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Cardio rocket fuel or deadly poison?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Caffeine is the true cardio rocket fuel
    Sugar just gives you betus and it's only used to make goy slop sloppier

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      we don't have organelles purpose-built for combusting caffeine at maximum efficiency

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        profound pseud moronation

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the base molecule that our body converts everything else into prior to combustion does absolutely nothing for you other than diabetes and taste

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >i dont understand how neurotransmitters work because i failed hs biology

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >if you stimulate your neurons energy is created.... just because it is ok?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >continues to be a smug moron
                thats your last reply

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you still haven't addressed my point you vantablack Black personhomosexual caffeine is EXCITATORY not an energy source.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sub 100 ig hands typed this. This is the same type of arguing that atheist have who think they are geniuses because they read Dawkins once but they are barely high school graduates who are not even going to com college. No one is saying caffeine creates energy. But it increased the activity in your brain and nervous system and it makes your body circulate more hormones.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Good thing I have a liver that produces this magic energy source for my muscles so I don't need to eat added sugar

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        WHAT ARE THE NICOTINERGIC RECEPTORS, DUMBFRICK

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They’re just acetylcholine receptors that happen to get activated by nicotine. They didn’t evolve to do anything with nicotine or caffeine, they just get activated by anything with similar structure to their endogenous ligand. The body specifically evolved systems to combust sugar so what’s your point

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Caffeine blocks adenosine receptors, delaying our interal sleepy time signal, that's literally it.

        Caffeine doesn't get combusted at any level of efficiency you absolute moron

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          caffeine is excitatory not an energy source

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you're actually braindead

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I gave ur mom an organelle yesterday night if you know what I mean

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Sugar just gives you betu-ACK
      https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(23)00540-0/fulltext

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the thing that spikes insulin doesn't cause diabetes
        Okay, yawn

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Literally any food spikes insulin you fricking moron.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not equally, yawn.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Post body.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yawn.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Have you tried describing what you do online every day to normal people? So let me get this straight, you hate keto so you compiled a collection of meme images and you post multiple hours a day on a dead fitness board made by the hacker known as IST in bait keto threads you create? And you've been doing this for months?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                LMFAO. Yeah keep on demonizing sugar, it's obviously working for you.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Imagine replying to yourself several times.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yawn

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >insulin causing diabetes
          2006 called wants you to know that impaired oxidative phosphorylation from unsaturated fat exposure is definitely not the cause of type ii "diabetes"

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes anon, overeating sugar causes diabetes.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous
              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >what if I pretend high fructose corn syrup isn't sugar

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Does this data actually do that? Genuinely curious

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Do you really think we consume less sugar and sugar alternatives like HFCS?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yes, objectively. more starch, more unsaturated fats, less sugar.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't know, which is why I was asking. It's a strange-looking change in the graph I would like to understand

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because it's obviously misleading anon, think about the fat people around you, you think they're eating less sugar today than they were 20 years ago? It doesn't even pass the smell test. And it's especially obvious because you're talking with a sugar contrarian, there's no one that was actually concerned about nutrition and health that would tell you that added sugar is good for you.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I see. It does seem unlikely, but I thought you or someone else familiar with the study might be able to provide more detail.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I really can't be assed to do homework for some bad faith shill on IST. If you care you can look into it but I'm sure you're smart enough to know that the claim we're eating less sugar as a society is false and the only way to make this claim is because soda uses HFCS now instead of cane sugar.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sure, maybe I can find something on it myself

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Here are my initial findings: major soda producers have been using corn syrup since the 80s, so the soda hypothesis seems dubious at a glance, unless people started replacing more of their sugar calories with soda around the year 2000

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Weird it's almost like you can see the change on the graph... it's like you just validated by assumption.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Out of curiosity I'm trying to determine when Oreo changed their formula to high fructose corn syrup, according to ChatGPT it was in the late 90s. Which curiously correlates to the decline of sugar usage...

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not quite seeing it. Here's more food for thought, so to speak. Looks like obesity has continued going up even as soda consumption has decreased? How is that possible?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not suggesting soda is the primary source of added sugar. Nor am I suggesting sugar is the sole cause of obesity. For that graph to make sense you'd need to have the data on all drink consumption, because Starbucks is an obvious replacement for many people's soda and many Starbucks drinks are notoriously high calorie. My primary contention is the guy who said we're consuming less sugar is full of shit, because the graph really should say "Cane Sugar Consumption".

