SPEED/STRENGTH MAXXING

Can spinning something such as a heavy wet hand towel like a helicopter blade help in improving my hand speed?
If not what methods do you recommend?
I want to MAXIMIZE my speed and strength capabilities to near mythical proportions.

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Can spinning something such as a heavy wet hand towel like a helicopter blade help in improving my hand speed?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I am always impressed by the commitment of that guy to this type of training.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        imagine exclusively training in this manner year round, outside
        what a meme

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        imagine exclusively training in this manner year round, outside
        what a meme

        You know he lifts normally and is just trolling IST, right?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >You know he lifts normally
          No he doesn't, he exclusively trains using that rod.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >You know he lifts normally
          No he doesn't, he exclusively trains using that rod.

          Well which is it, I'm genuinely curious. Pretty good if it's really just from the larp, a lot of it is leaness, but he does have some alright size

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >but he does have some alright size
            what do you think his height and weight is?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Even though he is more lanky proportionally I feel like he's a manlet. It's impossible to tell since there's never anything to really gage him next to though

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                that rod is 6' 6.7"

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This shit is so tarded and autistic lol
      Some homie with a small pocketknife would empty his organs all over the round before he even picks that shit up
      There’s a reason every military superpower of the days of yore would opt for small, lightweight blades

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But that's not true, there has been several points in history where frickoff big weapons have been used in war, like the 2h zweihander used by german knights, and the massive pikes used by Alexander and Philips 2nds phalanx.
        >There’s a reason every military superpower of the days of yore would opt for small, lightweight blades
        Name one? The only one I can think of is the hispanic mercenaries used by Hannibal, and maybe the post Marius reform era roman legionaries, but they had massive shields that weighed 22 lbs, and had 3 throwing spears in addition to their swords.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Zweihanders were like 4-6 lbs max and could be swung and maneuvered very quickly, especially in comparison to that stupid fricking rod. They could also be used for stabbing and could be half-sworded for close quarters engagements. Halberds were equally as light and maneuverable. These weapons were shock trooper weapons too, not the run of the mill weapon, which, for all of history, has been the spear. Spears are light and require basically no training. They can have either a long or a short range. They can work in close quarters or on an open field. They were the most popular weapon ever.

          Those Romans didn't fight in 1 on 1 hand to hand combat with those spears (javelins). They threw them before they charged or as the enemy was charging them. They werent encumbering them mid fight. The massive fricking pikes Alexander used also were not used in close hand to hand one on one combat. Their entire goal was to create a giant wall that the enemy couldn't even get through. Their goal was to prevent close up fights entirely. The Roman shield was designed for group tactics. Using a massive square shield like that in anything except a group formation would be a massive detriment. Having a shield like that while having your side and back exposed while fighting one person would likely be a death sentence, especially if you didn't have a light weapon to compliment it, ya know, like the gladius they had. Your contention that militaries haven't utilized light and efficient weapons for all of human history is completely wrong.

          A single person acting alone would get absolutely bodied by anyone with a light and fast weapon if they had some dumb fricking rod that they couldn't swing without massive windup like a moronic video game or anime character. Are you really trying to say that this dumb ass rod is good for literally anything at all?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >A single person acting alone would get absolutely bodied by anyone with a light and fast weapon if they had some dumb fricking rod that they couldn't swing without massive windup like a moronic video game or anime character.
            ah yes, this is the part where you imagine that the person you are fighting has no armor because it makes this imaginary scenario where you win due to superior speed easier in your mind
            You have a heavy case of seeing a single movement done in isolation and imagining thousands reactive ways you'd take it down, while at the same time pretending that the opposition would never deviate.
            And it's incredibly stupid and flawed for the same reason martial arts where you stop and block a knife attacker is.
            >heh he has a knife, the fool doesn't he realize I can just block it and slit his throat with his own knife?

