Yeah, but you don’t want to cook your own liver until after you’re dead. Otherwise, you die sooner and are in pain. That’s the secret about livers that doctors don’t tell you.
Woke up with another raging headache massive feelings of guilt again, decided to flush all my alcohol down the toilet and to never buy any again.
I would be lying when I say it was easy, but that's really all I did
I did not quit, I just dont consume it anymore.
If there is a good reason to drink I will drink, but apart from buying a bottle of soju and mixing it with beer because of kdramas I havent had a single glass in 2 years.
After a certain age and social status drinking isn't the only option for social interaction
Not the guy you asked but I personally quit after the amount of booze I was drinking started causing me intense depression during recovery periods and intense social anxiety / panic attacks, when my brain's serotonin / dopamine would be out of whack
After an extreme binge, I'd need about 9-10 days for my brain to regenerate and to be able to be productive / go out again (Ironically, when I felt good again, i'd get smashed again, ad infinitum)
So I decided to quit. I wish I could keep drinking, but for some reason, my neuro transmitters got completely burnt out. I miss being 19 and being able to get destroyed and feel fine in a day
Had the same happen, I'd just get more and more depressed after each night out/party, if there was something else that would bother me then the hangover turned it into a "kms"-level issue.
Fricking disgusting poison.
Yeah
My last ultra binge, I reached suicidal level depression for about 9 days. That's when I realized it's either quit now or destroy my fricking life
Keep in mind this was the result of being a weekend warrior, something people think is absolutely normal and won't damage your brain
Honestly, I'm near the same point. My brother is an alcoholic too. I dont drink nearly as much as I used to but I still binge once and a while and it sucks after. Problem is I lvery drinking
I thought it's just being young, but I actually think it's brain damage from years of drinking
I think it just takes years of drinking 0 booze for your neuro transmitters to heal after you frick them for a decade
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Kinda crazy how being young forgives your neurotransmitter effect the next day, I don't remember having emotional issues ever. Now If I get drunk, it activates HEAVY depression. My last time drinking induced such a serotonin shortage, it was actually fricking suicidal nightmare mode. That was my cue to stop, the magic is completely gone
I'm 21 (
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Had the same happen, I'd just get more and more depressed after each night out/party, if there was something else that would bother me then the hangover turned it into a "kms"-level issue.
Fricking disgusting poison.
here), I think it might also be very much person dependent. Some people can drink a ton their whole lives without developing mental hangovers like this. I used to get drunk pretty much every Friday back in the first 2.5 years of high school, I don't really remember any actual hangovers from that time, except near the end where I remember thinking to myself "this is horrible, I don't get anything out of this I want to stop" as I was going home from a party drunk.
Then I took acid once and ever since then something always just felt wrong or off after drinking during the hangovers, and the feeling kept on getting more and more sinister and intense. Anyway I'm thankful to have had the option to realize how horrible of a drug it is, just sucks that it's nigh impossible to find evening social activities to partake in that aren't just everyone drinking (at least in uni as far as I'm aware).
1 year ago
Anonymous
I mean it's fun, I'm not coping that it's not great - some of the best and most memorable parties of my life have been on booze, however it poisons your entire body so much that it's just not sustainable unless you're prepared to wrestle with the worsening side effects
Not to mention if you're genetically prone to alcoholism (like me) where alcohol makes you feel euphoric and acts like a stimulant.... Basically creeps up to you where you end up getting sloshed on every single business dinner (and they happen often once you're a bit older)
The gripe i always had with booze is how socially acceptable it is to be an alcoholic, as a matter of fact in some business circles it's expected for some reason
>be alcoholic >drink a bottle of whiskey every 2-3 days for years >meet girl, she doesn't ask me to quit >asks me to switch to beer though >fair enough >still alcoholic >now drink about a case a week when i work, 10-15 on days off. >couple years pass >married now, have lazy af brother in law >brother in law is reddit personified, lazy dudeweed with no skills who cant keep a job >tries to date stupid 18yr olds at the fast food places he works at. Hes 35 >lives with his mother, makes her pay bills >refuses all good advice and drinks all day >have to help her with money and shit bc rona and lazy frick (shes a nice lady i dont mind) >can b***h that he's lazy, but know that i also have a drinking problem >he quits job again, has fat girlfriend move in to buy him beer and help his mom with bills while he plays playstation all day >cousin comes to visit, get drunker then normal. Wake up puking for the first time in years. >have to drive an hour to visit her family. He's drunk at noon >have my own problems, keep it cool. >see him sneak my 16yr old neice a drink of his beer when he thinks nobody is looking. >stare him down till he gets uncomfortable and goes to his room. >has his ugly girlfriend come with him >go to kitchen, write Naltrexone on grocery whiteboard. >let everyone know he was trying to be "cool uncle" and to watch them more. >mother in law thinks prescription for his girlfriend >girlfriend and him look it up, get angry and start accussing each other >she moves out 2 days later >free ride gone, homosexual has to actually get a job again. Cant spend all day drinking. >so disgusted feeling like him i quit cold turkey
Hate that homosexual. Haven't had a drink in 7 months now. It literally disgusts me. I refuse to be anything like him.
>see him sneak my 16yr old neice a drink of his beer when he thinks nobody is looking.
That's someone asking to get their teeth removed with a fist in my book
Its literally normal, the only thing is that it's done by an alcoholic loser. I got a sip of raki at that age and i was practically a teetotaler until 28
>drink a bottle of whiskey every 2-3 days for years >alcoholic
That's lightweight, boy. In my peak I was drinking a handle every two days, minimum. I started the morning with a pint of whiskey and did shots throughout the day. Did this for five years. One morning I just woke up and decided I don't want to drink anymore. Now I might drink a glass of bourbon on a holiday or something.
Not sure how people become alcoholic.
How do you regularly drink to the point of becoming addicted? lol
Either you constantly have a bottle in your hand wherever you are, or you are a loser at home/at the bar all day doing nothing but drinking
It's not like cigarettes which you can whip out at any moment and it's socially acceptable to consume them everywhere
For me it was when my girlfriend left me. I drank a whole bottle the same night she left, and after that I just continued drinking. I work from home and kept it down during the busy hours in the morning when there was a chance of getting a call or having a meeting, and even then I went sloshed to some meetings.
My routine the first month and a half was dream about her, wake up, remember that she is gone, make a coffee and mix it with cinnamon, caramel and liquour, take a shower, drink a shot, connect and make another coffee like that every few hours. At lunch have a glass of whiskey or three with some dried meat and hard cheese, then another special coffee. After work I would watch movies or do anything to distract myself while refilling a never ending glass of whiskey until I either passed out, finished the bottle or friends came bringing beer.
Rinse and repeat.
I drank so much that even tho I only ate like 400-600 cal of food a day I still gained a few kg.
The scariest part is that after some time I wasn't even so sad at first when I woke up but I obsessively thought about her only to "see if I was sad or not" which translated to alcoholic language was finding a reason to drink at 7am.
Luckily I have a family history of alcoholism so I am aware of the dangers and managed to break the habit, but I could see how it could have gotten MUCH worse. After two weeks of this I was already driving around town to go buy more booze and did not care about the consequences, and besides that time I have always had the "not a single drop when driving" rule. It's so insidious that you don't even notice how much your character changes until it's too late.
Also I have to add that even thinking about all this makes me itch for a nice glass of Laphroaig but I am on a cut right now and I know that I won't stop at a single glass and I will definitelh obliterate the fridge afterwards.
Not that anon but I drank for twenty years, mostly beer, until I started puking up blood and having stomach problems - GERD, basically. Went to the doctor and got on benzodiazepines because I was a severe alcoholic. Took benzos for 4 months then quit and switched to Kratom. Been on kratom for over a year. I also drink non alcoholic beer. It’s not ideal but it’s a hell of a lot better than where i was. Been 20 months
Also, yes I lift. Have normal BMI, deadlift 1.7x my weight, almost 40 years old. I know that’s not impressive but it’s more important for me to stay lean and keep my muscle tone. I am going to target my diet and recomp over the coming years. Will never drink again.
drank heavy for about 15 years, had some health problems so cut back, noticed I felt better so started working out, sleep and mood improved, energy levels improved, extra cash, become motivated to go out and try new hobbies, realized booze was a crutch so just stopped, basically just study/draw/go to church/spend time with family now. nothing wrong with drinking if you can do it in moderation but that isn't me.
Not the guy you asked but I personally quit after the amount of booze I was drinking started causing me intense depression during recovery periods and intense social anxiety / panic attacks, when my brain's serotonin / dopamine would be out of whack
After an extreme binge, I'd need about 9-10 days for my brain to regenerate and to be able to be productive / go out again (Ironically, when I felt good again, i'd get smashed again, ad infinitum)
So I decided to quit. I wish I could keep drinking, but for some reason, my neuro transmitters got completely burnt out. I miss being 19 and being able to get destroyed and feel fine in a day
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Had the same happen, I'd just get more and more depressed after each night out/party, if there was something else that would bother me then the hangover turned it into a "kms"-level issue.
Fricking disgusting poison.
