>speedruns the pec building process
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cable is better
wrong
>perpuncicular
>pully
Cross your arms over opposite sides of your chest like an X when doing this
Lern two spel
Fully reduce the ratio? As in, making it harder? You want it hardest in the stretched position and easiest in the contracted position because that's the strength curve of every muscle
>Fully reduce the ratio? As in, making it harder? You want it hardest in the stretched position and easiest in the contracted position because that's the strength curve of every muscle
this is from an actual bio textbook and not bodybuilder roidrotted brain bullshit
The mobility in cable is better but the back support on pec dec is more optimal than standing and doing a cable fly. The best of both worlds is a seated cable fly.
I maxed this machine out for reps and although I do have a clear chest outline with the right fitting shirt
Finish your fricking sentence, anon. I wanna know the catch
No
This is literally useless for powerlifting
Just bench more
How would this help your bench? I usually do 3 sets following bench on push day
> OP talks about hypertrophy.
> homosexual obeselard powershitter 9001 comes in and talks about not building bench.
That's not the purpose or the point of the exercise for OP, you screaming homosexual.
>useless for powerlifting
>useless
>powerlifting
>useless for uselessness
and powerlifting is literally useless so it doesn't matter.
Wrong. Hypertrophy is a stage every strength gay has to go if they want to keep making gains which isn't just bloatmax more.
Let the weight stretch your lats down
no one cares about fatty lifting.
stfu you fat bastard
Kek who cares about powershitting?
"But muh strenght" no one cares
Flies will make you stronger though. It's not like bodybuilders aren't pushing several hundred lbs too. It's just that they're carrying more mass than is necessary to win a weight classed lifting competition.
Oh i love this little shit like you wouldnt believe. The only machine i really feel tearing my muscles away
I might if Black folk didn't come in and set up camp on each one of these for the entire time they're there
>waste of time if you have long arms
>He doesn't have elbows
what is the ideal substitute for it then? longarm here
Why does every gym have only 1 of these? They're one of the most popular machines and they always have 1
There are only two thoughts when doing any version of this. If I’m angry it is the hulk clap, if I’m happy
>I’m gonna hug the shit out of you!
Anyone do these regularly? I've heard of this movement been referred to as an "upper body squat".
I tried them for the first time the other day and was having trouble dialing in the muscle-mind connection. Like are pullovers mainly lats or even both?
Also should i keep the elbows bent 90 degrees or try to keep them somewhat straighter?
>Also should i keep the elbows bent 90 degrees or try to keep them somewhat straighter?
isn't it obvious that if you straighten the arms the weight will be effectively twice as heavy
Yes. They’re much better on a decline. I wouldn’t have completely straight elbows, more like soft elbows, but the important thing is don’t let the angle change or you’ll be using your triceps instead of your lats
if you keep your elbows tucked in, it will target the chest more. Spread your elbows a bit and you will feel it more in the lats.
Which style you pick depends on your goals.
This. Although really, doing these on a cable machine is better. You can really feel the squeeze on your lats while doing it.
Some youtuber calls it a "diagonal" pull. I like it. It has more ROM.
I do them on the nautilus super pullover machine. Easily the most pronounced effect on my physique overall from a single exercise
Oh really now, let's see it.
That's a skullcrusher I think
Used to do them consistently for over a year and never noticed anything special. Sounds like you're buying hard into the dyels that shill Mentzer shit too. Also it's the dip that's called the upper body squat.
I feel like I get better results from dumbbell flys even though this provides resistance throughout the entire range of motion
willing to bet you use pussy weight on the machine
you're supposed to use way way more weight on it than 2x your dumbbell because it has no sticking point.
No I do almost the whole stack and I’m on gear. I do both I just feel like dumbbells work better it could just be in my head though
well the machine doesn't give you full resistance in the 'bottom' position while the dumbbells give you max resistance here so you feel more stretch
that or maybe you do more reps/less rest and get more burn that way.
Try putting the dumbbells on the stack instead lol
Gravity doesn't suddenly turn off when you're using dumbbells.
It’s called gravity moron. The tension shifts off your chest at the top part of the motion
No it doesn't. Your muscles don't stop contracting at the end of a movement, moron.
Even during eccentric contraction the myosin filaments don't just drop everthing and stop working. Just because you don't understand what's actually happening in the muscles during movement is no need to pretend you are moronic.
Machines do all the stabilization for you, they’re objectively worse for muscles that move in more than a straight line
Hey basically I'm just not gonna quit using machines. I know...UGH I know...I'm sorry!! It's just that I'm not gonna quit using them is all.
>Machines do all the stabilization for you, they’re objectively worse for muscles that move in more than a straight line
Stay DYEL
post body gay
Machines isolate groups and are beneficial to growth just like free weights. You need to start mixing them if you’re intermediate lifter. Don’t be foolish
Gravity doesn't change directions at the top of the motion, moron. You're not squeezing inward anymore at the top of a dumbbell fly.
Skip the machines, do dumbbell flies. Incline too
This, chest press machine and doing dips are the only 3 exercises where I can actually feel the chest muscles working.
is flunking high school physics the reason so many people are dyel
Off topic but I don't have a bench, is it worth it doing floor presses to build chest? I feel like sometimes I can really hit chest and other times I'm just working triceps.
Is floor press a meme exercise cuz of reduced range of motion?
I have nothing better to do so I'm gonna keep doing them but would be cool if someone who has experience with this exercise could give some feedback.
t. Eat my cum.
I saw a guy at my gym who was repping 225 for 10 doing floor presses immediately after using a 75lb dumbbell. He's probably doing something right.
Anyone else use this machine for isometric holds? Holding for a minute plus is the only time I ever feel anything in my pecs.
Hold it for just a second, then do a slow eccentric, repeat until you can't hold it for a second, finish the eccentric, then immediately do a pressing lift the same way. You'll feel it AND grow.
It is a really good machine and I recommend it highly but you will max it out eventually and when you get to heavier weights it will start to demolish your elbow and elbow tendons.
These days I try to avoid any exercise that involves holding a weight away from my body.
Im one month into lifting and can only do 25kg
I can't even imagine maxing it out
Then again I only bench 50kg for reps
>To conclude, similar gains in muscularity, strength, and functional ability can be expected for male novices in RT regardless of the equipment being used and without a fallback when changing from machines to free weights. Accordingly, any choice of RT equipment can be made, considering individual preferences.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7662789/
>Training sessions with free weights induced greater increases in free testosterone in men; however, training with free weights or machines resulted in similar increases in muscle mass and strength.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32358310/
>m*chines
no thanks, the only machines i would touch are cardio ones
wide grip spoto press is GOATed for stretching pecs tbh