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >ok... maybe that sugar isn't the problem
                >but THIS sugar is definitely the problem!
                i would say have a nice day Black person but starving yourself of sugar (or impairing metabolism) is essentially a long drawn out suicide over the course of a few decades

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes anon, vegetable oil is also bad for you. So is sugar.

                yes, objectively. more starch, more unsaturated fats, less sugar.

                Objectively cite your sources. Because I can tell you right now 99% of the shit they sell at Walmart are laced with HFCS. But please, go ahead with your french fry theory.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                do it yourself Black person

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >thinking the mechanism behind diabetes is "spiking insulin too much"
          the average person cannot tell the difference between symptom management strategies and the actual etiology of a disease.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >having healthy pancreatic cells that are less worn down is associated with lower risk of developing the 'beetus
        wow! who would've thought!?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Caffeine ruins collagen production

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sugar + Fiber + nutrients = Best preworkout on planet Earth.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So fruit.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I too like to bloat right before a workout

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cardio uses fat as fuel primarily. Eat sugar for high intensity lifting

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Cardio rocket fuel
    Literally just drink a coffee

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So what should I do if I want more energy?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you don't have energy for cardio you need more sleep.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      zozzle

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sugar is good for you.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >tfw 98.6 degrees F

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you have healthy insulin signaling and good glucose control *usually*, you won't develop any problems from consuming it. Refined sugar is a readily available source of energy so it can be great for a pre-workout; after high-intensity exercise, you're better off with something like potatoes or bananas to replace glycogen. The problem to me with sugar is that it displaces whole, minimally processed (cooking included) foods, which obviously means it'll be harder to meet your nutrient intake goals, particularly if you don't know how to design a good diet for YOU.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it doesn't matter how good your insulin signaling and blood glucose control is, chronic high amounts of fructose damages the liver and other systems.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >chronic high amounts of fructose damages the liver and other systems.
        You don't know what you're talking about. Guess what, poor choline intake is what leads to fructose doing that. You're so myopic you don't know that.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          no amount of choline is going to prevent the negative effects of >100g of daily chronic fructose.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >chronic high amounts of fructose damages the liver and other systems.
            You don't know what you're talking about. Guess what, poor choline intake is what leads to fructose doing that. You're so myopic you don't know that.

            it doesn't matter how good your insulin signaling and blood glucose control is, chronic high amounts of fructose damages the liver and other systems.

            Gentlemen

            As a third party observer I ask that you both provide source to your claims.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34203484/

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                is that fructose from hfcs or from fruits?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                both are harmful in large amounts, but fructose from sugar or (corn) syrup is way easier to overconsume. and the rate of absorption is also higher for sugar/syrup, making it worse.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34203484/
                No one eats extreme doses of fructose moron. Lower doses of fructose is actually very good for you.
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24569542/
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23872500/
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19930762/
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21396140/
                Meanwhile, Saturated Fat increases liver fat 70% more than fructose during overfeeding
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20483648/
                High Fat Diet increases liver fat compared to low fat diet during energy balance
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21252252/
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15741262/

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're just as myopic as that guy. Fructose can be health-promoting, yes, but the rest of what you typed, while technically correct, is very misleading. You might want to check the article above you.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The truth is misleading

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you mean the truth that saturated fat protects the liver against alcohol-induced damage? https://chrismasterjohnphd.substack.com/p/maternal-intake-of-saturated-fat

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Master john
                That's how you call him, good goy?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, absolutely. If I tell you 10,000 IU of retinol produces toxicity I'm telling the truth and misleading simultaneously because I don't mention that this is not the amount needed on average to produce toxicity and vitamin D can hugely increase the intake required to produce toxic effects. Most people don't need that much and probably shouldn't consume it because you require more of the fat soluble vitamins as a result of more than 5,000 IU/d. You're dumb.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Didn't read. Still eating fructose, still leaner than you.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It shows because you'd otherwise know I'm not against fructose, dum-dum.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Post body.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >When you're so dumb you disagree with those who agree with you.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I accept your concession, fat boy.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Chad!