Kinda crazy how being young forgives your neurotransmitter effect the next day, I don't remember having emotional issues ever. Now If I get drunk, it activates HEAVY depression. My last time drinking induced such a serotonin shortage, it was actually fricking suicidal nightmare mode. That was my cue to stop, the magic is completely gone
I thought it's just being young, but I actually think it's brain damage from years of drinking
I think it just takes years of drinking 0 booze for your neuro transmitters to heal after you frick them for a decade
>Have IQ higher than 70 >Have self control >Instead of letting alcohol ruin my life or completely abstaining from it, I just drink responsibly instead
whoa that was so difficult bros oh my god
I did not quit, I just dont consume it anymore.
If there is a good reason to drink I will drink, but apart from buying a bottle of soju and mixing it with beer because of kdramas I havent had a single glass in 2 years.
After a certain age and social status drinking isn't the only option for social interaction
>I'm sober but I still drink
Is this moronation? Trolling? Maybe a translation error?
>Instead of letting alcohol ruin my life or completely abstaining from it, I just drink responsibly instead
Kek i remember thinking this at the beginning of college15 years ago. Let me know how you end up kiddo
i drink maybe 2 beers a week and have no idea how people struggle to control their consumption of this shit
i enjoy a cold beer after a 45-60 minute cardio session, and fit the calories into my TDEE >dude you're ruining your cardio by drinking 120 calories of beer dude
nah
i have noticed zero negative side effects from my current alcohol consumption habits
do these people lack discipline? true moderation and self control really isn't that hard
Nice going. I got some relatively good news from the doctor (Low iron, fixable) and been tempted to drink again. I just told myself I want to try to go six months without and hope I can drink relatively normally afterwards.
if you dont drink at all youre literally wasting your liver. drink in moderation
>wasting your liver
So few people appreciate the whole suite of things the liver does and just thinks yeah lol alcohol.
Just guessing here:
It would shift the blame away from alcohol to the true perpetrator being obesity, heart disease, fatty liver, Alzheimer's, etc - Linoleic acid. And we can't have people being slim and healthy while eating sugar and drinking booze, now can we?
Frick this gay earth.
This is some severe copium. They’ve been laying down the hammer on smoking for over 60 years now, and at the time of the hammering (50s) it was more common than hating commies, which literally everyone did.
Dunno about the 50's, but currently alcohol industry hedges out tobacco by a large margin. This is without all the associated business like bars and shit
it IS also fricking damaging, this is entirely subjective, but i work as a MRI tech, and every single time i see ''cirrhosis'' on the sheet i KNOW it's gonna be a fricking horror show.
I'm not allowed, but i sincerely wish i could show you the images from a woman i did 3 weeks ago. Massive frickign liver, tumors everywhere including a frickign MASSIVE 9.2/8.6/8.2 centimeter one, almost enveloppig the pancreas with a conection to the wirsung canal. Girl was 27, and probably won't get to 30
>I have measured acute inflammatory biomarkers like CRP and TNFa 2 hours after a PUFA rich meal. The rise is uncomparable to anything else I have consumed, including alcohol. Some people will say alcohol suppresses inflammation but that's only for the first 24 hours. After that it bounces back with a vengeance. So, based on my N=1 tests PUFA is way more inflammatory than alcohol, which is also a TLR4 agonist so it is nothing to laugh at. >Heavy drinking inhibits cellular respiration and sets up an inflammatory process, involving iron, which will still be harmful, but less so than in the presence of PUFA. If absolutely none of the dietary PUFA were in the body, no one really knows what that metabolic stress would do, maybe nothing cumulative. -Ray Peat
it's such a bizarre phenomenon, people can find a way to construct a post claiming that nearly anything is healthy, even if it involves eating poop or sticking light bulbs up your ass
>Lol no >gives you a hangover >dehydrates you >can kill you if you are a moron
Continue believing Satan's lies, anon.
There's a reason Muslims, Christians & israelites are still a thing, whereas Romans, Greeks & Babylonians are only in history books.
>gives you a hangover
Don't drink excessively, and drink water. >dehydrates you
Don't drink excessively, and drink water. >can kill you if you are a moron
Morons that could kill themselves from drinking will find other ways to do it. >Muslims, Christians & israelites
Muslims are the only one out of the three that actually prohibit alcohol.
>stop projecting alcoholic >drinking is a part of european culture >an occasional drink does nothing >it helps with socializing autist >red wine is actually good for your heart >scotch whisky actually prevents diabetes >stop complaining and go out >amerimutts are bad but europe has a great drinking tradition for gatherings >european genes evolved in cold climates where constant action was detrimental. hence alcohol helped us become docile in winter. >... >...
>used to party hard >had a lot of fun while I was young >became alcoholic in mid-20s >would drink every day >would black out all the time and piss on random shit and act like moron >eventually grew up and stopped drinking like that >I still drink when I feel like it, maybe a couple times a month, never in excess
I just had to stop being a moronic kid. There's nothing wrong with alcohol if you are disciplined enough to not drink to excess.
>get piss drunk >get hangover >hangover passes >have brainfog for a week
BUT >also have SHITLOADS of energy, positive emotion and even better blood circulation (i usually get cold as frick after work)
I felt almost like I used to feel, when life was fun and deep. I saw a tree on my daily commute and in that state it was as beautiful as a painting. I NEED to achieve this fricking state again, and preferably not through a hangover.
yea I currently am still sitting at 10+ shots a day. I know I need to stop. cold turkey would be the easiest for me because once I have one drink its very hard to stop myself from having more.
I rarely get drunk, I keep a nice soft buzz going all day and then get tipsy at night.
I'm worried about getting fricked by withdrawal by going cold turkey. Any anons here have success with the weening method?
1 year ago
Anonymous
That's bad but it isn't terrible.
First drink 10 for a day then drink 2 fewer every day and you should be almost normal when you get down to 2. I'd keep it at 1/2 for a couple days after that then quit and only drink if you have any withdrawal symptoms.
I was drinking way too much for too long because of the DT fear.
Aspirin is even better afaik, it's even more broad spectrum than ibuprofen since it acts further up the inflammation chain. Stomach bleeding is a meme, especially if you take it with baking soda (DIY or Alka Seltzer).
There are literally ZERO upsides to drinking alcohol. It's moron juice that temporarily turns you into a moron, then you piss it away just like you piss away money and your health.
Not him, but you must also stop pitying yourself and avoid having the victim mentality.
Just take full responsibility, start hating yourself instead and use the hate as a fuel to transform your life. It's that easy.
I do hate myself and I'm trying to fix things but some things I cope about can't be fixed or won't be fixed any time soon. I hate myself a whole lot actually
>but some things I cope about can't be fixed or won't be fixed any time soon
We all have those. Don't want to overshare but I've seen some shit. I don't think I had it worse than everyone else but I also won't belittle it comparing myself to the starving kids in Africa or whatever. Just saying.
The important idea is that nothing lasts forever. That makes it easier to handle all misfortunes and hardships. You just gotta make it through. God will give you strength and you'll use it or die. And considering you'll die anyway, might as well be strong and go out with some dignity.
Why americ**ts can't drink like normal people?
Either thei are shitface drunk or "sober for 2 years".
Just drink while eating a nice meal or full stomach and drink lots of water betweet the glasses.
Its too late for me. I already fricked up my liver.
I dont even know the damage, but for its there because my liver gives me discomfort when I eat certain foods, especially sweets.
I quit 2 years ago, quit smoking too its still a problem.
Its over for me.
did you get an abdomen ultrasound to see what the damage is?
are you overweight, because that is also a major factor in liver damage?
it's not too late anon, no drinks for 2 years is good, are you working out?
Unless your liver is cirrhotic then it's not too late, and I'd wager you'd be losing weight like crazy and looking sicklier by the day if it were.
It takes A LOT of alcohol to completely kill your liver.
Unless your liver is cirrhotic then it's not too late, and I'd wager you'd be losing weight like crazy and looking sicklier by the day if it were.
It takes A LOT of alcohol to completely kill your liver.
As long as the liver has 25% working liver remaining it can rebuild itself. One of (only?) human organ that can do that.
So it's probably not cirrhosis. Go get it checked out in any case.
Please do. I did 5 years ago and that's been the best deiciso i ever took.
Went from a mean drunk early in school/college to just a social drinker to 0 alcohol. Savign a shitload of money, brain fog gone and so much more energy.
The only drink i allow is a toast at wedding and for christmas with the family, everything else, i'm good.
>started college 1.5 years ago >friends drink themselves silly every weekend, friday and saturday, occassionally a "thirsty thursday" >people will only hang out if you have something to drink or some other substance >have friends that I've literally never seen sober
it hurts just a little bit
>tfw I'm the guy some people have never seen sober
one part of me goes haha based, another part cringes at what I'm doing to some extent. It's like I'm not comfortable in my own skin and drinking helps, I guess.
I was that friend during highschool. Would get blackout drunk at every opportunity. If there was no party on the weekend I would get shitfaced at home and add some kpins to the mix. Eventually got to the point where I would do some shots in the morning to calm the nerves.
I cut down on drinking significantly tho and life is a hundred times better.
Got into collage and my roommates are those people and holy shit those people are annoying, I cringe from the fact that I was once like this
That’s on you, I’m in uni right now with id say 10 people I regularly see. All of them can be drinking/party mates and all of them can be a chill night of pizza (I don’t eat pizza tho) and card/board games.
I'm in my final semester in college. I remember drinking whenever I possibly could the first couple of semesters because GOOD parties happened relatively rarely, so it was kind of a "go nuts while you can" situation that was pretty innocuous.
