moron. The lower age expectancy was because a third of the population died before the age of 5.
If you got above that age, you would like a normal life until 60+.
I don’t want or use modern medicine frick that israelite shit too
2 years ago
Anonymous
We're not talking about COVID vaccines you dimwit. We're talking about how the mortality rate use to be age 30 because people died from splinter infections, dysentery and smallpox, among an everlasting long list of shit our ancestors conquered through science.
I'm no liberal but thinking EVERY advancement humanity has made is a israeli conspiracy theory is low-IQ as frick.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>le people died at age le 30
this is a common misconception caused by faulty statistics. because childcare was dogshit back then, infant mortality was insanely high, and children in general were put in much more dangerous positions (such as being required to help hunt or farm or work), if you survived to adulthood you were probably going to make it to your mid-60s or 70s.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>the mortality rate was 30
Coming off as a pretty low tier midwit anon, no offense. You mean the average lifespan was 30 years, not the ‘mortality rate’ (and it wasn’t that low for most of Europe even in the dark ages). And as [...]
Pointed out that average was mostly due to child mortality rates. Plenty of peasants lived into their 60s and beyond. For the record I’m pro modern medicine especially for acute problems but that doesn’t mean it’s above criticism
How did they frick up infant mortality so bad back then anyway? It seems absurd to us modern people. I assume they did the best with what they had, but what did they have?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>How did they frick up infant mortality so bad back then anyway?
Diseases and starvation mostly.
2 years ago
Anonymous
everyone was starving, nobody had a good diet, and childbirth was pulling a baby out of a dirty woman's snatch and cutting the umbilical cord with the same knife you cooked dinner with and never washed. they didn't wash their hands, they rarely bathed, stupid people thought diseases were divine punishment and smart people thought they were caused by ontologically evil patches of air.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>everyone was starving, nobody had a good diet
This was never the case universally. The health of a population changed throughout time and place. You really think armies of 1000s of people in fighting shape could be sustained if they were all starving all the time and eating mud?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>not everyone was starving you dipshit, the king wasn't starving, nor the people he hired to protect him
2 years ago
Anonymous
Quite literally not everyone was starving and quite literally some people had relatively good diets. Mortality was generally higher in the past due to a variety of factors, none of which require exaggeration to explain the mortality.
2 years ago
Anonymous
based autistic linguistic nuance non-understander
2 years ago
Anonymous
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pier_Gerlofs_Donia
This guy certainly wasn't getting enough to eat
2 years ago
Anonymous
My theory completely without evidence is that it was a natural check on the human population- the worlds population increased very slowly until child mortality rates were brought down. But I guess it really was just about hygiene practices, exposure to disease, and having enough food
2 years ago
Anonymous
Human birthing is quite possible the worst example of it in the animal kingdom and is only saved by our intelligence finally making it easier for us.
This isn't hyperbole, think about what ever single other mammal goes through.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>the mortality rate was 30
Coming off as a pretty low tier midwit anon, no offense. You mean the average lifespan was 30 years, not the ‘mortality rate’ (and it wasn’t that low for most of Europe even in the dark ages). And as
>le people died at age le 30
this is a common misconception caused by faulty statistics. because childcare was dogshit back then, infant mortality was insanely high, and children in general were put in much more dangerous positions (such as being required to help hunt or farm or work), if you survived to adulthood you were probably going to make it to your mid-60s or 70s.
Pointed out that average was mostly due to child mortality rates. Plenty of peasants lived into their 60s and beyond. For the record I’m pro modern medicine especially for acute problems but that doesn’t mean it’s above criticism
2 years ago
Anonymous
>the mortality rate use to be age 30
Not only can't you write a proper sentence you can't even start to grasp what average means how child mortality affects it. Good job, you outed yourself as a below 70 IQ ape.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Your sentence structure is pretty stupid too anon.
I love when anons here try to tear each other down, I feel like a God watching you arrogant pathetic idiots argue amongst yourselves.
This is why I love seeing Blackpill threads, seeing whiny losers who won't accept help or advice suffer is pretty fricking satisfying.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I feel like a God watching you arrogant pathetic idiots argue amongst yourselves.
No self-awareness. >seeing whiny losers suffer is satisfying
And a sadist, too.
You really think you're so much better?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>being a liberal now means not being a backwards moron that shits on the loose umbrella term of “modern medicine”
This is why you’re losing.
This is really the biggest one IMO. I wouldn't mind roughing it for the rest of my life as long as I knew there was still medical treatments I could get.
Though funny enough, I think people living off the land, constantly being surrounded by your tribe, outside all day, would cause a drastic drop in medicine use compared to now.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No it wouldn't. Mankind forgot its lack of respect for bacteria and viruses. It's fricking obvious with gaypox and exploitation of the Manchu Flu
On a long enough timeline our sun will expand and kill all life on earth. so EVENTUALLY we must become a species that explores the stars and finds a new home planet. It's our destiny and necessity. Technological advancement is essential.
You can't really save it. Everything around us and everything we eat and drink is more or less toxic shit. The best you can do is limit how much you get of it. Since sun screen isn't something you actually need and can be replaced with simply spending less time in the sun, it's an easy thing to cut out.
She's right but if you're staying out in the sun over a long time (over 20 minutes) then put on sunscreen. Just avoid sunscreens with anything including benzene.
Good thing even when sunscreens get recalled for benzene, the levels and exposure rate is still so low that it's a joke compared with other sources of benzene exposure for the average westerner. Now, if you live in some shithole country and buy sunscreen made in the chemical plant down the street, things might be a little different. Just dont buy suncreen on alibaba.
I'm 40, tanned for about 15 years, never with sunscreen. Skin is great, no wrinkles or folds on my face. The sun doesn't cause ageing, what causes ageing is the modern diet which damages normal DNA-repair and collagen synthesis pathways leading to damaged skin. If you eat enough high quality animal foods and avoid goyslop/goyslurp, you will age great.
It goes without saying that while the sun is healthy and everyone should get sun exposure without sunscreen, it isn't smart to overdo it to the point of burning. Nor is it smart to hide from the sun all year and then for 2 weeks in summer travel to somewhere with scorching sun. It has to be a consistent and sensible exposure throughout the year in your natural latitude.
tldr eat an animal based diet, ignore the vegan propaganda (they have the worst ageing of any diet), get consistent sun exposure without burning.
As long as you aren't out long enough to get burned, don't use sunscreen. The problem is morons today stay inside most of the year and get their face seared in the middle of summer and assume it's just because the sun is evil lmao.