            And what causes this mindset? Lack of real world experience and only grappling with these ideas in your head.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Even against a heavily armored knight type enemy, there are far better weapons than some dumb rod. A warhammer, mace, flail, or club are all lighter and faster than the rod. They would be much easier to use and could likely deliver more damage even if the autist had a perfect setup and execution on his best swing with his rod. It's useless. It's a garbage weapon. If the autist had his rod and were fighting either an unarmored or heavily armored enemy, he would still be fricked whether or not he had or did not have armor assuming the enemy was using a conventional weapon.

              I am aware of all these things, nothing I said contradicts this. What the previous anon said was that
              >There’s a reason every military superpower of the days of yore would opt for small, lightweight blades
              and that's not true

              I never said people used heavy rods in war, but I'd argue that the Kanabō they used in Japan could be considered a rod, and it was definitively viable in 1v1

              Like, I never said the rod in the video was any good for fighting with, but still there are examples of rod like heavy weapons
              >Your contention that militaries haven't utilized light and efficient weapons for all of human history is completely wrong.
              That's not what I said, I never said they would not make the weapons as light as possible, I said that they were not small, they did not go into war with daggers as main weapons (except for wrestling in the knight era).
              Even then I gave an example of another soldier which used small weapons, the hispanic mercenaries with their falcatas.
              You sound a bit bumblasted mate, chill

              >Kanabō
              >ah yes, let me counter your argument by bringing out a specialist outlier weapon
              not the main weapon of the samurai. It was the katana, which was a light and efficient weapon

              >There’s a reason every military superpower of the days of yore would opt for small, lightweight blades
              is still 100% true. Maybe not blades specifically since they were rather expensive and harder to make, but lighter more efficient easily usable weapons in general were the backbone of every military in existence since the beginning of recorded history. Even before then it was spears and bows

              > said that they were not small,
              small compared to the rod in the autist's video, which is what this whole thing is about. That "weapon" is a disgrace

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Even against a heavily armored knight type enemy, there are far better weapons than some dumb rod
                >with my light sword I can easily kill him
                >what if he has armour
                >what do you mean what if I have armour, there is far better weapons against my armor than that rod
                >A warhammer, mace, flail, or club are all lighter and faster than the rod. They would be much easier to use
                is that the only thing that matters, how easy something is to use?
                >and could likely deliver more damage even if the autist had a perfect setup and execution
                again, theory crafting based on zero experience. You can do this all day if you want but it comes off as ridiculous.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >is that the only thing that matters, how easy something is to use?
                How easy something is to use is directly correlated to how good of a weapon it is. Weight and length only transiently correlate to what a weapon may or may not be good at. A weapon whose only POTENTIAL use, is smacking a heavily armored knight with a slow windup is an objectively worse weapon that can do that as well as a myriad of other things while being easier to handle at the same time.

                >again, theory crafting based on zero experience
                It's the laws of physics dumbass. He wouldn't be able to create enough velocity to offset the weight of the weapon to make it useful for anything. Velocity is far more important than weight in this calculation. A lighter weapon swung faster will deliver more force, especially if it has a point of some kind on the end that will reduce the total surface area of the force being delivered, which would multiply the impact at a particular area. He can't move fast enough to create a strong enough force to justify the weight of the weapon since smaller weapons will deliver more force. He can't hit anything. He leaves himself open for attack. He's unnecessarily encumbered

                If you think this is simply theory crafting you're an actual genetic dead end. I would love to see you take your weapon into a fully suited knight tournament and get bodied. It would be hilarious

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >How easy something is to use is directly correlated to how good of a weapon it is.
                okay why don't you use a toothpick then? very light and easy to use, and best of all it doesn't rust when you have to lug it around on long trips

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >dumb wannabe knight doesn't understand the word correlated
                >proceeds to ignore everything about weight, force multiplication, force delivery, force generation, recoverability, etc.
                >"but it's easy to use! that must make a toothpick the best weapon in the world right? That's what you were saying right? How easy something to use is means it's a better weapon right?"
                actual fricking autist

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It's the laws of physics dumbass.
                >real world experience?! who needs that, I can see everything in my minds eye without ever stepping out of my room! I've defeated you a thousand times and that just with my knife