When I turned 21, however, it got more difficult, because everyone could go to the bars. This means that you can have something to do basically every single night, which I took full advantage of. It got to the point where I was drinking to do something up to 4-5 days a week (can't miss Thursday, Friday, or Saturdays of course!)
It's a difficult situation. Now I have a dependence on alcohol for any sort of social stimulation. It's gotten to the point where I regular a bar so often every bartender knows my name, and I eat there and spend the day there.
The bright side is that its getting very old. All the girls in my grade either have boyfriends or me or some friend have run through them, so now its a lot of dead ends. I'm getting too old to hit on late juniors, etc.
So I'm starting to become more at peace with staying in or keeping it light for the night. I cannot wait until I graduate and can just focus on my career, fitness, eating correctly, etc.
>I'm getting too old to hit on late juniors, etc.
you can do whatever you want buddy, you're all still babies. I am 39, I am too old to hit on late juniors. develop a sense of perspective
also, running through literally all of the girls so there are no more girls, what a fricking problem to have
I quite alchoholism. I have one now and then. Alchohol helped me forget that I expected to be bullied in any interaction I engaged in. Maturing, and time, helped me learn to ignore that anxiety, and then later use it as an indicator rather than have it use me. As a result, the alchohol isn't needed anymore. Drinking is still a fun thing to do, but there are much funner activities and imbiberies (sp?) which are much healthier and far less destructive.
I have so much more energy and im late 30s, than i ever had from ... 18-34 (that's the demo, yeah?).
So I have this going for me, which is nice. Liver probably looks like an overdone steak at this point though. Really optimistic about genetic medicine helping turn back the clock on that, sooner or later. Even considering switching engineering to bio because i have a mild sense of urgency about it.
I digress. For those who want to quit or cutback, i believe in you. I've managed it. If i can, you can. I'm a fricking emotional moron, full disclosure. If you don't think you can do it then suck it up and think more highly of yourself.
I feel you
Glad to hear you stopped, I couldn't go out without drinking, it was a game changer for social interaction. But if I could do it with alcohol, I should do it without it, still struggling with anxiety but doing better
Wish luck to all quitter
I don't drink heavily almost ever but I have a liver condition and I am afraid of drinking at all because of it.
I like sampling the care and craftsmanship that goes into craft beers and fine wine, thats really the only reason I drink.
When you say "cant handle their alcohol" do you mean they can't drink responsibly or that they're not resistant to the effects of it due to not being an alcoholic.
More that they are either completely off the wagon or are terrified to have a sip of the stuff, ive got extended family over there and nobody in the family is allowed to drink alcohol when certain members are present as it triggers them
That’s funny.
In America I was always told that you don’t have a drinking problem unless you make it a problem.
We’ve absconded with our responsibilities and now require something else to control our habits.
Americans have a lot less fun shit than you to do at home.
When you live in the middle of the country and the only thing to do is watch tv or drive a four wheeler or whatever the frick because you live in buttfrick nowhere midwest state and your town pop is 1000, you can bet a lot of people turn to drinking for fun.
Imagine its the weekend, you're a factory worker and its mid winter and you're looking for something fun to do, you step outside and theres nothing but empty fields for a couple miles, to get anywhere you have to drive of course and its all cold and depressing so you drive to your buddies house where you and your friends just get shitfaced around a bonfire or you go to some shitty bar and have some had pour you drinks all night. At least you aren't into heroin like your buddie's older brother tho.
Meanwhile you live in euro and you can go walk around town, get nice food at some of the restaurants, maybe stop in the beer garden for a brew or two to treat yourself. at the end of the day if you get bored you can just walk around and see people you know or like oh im bored this weekend lets go skiing or lets go to other country x and visit cool castle y etc etc
Its probably the same reason why so many russians have shitty lifestyles. theres just jack shit to do
I quit except a sixpack of tall ones on saturday. It's 14 units which is the recommended limit, but hopefully my tolerance goes down soon so I can do with 5 again. Anyone know how fast tolerance dissipates?
>Regularly do like 300-600ml of vodka (no scent) a day >Quit for like a week >My workplace's "team" hosts a party >Im still literally the mvp thats intentionally failing my turn at drinking games and pouring myself triple shots while everybody else is dropping like flies
I used to drink around 2 bottles a week + some beer and wine
I haven't been *really* shitfaced in like 4 months and can still finish a bottle of vodka in one evening with ease while my frinds pass out on the floor
I guess the tolerance stays for more than a year
I'm sure your pining for her and drinking will manifest her.
I quit except a sixpack of tall ones on saturday. It's 14 units which is the recommended limit, but hopefully my tolerance goes down soon so I can do with 5 again. Anyone know how fast tolerance dissipates?
>Start a new job >This girl is one my colleagues >As with i do with everybody, I ask her a few questions and it turns out she's more interesting than a lot of my other colleagues >A few times she jokingly asks me for a date or marriage >Don't really think about it that much, ofc I'd just laugh off any suggestive joke she would make >Eventually my buddy mentions her and him going to like a restaurant together a few times >Im not comfortable with sharing the specifics of why exactly, but some time later after this she shows me how much of angel she is >Aaaaand shes most likely dating one of the dudes im really close with
Lmao lol even i blame fit for making me obsessed with lookism bullshit because yeah, she's not a 10 but I already considered her interesting at first and I should've gotten to know her better instead of thinking that her nostrils are slightly too visible from below and thinking I shouldn't waste my time making any advances or accepting any of her advances
I'm planning on going sober this week and then maybe dipping into something on Saturday; I don't want to get loaded before I drive home for Thanksgiving. The last 5 years or so have been characterized by me going through a bottle every Saturday but since I got my own place I've been drinking a little extra.
Can I get my liver tested? I live in rural America and I worry about the set things.
You'd have to talk to a doctor, main thing I'm aware of is doing a blood test for liver enzymes. That'll be a starting point anyway, if those are high or your doctor has reason to go further, a liver ultrasound
I think vodka is the healthiest alcohol buts it’s still extremely unhealthy, like all alcohol.
It still has calories and anything your stomach processes while you drink vodka will be stored as fat.
Haven’t drank since July 1, 2021. I was an addict and alcoholic for like a decade. Everything is so much better. I’m fit, making great money and the attention I get is insane. Me and this girl from work went to get dinner after work Saturday and I almost caved and got a drink. We talked for about 3 hours and idk she didn’t push it and stuff. We kinda talked about me possibly having one at some point and not drinking alone. Only with her basically. Idk I literally would wake up with the bottle next to me. I went to a meeting tonight and it didn’t help. I just want to get it over with so we can both get this thing going. We have such a vibe but idk what to do bros. She has a bf but it’s new and we just kinda met in the last three months since I started a new job. I’ve never met anyone that I vibe with like her. Idk what to do though. I just wanna get this relapse over with.
I like having a few drinks on Friday nights, sometimes Saturday nights.
I’ve always had trouble being social and fun to be around but alcohol makes me the person I want to be. I don’t think too much, I feel happy, I can talk to girls, and a bunch of other benefits.
The next day I don’t feel too bad because I drank water and didn’t go overboard with the alcohol.
Is this really that bad for me? I exercise hard, work, and study during the week but on the weekends I like to drink at night.
>The next day I don’t feel too bad because I drank water
this is so true but so many people think drinking water whilst getting fricked up sobers you up when in fact all it does is keep you hydrated, homies need to look it up
Everything I read says that water doesn’t sober you up, but damn it really feels like it does. I try to drink 1 16 oz water bottle per 2 drinks then drink as much water as possible before I sleep.
These threads naturally attract teetotalers with alcohol/addiction problems who project onto society that alcohol should never be consumed, simply because they themselves have had traumatic experiences.
i drink a bottle of bourbon erry saturday and shit talk people on socials, i also for some reason get tons of nudes from girls i know including people i work with, i dont really remember talking to any of them i just like to be drunk and play garen on league
>be me >alcoholic >drink vodka from the time I wake up till I sleep >do this because it numbs pain and makes me feel good >doctor recommends free CBT course >sure why the frick not >do CBT course >start doing the CBT exercises >for the first time in my life, pay attention to emotions and body >start to notice my own feelings and bodily sensations instead of resolutely ignoring them because I was taught doing otherwise is 'weakness' >start to notice 'holy shit i feel like garbage after i drink' >try one of the CBT challenges, which is to not use a substance and then see how you feel as an experiment >huh i kinda like not feeling hungover >huh i have the energy to go for walks >huh the CBT exercises help me deal with my depression and self-hatred and i can comfort myself instead of getting drunk to numb out feelings >start 'experimenting' by being sober 2-3 nights a week >wow it feels great to wake up sober >expand experiment nights to 4-5 days a week >energy expands, body feels better >over the course of 6 months gradually stop drinking altogether >now 18 months sober with zero desire to ever drink again >without the steady stream of depressants in my system my depression eased >felt motivated to go to therapy and hit the gym >gf loves the new me >i love the new me >happy to be sober >never once stepped foot in a moronic AA meeting/group
I get drunk once every few months. I thank the lord for not making me an alcoholic bum like you slobs in here. I honestly cannot imagine getting piss-drunk every single day, you people are fricking insane
I'm 30 and have drank every single day for past 2 years or so.