The risk of skin cancer actually goes down with sun exposure. However, that stops being true if you consistently get burned. Burned skin = skin damage. What you want is to build up resistance to the sun slowly over time, making sure not to burn. That way you only get the benefits.
did this, got three skin cancers after one summer in the south. You cant accurately predict the UV exposure enough to not get sun (radiation) burns because the index is always changing. Plus, eveyone has different genes. Im part potato Black person so Im not suited to anything other than mist and sadness
I've unironically never used a sunscreen in my life and i've been in the sun for extended periods of time. My skin never peels, I just turn bronze/darker.
Not saying it's a good thing. I've been thinking about getting a daily moisturizer/SS combo. I'm getting older and I don't want it to catch up to me after all these years.
depends on the environment and your skin. if you're on the water, or there are no clouds, you'll burn quick. If you're in the water you'll burn even quicker because the water acts as a lens. Naturally dark people don't burn as easily as lighter people. I'm of fair complexion and went kayaking with my mother for mother's day, spent maybe 4 hours on the water in shorts with no sun screen, my legs were so severely sunburned that the doctor said it was "sun poisoning" and gave me a scrip for some Rx painkiller. Not fun, that was 2 years and change ago and my shins are still brownish.
I've been to the beach once and I had a sunburn all over that was so bad that one dude stopped walking and said "damn he red!"
I had to call in sick to work because I was having sweats and tremors for three days and that very evening I could start pulling skins all over my body, as in grab it and pull off an entire long piece on the side of my legs. It got so bad I was rubbing cold yogurt all over when I ran out of aloe cream. For three years you could still see the clothes I had been wearing that day because that area was pale and the rest was just scarred brown and it took ages for it to go away. Never doing that shit ever again. I could just grab a piece of skin and rip off the entire side of my shoulder.
the source for this photo: just trust me bro
people that think you should avoid the sun and wear sunscreen are so indescribably stupid, almost as moronic as vegans. Literally just wear a hat and don't burn the shit out of yourself at midday
not that poster but this is the source for that photo
https://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/truck-driver-face-prematurely-aged-due-sun-damage-truck-driver-face-altered-unilateral-dermatoheliosis-article-1.1089706
>lived in florida and was outside alot
I hardly used sunscreen when I was younger. 33 now with liver spots coming in. I regularly go in the get them removed. >apply sunscreen
I just moved to a desert city. Should I start wearing sunscreen? I'm not white and I don't think I've ever gotten a sunburn in my life, but the sun is pretty intense out here and I don't want to look like a raisin in 10 years.
sunscreen plus some protective clothing like wide brim hat and sunglasses. you'll be fine. remember to drink plenty of water and to acclimatize your body to the heat.
You imbicile. It's not the effect of sun, but only of uva that her truck glass was transparent to. She wasn't getting uvb and near infra red light that give all the benefits. It's like eating only pure sugar and then claiming that fruits are bad for you.
>ut only of uva that her truck glass was transparent to. She wasn't getting uvb and near infra red light that give all the benefits
how do you know? or are you just making shit up, on the spot? do you know wether she drove with windows up or down?
My dad was a truck driver and I notice it in his arms, his arm he always had hanging out the window is thin as frick and always tears easy in comparison.
>imma settle for ugly overweight women, cause i look like shit.
mature people realise that looks and attraction is an important part of a healthy relationship and sex life
>tries to grasp for anything he can, in desperation >knows he wont get anything better than fat ugly women.
you cant tell green flags from red flags, so even if she starts out skinny, shell be fat by the time your 40
2 years ago
Anonymous
>if I don't look young when I'm old the roasties won't want to frick me >I am bound to have no authority over my wife so she's going to turn obese >the only way my wife can stay good looking is if I marry her when when I'll be dead before she's old
2 years ago
Anonymous
you can reach as hard as you want, youre still missing all your points. touch grass, incel
2 years ago
Anonymous
I just don't really get your point. You want to look young when you're old (which by itself is very understandable) but you're doing it because you think you won't get any good women if you don't? this is what I'm getting, but seriously curious as to what you really mean
2 years ago
Anonymous
if you look better, your pool of selection, in terms of women increases. yes, i know personality is the most important factor. but pretending looks doesnt matter is just wrong. especially for first impression.
the bigger the selection, the more probable you are to find a decent partner.
heres some actualy research >https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/bjd.17980
"While the current evidence suggests no increased risk of skin cancer related to sunscreen use, this systematic review does not confirm the expected protective benefits of sunscreen against skin cancer in the general population."
btw i dont argue for sunscreen. but saying sunscreeen cause cancer is ridiculous
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/shopping/2022/07/31/banana-boat-sunscreen-recall-benzene/10196061002/
I shudder to think of what other companies have in their products
The rate of cancer has gone up because life expectancy has increased and the older you get the more likely you're to get cancer if you don't die to any other disease beforehand
that graph also doesnt factor in obesity, lack of sleep and lack of exercise. which are the major contributors to ALL cancers. among with other issues of modern lifestyle like never being in the sun, then suddenly get your whole body sunburned
i once had probably what another anon here referred to as 'sun poisoning'
i got back from a week at the beach/pool and my skin started leaking a clear watery liquid (eg my skin was cracking and moisture was seeping out). i kept itching the skin and it became enflamed and swollen. My hands swole up like balloons, and the skin was pulled so tight that even trying to move a finger would stretch the skin so much it would tear and cause insane pain. i rushed myself to hospital and nearly passed out in the ER room. the doctors didnt know what caused it but they just rounded it down to the sun as it was the only factor that could have caused it - i wasnt even sunburned.
last week in this euro heatwave i sat outside all day in fairly weak sun/cold beach and ive been burned head to toe since, with itching red and irritated skin keeping me awake all night this week. cant wait for it to frick off.
so yeah, im gonna limit my sun on hot days, going to either wear a tee shirt or slap a bit of suncream on. if im having to have a 'sun day', ill keep moving (so that all parts of my body take a bit of sun instead of sunbathing or sitting still where chest or back gets blasted) and im going to spend a signifigant amount of time in the shade between 11-3pm
This happened to my dad
Lived in Spain for a bit and a wart looking thing on his foot ballooned to the size of a fist, had to get it leaked at a hospital
oh nice, sunscreen thread, I make my own here's my recipe.
45% coconut oil, 25% shea butter, 20% zinc oxide, 10% jojoba oil, toss these in a bowl above a pan of hot water to mix them and add whatever floral scent you want to it afterwards (they tend to evaporate if you do it while it's still warm)
here's it applied, doesn't stain but it's a little harder to apply than regular sunscreen and hairy areas i.e beard tend to be a pain but that's also the case with regular.
btw it takes literally 10 minutes to make and it's cheaper than any commercial brand.
rosemary is also easy to grow, but I was using wood scents and they're a pain to extract at this point of the year because the sap stream slows down around the summer solstice, that's also why we trim hedges around this time of the year.