                >He wouldn't be able to create enough velocity to offset the weight of the weapon to make it useful for anything. Velocity is far more important than weight in this calculation. A lighter weapon swung faster will deliver more force,
                >He can't move fast enough to create a strong enough force to justify the weight of the weapon since smaller weapons will deliver more force.
                shit, I though you were just baiting yous but you actually have poor understanding of physics too

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you can have both weight in the right spot and swing it very fast. A smaller balanced weapon can deliver more force than a large unbalanced dumb ass weapon (the rod). It's physics dude. Physics is reality. This has been tested by militaries for millenia

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >my theory crafting is reality
                no stop living inside your head and go touch steel

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                refer to below

                https://i.imgur.com/II830yH.jpeg

                like, I genuinely don't even know what to say to you if you can't comprehend that this weapon in picrel will always produce more force than that dumb ass rod if they're being used by the exact same man hitting as hard as he can. Doesn't matter how skilled he gets with both weapons or how strong he is. He will always hit harder with the one-handed warhammer and will always be able to deal more damage both to armored and unarmored targets while having a smaller easier to use weapon that is objectively the better weapon in every conceivable way. The only possible way the rod could ever be better is if it was used to drop on an unsuspecting opponent from a very high place

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                like, I genuinely don't even know what to say to you if you can't comprehend that this weapon in picrel will always produce more force than that dumb ass rod if they're being used by the exact same man hitting as hard as he can. Doesn't matter how skilled he gets with both weapons or how strong he is. He will always hit harder with the one-handed warhammer and will always be able to deal more damage both to armored and unarmored targets while having a smaller easier to use weapon that is objectively the better weapon in every conceivable way. The only possible way the rod could ever be better is if it was used to drop on an unsuspecting opponent from a very high place

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >not the main weapon of the samurai. It was the katana, which was a light and efficient weapon
                Ok, here you show your ignorance and how shaped you are by pop culture media. The main weapon of the samurai was not the katana or tachi, during the gempei era it was the bow (yumi), when they fought primarily as cavalry archers and during the sengoku jidai era it was the spear (yari) when they fought on foot to a greater extent.
                Tachis or katanas were weapons they fell back to if they got into a pressed melee, like knights and arming swords.
                I am a huge samurai sperg, and you betrayed your ignorance of history,

                "However, the main weapons on the battlefield in the Sengoku period in the 16th century were yumi (bow), yari (spear), and tanegashima (gun), and katana and tachi were used only for close combat. "
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katana
                I won't argue with you more, you're jaded by pop media and I hate that. Even then, if you'd watch some jap samurai movies, like those by Akira Kurosawa, you'd get a far more historical correct perception. Good luck on educating yourself, you came to deboonk claims as if they were animaymay memes, and you managed to prove yourself a animaymay dork.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >and katana and tachi were used only for close combat
                Is exactly what we were talking about. weren't discussing anything else

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I know I said I would not argue anymore, but come the frick on, now you're clearly moving the goalposts and arguing in bad faith, this is what (you) wrote originally:
                >There’s a reason every military superpower of the days of yore would opt for small, lightweight blades
                and now suddenly you take that as to mean what side weapons they used in melee presses?
                Katanas and tachis were SIDEWEAPONS! not MAIN weapons! You might as well argue for sais if you're gonna be like that. Conviently, you reduced the kanabo to "KEK NOT A REAL SAMURAI WEAPON" when a samurai could use a kanabo as a main weapon, in addition to their daisho (which I bet you don't even know what that is, it's the katana and wakizashi).
                This is absurd, I suggest you read the samurai books by Turnbull and you might not sound like a complete ignorant goalmoving moron who's forray into history started when you watched game of thrones.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I am aware of all these things, nothing I said contradicts this. What the previous anon said was that
            >There’s a reason every military superpower of the days of yore would opt for small, lightweight blades
            and that's not true

            I never said people used heavy rods in war, but I'd argue that the Kanabō they used in Japan could be considered a rod, and it was definitively viable in 1v1