4 days per week: 12 units
3 days per week: 20 units (weekends)
I don't get hangovers and it has no impact to my job or life. I dirnk high quality vodka, beer and wine.
The only thing is, I'm genuinely not sure if this is considered a dangerous level of drinking or not? I'm otherwise in good shape and I eat good meals and maintain a calorie target of 2-2.5k per day.
I really don't want to be developing a scarred liver though.... I realise the 'recommended' limit is 14 units per week but I've always thought that figure was a bit ridiculous for most people, expecially healthy males.
they dont give liver transplants to alkies either so youll be fricked. Stop treating your body like a playground and act like its something you have to live in for decades.
enzyme can lag a bit, you want an ultrasound, and if they find something worth investigating they'll set you up for an mri
No I did not. Gonna do that next year. Hope I ain't fricked, lads. I doubt it, though. I have no symptoms of fatty liver, and I down milk thistle daily.
Thanks, bros.
1 year ago
Anonymous
praying for you lad, hope all is and stays well, but it's always worth it to check and make sure
That's terrible and no matter how healthy you feel it's goign to lead to cirrhosis and all kinds of nasty shit. At least add milk thistle supplement to reduce some of the liver damage (according to what I read).
Yes i was planning on buying some milk thistle supplements too. I also heard it helps, although the scientific evidence is not conculsive.
I only really drink to get a buzz. I don't enjoy being dizzy drunk. I just drink to relax and then i go to sleep. Cutting back is useless therefore. So i either abstain completely or continue as i am.
Probably an inflamed liver.
I'm fricking done bros. Still worried about what permanent damage I did to myself because kidneys don't regenerate like the liver does, not to mention the drain bamage
Just get blood tests
I take steroids as well as being an alcoholic so I get blood tests twice a year
So far no unusual damage to my organs, I guess I'm a strong boy
>addicted to alcohol, pot, and cigs >get addicted to cocaine >slowly give up other addictions to feed coke habit >run out of money >give up coke due to be broke >now addiction free
It's literally that easy
It doesn't even feel like a sacrifice, I've been drinking for a decade and last few years I've been wondering if I drink just out of habit, it doesn't give me much any more and I feel worse the day after as I grow older.
>Me and my sister were both born with whatever gene that makes your tongue violently respond in pain to carbonation >On reflex spat out my first taste of Cola when I was 5, at some school event, b***h teacher wouldn't give me water >Fizzy candy is painful to eat >Tried multiple types of alcohol, not found one that I've manged to have more than a sip of
I'd be bummed about missing out but growing up with my dad as a drunk put me off the idea of drinking anyway.
I knew a dude who could have one weekend without vodka.
I hate the hangover, so it was never a problem with me but I can see how this drinking pattern can begin.
I smoked so much, for 6 uears and after 10 months I feel my right lung hard like rubber.
Sometimes I feel as if someone splashed cold water over my right torax side.
I am a bit scared but when I go days without any of these strange sensations I found myself wishing a smoke for some seconds
It is crazy... I bet I avoided some lung cancer and still crave for tabaco
To stop you need to get scared I guess and hope it is not too late
I need to try and quit again. This shit is getting so old. Usually drink 4 pints of strong beer and 2 shooters of liquor a night and then a bottle of vodka or a 12 pack of strong beer over the weekend. I know I won’t have withdrawals beyond some sleeplessness and night swears but goddamn I love how it feels. It’s totally ruined my life. I went from party animal/pulling chicks at 19 to sitting in my apartment drinking every night alone at 33.
the start is the hard part, once you start to feel the good effect, it becomes easier and easier. Know that there are a lot of people here that want YOU to make it. i'm countig on you, gayhgot.
>ive been drinking more since the covid hoax and it's definitely hurt my socializing and mood.
Me too. Started drinking loads during the lockdowns and it was fun for a while but now it's just a habit. I wake up tired and sad all the time.
>become a paramedic >get to deal with alcoholics regularly, especially once they enter the death spiral post 40
killed all desire to drink tbh, I have a beer maybe once a month at social events now
don't even touch liquor anymore
It's not so much that they die then, but life starts to collapse for them. Health issues pile up, social affairs become tied in, at that point they're physically dependent on alcohol and withdraw for that shit is bad, usually needs to be done under medical supervision.
40 is basically when they start the transition towards become homeless
seeing this reminds me of few years back >work manual labor >one of our newer guys is a middle aged alcoholic >we all would eat dinner together out somewhere or cooked at boss's house after a long day >alcoholic guy would always skip out on the meals and drink instead after working all day and eating nothing >one day he started complaining of having a stomach ache >uhhh eat something man or go to the doctor >further into the day's work he frickin falls over and dies later that day of cirrhosis
rip but how do people let it get that bad
>both are dead
'bout to say, if that's a healthy liver, why's it out on a table?
"NOOOOO YOU CAN'T CRITICIZE MY UNHEALTHY LIFESTYLE I MUST CONTINUE BEING A DOPAMINE ADDICTED SLAVE"
I love dbol too much
Haha Beer make Liver go Poopy
I did. Best thing that I ever did.
Same. Christ is King; Glory to God
Bottom one looks crispy and delicious, top one looks raw and undercooked.
Yeah, but you don’t want to cook your own liver until after you’re dead. Otherwise, you die sooner and are in pain. That’s the secret about livers that doctors don’t tell you.
Sober for a year and I see zero reason to ever start again
how'd you quit
Woke up with another raging headache massive feelings of guilt again, decided to flush all my alcohol down the toilet and to never buy any again.
I would be lying when I say it was easy, but that's really all I did
I did not quit, I just dont consume it anymore.
If there is a good reason to drink I will drink, but apart from buying a bottle of soju and mixing it with beer because of kdramas I havent had a single glass in 2 years.
After a certain age and social status drinking isn't the only option for social interaction
Who the frick cares then why did you respond?
>I never had a problem with alcohol
>therefore, I never had a problem with alcohol
>Guys I don't really drink anymore
>Also I've never been an alcoholic
Go frick yourself
Not the guy you asked but I personally quit after the amount of booze I was drinking started causing me intense depression during recovery periods and intense social anxiety / panic attacks, when my brain's serotonin / dopamine would be out of whack
After an extreme binge, I'd need about 9-10 days for my brain to regenerate and to be able to be productive / go out again (Ironically, when I felt good again, i'd get smashed again, ad infinitum)
So I decided to quit. I wish I could keep drinking, but for some reason, my neuro transmitters got completely burnt out. I miss being 19 and being able to get destroyed and feel fine in a day
Had the same happen, I'd just get more and more depressed after each night out/party, if there was something else that would bother me then the hangover turned it into a "kms"-level issue.
Fricking disgusting poison.
Yeah
My last ultra binge, I reached suicidal level depression for about 9 days. That's when I realized it's either quit now or destroy my fricking life
Keep in mind this was the result of being a weekend warrior, something people think is absolutely normal and won't damage your brain
Well if you do it for like 10 years....
Honestly, I'm near the same point. My brother is an alcoholic too. I dont drink nearly as much as I used to but I still binge once and a while and it sucks after. Problem is I lvery drinking
I'm 21 (
here), I think it might also be very much person dependent. Some people can drink a ton their whole lives without developing mental hangovers like this. I used to get drunk pretty much every Friday back in the first 2.5 years of high school, I don't really remember any actual hangovers from that time, except near the end where I remember thinking to myself "this is horrible, I don't get anything out of this I want to stop" as I was going home from a party drunk.
Then I took acid once and ever since then something always just felt wrong or off after drinking during the hangovers, and the feeling kept on getting more and more sinister and intense. Anyway I'm thankful to have had the option to realize how horrible of a drug it is, just sucks that it's nigh impossible to find evening social activities to partake in that aren't just everyone drinking (at least in uni as far as I'm aware).
I mean it's fun, I'm not coping that it's not great - some of the best and most memorable parties of my life have been on booze, however it poisons your entire body so much that it's just not sustainable unless you're prepared to wrestle with the worsening side effects
Not to mention if you're genetically prone to alcoholism (like me) where alcohol makes you feel euphoric and acts like a stimulant.... Basically creeps up to you where you end up getting sloshed on every single business dinner (and they happen often once you're a bit older)
The gripe i always had with booze is how socially acceptable it is to be an alcoholic, as a matter of fact in some business circles it's expected for some reason
>be alcoholic
>drink a bottle of whiskey every 2-3 days for years
>meet girl, she doesn't ask me to quit
>asks me to switch to beer though
>fair enough
>still alcoholic
>now drink about a case a week when i work, 10-15 on days off.
>couple years pass
>married now, have lazy af brother in law
>brother in law is reddit personified, lazy dudeweed with no skills who cant keep a job
>tries to date stupid 18yr olds at the fast food places he works at. Hes 35
>lives with his mother, makes her pay bills
>refuses all good advice and drinks all day
>have to help her with money and shit bc rona and lazy frick (shes a nice lady i dont mind)
>can b***h that he's lazy, but know that i also have a drinking problem
>he quits job again, has fat girlfriend move in to buy him beer and help his mom with bills while he plays playstation all day
>cousin comes to visit, get drunker then normal. Wake up puking for the first time in years.
>have to drive an hour to visit her family. He's drunk at noon
>have my own problems, keep it cool.
>see him sneak my 16yr old neice a drink of his beer when he thinks nobody is looking.
