>SS. why is this shit 3x5, squat-focused meme program still being shilled to beginners?

>SS
why is this shit 3x5, squat-focused meme program still being shilled to beginners?
It’s literally garbage even for a beginner routine, there’s way better programs for beginners out there and yet this board still seems to shill this garbage over other beginner programs

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think it is shilled much nowadays. You should have seen how bad it was 10 years ago with the SS/SL shilling on here and Reddit.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Should be removed from the sticky

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The sticky should be removed from the sticky. Seriously lots of dead links and other problems.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          This lmao the sticky has been trash for a while. Fricking jannies not doing their job

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          you volunteering to do a complete rewrite of the sticky for free, anon?
          if so then please submit on IRC when finished

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I remember, in 2012 I was literally an eighth grader who had just moved over to IST after using /b/ and even as a noob 14 year old I realized SS was bullshit within like a week and switched over to a split

      I thought the basic compound lifts were pretty good for like 3 months?

      It’s not the compounds that make this routine bad, it’s the way they’re programmed

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        What would you do with all your knowledge if you had to start again?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          lol I would probably just do my current routine even though it’s not necessarily a beginner program. but what I would realistically recommend for those just starting out is PPL for beginners for those looking to get into bodybuilding and 5/3/1 for beginners for those looking to get into strength/powerlifting

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          5/3/1, Greyskull or GZCLP are infinitely better than SS/SL

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            can you elaborate for a dyel?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Lmao same. I did 5x5s when I was in eighth and ninth grade and almost immediately switched to a PPL, and eventually a Reeves style full body split. Actually got jacked doing those, 5x5s is meme tier. And you deserve to stay small if you actually stay on it for more than a month.

        What would you do with all your knowledge if you had to start again?

        lol I would probably just do my current routine even though it’s not necessarily a beginner program. but what I would realistically recommend for those just starting out is PPL for beginners for those looking to get into bodybuilding and 5/3/1 for beginners for those looking to get into strength/powerlifting

        Based and correct. I personally would have increased my volume sooner and hopped on the arnold (Back chest legs/ Arms version) split sooner and started smolov jr sooner. I would have probably been benching 405 when I was 18 had I done that.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Wait, what? What’s wrong with 5x5 linear progression? The issue with SS imo has always been the fact that you’re only doing 4 exercises and basically skipping back.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >4 exercises and basically skipping back.
          DO YOUR POWER CLEANS

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Power cleans are for explosiveness, not strength or hypertrophy. They have a place in some people’s training, but they’re definitely not the best choice for building a big strong back. The program does eventually include chin ups iirc though, which is good. Still not enough, I don’t know why he thinks beginners are supposed to wait a few weeks before training back directly lol

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Does anyone on SS actually do the power cleans? I thought everyone who does it without a SS coach (which is 99% of people on SS) just swaps them for rows.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Should be removed from the sticky

      whats wrong with SL 5x5?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        SL 5x5 doesn't give you much for what you put in. The progression of it is dumb and it is better used as an outline or inspiration rather than a strict guideline. After a month of S/B/Ds for 5x5s you should already know your real PRs and be able to do a real intermediate routine with enough hypertrophy like PPL or PHUL.
        You get way better gainz as running pyramids, drop sets, and 5x10s and in a shorter workout session than running meme tier 5x5s.
        As an elite powerlifter I haven't run a 5x5 in years, because it's honestly the worst of both worlds, not enough hypertrophy, not enough volume for CNS training.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Shane Hunt, an actual elite powerlifter (2160 lb total) posts videos doing 5x5s all the time. I’m going to trust him over you, sorry anon.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >be able to do a real intermediate routine
          > like PPL or PHUL.

          HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            He's right. Both are infinitely better for putting on mass

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >and be able to do a real intermediate routine with enough hypertrophy like PPL or PHUL.
          subtle anon

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        It was created by some internet marketer piggy backing the SS popularity

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I thought the basic compound lifts were pretty good for like 3 months?