            Like, I never said the rod in the video was any good for fighting with, but still there are examples of rod like heavy weapons
            >Your contention that militaries haven't utilized light and efficient weapons for all of human history is completely wrong.
            That's not what I said, I never said they would not make the weapons as light as possible, I said that they were not small, they did not go into war with daggers as main weapons (except for wrestling in the knight era).
            Even then I gave an example of another soldier which used small weapons, the hispanic mercenaries with their falcatas.
            You sound a bit bumblasted mate, chill

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Zweihanders are a meme used in formation for clearing the spearheads off pike formations. Hand and a half swords are what people really used

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Cavalry charges were melee so spears or swords. Halberds were for taking someone off a horse or duelling(knights would often go look for a 1v1 in the chaos of battle) as the spike was good hooking onto armor and poking through it. A sword would be pretty bad for a regular duel against full armor because you can't slash as much, but is the only one you can use after you miss the initial thrust to go through joints.

            But yeah for a 1v1 halbred is probably the best because only swinging it like an ax is gonna do shit, that's what zweihander handbooks illustrate mostly with opening swings/combos because past a certain point its all grappling.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yea, swords get so romanticized because of media. Blunt weapons mog against armor since you can frick people up. For me its the flanged mace and shield combo lol

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They're the only weapon you can slash with if the opponent tries to grapple though. And odds are your sword ends up under their arm but most battles would be knights as cavalry using a spear against a basic unit in chainmail.

                1v1 2handed is best ofc to parry or just nullify the other dudes sword. I mean if some dude tried using a big ass shield I'm kicking it or hacking at it to frick his arm up.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And can't forget joints still have chain but stabbing through the helmet is another technique which puts swords above spears easily.

                Spears work much better when getting past it means you're met with several other spears. I wanna say makes we're used a lot but I'm taking a halbred because idk how I'd use a zweihander or claymore(zweihander is meant for fully armored knights more ofc and have the thinner tip for the through the helmet move).

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Back of the knee I'm pretty sure didn't have mail or the cotton leather undergarment thing.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >hacking at it
                This is why people would use wood sheilds. Catch a sword in the edge and you're fricked lol

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Catch a sword in the edge and you're fricked lol
                catch this!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lol you're alright anon

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >tries some gay shit
                >kicks them in the chest

                What're you gonna do?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You aren't blocking or parrying a strong dude with a 2hander unless you block into his hilt and punch him. That'd require moronic ass footwork and gauntlets yourself.

                Frick dude how sick it'd be to be a crusader back in the day imagine some unarmored bastard and 2 of his cuck friends try to "duel" you.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I may not care for two hand, but you're right about the last part. We're blessed with easy lives, but at the same time we'll never get to experience real war. Modern war is cuck shit, shooting someone is no way comparable to the days of melee combat. Imagine obliterating someone even through their helmet with a mace, pure ooga booga savagery

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Also bastard swords (1 1/2 hand) are a thing so you can fight two handed or one handed. Good luck using a two handed with one hand if you need to for some reason

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Good luck using a two handed with one hand if you need to for some reason

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lol if you're actually being serious that sword is flying out of your hand if it meets any resistance. Two hand swords are balanced so that a good amount of weight is below your top hand

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > flying out of your hand if it meets any resistance.
                So will the resistance that meets it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Assuming you're actually larp-anon, I gotta respect the commitment to the bit. I just hope for your sake you quit doing it if it starts wrecking your joints. Real swords, even large ones, were only like 5lbs

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Become strong enough to resist joint dislocation!

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              In a knightly 1v1 the weapon of choice was the pollax tho, not the halberd.
              Similar, but not really, and more suited for a battle between metal cans

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The lighter spear ax with no heft to it is great for swinging it st someone then bringing it back but still I'd prefer a Warhammer/spike spear/mini scythe halbred with a counterweight handle for clubbing and full metal shaft.