>stare him down till he gets uncomfortable and goes to his room.
>has his ugly girlfriend come with him
>go to kitchen, write Naltrexone on grocery whiteboard.
>let everyone know he was trying to be "cool uncle" and to watch them more.
>mother in law thinks prescription for his girlfriend
>girlfriend and him look it up, get angry and start accussing each other
>she moves out 2 days later
>free ride gone, homosexual has to actually get a job again. Cant spend all day drinking.
>so disgusted feeling like him i quit cold turkey
Hate that homosexual. Haven't had a drink in 7 months now. It literally disgusts me. I refuse to be anything like him.
>see him sneak my 16yr old neice a drink of his beer when he thinks nobody is looking.
That's someone asking to get their teeth removed with a fist in my book
Its literally normal, the only thing is that it's done by an alcoholic loser. I got a sip of raki at that age and i was practically a teetotaler until 28
It's the nobody looking part that's not normal. Also don't assume our grandmas giving us rakia as kids is seen as normal outside of Eastern Europe.
Ah yeah
And it was my grandpa on vacation, I'm swedish
its pretty normal at 16 if the person isn't a complete degenerate
Following are examples of things that happen before 18:
>at a family wedding
>aunts, uncles, cousins, grandfather sliding me drinks
>working on car with dad outside
>dad cracks us beers
>mulch the landscaping for one of our town's police officers
>how would you like and anon #2 like a beer?
Maybe in the US lol thats completely legal or if not that very normal almost anywhere else. Here in Ireland 17 is probably late to start drinking
>raping your niece is normal in Ireland
Prots out! Muslims in!
Totally normal you fricking sperg, him being an alcoholic aside
You have the writing skills of a mongrel, holy frick was that painful to read
>drink a bottle of whiskey every 2-3 days for years
>alcoholic
That's lightweight, boy. In my peak I was drinking a handle every two days, minimum. I started the morning with a pint of whiskey and did shots throughout the day. Did this for five years. One morning I just woke up and decided I don't want to drink anymore. Now I might drink a glass of bourbon on a holiday or something.
>drink a bottle of whiskey every 2-3 days for years
>alcoholic
you're delusional. it's literally nothing
Not sure how people become alcoholic.
How do you regularly drink to the point of becoming addicted? lol
Either you constantly have a bottle in your hand wherever you are, or you are a loser at home/at the bar all day doing nothing but drinking
It's not like cigarettes which you can whip out at any moment and it's socially acceptable to consume them everywhere
For me it was when my girlfriend left me. I drank a whole bottle the same night she left, and after that I just continued drinking. I work from home and kept it down during the busy hours in the morning when there was a chance of getting a call or having a meeting, and even then I went sloshed to some meetings.
My routine the first month and a half was dream about her, wake up, remember that she is gone, make a coffee and mix it with cinnamon, caramel and liquour, take a shower, drink a shot, connect and make another coffee like that every few hours. At lunch have a glass of whiskey or three with some dried meat and hard cheese, then another special coffee. After work I would watch movies or do anything to distract myself while refilling a never ending glass of whiskey until I either passed out, finished the bottle or friends came bringing beer.
Rinse and repeat.
I drank so much that even tho I only ate like 400-600 cal of food a day I still gained a few kg.
The scariest part is that after some time I wasn't even so sad at first when I woke up but I obsessively thought about her only to "see if I was sad or not" which translated to alcoholic language was finding a reason to drink at 7am.
Luckily I have a family history of alcoholism so I am aware of the dangers and managed to break the habit, but I could see how it could have gotten MUCH worse. After two weeks of this I was already driving around town to go buy more booze and did not care about the consequences, and besides that time I have always had the "not a single drop when driving" rule. It's so insidious that you don't even notice how much your character changes until it's too late.
Also I have to add that even thinking about all this makes me itch for a nice glass of Laphroaig but I am on a cut right now and I know that I won't stop at a single glass and I will definitelh obliterate the fridge afterwards.
it's the numbness, I was seeking it ,it's just a form of escapism
Not that anon but I drank for twenty years, mostly beer, until I started puking up blood and having stomach problems - GERD, basically. Went to the doctor and got on benzodiazepines because I was a severe alcoholic. Took benzos for 4 months then quit and switched to Kratom. Been on kratom for over a year. I also drink non alcoholic beer. It’s not ideal but it’s a hell of a lot better than where i was. Been 20 months
Also, yes I lift. Have normal BMI, deadlift 1.7x my weight, almost 40 years old. I know that’s not impressive but it’s more important for me to stay lean and keep my muscle tone. I am going to target my diet and recomp over the coming years. Will never drink again.
drank heavy for about 15 years, had some health problems so cut back, noticed I felt better so started working out, sleep and mood improved, energy levels improved, extra cash, become motivated to go out and try new hobbies, realized booze was a crutch so just stopped, basically just study/draw/go to church/spend time with family now. nothing wrong with drinking if you can do it in moderation but that isn't me.
Pretty much
Kinda crazy how being young forgives your neurotransmitter effect the next day, I don't remember having emotional issues ever. Now If I get drunk, it activates HEAVY depression. My last time drinking induced such a serotonin shortage, it was actually fricking suicidal nightmare mode. That was my cue to stop, the magic is completely gone
I thought it's just being young, but I actually think it's brain damage from years of drinking
I think it just takes years of drinking 0 booze for your neuro transmitters to heal after you frick them for a decade
>Have IQ higher than 70
>Have self control
>Instead of letting alcohol ruin my life or completely abstaining from it, I just drink responsibly instead
whoa that was so difficult bros oh my god
>I'm sober but I still drink
Is this moronation? Trolling? Maybe a translation error?
I have an IQ of 65 and no self control though.
>Instead of letting alcohol ruin my life or completely abstaining from it, I just drink responsibly instead
Kek i remember thinking this at the beginning of college15 years ago. Let me know how you end up kiddo
Literally how 95% of the population functions, you’re a subhuman without self control
>wanting to be like 95% of the population
you said it yourself lmao
i drink maybe 2 beers a week and have no idea how people struggle to control their consumption of this shit
i enjoy a cold beer after a 45-60 minute cardio session, and fit the calories into my TDEE
>dude you're ruining your cardio by drinking 120 calories of beer dude
nah
i have noticed zero negative side effects from my current alcohol consumption habits
do these people lack discipline? true moderation and self control really isn't that hard
Nice going. I got some relatively good news from the doctor (Low iron, fixable) and been tempted to drink again. I just told myself I want to try to go six months without and hope I can drink relatively normally afterwards.
>wasting your liver
So few people appreciate the whole suite of things the liver does and just thinks yeah lol alcohol.
>Alcohol bad
Lol no:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7377878/
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2451847621000038
https://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/299/2/638.long
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22234172/
https://academic.oup.com/jn/article/134/4/904/4757155
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2646971/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25239591/
It was SNEED oils all along.
I'm too low IQ to read through anything else than the conclusion, but why isn't this more talked about
Just guessing here:
It would shift the blame away from alcohol to the true perpetrator being obesity, heart disease, fatty liver, Alzheimer's, etc - Linoleic acid. And we can't have people being slim and healthy while eating sugar and drinking booze, now can we?
Frick this gay earth.
>one thing bad therefore other thing good
Alcohol was goyslurp even before the distinction between israelite and gentile were a thing.
>eat nothing but meat and rum
I… I think I’m gonna be alright
Alcohol IS extremely cancerigen, they don't talk about it because alcohol is a magnitude more $$$ than tobacco, but it's true.
This is some severe copium. They’ve been laying down the hammer on smoking for over 60 years now, and at the time of the hammering (50s) it was more common than hating commies, which literally everyone did.
Dunno about the 50's, but currently alcohol industry hedges out tobacco by a large margin. This is without all the associated business like bars and shit
it IS also fricking damaging, this is entirely subjective, but i work as a MRI tech, and every single time i see ''cirrhosis'' on the sheet i KNOW it's gonna be a fricking horror show.
I'm not allowed, but i sincerely wish i could show you the images from a woman i did 3 weeks ago. Massive frickign liver, tumors everywhere including a frickign MASSIVE 9.2/8.6/8.2 centimeter one, almost enveloppig the pancreas with a conection to the wirsung canal. Girl was 27, and probably won't get to 30
>I have measured acute inflammatory biomarkers like CRP and TNFa 2 hours after a PUFA rich meal. The rise is uncomparable to anything else I have consumed, including alcohol. Some people will say alcohol suppresses inflammation but that's only for the first 24 hours. After that it bounces back with a vengeance. So, based on my N=1 tests PUFA is way more inflammatory than alcohol, which is also a TLR4 agonist so it is nothing to laugh at.
>Heavy drinking inhibits cellular respiration and sets up an inflammatory process, involving iron, which will still be harmful, but less so than in the presence of PUFA. If absolutely none of the dietary PUFA were in the body, no one really knows what that metabolic stress would do, maybe nothing cumulative. -Ray Peat
Now posts the ones that say eating poop is healthy
it's such a bizarre phenomenon, people can find a way to construct a post claiming that nearly anything is healthy, even if it involves eating poop or sticking light bulbs up your ass
So that's why my alcoholic friend doesn't keel over, he always eats a ton of meat with his booze
>Lol no
>gives you a hangover
>dehydrates you
>can kill you if you are a moron
Continue believing Satan's lies, anon.
