussy bc I wasn't getting any sober.
    yeah i'm a moron.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Cant blame you anon, smoking weed before sex feels fucking amazing. I have always wanted to date a stoner girl but never managed to find one. Maybe I should be glad, I would fall right back into my pattern of smoking daily. Havent done that for years

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Gotta find that girl that like to smoke and sex a couple time a year.
        My mistake was pursuing a full blown stoner/hippie who made drugs and party her main hobby in life. No job, no fitness. Of course I didn't last long with my healthy schedule. I can abstain for a while but I'm no superman. Still my fault for relapsing but man those degenerates hoes are into submissive n freaky stuff in bed its just too much for my monkey brain

  25. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    it sounds like you and your social group are all in your 20s. things will change and many of the priorities your friends have will change over time, so don't lose hope. the last thing you want to do is compromise the promises you made to yourself in order to please others, because you can't keep those people from walking away from you anyway, leaving you with nothing left. i'm speaking from experience.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Where do you draw the line though. When is being too strict on yourself actually ruining your lifes quality more than the health benefits. Thats the dilemma

  26. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I was an alchy for about 2 years, smoking black and milds during that time. Before that I smoked the devils lettuce all day every day for about 4 years. Doing better now, kinda. I'm popping an edible just about every night but it's after work/working out/whatever else I need to do. Brutal porn addiction too. Idk why I'm like this, I feel bad about it.

  27. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Alcohol causes cancer. This is a fact. Imagine ruining your body because you can't cope reality without alcohol.

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