>speedruns the pec building process

>speedruns the pec building process

  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    cable is better

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      wrong

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >perpuncicular
        >pully

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Cross your arms over opposite sides of your chest like an X when doing this

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Lern two spel

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Fully reduce the ratio? As in, making it harder? You want it hardest in the stretched position and easiest in the contracted position because that's the strength curve of every muscle

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Fully reduce the ratio? As in, making it harder? You want it hardest in the stretched position and easiest in the contracted position because that's the strength curve of every muscle

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          this is from an actual bio textbook and not bodybuilder roidrotted brain bullshit

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      The mobility in cable is better but the back support on pec dec is more optimal than standing and doing a cable fly. The best of both worlds is a seated cable fly.

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I maxed this machine out for reps and although I do have a clear chest outline with the right fitting shirt

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Finish your fucking sentence, anon. I wanna know the catch

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        No

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is literally useless for powerlifting
    Just bench more

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      How would this help your bench? I usually do 3 sets following bench on push day

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      > OP talks about hypertrophy.
      > gay obeselard powershitter 9001 comes in and talks about not building bench.

      That's not the purpose or the point of the exercise for OP, you screaming gay.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >useless for powerlifting
      >useless
      >powerlifting
      >useless for uselessness

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      and powerlifting is literally useless so it doesn't matter.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Wrong. Hypertrophy is a stage every strength fag has to go if they want to keep making gains which isn't just bloatmax more.

      https://i.imgur.com/FdrjQJJ.png

      Anyone do these regularly? I've heard of this movement been referred to as an "upper body squat".
      I tried them for the first time the other day and was having trouble dialing in the muscle-mind connection. Like are pullovers mainly lats or even both?

      Also should i keep the elbows bent 90 degrees or try to keep them somewhat straighter?

      Let the weight stretch your lats down

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      no one cares about fatty lifting.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      stfu you fat bastard

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Kek who cares about powershitting?
      "But muh strenght" no one cares

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Flies will make you stronger though. It's not like bodybuilders aren't pushing several hundred lbs too. It's just that they're carrying more mass than is necessary to win a weight classed lifting competition.

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Oh i love this little shit like you wouldnt believe. The only machine i really feel tearing my muscles away

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I might if morons didn't come in and set up camp on each one of these for the entire time they're there

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >waste of time if you have long arms

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >He doesn't have elbows

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      what is the ideal substitute for it then? longarm here

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why does every gym have only 1 of these? They're one of the most popular machines and they always have 1

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    There are only two thoughts when doing any version of this. If I’m angry it is the hulk clap, if I’m happy
    >I’m gonna hug the shit out of you!

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone do these regularly? I've heard of this movement been referred to as an "upper body squat".
    I tried them for the first time the other day and was having trouble dialing in the muscle-mind connection. Like are pullovers mainly lats or even both?

    Also should i keep the elbows bent 90 degrees or try to keep them somewhat straighter?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Also should i keep the elbows bent 90 degrees or try to keep them somewhat straighter?
      isn't it obvious that if you straighten the arms the weight will be effectively twice as heavy

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes. They’re much better on a decline. I wouldn’t have completely straight elbows, more like soft elbows, but the important thing is don’t let the angle change or you’ll be using your triceps instead of your lats

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      if you keep your elbows tucked in, it will target the chest more. Spread your elbows a bit and you will feel it more in the lats.

      Which style you pick depends on your goals.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes. They’re much better on a decline. I wouldn’t have completely straight elbows, more like soft elbows, but the important thing is don’t let the angle change or you’ll be using your triceps instead of your lats

      This. Although really, doing these on a cable machine is better. You can really feel the squeeze on your lats while doing it.
      Some youtuber calls it a "diagonal" pull. I like it. It has more ROM.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I do them on the nautilus super pullover machine. Easily the most pronounced effect on my physique overall from a single exercise

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Oh really now, let's see it.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous
    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's a skullcrusher I think

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Used to do them consistently for over a year and never noticed anything special. Sounds like you're buying hard into the dyels that shill Mentzer shit too. Also it's the dip that's called the upper body squat.