There's a reason Muslims, Christians & israelites are still a thing, whereas Romans, Greeks & Babylonians are only in history books.
>comparing religions to civilizations
You belong here
>gives you a hangover
Don't drink excessively, and drink water.
>dehydrates you
Don't drink excessively, and drink water.
>can kill you if you are a moron
Morons that could kill themselves from drinking will find other ways to do it.
>Muslims, Christians & israelites
Muslims are the only one out of the three that actually prohibit alcohol.
yea this is great news! rats can be alcoholic..i wonder about humans though
if you dont drink at all youre literally wasting your liver. drink in moderation
I was given a priceless organ and I'm going to maximize(100%) its use.
>stop projecting alcoholic
>drinking is a part of european culture
>an occasional drink does nothing
>it helps with socializing autist
>red wine is actually good for your heart
>scotch whisky actually prevents diabetes
>stop complaining and go out
>amerimutts are bad but europe has a great drinking tradition for gatherings
>european genes evolved in cold climates where constant action was detrimental. hence alcohol helped us become docile in winter.
>...
>...
>used to party hard
>had a lot of fun while I was young
>became alcoholic in mid-20s
>would drink every day
>would black out all the time and piss on random shit and act like moron
>eventually grew up and stopped drinking like that
>I still drink when I feel like it, maybe a couple times a month, never in excess
I just had to stop being a moronic kid. There's nothing wrong with alcohol if you are disciplined enough to not drink to excess.
>get piss drunk
>get hangover
>hangover passes
>have brainfog for a week
BUT
>also have SHITLOADS of energy, positive emotion and even better blood circulation (i usually get cold as frick after work)
I felt almost like I used to feel, when life was fun and deep. I saw a tree on my daily commute and in that state it was as beautiful as a painting. I NEED to achieve this fricking state again, and preferably not through a hangover.
>actually wanting to be alive
Plenty of better ways to off yourself
why haven't you an heroed yet then homosexual
it's pretty scary m8
Friendo who helped me achieve ISTness, drank till the ripe age of 25. Picrel 362 days ago.
>drinking yourself to death at 25
damn must have drank daily for months
lol months? I drank 12 - 15 shots everyday for 3 years and i'm alive.
the pro move here is to stop drinking like that while you are in the alive state
yeah ive drastically cut down this month. Only drinking a few days in Nov.
Amazing almost no withdrawls whatsoever going cold turkey.
Giwtwm
Frick I wish I got off so easy
yea I currently am still sitting at 10+ shots a day. I know I need to stop. cold turkey would be the easiest for me because once I have one drink its very hard to stop myself from having more.
I rarely get drunk, I keep a nice soft buzz going all day and then get tipsy at night.
I'm worried about getting fricked by withdrawal by going cold turkey. Any anons here have success with the weening method?
That's bad but it isn't terrible.
First drink 10 for a day then drink 2 fewer every day and you should be almost normal when you get down to 2. I'd keep it at 1/2 for a couple days after that then quit and only drink if you have any withdrawal symptoms.
I was drinking way too much for too long because of the DT fear.
>drink every day
>lift every day
>take acetaminophen etc every day to help with hangovers and soreness recovery
>died.
Yeah, it was totally the booze. Even functioning alcoholics make it to 40+. . .
>drinks 12+ beers a day
>makes it to 57
>Incoming harm reduction tip:
It's a horrible idea to take acetaminophen/tylenol during/after drinking as it's also very taxing on the liver.
If you need something for headaches/hangover, go with ibuprofen/advil since that functions more through the kidney as opposed to liver
Aspirin is even better afaik, it's even more broad spectrum than ibuprofen since it acts further up the inflammation chain. Stomach bleeding is a meme, especially if you take it with baking soda (DIY or Alka Seltzer).
He died of suddenly, fren, not alcohol.
imagine wearing white sneakers to a funeral
My dad's friend was an alkie. Died when he was 23, choked on vomit when he passed out
I did 2 years ago, now what.
Drinking alcohol doesn't cause cirrhosis getting drunk does
>you need to be a crippling alcoholic or a pearl clutching teetotaler
>nihilistic morons think the only way to have "fun" is destroying your body
Basé
There are literally ZERO upsides to drinking alcohol. It's moron juice that temporarily turns you into a moron, then you piss it away just like you piss away money and your health.
Bottom one looks as-if it was dunked in boiling SNEED oils. Hmmm...
Ok i will just continue taking Amphetamine then
Do not forget to donate your liver to a foie-gras maker before you quit. Don't worry it grows back.
people abuse alcohol to cope
>just stop drinking
is not going to work if you're COPING
STOP COPING FIRST
and then you will find drinking in moderation easy
>I'm not coping and i'm an alcoholic
Yes you are coping, but you have to workout why you're coping
So once I work out why I'm coping what then? Isn't it better to cope than just seethe and not have a coping strategy
Not him, but you must also stop pitying yourself and avoid having the victim mentality.
Just take full responsibility, start hating yourself instead and use the hate as a fuel to transform your life. It's that easy.
I do hate myself and I'm trying to fix things but some things I cope about can't be fixed or won't be fixed any time soon. I hate myself a whole lot actually
>but some things I cope about can't be fixed or won't be fixed any time soon
We all have those. Don't want to overshare but I've seen some shit. I don't think I had it worse than everyone else but I also won't belittle it comparing myself to the starving kids in Africa or whatever. Just saying.
The important idea is that nothing lasts forever. That makes it easier to handle all misfortunes and hardships. You just gotta make it through. God will give you strength and you'll use it or die. And considering you'll die anyway, might as well be strong and go out with some dignity.
thanks bro
>Healthy liver
>Not in their body
Dickhead
Used to drink a handle every two-three days. Sober for 4 years
pussy. I used to drink isopropyl alcohol. it killed all my gut bacteria and my farts stopped smelling
how long did you remain alive after that?
Goddamn this pic takes me back
King’s honor, friend.
i kneel
how different is isopropanol from ethanol?
tastes pretty bad unsuprisingly
my sweat, piss, shit and farts smelled like nothing else i have ever smelled on this planet
like a sickly sweet smell of all your gut flora dying
heres trinity from trailer park boys
drank the ole iso a few times.
it ain't that bad.
Once a week I'll go out for a pint or two with the team and hit on the bartenders, you can't stop me
What does "responsible" alcohol consumption even mean? Don't you damage your liver, brain and heart every single time you ingest alcohol?
Copium for drunkies
I mean your body is capable of recovery especially if you're young
Why americ**ts can't drink like normal people?
Either thei are shitface drunk or "sober for 2 years".
Just drink while eating a nice meal or full stomach and drink lots of water betweet the glasses.
no
you should look at your kidneys after drinking 10l of water every day for a month, if you still live
Its too late for me. I already fricked up my liver.
I dont even know the damage, but for its there because my liver gives me discomfort when I eat certain foods, especially sweets.
I quit 2 years ago, quit smoking too its still a problem.
Its over for me.
did you get an abdomen ultrasound to see what the damage is?
are you overweight, because that is also a major factor in liver damage?
it's not too late anon, no drinks for 2 years is good, are you working out?
Unless your liver is cirrhotic then it's not too late, and I'd wager you'd be losing weight like crazy and looking sicklier by the day if it were.
It takes A LOT of alcohol to completely kill your liver.
As long as the liver has 25% working liver remaining it can rebuild itself. One of (only?) human organ that can do that.
So it's probably not cirrhosis. Go get it checked out in any case.
Never started.
Please do. I did 5 years ago and that's been the best deiciso i ever took.
Went from a mean drunk early in school/college to just a social drinker to 0 alcohol. Savign a shitload of money, brain fog gone and so much more energy.
The only drink i allow is a toast at wedding and for christmas with the family, everything else, i'm good.
>started college 1.5 years ago
>friends drink themselves silly every weekend, friday and saturday, occassionally a "thirsty thursday"
>people will only hang out if you have something to drink or some other substance
>have friends that I've literally never seen sober
it hurts just a little bit
>tfw I'm the guy some people have never seen sober
one part of me goes haha based, another part cringes at what I'm doing to some extent. It's like I'm not comfortable in my own skin and drinking helps, I guess.
I was that friend during highschool. Would get blackout drunk at every opportunity. If there was no party on the weekend I would get shitfaced at home and add some kpins to the mix. Eventually got to the point where I would do some shots in the morning to calm the nerves.
I cut down on drinking significantly tho and life is a hundred times better.
Got into collage and my roommates are those people and holy shit those people are annoying, I cringe from the fact that I was once like this
That’s on you, I’m in uni right now with id say 10 people I regularly see. All of them can be drinking/party mates and all of them can be a chill night of pizza (I don’t eat pizza tho) and card/board games.
I'm in my final semester in college. I remember drinking whenever I possibly could the first couple of semesters because GOOD parties happened relatively rarely, so it was kind of a "go nuts while you can" situation that was pretty innocuous.
When I turned 21, however, it got more difficult, because everyone could go to the bars. This means that you can have something to do basically every single night, which I took full advantage of. It got to the point where I was drinking to do something up to 4-5 days a week (can't miss Thursday, Friday, or Saturdays of course!)
It's a difficult situation. Now I have a dependence on alcohol for any sort of social stimulation. It's gotten to the point where I regular a bar so often every bartender knows my name, and I eat there and spend the day there.