                You can just parry whatever if needed but mostly just go through on the thrust into full armor with the spike then manipulate and beat the shit out of them.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nah I'm using a basic ass wooden spear and a dagger plus skill. Dumb homosexual can't take a punch to the head regardless of armor.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Literally see how that goes vs someone good with a quality zweihander.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        in a real situation he would be using a lighter sword or machete which he can swing much faster due to his training. that Black person's getting poked up 100 times over long before he can get within stabbing range.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >which he can swing much faster due to his training
          He won't have the muscle memory. That's like trying to get better at boxing by bench pressing.
          Yeah, you're getting stronger at pushing your arms forward but it's a completely different movement.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >He won't have the muscle mem-ACK

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            no what he's doing would be the equivalent of trying to mimic a punch with a cable press,which could carry over to punching power

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              doesn't work
              >but pros do it and their coaches recommend it
              they don't know better. Neither their coaches nor they know better

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                lmao
                >every professional athlete and all their coaches are wrong! i am the only one with the correct opinion!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Neither their coaches nor they know better
                and you think you do. get the frick out out.

                and there are other coaches and an entire field of science dedicated to finding out if stuff like that actually helped. Spoiler alert. They found it didn't. It's meme shit. Not like you dumb Black folk would pick up a book long enough to find out though

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                exercise science is a joke and you are a fool for mindlessly believing shit that some rando in a lab coat says

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Literally everything you do for exercise (implying you exercise at all) was once said by a rando in a coat once you stupid fricking moron.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                and I'm sure nobody did a single muscle movement until some guy in a lab coat told them to.
                soiance can only grasp at what should be, while reality chads are already doing it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The moronation of IST (YOU) never fails to entertain me

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                bro he read a book, that means he knows better than people who actually do things in real life, don't ya know?
                This dude swinging a rod? What is he even doing, my book says he is wrong!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                by all means, keep doing your time wasting dumb shit. It's just another way to determine who the morons are when I see them doing shit like this. Just makes it easier to know who not to talk to

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >lift heavy object
                >lift heavier object
                >repeat
                congrats, i just solved lifting, and i didn't need a scientist to tell me shit.
                subjective opinions of experts (coaches, athletes, etc) > scientific consensus ALWAYS

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                We weren't talking about lifting moron. We were talking about skill transfer. Doesn't matter though. You're literally incapable of understanding science or data in general. Text me back more monkey-ass platitudes about how you view the world though. It's pretty entertaining. Makes me glad I'm not you

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >no webm to show your supposed skill
                >no body pasted
                lefty/troony/soiance enjoyer

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >no webm to show your supposed skill
                exquisite

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                applying resistance to a movement is lifting you dense motherfricker

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Neither their coaches nor they know better
                and you think you do. get the frick out out.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              What he's doing doesn't make sense in that regard anon. With a real sword you don't need to train heavier to make it "easier," a real sword should be light and move easily in the hand. You're just training bad muscle memory for when you go to use a properly weighted weapon

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Explosive lifts and medicine ball throws work

    More importantly:
    >heavy
    >wet hand towel

    what the?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think he means he drenches it in water so it's more difficult to throw around

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yeah but, a wet towel is not heavy enough to create any kind of training effect

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >sprints
    >shovel press
    >javelin press
    >barbell flys
    >snatch
    >clap pull ups

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why not just get a jump rope? Anyways for a gym workout: exercise that target force output of the arrms to increase speed: pullovers, seesaw presses, (on a bench) and cheat curl spam, zigzag prints, sledge pull and push for speed and s trength.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      zigzag sprints, strength.*

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Can spinning something such as a heavy wet hand towel like a helicopter blade help in improving my hand speed?
    hand speed for what? train for whatever you're doing dude. Spinning a fricking towel will only make you better and faster at spinning a fricking towel. This is such a fricking moronic question

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >a dumb rod

    isnt the point that its a heavy hunk of steel that hes training with so that when he uses the real thing it feels lighter?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No, the moron actually believes that he could kill a bear with a single swing and wants to be proficient with it as a weapon

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Get a speedbag, swinging something is just using momentum

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Combine traditional strength training and high-velocity training, like explosive push-ups and pull-ups, box jumps etc. Also, keep in my mind the principle of specificity.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    To become fast, train fast. Don't use weights that are too heavy for you to move at max speed.

    This will also raise max strength due to CNS activation. It's total shit for hypertrophy though.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sadly there's conflicting information on the efficacy of speed training. Westside uses it, but a lot of others think it's mostly useless

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