                I kneel.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Fructose is different than glucose in that it goes straight to the liver rather than dispersing throughout the body; thus, the liver converts much of it to fat, sending the fat back into the bloodstream — providing it has enough choline.
                >In 1949, however, researchers showed that sucrose and ethanol had equal potential to cause fatty liver and the resulting inflammatory damage, and that increases in dietary protein, extra methionine, and extra choline could all completely protect against this effect (19).
                >Conversely, much more recent research has shown that sucrose is a requirement for the development of fatty liver disease in a methionine- and choline-deficient (MCD) model.
                >They found that on the sucrose diet, the fructose component led to the synthesis of fat in the liver, and because the choline level was deficient, the liver could not export that fat.

                The article contains sources:
                https://chrismasterjohnphd.substack.com/p/the-sweet-truth-about-liver-and-egg

                both are harmful in large amounts, but fructose from sugar or (corn) syrup is way easier to overconsume. and the rate of absorption is also higher for sugar/syrup, making it worse.

                Gentlemen, I have reviewed the evidence and concluded; in addition to you both being latent homosexuals -- that a balanced diet limiting both sugar and saturated fat intake is ideal.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >limiting [...] saturated fat intake is ideal
                no, it's not: https://chrismasterjohnphd.substack.com/p/maternal-intake-of-saturated-fat

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I trust the science.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                if you'd clicked the link, you'd see the scientific articles showing saturated fat protecting against liver damage.
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7615205/
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16108051/
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17313679/

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I've read enough and I am now too lazy.

                I need quotes.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Fructose is different than glucose in that it goes straight to the liver rather than dispersing throughout the body; thus, the liver converts much of it to fat, sending the fat back into the bloodstream — providing it has enough choline.
              >In 1949, however, researchers showed that sucrose and ethanol had equal potential to cause fatty liver and the resulting inflammatory damage, and that increases in dietary protein, extra methionine, and extra choline could all completely protect against this effect (19).
              >Conversely, much more recent research has shown that sucrose is a requirement for the development of fatty liver disease in a methionine- and choline-deficient (MCD) model.
              >They found that on the sucrose diet, the fructose component led to the synthesis of fat in the liver, and because the choline level was deficient, the liver could not export that fat.

              The article contains sources:
              https://chrismasterjohnphd.substack.com/p/the-sweet-truth-about-liver-and-egg

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                not being deficient in micronutrients helps of course, but too much fructose will still cause harm. there's only so much that choline can do.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I mean, that's true for probably anything you can think of. There probably is an amount that overwhelms the liver no matter the choline intake but even high amounts won't. Now, that doesn't mean you should consume it at the expense of other carbs, fat and specially protein, of course not.

                [...]
                [...]
                Gentlemen, I have reviewed the evidence and concluded; in addition to you both being latent homosexuals -- that a balanced diet limiting both sugar and saturated fat intake is ideal.

                Cringe. Your analysis was poorly done.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                to be fair, people who eat things high in choline like liver, eggs, meat, fish, and dairy probably eat less sugar than others.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/ctL7Ua8.jpg

                I mean, that's true for probably anything you can think of. There probably is an amount that overwhelms the liver no matter the choline intake but even high amounts won't. Now, that doesn't mean you should consume it at the expense of other carbs, fat and specially protein, of course not.

                [...]
                Cringe. Your analysis was poorly done.

                Eh, an analogy is foie gras. Ducks will gorge themselves, and their livers will fatten up. If you ignore the force feeding from foie gras consumers, ducks will also naturally engage in this practice.

                A sort of evolutionary compensatory mechanism?
                I eat the food now in abundance as it is available now in abundance. So the liver takes on more fat to disperse in famine.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >ducks will also naturally engage in this practice.
                So? As already established, their livers won't fatten up disproportionately to everything else if their body has what it needs. You haven't read what has been posted.
                >So the liver takes on more fat to disperse in famine.
                No, you have subcutaneous adipose tissue to do that without compromising health (up to a certain point).

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sure bud, have your momentary satisfaction by denying the duck liver example, even if it literally confirms everything stated in this thread.

                Ducks gorge in response to cold weather. I am merely exploring potential evolutionary reasons that could explain why this happens in humans. Especially given that food exists abundantly in modern ~~*society*~~.

                >not conclusive
                duh, this is informed speculation.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I hope this is a troll or bot because otherwise your intelligence is very low and are blind. The foie gras example has already been indirectly addressed.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Coffee and banana and honey on toast is my pre cardio rocket fuel.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Baby gay fuel for infantile söyboy limp dick fairies

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it helps metabolize fat, so soda is actually healthy for you

    if you are metabolizing fat

    but no one actually metabolizes fat so soda is awful for you

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