The bright side is that its getting very old. All the girls in my grade either have boyfriends or me or some friend have run through them, so now its a lot of dead ends. I'm getting too old to hit on late juniors, etc.
So I'm starting to become more at peace with staying in or keeping it light for the night. I cannot wait until I graduate and can just focus on my career, fitness, eating correctly, etc.
>I'm getting too old to hit on late juniors, etc.
you can do whatever you want buddy, you're all still babies. I am 39, I am too old to hit on late juniors. develop a sense of perspective
also, running through literally all of the girls so there are no more girls, what a fricking problem to have
youth is wasted on the young
Thank you friend,
based on the way I've acted in my time here, I can at least be satisfied knowing that I left it all on the field
>I left it all on the field
it's only the first quarter. stop drinking so you can play through the end of the game
>running through literally all of the girls so there are no more girls, what a fricking problem to have
top kek
wtf, people at my school were turned into functioning alcoholics and chain smokers because the place made them all suicidal
Look up the metabolic pathway of fructose
I quite alchoholism. I have one now and then. Alchohol helped me forget that I expected to be bullied in any interaction I engaged in. Maturing, and time, helped me learn to ignore that anxiety, and then later use it as an indicator rather than have it use me. As a result, the alchohol isn't needed anymore. Drinking is still a fun thing to do, but there are much funner activities and imbiberies (sp?) which are much healthier and far less destructive.
I have so much more energy and im late 30s, than i ever had from ... 18-34 (that's the demo, yeah?).
So I have this going for me, which is nice. Liver probably looks like an overdone steak at this point though. Really optimistic about genetic medicine helping turn back the clock on that, sooner or later. Even considering switching engineering to bio because i have a mild sense of urgency about it.
I digress. For those who want to quit or cutback, i believe in you. I've managed it. If i can, you can. I'm a fricking emotional moron, full disclosure. If you don't think you can do it then suck it up and think more highly of yourself.
I feel you
Glad to hear you stopped, I couldn't go out without drinking, it was a game changer for social interaction. But if I could do it with alcohol, I should do it without it, still struggling with anxiety but doing better
Wish luck to all quitter
I don't drink heavily almost ever but I have a liver condition and I am afraid of drinking at all because of it.
I like sampling the care and craftsmanship that goes into craft beers and fine wine, thats really the only reason I drink.
>mfw its another Americans cant handle alcohol episode
When you say "cant handle their alcohol" do you mean they can't drink responsibly or that they're not resistant to the effects of it due to not being an alcoholic.
More that they are either completely off the wagon or are terrified to have a sip of the stuff, ive got extended family over there and nobody in the family is allowed to drink alcohol when certain members are present as it triggers them
That’s funny.
In America I was always told that you don’t have a drinking problem unless you make it a problem.
We’ve absconded with our responsibilities and now require something else to control our habits.
Americans have a lot less fun shit than you to do at home.
When you live in the middle of the country and the only thing to do is watch tv or drive a four wheeler or whatever the frick because you live in buttfrick nowhere midwest state and your town pop is 1000, you can bet a lot of people turn to drinking for fun.
Imagine its the weekend, you're a factory worker and its mid winter and you're looking for something fun to do, you step outside and theres nothing but empty fields for a couple miles, to get anywhere you have to drive of course and its all cold and depressing so you drive to your buddies house where you and your friends just get shitfaced around a bonfire or you go to some shitty bar and have some had pour you drinks all night. At least you aren't into heroin like your buddie's older brother tho.
Meanwhile you live in euro and you can go walk around town, get nice food at some of the restaurants, maybe stop in the beer garden for a brew or two to treat yourself. at the end of the day if you get bored you can just walk around and see people you know or like oh im bored this weekend lets go skiing or lets go to other country x and visit cool castle y etc etc
Its probably the same reason why so many russians have shitty lifestyles. theres just jack shit to do
Read, watch old movies, lift weights everyday, and study the bible
Spend time with family/wife/gf/kids doing fun stuff if you have them
I quit except a sixpack of tall ones on saturday. It's 14 units which is the recommended limit, but hopefully my tolerance goes down soon so I can do with 5 again. Anyone know how fast tolerance dissipates?
>Regularly do like 300-600ml of vodka (no scent) a day
>Quit for like a week
>My workplace's "team" hosts a party
>Im still literally the mvp thats intentionally failing my turn at drinking games and pouring myself triple shots while everybody else is dropping like flies
Probably a long time
I used to drink around 2 bottles a week + some beer and wine
I haven't been *really* shitfaced in like 4 months and can still finish a bottle of vodka in one evening with ease while my frinds pass out on the floor
I guess the tolerance stays for more than a year
I’ll quit when she comes back
I'm sure your pining for her and drinking will manifest her.
Also curious
Ya god damn right it will
>Start a new job
>This girl is one my colleagues
>As with i do with everybody, I ask her a few questions and it turns out she's more interesting than a lot of my other colleagues
>A few times she jokingly asks me for a date or marriage
>Don't really think about it that much, ofc I'd just laugh off any suggestive joke she would make
>Eventually my buddy mentions her and him going to like a restaurant together a few times
>Im not comfortable with sharing the specifics of why exactly, but some time later after this she shows me how much of angel she is
>Aaaaand shes most likely dating one of the dudes im really close with
Lmao lol even i blame fit for making me obsessed with lookism bullshit because yeah, she's not a 10 but I already considered her interesting at first and I should've gotten to know her better instead of thinking that her nostrils are slightly too visible from below and thinking I shouldn't waste my time making any advances or accepting any of her advances
Frick you, fit
your fault. a lot of girls need to be in relationships 100% of the time and you passed her up.
Goodluck doing that when you aren't aware that you are embracing the pointy elbows meme
Yeah, the internets led me to make some stupid decisions with women too. Shit sucks man
I drank an entire bottle of jager, fireball and cheapo vodka over the last 4 days
Oof, been there too many times before man. You sober now or still going?
I'm planning on going sober this week and then maybe dipping into something on Saturday; I don't want to get loaded before I drive home for Thanksgiving. The last 5 years or so have been characterized by me going through a bottle every Saturday but since I got my own place I've been drinking a little extra.
Yeah, take a break, I know holidays can be hard
You'd have to talk to a doctor, main thing I'm aware of is doing a blood test for liver enzymes. That'll be a starting point anyway, if those are high or your doctor has reason to go further, a liver ultrasound
We all know that beer is basically liquid bread.
However, is drinking straight vodka better if you don't want to become a total fatty?
I think vodka is the healthiest alcohol buts it’s still extremely unhealthy, like all alcohol.
It still has calories and anything your stomach processes while you drink vodka will be stored as fat.
Vodka is potatoes which is no different than bread
Can I get my liver tested? I live in rural America and I worry about the set things.
WalkinLabs.com
Buy a liver panel for like $40
But is it worth staying sober? My mind says yes but my heart says no.
Way ahead of you champ
>be me
>20 years old at cousin's wedding
>spend all night sipping out of used wine glasses like Spaulding in Caddyshack
I want to see sugar cirrhosis liver
They look exactly the same
I would imagine so but i wanna see
Haven’t drank since July 1, 2021. I was an addict and alcoholic for like a decade. Everything is so much better. I’m fit, making great money and the attention I get is insane. Me and this girl from work went to get dinner after work Saturday and I almost caved and got a drink. We talked for about 3 hours and idk she didn’t push it and stuff. We kinda talked about me possibly having one at some point and not drinking alone. Only with her basically. Idk I literally would wake up with the bottle next to me. I went to a meeting tonight and it didn’t help. I just want to get it over with so we can both get this thing going. We have such a vibe but idk what to do bros. She has a bf but it’s new and we just kinda met in the last three months since I started a new job. I’ve never met anyone that I vibe with like her. Idk what to do though. I just wanna get this relapse over with.
Nah I’d rather pull up to the bar with the bros, get smashed and go home with a b***h homieaaaaaa
I like having a few drinks on Friday nights, sometimes Saturday nights.
I’ve always had trouble being social and fun to be around but alcohol makes me the person I want to be. I don’t think too much, I feel happy, I can talk to girls, and a bunch of other benefits.
The next day I don’t feel too bad because I drank water and didn’t go overboard with the alcohol.
Is this really that bad for me? I exercise hard, work, and study during the week but on the weekends I like to drink at night.
>The next day I don’t feel too bad because I drank water
this is so true but so many people think drinking water whilst getting fricked up sobers you up when in fact all it does is keep you hydrated, homies need to look it up
Everything I read says that water doesn’t sober you up, but damn it really feels like it does. I try to drink 1 16 oz water bottle per 2 drinks then drink as much water as possible before I sleep.
Done. Now how do I quit imageboards?
you're here forever
but yeah thank god I never have to urge to drink alcohol at home
These threads naturally attract teetotalers with alcohol/addiction problems who project onto society that alcohol should never be consumed, simply because they themselves have had traumatic experiences.
>writes a bunch of shit to try to convince himself he's not an alcoholic
Every thread.
We don't care bro, it's your life not mine.
same thread for xanax cocaine, its incredible how much they lie to themselves and people around them
Just drank a beer to build resistance. Cant let my liver be in DYED mode
Based liver. He did his job well
this gif makes me extremely nostalgic for the pre-2009 internet era
Hey pss morons.