(arm was applied in this picture)
anyway, for larger batches you basically just add shea butter at 50% the quantity of the amount of coconut oil you used, jojoba oil at 10% of the total quantity you have (this one isn't super important you can get away with just coconut butter and shea butter with zinc) and then add zinc oxide at 20%+ the total volume of what you've got, the zinc is the deciding factor in how much protection it gives, the more you use the higher the factor but it also becomes increasingly hard to apply.
don't use micronized zinc, that shit gets into your skin and bloodstream (but it's easier to apply and most commercial sunscreens use this)
you can easily order all of this shit online, a lot of women make their own make up and this is all sold by the same vendors.
by the way even without the herbal scents it still smells pretty nice and all of these products are good for your skin.
I've worn it on a hot summer day at work (35C) and didn't burn.
oh and if you've got leftovers, most of these oils can be used as a moisturizer even during winter.
I ordered 50 bucks worth of raw product to make sunscreen and I've got enough to make like 200 worth of sunscreen.
hmmm i might try this anon thanks, idk if i need it tho i just apply some coconut oil and can stay out in the sun for hours and i just tan
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lavender can be an endocrine disruptor i think
at the quantity at which you use it for scent it's probably not going to do much but you can just avoid it, you'd have to be using the raw oil on your skin for that.
basil, clove, citrus, garlic, fennel, lemongrass, oregano, rosemary, and thyme have demonstrated significant antifungal activity against a broad range of fungal human pathogens.
homemade moisturizer is superior to store bought. we made it in chemistra class, when i were in school. and all the girls said its better than store bought ones. it was litterally 3 ingredients
it has some minor issues like oil separation (you need to shake it a little before applying) that's what a lot of the compounds in commercial mixes are for, to prevent that.
it's funny how easy it is to make a good product considering how bad for your skin commercial products are.
2 years ago
Anonymous
and you can just make smaller batches, more often to avoid the issue of it spoiling
here's it applied, doesn't stain but it's a little harder to apply than regular sunscreen and hairy areas i.e beard tend to be a pain but that's also the case with regular.
btw it takes literally 10 minutes to make and it's cheaper than any commercial brand.
Sounds nice anon, thanks. I'll generally use coconut oil or zinc sunscreen but that sounds like a good middle ground. Zinc susncreen doesn't fully rub in and makes you look like a dork unfortunately.
slow and gradual exposure is linked to reduce risks of skin cancer even without sunscreen, the only time the sun is bad for you is if you over expose and get burnt so... dont get burnt. also if you think about it most people who get issues from the sun use sunscreen. Because they go from being inside an office for most hours of the day most days then go on holiday and stay in direct sunlight for 4 hours straight and wonder why they burn.
Diet also plays a lot into if the sun is good or bad, if you have a diet high in oxidising inflamatory foods like seed oils and sugars the suns oxidative stress will affect you infinitely more. Whilst on the other hand a generally healthy, whole foods diet with a lot of anti-oxidants causes protection, so basically its an excuse to drink coffee and eat dark chocolate.
In conclusion, gradually build up your exposure to the sun as the body increases melanin which is natural, non toxic, sunscreen. Take frequent breaks, make sure to stay hydrated and use something like coconut oil if needed as it hydrates the skin and the fat reflects a tiny bit of sun.
>iet also plays a lot into if the sun is good or bad, if you have a diet high in oxidising inflamatory foods like seed oils and sugars the suns oxidative stress will affect you infinitely more.
brought to you by broscience and middle aged mom health advice
this is science, the fact you question these basic mechanisms such as oxidative stress means you are wholly uneducated
https://i.imgur.com/ITEUNXf.jpg
oh and if you've got leftovers, most of these oils can be used as a moisturizer even during winter.
I ordered 50 bucks worth of raw product to make sunscreen and I've got enough to make like 200 worth of sunscreen.
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at the quantity at which you use it for scent it's probably not going to do much but you can just avoid it, you'd have to be using the raw oil on your skin for that.
basil, clove, citrus, garlic, fennel, lemongrass, oregano, rosemary, and thyme have demonstrated significant antifungal activity against a broad range of fungal human pathogens.
thanks for the info on the anti fungal shit thats interesting, coconut oil itself is also anti bacterial so, can use it as mouthwash aha.
>this is science
you psoted absolutely no sources and just claim its science. cause you dont actually read decent research. imma bet if you do, its mice studies.
why dont you post your "scientific sources" ?
why dont you tell me how what i said is wrong, id be so interested to hear your disection!
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forgot to add, breathing oxygen causes oxidative stress. you litterally learned a basic function and just ran with it.
yes thats why you have a healthy diet rich in anti oxidants you fricking moron, also my point was to expose yourself to the sun so whats your point here? worst gotcha ever
you still dont provide any actual evidence for your ludacris claims. Cause you dont actually have any and just made up the claim that "oxidising inflamatory foods like seed oils and sugars the suns oxidative stress will affect you infinitely more"
>yes thats why you have a healthy diet rich in anti oxidants you fricking moron
Yet suplementation of antioxidants have litterally no effect on health. if the reason was antioxidants we would se a dose response and health when suplemented >https://journals.lww.com/co-clinicalnutrition/Abstract/2014/01000/Antioxidant_supplements_and_mortality.7.aspx
Antioxidant supplements do not possess preventive effects and may be harmful with unwanted consequences to our health, especially in well-nourished populations. The optimal source of antioxidants seems to come from our diet, not from antioxidant supplements in pills or tablets.
The health benefits from whole foods isnt due to antioxidants. antioxidant consumption, through food is just an indirect way of measuring whole foods intake. The same way fiber studies is an indirect way of measuring plant intake. this would be obvious to you, if you read research
2 years ago
Anonymous
>from our diet, not from antioxidant supplements in pills or tablets.
i never said to take supplaments you fricking eejit i literally mentioned having coffee and dark chocolate HAHAAHAHAHA
>The health benefits from whole foods isnt due to antioxidants
i never said that holy shit, you really are brain dead
2 years ago
Anonymous
>i never said to take supplaments you fricking eejit i literally mentioned having coffee and dark chocolate HAHAAHAHAHA
litterally dodged my point.
>i never said that holy shit, you really are brain dead
then why did you bring up anti-oxidants, like they do? If they didnt matter you wouldnt mention them at all. perfect example of cognitive dissonance
2 years ago
Anonymous
>then why did you bring up anti-oxidants, like they do? If they didnt matter you wouldnt mention them at all. perfect example of cognitive dissonance
the anti oxidant point and eating healthy whole foods point were completely separate.
and the anti oxidant point was to show how they help to reduce oxidative stress, which will protect from sun damage, please try to dispute this id love to see because its basic science
2 years ago
Anonymous
>and the anti oxidant point was to show how they help to reduce oxidative stress, which will protect from sun damage >which will protect from sun damage
yet you posted actual no evidence for this. cause its made up bullshit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
ionizing radiation causes molecules to ionize
ionization is a process in which molecules gain a negative or positive (unstable) charge
this instability causes them to react with other molecules in order to achieve stability
ionizing radiation causes a significant amount of ionization within the body. considering the body is 70% water, a significant amount affects water.
antioxidants serve as a sponge to ionized molecules; the source of ionization is not important
therefore antioxidant compounds can help protect against the ionizing radation from the sun. however, this effect is dose dependent, no human can consume enough antioxidants to protect you like sunscreen can.