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I feel like I get better results from dumbbell flys even though this provides resistance throughout the entire range of motion

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      willing to bet you use pussy weight on the machine
      you're supposed to use way way more weight on it than 2x your dumbbell because it has no sticking point.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        No I do almost the whole stack and I’m on gear. I do both I just feel like dumbbells work better it could just be in my head though

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          well the machine doesn't give you full resistance in the 'bottom' position while the dumbbells give you max resistance here so you feel more stretch
          that or maybe you do more reps/less rest and get more burn that way.
          Try putting the dumbbells on the stack instead lol

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Gravity doesn't suddenly turn off when you're using dumbbells.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        It’s called gravity retard. The tension shifts off your chest at the top part of the motion

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          No it doesn't. Your muscles don't stop contracting at the end of a movement, moron.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous
            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Even during eccentric contraction the myosin filaments don't just drop everthing and stop working. Just because you don't understand what's actually happening in the muscles during movement is no need to pretend you are retarded.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Machines do all the stabilization for you, they’re objectively worse for muscles that move in more than a straight line

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Hey basically I'm just not gonna quit using machines. I know...UGH I know...I'm sorry!! It's just that I'm not gonna quit using them is all.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Machines do all the stabilization for you, they’re objectively worse for muscles that move in more than a straight line

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Stay DYEL

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              post body fag

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Machines isolate groups and are beneficial to growth just like free weights. You need to start mixing them if you’re intermediate lifter. Don’t be foolish

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        No it doesn't. Your muscles don't stop contracting at the end of a movement, moron.

        Even during eccentric contraction the myosin filaments don't just drop everthing and stop working. Just because you don't understand what's actually happening in the muscles during movement is no need to pretend you are retarded.

        Gravity doesn't change directions at the top of the motion, moron. You're not squeezing inward anymore at the top of a dumbbell fly.

  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Skip the machines, do dumbbell flies. Incline too

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I feel like I get better results from dumbbell flys even though this provides resistance throughout the entire range of motion

      >waste of time if you have long arms

      This is literally useless for powerlifting
      Just bench more

      cable is better

  12. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    This, chest press machine and doing dips are the only 3 exercises where I can actually feel the chest muscles working.

  13. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    is flunking high school physics the reason so many people are dyel

  14. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Off topic but I don't have a bench, is it worth it doing floor presses to build chest? I feel like sometimes I can really hit chest and other times I'm just working triceps.
    Is floor press a meme exercise cuz of reduced range of motion?
    I have nothing better to do so I'm gonna keep doing them but would be cool if someone who has experience with this exercise could give some feedback.
    t. Eat my cum.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I saw a guy at my gym who was repping 225 for 10 doing floor presses immediately after using a 75lb dumbbell. He's probably doing something right.

  15. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone else use this machine for isometric holds? Holding for a minute plus is the only time I ever feel anything in my pecs.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Hold it for just a second, then do a slow eccentric, repeat until you can't hold it for a second, finish the eccentric, then immediately do a pressing lift the same way. You'll feel it AND grow.

  16. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It is a really good machine and I recommend it highly but you will max it out eventually and when you get to heavier weights it will start to demolish your elbow and elbow tendons.

    These days I try to avoid any exercise that involves holding a weight away from my body.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Im one month into lifting and can only do 25kg
      I can't even imagine maxing it out

      Then again I only bench 50kg for reps

  17. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >To conclude, similar gains in muscularity, strength, and functional ability can be expected for male novices in RT regardless of the equipment being used and without a fallback when changing from machines to free weights. Accordingly, any choice of RT equipment can be made, considering individual preferences.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7662789/

    >Training sessions with free weights induced greater increases in free testosterone in men; however, training with free weights or machines resulted in similar increases in muscle mass and strength.
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32358310/

  18. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >m*chines
    no thanks, the only machines i would touch are cardio ones

  19. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    wide grip spoto press is GOATed for stretching pecs tbh

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