Liver can regnerate.
Have a good one.
You have to stop drinking for a full year before that starts
Depends on the damage, but roughly half a year seems to lead to a full regeneration.
i drink a bottle of bourbon erry saturday and shit talk people on socials, i also for some reason get tons of nudes from girls i know including people i work with, i dont really remember talking to any of them i just like to be drunk and play garen on league
I only drink in birthday parties or special ocassions. What are you gonna do homosexual.
Is drinking 4 european-sized beer once a week okay?
it's within the recommended limits of 14 alcohol units a week for male
>be me
>alcoholic
>drink vodka from the time I wake up till I sleep
>do this because it numbs pain and makes me feel good
>doctor recommends free CBT course
>sure why the frick not
>do CBT course
>start doing the CBT exercises
>for the first time in my life, pay attention to emotions and body
>start to notice my own feelings and bodily sensations instead of resolutely ignoring them because I was taught doing otherwise is 'weakness'
>start to notice 'holy shit i feel like garbage after i drink'
>try one of the CBT challenges, which is to not use a substance and then see how you feel as an experiment
>huh i kinda like not feeling hungover
>huh i have the energy to go for walks
>huh the CBT exercises help me deal with my depression and self-hatred and i can comfort myself instead of getting drunk to numb out feelings
>start 'experimenting' by being sober 2-3 nights a week
>wow it feels great to wake up sober
>expand experiment nights to 4-5 days a week
>energy expands, body feels better
>over the course of 6 months gradually stop drinking altogether
>now 18 months sober with zero desire to ever drink again
>without the steady stream of depressants in my system my depression eased
>felt motivated to go to therapy and hit the gym
>gf loves the new me
>i love the new me
>happy to be sober
>never once stepped foot in a moronic AA meeting/group
feels good man
>CBT course
wiener and Ball Torture?
close
cognitive behavioural therapy
what was the course? intrigued
Something to do with behavioral therapy.
well done bro i mean it
>doctor recommends free CBT course
what the frick is CBT? wiener&ball torture?
cognitive behavioral therapy
Fricking happy for you man, thats great
I get drunk once every few months. I thank the lord for not making me an alcoholic bum like you slobs in here. I honestly cannot imagine getting piss-drunk every single day, you people are fricking insane
not all alcoholics get smashed drunk every day.
there are high-functioning alcs out there, including myself. not proud of it tho
I enjoy being able to have a few drinks and get a nice buzz going 1-2 times a month.
Trying to quit lads, found out drinking fricks with my depression. It wasn't always like this.
just stop, you wont even think about it after the first few weeks. All your problems are still there in the morning.
I'm 30 and have drank every single day for past 2 years or so.
4 days per week: 12 units
3 days per week: 20 units (weekends)
I don't get hangovers and it has no impact to my job or life. I dirnk high quality vodka, beer and wine.
The only thing is, I'm genuinely not sure if this is considered a dangerous level of drinking or not? I'm otherwise in good shape and I eat good meals and maintain a calorie target of 2-2.5k per day.
I really don't want to be developing a scarred liver though.... I realise the 'recommended' limit is 14 units per week but I've always thought that figure was a bit ridiculous for most people, expecially healthy males.
I haven't noticed any adverse affects after 4 years, aside from my blood pressure going up. I'm 2 weeks sober, and now my BP is back to normal.
Interdasting.
they dont give liver transplants to alkies either so youll be fricked. Stop treating your body like a playground and act like its something you have to live in for decades.
But I literally get a panel test done every year, and my liver enzymes are all fine.
that doesn't necessarily mean anything: did you get an abdominal ultrasound to confirm the liver is fine?
No I did not. Gonna do that next year. Hope I ain't fricked, lads. I doubt it, though. I have no symptoms of fatty liver, and I down milk thistle daily.
Thanks, bros.
praying for you lad, hope all is and stays well, but it's always worth it to check and make sure
enzyme can lag a bit, you want an ultrasound, and if they find something worth investigating they'll set you up for an mri
That's terrible and no matter how healthy you feel it's goign to lead to cirrhosis and all kinds of nasty shit. At least add milk thistle supplement to reduce some of the liver damage (according to what I read).
Yes i was planning on buying some milk thistle supplements too. I also heard it helps, although the scientific evidence is not conculsive.
I only really drink to get a buzz. I don't enjoy being dizzy drunk. I just drink to relax and then i go to sleep. Cutting back is useless therefore. So i either abstain completely or continue as i am.
This is an extremely dangerous amount of drinking
real talk alchies what color/consistency is your poo?
Orange and gooey here. Almost like mucus.
Probably an inflamed liver.
I'm fricking done bros. Still worried about what permanent damage I did to myself because kidneys don't regenerate like the liver does, not to mention the drain bamage
Just get blood tests
I take steroids as well as being an alcoholic so I get blood tests twice a year
So far no unusual damage to my organs, I guess I'm a strong boy
I gained 150 pounds in 2 years mostly from drinking beer. Glad I quit and got IST
ez pz but I can't stop eating.
>addicted to alcohol, pot, and cigs
>get addicted to cocaine
>slowly give up other addictions to feed coke habit
>run out of money
>give up coke due to be broke
>now addiction free
It's literally that easy
Discovered ez method to quit nicotine 5 years ago
Quit alcohol, sugar, excess carbs 2 weeks ago
It doesn't even feel like a sacrifice, I've been drinking for a decade and last few years I've been wondering if I drink just out of habit, it doesn't give me much any more and I feel worse the day after as I grow older.
frick me bottom low delicious
I consume nothing but meat, eggs and salad, and drink twice a week. I'll be fine.
you’ll die by cardiac arrest
ketogay
why would someone doing keto eat salad?
I'm starting to think everyone that uses the term "ketogay" is just triggered by any mention of meat
>Me and my sister were both born with whatever gene that makes your tongue violently respond in pain to carbonation
>On reflex spat out my first taste of Cola when I was 5, at some school event, b***h teacher wouldn't give me water
>Fizzy candy is painful to eat
>Tried multiple types of alcohol, not found one that I've manged to have more than a sip of
I'd be bummed about missing out but growing up with my dad as a drunk put me off the idea of drinking anyway.
You should try iced tea and rum or iced tea, lemonade and vodka.
Vodka and apple juice
>You should try
frick off
I know you probably didn't mean it in a bad way but let anon enjoy being free of alcohol.
I knew a dude who could have one weekend without vodka.
I hate the hangover, so it was never a problem with me but I can see how this drinking pattern can begin.
I smoked so much, for 6 uears and after 10 months I feel my right lung hard like rubber.
Sometimes I feel as if someone splashed cold water over my right torax side.
I am a bit scared but when I go days without any of these strange sensations I found myself wishing a smoke for some seconds
It is crazy... I bet I avoided some lung cancer and still crave for tabaco
To stop you need to get scared I guess and hope it is not too late
Or be smart
Ok, smooth liver.
tobacco is the only God-approved drug
based
but cigs are gay
they're handy and manly
you can rip off the filters on blue american spirits
for me, it's marlboro red
I smoke once a month at most
it smells and tastes like piss, enough reason for me to never touch it again
I need to try and quit again. This shit is getting so old. Usually drink 4 pints of strong beer and 2 shooters of liquor a night and then a bottle of vodka or a 12 pack of strong beer over the weekend. I know I won’t have withdrawals beyond some sleeplessness and night swears but goddamn I love how it feels. It’s totally ruined my life. I went from party animal/pulling chicks at 19 to sitting in my apartment drinking every night alone at 33.
ive been drinking more since the covid hoax and it's definitely hurt my socializing and mood.
i am going to quit. was about to buy a bottle this morning and I stopped myself. now i see this thread.
the start is the hard part, once you start to feel the good effect, it becomes easier and easier. Know that there are a lot of people here that want YOU to make it. i'm countig on you, gayhgot.
>ive been drinking more since the covid hoax and it's definitely hurt my socializing and mood.
Me too. Started drinking loads during the lockdowns and it was fun for a while but now it's just a habit. I wake up tired and sad all the time.
i can see it in my face now. I didn't look like this 3 years ago.
>become a paramedic
>get to deal with alcoholics regularly, especially once they enter the death spiral post 40
killed all desire to drink tbh, I have a beer maybe once a month at social events now
don't even touch liquor anymore
What do they croak from that early? Blood pressure/heart related?
It's not so much that they die then, but life starts to collapse for them. Health issues pile up, social affairs become tied in, at that point they're physically dependent on alcohol and withdraw for that shit is bad, usually needs to be done under medical supervision.
40 is basically when they start the transition towards become homeless
I want to eat the one below
Better psychedelics than alcohol.
seeing this reminds me of few years back
>work manual labor
>one of our newer guys is a middle aged alcoholic
>we all would eat dinner together out somewhere or cooked at boss's house after a long day
>alcoholic guy would always skip out on the meals and drink instead after working all day and eating nothing
>one day he started complaining of having a stomach ache
>uhhh eat something man or go to the doctor
>further into the day's work he frickin falls over and dies later that day of cirrhosis
rip but how do people let it get that bad
Lack of caring I suppose
Hepatic diseases are also caused by overcomsumption of unbuffered carbohydrates (shit food with no fiber).
But we don't talk about that. Can't tell people to put down the twinkie. Oh, heavens, no.