2 years ago
Anonymous
your definition of a credible source is absolutely ridiculous. just glancing over the issue with an insane oversimplification of what happens in the body. we all had chemistry 101, but that isnt enough to explain all the complex pathways and systems in the body. Can you post an actual source now for your claim? Cause i cant find any research on google scholar where it says dietary antioxidants decrease the risk of sunburn.
>open research, search for anything related to sun or ionizing radiation. Nothing on risk of sunburn, or how antioxidants affects radiation. >all points about ionizing radiation are about inflamatory responses, protein, lack of oxygen and pathways
like a said. nothing to support that antioxidant intake reduce the risk of sunburn. it didnt even mention dietary antioxidants and dammage from ionizing radiation. it does mention antioxidants, but nothing on how consumption of it affects the antioxidant system.
but its a good research paper on the topic of cancer, so imma save it
>this is science
you psoted absolutely no sources and just claim its science. cause you dont actually read decent research. imma bet if you do, its mice studies.
why dont you post your "scientific sources" ?
forgot to add, breathing oxygen causes oxidative stress. you litterally learned a basic function and just ran with it.
antioxidant theory has never been proven. In fact, giving people beta carotene supplements caused harm and early death. Inflammation is essential for cell destruction, antioxidants protect cells that are supposed to die.
might be true, it contains metals which can be toxic depending on the quantity, also the cream itself can clog up your pores and cause irritations.
it's a lot of "may be/could happen" so it's gonna depend a lot on the person and other factors.
she's right about limiting sun exposure though, that shit ruins your skin in the long run
If you're concerned about skin cancer, limit your time in the sun for 20 minutes, wear sunscreen if you're in the sun for longer periods of time, wear sleeves, a hat, avoid going out unprotected from 10 AM to 4 PM when the sun's at its peak, wear a hat, and if you're driving for long periods of time, wear protective clothing and consider tinting your window. I used to not give a shit about sun damage because my family of farmers have had no history of skin cancer, but then I remembered I know nothing about the other side of my family and started taking precautions when I noticed all of the moles I developed over the years. Check your body for moles while miring yourself and if any moles appear, monitor it and see if it grows.
yes because
1 im supposed to believe a woman
2 im supposed to believe someone selling me something
3 im supposed to believe a woman selling me something (these effects are synergistic together and not additive thus this deseves its own point)
4 sunscreen is not bad for you despite what some random uneducated thot is telling you
5 im white and my skin isnt meant to have sun exposure the way it's fashionable
6 i'd like to see someone explain what exatly is bad in the sunscreen and how it damages you from a molecular pathophysiologcal perspective
> sunscreen is not bad for you despite what some random uneducated thot is telling you
see
heres some actualy research >https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/bjd.17980
"While the current evidence suggests no increased risk of skin cancer related to sunscreen use, this systematic review does not confirm the expected protective benefits of sunscreen against skin cancer in the general population."
btw i dont argue for sunscreen. but saying sunscreeen cause cancer is ridiculous
FROM THE VERY ARTICLE YOU LINKED
Regular sunscreen use
can prevent skin cancer(6,7) and is one of the most common sun protection strategies used.(8,9)
Objectives
We aimed to review the literature to investigate associations between sunscreen use and vitamin D3 or 25 hydroxyvitamin D [25(OH)D] concentration.
There is little evidence that sunscreen decreases 25(OH)D concentration when used in real-life settings, suggesting that concerns about vitamin D should not negate skin cancer prevention advice. However, there have been no trials of the high-SPF sunscreens that are now widely recommended.
The theoretical counterpoint to the benefits of sunscreen may be an increase in the risk of vitamin D
deficiency. In people exposed to adequate solar UV radiation, the primary source of vitamin D is
UVB-induced conversion of 7-dehydrocholesterol in the skin to pre-vitamin D3. After skin synthesis
vitamin D3 is hydroxylated in the liver to form 25 hydroxy vitamin D (25(OH)D), the primary
circulating form of vitamin D and the indicator of vitamin D status. 25(OH)D is then converted,
primarily in the kidney, to 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D (1,25(OH)2D), the biologically active form which
plays pivotal roles in calcium homeostasis and has a range of other effects.
Please explain to me how this paper is relevant or suggests in fact the exact opposite of what was stated by the posters here, that sunscreen is unrelated related to skin cancer,
i imagine you all as drooling knuckledragging morons
i never said sunscreen is good for you, i jsut refuted the moronic notion its bad for you. cause it seems to have little to no positives or negatives. Why dont you try to read what i actually write, instead of spinning it in your head like a blue haired feminist
>Be a toddler >Mom thought it was just so cute to let me play outside in the sun for multiple hours in shorts and no shirt and NO SUNSCREEN
I'm so angry about this. I accrued so much fricking IRREVERSABLE damage to my skin as a helpless child because someone thought it was "cute"
I am absolutely seething
You moron. Thank her for having healthy levels of vitamin D for bone growth and other shit.
You are cursing a blessing because some israelite told you le sun is bad, microplastics smothered on your skin good.
what kind of damage you fricking sperg. having a few hyperpigmentation spots is normal.
>you have to get an exponentially higher risk of aggressive skin cancer, ugly hyperpigmentation, and become wrinkled 10 years early to pwn da joos
get a grip
Damage occurs when you jump from no sun to mediterranean beaches in a single day, ie. what happens to office workers on holidays.
If you are outside all of the time and your body has time to get accustomed to the sun with the seasons, there are no problems.
i dont easily tan, every summer i was allowed to burn to the point of peeling skin, multiple times.
>the health of my body and the structure of my bones >or unproven claims about myu skin beauty peddled by israelites selling me microplastics in lotion form
HMMMMMMMMMM
I can tell you were malnourished by your low IQ, but normal people get vitamin D from their diet, not being neglected in the sun, you stupid fricking Black person.