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    worked for me lol

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      of course it did, going outside and lifting heavy stones is gonna work compared to doing absolutely nothing, that doesn’t mean it’s the best way to optimize beginner gains

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I dunno I got to a 420 x 5 squat on SS worked bretty gud better than stones probably lol

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >I got to a 420 x 5 squat on SS

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >completely missing the point
            never said lifting stones was better than SS, just using it as an analogy for how SS isn’t even close to the most optimal beginner program
            also there’s no way you hit a 4pl8+ squat with SS lmfao, think of a better lie next time

            I did. I'm

            [...]

            . Sorry, but it's possible. 🙂

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >SS
              >only squats once a week
              holy shit how are you this moronic, ask me how I can tell that’s not you and you’re just a pathetic larper

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                > "I got to 420 x 5 on SS"
                > squatting 530 x 3 in the video
                it's almost as if he isn't doing SS anymore

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              I have no fricking clue why some people train legs that much

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Do you do another leg day with machines or just do squats once a week for glutes and quads?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >completely missing the point
          never said lifting stones was better than SS, just using it as an analogy for how SS isn’t even close to the most optimal beginner program
          also there’s no way you hit a 4pl8+ squat with SS lmfao, think of a better lie next time

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          based riceball dabbing on dyels.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        SS also worked for me. I ended up becoming stronger then most people in the gym from just 5-6 months of lifting. You can say any beginner can go in and do anything and make gains and that is just not true. So many people go to the gym and make no fricking progress at all

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >why is this shit 3x5, squat-focused meme program still being shilled to beginners?
    Because it makes rippetoe money, and his shills think its
    >bazed and le red pillzed training
    >way better programs for beginners
    Don't know about way better. It doesn't really matter what they run as long as they go to the gym.
    My problem with SS is its billed as some wellbeing program but does nothing for mobility, cardiovascular endurance, upperbody strenght, etc

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >My problem with SS is its billed as some wellbeing program but does nothing for mobility, cardiovascular endurance, upperbody strenght, etc

      It's billed as a beginners strength programme, anyone who tries to claim it's anything more than that is moronic. There are better ones I think but at least at three days (rather than the 6 of ppl that most people recommend) you at least have time to do those other things

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >anyone who tries to claim it's anything more than that is moronic
        So rippetoe and everyone else that shills it as a way to end the suffering of old people?

        got it

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Old people are not beginners?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            They are. My point, which you completely missed, was that Rippetoe doesn't bill it as only a beginner strength program to these people.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              What does he bill it as?

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine thinking you know more than someone who's been training people for decades.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It's not even that it's just a basic inability to think
      Every criticism is moronic
      There is no way to make faster size and strength gains than running up your squat, deadlift, bench, and press as high as possible as efficiently as possible, and that is literally all SS does
      It's real, real hard though and I think that is the main reason people hate it. That and residual Weider bodybuilding thinking.

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Ss is moronic. Any beginner program with more periodization is more intelligent. Forcing power cleans on beginners who can't even front squat is dumb. The diet is what makes it especially moronic.

    > then don't do the diet
    Ripplebreasts would scream "ur not doing tha progrham!!"

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Why spend 6 days and 100s of sets to accomplish less than you could in 3 days and 20 sets?

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The best routine Rippletoe ever came up with for your average incel (ie his entire audience base) that wants to start lifting was a variation on SS called practical programming novice routine that's tucked away in one of his books.

    Monday and Friday
    3x5 squat
    3x5 bench / ohp alternating
    3xF chins / pull ups alternating

    Wednesday
    3x5 squat
    3x5 bench / ohp alternating
    1x5 deadlift

    The best warm up is taking your work set of the days weight and doing 40% of it for 5, 50% for 5, and 60% for 3. Then doing your 3x5. This warm up is taken from one of jim wendlers 531 books, probably the first one.

    Just do that for like 3 months until you stall out and then start an intermediate program. All the fricking around and adding exercises at certain weeks is just ripplebreasts overcomplicating things and trying to sell more books to morons. And powercleans are completely pointless if you aren't an athlete.

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    You gays always say there are better beginner programs but I never see a single one suggested

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      531 for beginners
      Reddit PPL
      Lyle McDonalds generic bulking routine
      GZCLP

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Upon reading the programs, they barely seem different from the 3 phase of the SS beginner program. Can you explain what makes them better exactly?
        Do they somehow alleviate the below average genetics beginner trainee from needing to sleep 8 hours, gain bodyweight, rest 5+ minutes between sets, use 2-5 lb fractional plates or do sets of 4 , 5 or 6 reps in order to lift heavy numbers and gain muscle size?