>normal people get vitamin D from their diet not from the sun >being out in the sun is NEGLECT!
lol go ahead rub the finest particles of microplastics on your skin
2 years ago
Anonymous
Go rub your brains on the wall with a shotgun
2 years ago
Anonymous
>this makes the israelite seethe with rage if you dont rub microplastics on your skin to block out vitamin D
not the guy youre talking too, but if you think you get enough D3 from your diet, then youre moronic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Another study found that 30 minutes of midday summer sun exposure in Oslo, Norway was equivalent to consuming 10,000–20,000 IU of vitamin D
Recommended daily intake for a child is 400IU. It would have been sufficient to walk to the car once a day, and you brainrotted /misc/Black folk think I was lucky to be perpetually sunburned for 6 months a year
2 years ago
Anonymous
I live in Norway. we dont have enough sun 65% of the year. cause were fully dressed. we dont walk around naked. nor is 400IU optimal dosing. thats litterally the dose you need to not experience severe vitamin D deficiency
>https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1403494814541593
"Results are presented from 475 boys and 415 girls (15–18 years old) with available blood samples. A total of 60.2% had vitamin D deficiency or insufficiency (serum 25(OH)D <50 nmol/l), 16.5% were deficient (<25 nmol/l) and 1.6% had severe vitamin D deficiency (<12.5 nmol/l)."
we have vitamin D fortified foods, yet most are deficient. youre absolutely moronic
2 years ago
Anonymous
This is an issue far north and far south on the globe
2 years ago
Anonymous
Cool, I don't live in Norway, I live in the US and I sure as frick wasn't vitamin D deficient.
Ever heard of something called moderation? Maybe you don't need to keep the kids locked in the basement OR let them play outside for 6 hours in a 10 UV index sun with no shirt or sunscreen? Maybe tell your kid to put on a shirt? Maybe put on some sunscreen? It's so fricking stupid that you people are arguing that I was not harmed by this, and the reason is because youre incels, and this is just another thing you want to blame for you not getting any pussy.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Maybe you don't need to keep the kids locked in the basement OR let them play outside for 6 hours in a 10 UV index sun with no shirt or sunscreen?
ive not said anything about this at all, lol. thats your argument with another dude. i just stated that your argument about getting enough vitamin D from the diet is bullshit, the levels of 400UI is too low for optimal health, and the study you posted, about sun, in norway. doesnt make sense in the real world
2 years ago
Anonymous
>RDI for Vitamin D
it's more like minimum vitamin D to not skeletally collapse
healthy ranges are at least in the high thousands, sunlight absolutely nukes the body with vitamin D, it's something insane like 20000IU in half an hour of normal sun
Damage occurs when you jump from no sun to mediterranean beaches in a single day, ie. what happens to office workers on holidays.
If you are outside all of the time and your body has time to get accustomed to the sun with the seasons, there are no problems.
the sun is god's benevolent presence on the physical plane. your ability to tolerate sunlight is directly proportionate to your nearness to god. hence the australian skin cancer rates
>Just cover up and wear a broad brimmed hat. It's cooler to wear long sleeves anyway
Imagining the sights of IST posters going out in the sun in the heat wearing a wide brimmed hat, long sleeves, long pants, very funny visual.
She’s right.
I only use sunscreen that has organic components and is not dangerous for ocean life. The only problem is that shit is expensive so when I run out of it, I just avoid exposing too much. Not big deal.
>an estimated 197,700 cases of deadly sun-damage-related skin cancer (melanoma) will be diagnosed in the U.S. in 2022 >0.05% of the population >99% survival rate if caught early >only at risk of developing it after getting many actual sunburns, or using a tanning bed
Okay?
>muh sun-damaged skin!
Why I should give a frick about getting wrinkles as I age? Pure vanity.
I don't really wear sunscreen too much. If I'm out in the sun when you're getting the most direct sunlight I typically just make sure to wear a hat and appropriate clothes to limit exposure. I usually go to the pool in the afternoon so 3 PM onward and don't wear sunscreen and have yet to get sunburnt and I'm white as absolute frick and don't really tan too much.
>go into the daily fit sunscreen thread >"dude look at this data, is shows that people who use more sunscreen are more likely to get melanoma and other skin cancers, sunscreen is the cause bro!" >doesn't take into account the fact that the people who go into the sun more often are the ones more likely to use sunscreen >immediately just say DUDE IT'S THE SUNSCREEN CAUSING THE CANCER BRO
>the board where every poster went to college and frequently post-graduate degrees for science, engineering, computer shit because everyone is a rich genius scientist are unable to correctly analyze scientific data
Wear mineral sunscreen then moron. It uses zinc and titanium oxide rather than the chemical shit that seeps into your skin like oxybenzone
I don't wear sunscreen that often, usually only if I'm going to the beach or pool, or if it's 90+ degrees the UV index is super high and I'm planning on being out for a long time. But I'm not against it in principle. It's just a pain in the ass to apply all the time and get the white cast off.
This is actually true. Majority of sun screen products contains harmful chemicals, however there are plenty of brands that doesn't and are completely fine, so just buy those brands. I use La Roche Posays sunscreens. Spent summer in spain during the heatwave using a 30spf la roche posay sunscreen and never got burnt. Meanwhile my friends used 50spf shit sunscreens and got burnt to a crisp.
i do outdoor sports officiating and all referees use sunscreen. most use that meme spray though. i only use the lotion and its relatively expensive but i just got a huge bottle of the walmart brand thats half the price of even amazon third party brand so hopefully it works well
why cant people live normally. wish it was 3000 bc right now.
Because we fricking died in our twenties?
moron. The lower age expectancy was because a third of the population died before the age of 5.
If you got above that age, you would like a normal life until 60+.
>Because we fricking died in our twenties?
>we
'you' are still dying in your twenties
haven't seen this uneducated moronic cattle opinion in ages
>womans opinion
i will be doing the opposite
This.
>that pic
This is an argument in womens favor and you don't even realize it.
You left me with a lot to ponder on anon
Yeah I’m 100% hateful misogynistic and it’s plain as day this israelite shit being called “progress” has progressed too far
>You vill live in ze mud hut
>You vill not farm
>You will eat ze bugs
>You will be happy
> forgetting justin trudeau in the poster
> forgetting Angela Mercel in poster
But I will not be happy if I own nothing and eat bugs.
Yes you vill
>implying they want people to live on land in their own homes
You are a midwit
>You vill eat the seed oils
>You vill accept digital currency
>You vill not hang us from lamp posts
Where is Justin Castreau?
Motherfricker needs to pay.
Romanticizing "simpler" (primitive) lifestyles is all fun and games until you realize you won't be able to shitpost online anymore.
also the lack of modern medicine
I don’t want or use modern medicine frick that israelite shit too
We're not talking about COVID vaccines you dimwit. We're talking about how the mortality rate use to be age 30 because people died from splinter infections, dysentery and smallpox, among an everlasting long list of shit our ancestors conquered through science.
I'm no liberal but thinking EVERY advancement humanity has made is a israeli conspiracy theory is low-IQ as frick.
>le people died at age le 30
this is a common misconception caused by faulty statistics. because childcare was dogshit back then, infant mortality was insanely high, and children in general were put in much more dangerous positions (such as being required to help hunt or farm or work), if you survived to adulthood you were probably going to make it to your mid-60s or 70s.
How did they frick up infant mortality so bad back then anyway? It seems absurd to us modern people. I assume they did the best with what they had, but what did they have?
>How did they frick up infant mortality so bad back then anyway?
Diseases and starvation mostly.
everyone was starving, nobody had a good diet, and childbirth was pulling a baby out of a dirty woman's snatch and cutting the umbilical cord with the same knife you cooked dinner with and never washed. they didn't wash their hands, they rarely bathed, stupid people thought diseases were divine punishment and smart people thought they were caused by ontologically evil patches of air.
>everyone was starving, nobody had a good diet
This was never the case universally. The health of a population changed throughout time and place. You really think armies of 1000s of people in fighting shape could be sustained if they were all starving all the time and eating mud?
>not everyone was starving you dipshit, the king wasn't starving, nor the people he hired to protect him
Quite literally not everyone was starving and quite literally some people had relatively good diets. Mortality was generally higher in the past due to a variety of factors, none of which require exaggeration to explain the mortality.
based autistic linguistic nuance non-understander
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pier_Gerlofs_Donia
This guy certainly wasn't getting enough to eat
My theory completely without evidence is that it was a natural check on the human population- the worlds population increased very slowly until child mortality rates were brought down. But I guess it really was just about hygiene practices, exposure to disease, and having enough food
Human birthing is quite possible the worst example of it in the animal kingdom and is only saved by our intelligence finally making it easier for us.
This isn't hyperbole, think about what ever single other mammal goes through.
>the mortality rate was 30
Coming off as a pretty low tier midwit anon, no offense. You mean the average lifespan was 30 years, not the ‘mortality rate’ (and it wasn’t that low for most of Europe even in the dark ages). And as
Pointed out that average was mostly due to child mortality rates. Plenty of peasants lived into their 60s and beyond. For the record I’m pro modern medicine especially for acute problems but that doesn’t mean it’s above criticism
>the mortality rate use to be age 30
Not only can't you write a proper sentence you can't even start to grasp what average means how child mortality affects it. Good job, you outed yourself as a below 70 IQ ape.
Your sentence structure is pretty stupid too anon.
I love when anons here try to tear each other down, I feel like a God watching you arrogant pathetic idiots argue amongst yourselves.
This is why I love seeing Blackpill threads, seeing whiny losers who won't accept help or advice suffer is pretty fricking satisfying.
>I feel like a God watching you arrogant pathetic idiots argue amongst yourselves.
No self-awareness.
>seeing whiny losers suffer is satisfying
And a sadist, too.
You really think you're so much better?
>being a liberal now means not being a backwards moron that shits on the loose umbrella term of “modern medicine”
This is why you’re losing.
This is really the biggest one IMO. I wouldn't mind roughing it for the rest of my life as long as I knew there was still medical treatments I could get.
Though funny enough, I think people living off the land, constantly being surrounded by your tribe, outside all day, would cause a drastic drop in medicine use compared to now.
No it wouldn't. Mankind forgot its lack of respect for bacteria and viruses. It's fricking obvious with gaypox and exploitation of the Manchu Flu
IDK anon. Black folk in grass huts in Africa like you seem to shitpost just fine on their OLPC machines
I would just shitpost at the town well
Nothing compares to being a part of a literal tribe.
Was thinking the same lol, or at least, humanity peaked with small wooden buildings and dirt roads like in the 1700's.
frick. you're right. no man made horrors beyond my comprehension.
Mostly agree, except there is one problem.
On a long enough timeline our sun will expand and kill all life on earth. so EVENTUALLY we must become a species that explores the stars and finds a new home planet. It's our destiny and necessity. Technological advancement is essential.
why...?
also the universe will one day run out of useable energy anyway
best to live a natural and proper life
Not in the way you imagine though
She literally agrees with NAMBLA, dude. Do your research.
>dude. Do your research.
wtf i love women now?
Sounds comfy. Instead we are slave-cattle to the international globalist banker elite.
>t.
Have sex. I'm a woman btw.
breasts or gtfo dumb slag
also opinion discarded cause woman
You will never be a woman, troony
YWNBAW
I have, I still hate women.
Even if you are who cares, this is an anymous posting board not instagram or facebook.
>woman having original opinion
she got it from a man tho, so its cool.
Bro she's regergitating 2021 reserach for tik tok likes.
How do I save my booodstream, bros?
Anon, did you not read the post? Don’t use sunscreen.
coconut oil
You can't really save it. Everything around us and everything we eat and drink is more or less toxic shit. The best you can do is limit how much you get of it. Since sun screen isn't something you actually need and can be replaced with simply spending less time in the sun, it's an easy thing to cut out.
store blood in jar then go out in sun.
use a zinc or a titanium dioxide based sunscreen ,
>titanium dioxide
homie what?
Give blood and plasma regularly. Your body will make new blood and it will dilute the quantity of shit you have in your blood
>start fly tipping all the crap in my blood into some kids veins when he needs a transfusion
not my problem
Mineral vegan sunscreens
sunscreen is basically the same as HRT so if you use it you're a troony
People who hate trannies are basically trannies.
theres hormones in vegetables, fruit and animal products, naturally. so if you eat, your basically not natty
Get a natural zinc based sunscreen, the one I have is 4 natural ingredients: Coconut oil, shea butter, beeswax and zinc oxide.
Just don’t be white lol
This lol, I love being black
You haven’t been in the sun if you haven’t been burnt and you’re a moron if you think radiation doesn’t affect you
you are prone to severe vitamin D deficiency and cyclic transferrence syndrome.
Dark skinned black guy here, I still put it on every now and then because my wife insists I need to. Kind of annoying tbqh, but I know she means well.
What's it like putting a BBC in a white woman?
porn goblin doesnt know the mandingos are made of rubber
Ahh yes, I'll just work in the sun all day in Australia and die.
Where long sleeve white with wide brim hat. It will keep you cooler too
She's right but if you're staying out in the sun over a long time (over 20 minutes) then put on sunscreen. Just avoid sunscreens with anything including benzene.
Good thing even when sunscreens get recalled for benzene, the levels and exposure rate is still so low that it's a joke compared with other sources of benzene exposure for the average westerner. Now, if you live in some shithole country and buy sunscreen made in the chemical plant down the street, things might be a little different. Just dont buy suncreen on alibaba.
I'm not going to wear sunscreen if I go for a frickin walk but if I'm gonna be exposed to the sun on a boat all day fishin I'm gonna put on sunscreen.
Zinc Oxide type is good.
Sure but I'd rather not look like like I'm made out of couch leather by 35. Don't give a shit if it's natural— it's ugly.
>Don't give a shit if it's natural— it's ugly.
Straight up female attitude
Why do you lift? Don't lie.
To impress other men.