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Perfect thread.
    Having my first day at the gym next week. Apparently every starter routine I've read about is trash. Recommend me a good one.
    I will NOT be reading a 10,000 word essay. I will NOT buy your dumbass book. That will be all.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Greyskull lp

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        lol greyskull is such a dogshit program with 0 volume. sucks how many beginners got memed into it.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Are you moronic? You're SUPPOSED to add accessory exercises to required ones!

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      unironically starting strength if u are a neet loser

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Starting strength.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      PPL for beginners if you care about hypertrophy, 5/3/1 for beginners or greyskull LP if you care about strength

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >SS is a mem...

    This kid can put four fricking plates over his head as a natty thanks to SS and Rippetoe.

    Apologize right now.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I only count three plates

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Wait is that legitimate form? I bet I could add 20 pounds to my max OHP if I let myself have that kind of back arch, but I keep it with a healthy posture arch and insanely squeezed glutes

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >insanely squeezed glutes
        L O N D O N
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        N
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        O
        N

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      standing benchpress?

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Beginners are literal piles of dough with no muscle or coordination. It makes sense to get them started on a simple program of a few basic compounds to build a foundation of strength and neurological development. Long term it's a shit program.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      why not just start with pushups and hindu squats and cardio so their joints aren't shit before they even start

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Pushups and free-weight squats are shit for people who are beginners, you say "this is better for your joints" when you suggest extremely joint-intensive training.
        What a beginner should do is walk around for a few hours and focus on their mind-muscle connection and hyper-focus on their breathing.

        You teach a newbie proper breathing technique and they will naturally assume proper form for most exercises, frick this counting bullshit, frick hopping from machine to machine and having 20+ different exercises a session, just move your body and don't stop

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          why not just start with pushups and hindu squats and cardio so their joints aren't shit before they even start

          Let me play Dungeon Master for a bit and give a random encounter for your fitness program
          A wild obese person comes in to the Gym where you work, they're already drenched in sweat and they stink profusely, and all they've done so far is walk from their car to the front desk of the gym.
          You suggest body weight squats and pushups, they comply and promptly snap their wrists and blow out their knees, GG you lose

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I'm pretty much intermediate upper/advanced lower now and still do 3x5 sometimesbut more like in the way to th old coolcicada ppl was set up, it's a nice setXrep scheme sometimes for heavy compound lifts nothing is wrong with it just do some other shit for volume afterwards.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I always liked starting with volume then going to one rep maxes
      I did the test one day, lifted 1 plate for around 10 minutes, jumped to 3 plates, crushed the fricking lift EZ mode
      Next day I try 3 plates right out of the gate, my spine was all curved and it hurt like frick
      Lesson: Warm up you frick

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    SS is literally just something you do for a couple months to build up a shit ton of strength if that's all you want. It does exactly what it says it will do.
    morons on here seem to think that all exercise will lead to them being lean with a six pack and huge muscles with nothing in between, and judge every program based on what immediate results they get towards that goal. They would say a powerlifter routine is a bad routine because it doesn't do what a bodybuilder routine does, instead of just doing a bodybuilder routine.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      SS gets shit because it gets recommended for everyone who's starting out even if they don't give a shit about powerlifting.

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >all these reddit replies

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >reddit
      https://www.reddit.com/r/StartingStrength/

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >SS gay makes a moronic image
      >I-If I call something r-reddit then it’ll make me right
      literally nothing to base that image on, unironically was made by a lifting newbie

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I've been doing SL for a few months now, and I've defintiely made some progress. I was pretty skinny and unathletic when I started, but should I just switch to GZCLP now? It seems way better. I usually do hypertrophy sets of 4x10 when I deload the weights anyway.

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >70 posts
    >still no consensus on what the best beginner routine actually is
    I'll just do SS then I guess

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Most of the autism going around about programs literally doesn't matter for beginners. Just do compounds to hit most of the muscles and lift more weight each session than the previous.

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