To get stronger so that I can better protect and provide for my son
You’re a single dad or something?
You have no idea how much sun you have to take to get the leathery skin, we’re talking hours every day all summer for years
I'm 40, tanned for about 15 years, never with sunscreen. Skin is great, no wrinkles or folds on my face. The sun doesn't cause ageing, what causes ageing is the modern diet which damages normal DNA-repair and collagen synthesis pathways leading to damaged skin. If you eat enough high quality animal foods and avoid goyslop/goyslurp, you will age great.
It goes without saying that while the sun is healthy and everyone should get sun exposure without sunscreen, it isn't smart to overdo it to the point of burning. Nor is it smart to hide from the sun all year and then for 2 weeks in summer travel to somewhere with scorching sun. It has to be a consistent and sensible exposure throughout the year in your natural latitude.
tldr eat an animal based diet, ignore the vegan propaganda (they have the worst ageing of any diet), get consistent sun exposure without burning.
>no wrinkles or folds on my face.
Kek sure it doesn't you delusional moronic old loser, you probably aged like shit from the sun, stop coping old man
As long as you aren't out long enough to get burned, don't use sunscreen. The problem is morons today stay inside most of the year and get their face seared in the middle of summer and assume it's just because the sun is evil lmao.
The risk of skin cancer actually goes down with sun exposure. However, that stops being true if you consistently get burned. Burned skin = skin damage. What you want is to build up resistance to the sun slowly over time, making sure not to burn. That way you only get the benefits.
you're so fricking dumb
did this, got three skin cancers after one summer in the south. You cant accurately predict the UV exposure enough to not get sun (radiation) burns because the index is always changing. Plus, eveyone has different genes. Im part potato Black person so Im not suited to anything other than mist and sadness
It's true
I've unironically never used a sunscreen in my life and i've been in the sun for extended periods of time. My skin never peels, I just turn bronze/darker.
Not saying it's a good thing. I've been thinking about getting a daily moisturizer/SS combo. I'm getting older and I don't want it to catch up to me after all these years.
depends on the environment and your skin. if you're on the water, or there are no clouds, you'll burn quick. If you're in the water you'll burn even quicker because the water acts as a lens. Naturally dark people don't burn as easily as lighter people. I'm of fair complexion and went kayaking with my mother for mother's day, spent maybe 4 hours on the water in shorts with no sun screen, my legs were so severely sunburned that the doctor said it was "sun poisoning" and gave me a scrip for some Rx painkiller. Not fun, that was 2 years and change ago and my shins are still brownish.
ouch
TFW you have a thick layer of bodyhair all over your legs that acts as a natural sunscreen
I've been to the beach once and I had a sunburn all over that was so bad that one dude stopped walking and said "damn he red!"
I had to call in sick to work because I was having sweats and tremors for three days and that very evening I could start pulling skins all over my body, as in grab it and pull off an entire long piece on the side of my legs. It got so bad I was rubbing cold yogurt all over when I ran out of aloe cream. For three years you could still see the clothes I had been wearing that day because that area was pale and the rest was just scarred brown and it took ages for it to go away. Never doing that shit ever again. I could just grab a piece of skin and rip off the entire side of my shoulder.
hahah wow, I can't imagine being such a beach noob.
But fair enough I guess if you didn't grow up near a beach.
Lesson learned yes, I was peppa pig pink for a a week and a half.
sun damage is cumulative, but you have significantly increased your cancer risk with a single severe burn
it's okay, i never go outside anyways, i'll just hide away for the next 30 years so it'll even out
the source for this photo: just trust me bro
people that think you should avoid the sun and wear sunscreen are so indescribably stupid, almost as moronic as vegans. Literally just wear a hat and don't burn the shit out of yourself at midday
not that poster but this is the source for that photo
https://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/truck-driver-face-prematurely-aged-due-sun-damage-truck-driver-face-altered-unilateral-dermatoheliosis-article-1.1089706
why is this the only truck driver that ever gets posted? if it is so bad for your skin wouldn't we have tens of thousands of examples?
yes but he was the only one with a pernicious skin disease.
>lived in florida and was outside alot
I hardly used sunscreen when I was younger. 33 now with liver spots coming in. I regularly go in the get them removed.
>apply sunscreen
Living in Australia, the sky is very clear here
Our UV is through the roof and you can burn extremely easily
>israelite chemicals good
>sun bad
Okay, OP.
can you even read?
I just moved to a desert city. Should I start wearing sunscreen? I'm not white and I don't think I've ever gotten a sunburn in my life, but the sun is pretty intense out here and I don't want to look like a raisin in 10 years.
sunscreen plus some protective clothing like wide brim hat and sunglasses. you'll be fine. remember to drink plenty of water and to acclimatize your body to the heat.
yes. radiation damage from sun exposure is cumulative
>Suncreen is bad for you
heres the effect of the sun on a truck drivers face
You imbicile. It's not the effect of sun, but only of uva that her truck glass was transparent to. She wasn't getting uvb and near infra red light that give all the benefits. It's like eating only pure sugar and then claiming that fruits are bad for you.
>ut only of uva that her truck glass was transparent to. She wasn't getting uvb and near infra red light that give all the benefits
how do you know? or are you just making shit up, on the spot? do you know wether she drove with windows up or down?
It's litteraly said in the article where this pic was originally posted. You took it out of context and made a moronic conclusion
Shut the frick up
how can anyone be so stupid as to not understand this?
but uvb is only there for 5 hours a day while uva is there the whole time
>millions of truck drivers around the world
>only this one guy got this asymetrical aging
You morons will fall for anything.
My dad was a truck driver and I notice it in his arms, his arm he always had hanging out the window is thin as frick and always tears easy in comparison.
>avoiding the sun so you'll be less wrinkly when you're 80
imma be looking like im 30 when im 40, while youll be looking like your close to 50 at 40.
>I'll be 40 and concerned with how old I look
>imma settle for ugly overweight women, cause i look like shit.
mature people realise that looks and attraction is an important part of a healthy relationship and sex life
>I won't have found a wife before 40
>tries to grasp for anything he can, in desperation
>knows he wont get anything better than fat ugly women.
you cant tell green flags from red flags, so even if she starts out skinny, shell be fat by the time your 40
>if I don't look young when I'm old the roasties won't want to frick me
>I am bound to have no authority over my wife so she's going to turn obese
>the only way my wife can stay good looking is if I marry her when when I'll be dead before she's old
you can reach as hard as you want, youre still missing all your points. touch grass, incel
I just don't really get your point. You want to look young when you're old (which by itself is very understandable) but you're doing it because you think you won't get any good women if you don't? this is what I'm getting, but seriously curious as to what you really mean
if you look better, your pool of selection, in terms of women increases. yes, i know personality is the most important factor. but pretending looks doesnt matter is just wrong. especially for first impression.
the bigger the selection, the more probable you are to find a decent partner.
>what is skin cancer
Caused by seed oils, not the sun
I hope one day I can be as brain damaged as you
Akshually I dont conusme goybean oil so im not brain damaged
It’s your life bro
Impressive, now let's see his pufa intake.
>Female opinion
Into the trash it goes.
>Sunscreen is bad for you
no
Guys, please use sunscreen if you plan on being in the sun for more than 5 minutes!
sometimes i wish regular people didnt read research, cause most of them are too umb to analyse it.
Da joos
heres some actualy research
>https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/bjd.17980
"While the current evidence suggests no increased risk of skin cancer related to sunscreen use, this systematic review does not confirm the expected protective benefits of sunscreen against skin cancer in the general population."
btw i dont argue for sunscreen. but saying sunscreeen cause cancer is ridiculous
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/shopping/2022/07/31/banana-boat-sunscreen-recall-benzene/10196061002/
I shudder to think of what other companies have in their products
The rate of cancer has gone up because life expectancy has increased and the older you get the more likely you're to get cancer if you don't die to any other disease beforehand
that graph also doesnt factor in obesity, lack of sleep and lack of exercise. which are the major contributors to ALL cancers. among with other issues of modern lifestyle like never being in the sun, then suddenly get your whole body sunburned
correct for population pleez
https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations
i once had probably what another anon here referred to as 'sun poisoning'
i got back from a week at the beach/pool and my skin started leaking a clear watery liquid (eg my skin was cracking and moisture was seeping out). i kept itching the skin and it became enflamed and swollen. My hands swole up like balloons, and the skin was pulled so tight that even trying to move a finger would stretch the skin so much it would tear and cause insane pain. i rushed myself to hospital and nearly passed out in the ER room. the doctors didnt know what caused it but they just rounded it down to the sun as it was the only factor that could have caused it - i wasnt even sunburned.
last week in this euro heatwave i sat outside all day in fairly weak sun/cold beach and ive been burned head to toe since, with itching red and irritated skin keeping me awake all night this week. cant wait for it to frick off.
so yeah, im gonna limit my sun on hot days, going to either wear a tee shirt or slap a bit of suncream on. if im having to have a 'sun day', ill keep moving (so that all parts of my body take a bit of sun instead of sunbathing or sitting still where chest or back gets blasted) and im going to spend a signifigant amount of time in the shade between 11-3pm
you shouldve eating insane amounts of eggs. look up research on egg consumption and burn victims.
>i sat outside all day
Fricking moron
This happened to my dad
Lived in Spain for a bit and a wart looking thing on his foot ballooned to the size of a fist, had to get it leaked at a hospital
oh nice, sunscreen thread, I make my own here's my recipe.
45% coconut oil, 25% shea butter, 20% zinc oxide, 10% jojoba oil, toss these in a bowl above a pan of hot water to mix them and add whatever floral scent you want to it afterwards (they tend to evaporate if you do it while it's still warm)
here's it applied, doesn't stain but it's a little harder to apply than regular sunscreen and hairy areas i.e beard tend to be a pain but that's also the case with regular.
btw it takes literally 10 minutes to make and it's cheaper than any commercial brand.
nice gyno
>doesn't look like gyno in the least.
>add whatever floral scent
lavender is easy to grow and add, and smells wodnerful.
rosemary is also easy to grow, but I was using wood scents and they're a pain to extract at this point of the year because the sap stream slows down around the summer solstice, that's also why we trim hedges around this time of the year.
(arm was applied in this picture)
anyway, for larger batches you basically just add shea butter at 50% the quantity of the amount of coconut oil you used, jojoba oil at 10% of the total quantity you have (this one isn't super important you can get away with just coconut butter and shea butter with zinc) and then add zinc oxide at 20%+ the total volume of what you've got, the zinc is the deciding factor in how much protection it gives, the more you use the higher the factor but it also becomes increasingly hard to apply.
don't use micronized zinc, that shit gets into your skin and bloodstream (but it's easier to apply and most commercial sunscreens use this)
you can easily order all of this shit online, a lot of women make their own make up and this is all sold by the same vendors.
by the way even without the herbal scents it still smells pretty nice and all of these products are good for your skin.
I've worn it on a hot summer day at work (35C) and didn't burn.
oh and if you've got leftovers, most of these oils can be used as a moisturizer even during winter.
I ordered 50 bucks worth of raw product to make sunscreen and I've got enough to make like 200 worth of sunscreen.
at the quantity at which you use it for scent it's probably not going to do much but you can just avoid it, you'd have to be using the raw oil on your skin for that.
basil, clove, citrus, garlic, fennel, lemongrass, oregano, rosemary, and thyme have demonstrated significant antifungal activity against a broad range of fungal human pathogens.
homemade moisturizer is superior to store bought. we made it in chemistra class, when i were in school. and all the girls said its better than store bought ones. it was litterally 3 ingredients
it has some minor issues like oil separation (you need to shake it a little before applying) that's what a lot of the compounds in commercial mixes are for, to prevent that.
it's funny how easy it is to make a good product considering how bad for your skin commercial products are.
and you can just make smaller batches, more often to avoid the issue of it spoiling
mirin'
gayggot
hmmm i might try this anon thanks, idk if i need it tho i just apply some coconut oil and can stay out in the sun for hours and i just tan
lavender can be an endocrine disruptor i think
Are you the same anon that posted the literal fish bait?
Captcha: nygr8g
yes, I found all of them while snorkeling.
plan on making a wind-chime with them eventually.
Mooi man, waar in NL woon je?
>oil
>oil
>oil
>zinc
This Black person is just getting cooked alive lmao
all sunscreens are primarily oil, the same goes for almost all skin care products.
Sounds nice anon, thanks. I'll generally use coconut oil or zinc sunscreen but that sounds like a good middle ground. Zinc susncreen doesn't fully rub in and makes you look like a dork unfortunately.
the elites fear the mommy blogger + right wing bodybuilder coalition
slow and gradual exposure is linked to reduce risks of skin cancer even without sunscreen, the only time the sun is bad for you is if you over expose and get burnt so... dont get burnt. also if you think about it most people who get issues from the sun use sunscreen. Because they go from being inside an office for most hours of the day most days then go on holiday and stay in direct sunlight for 4 hours straight and wonder why they burn.
Diet also plays a lot into if the sun is good or bad, if you have a diet high in oxidising inflamatory foods like seed oils and sugars the suns oxidative stress will affect you infinitely more. Whilst on the other hand a generally healthy, whole foods diet with a lot of anti-oxidants causes protection, so basically its an excuse to drink coffee and eat dark chocolate.
In conclusion, gradually build up your exposure to the sun as the body increases melanin which is natural, non toxic, sunscreen. Take frequent breaks, make sure to stay hydrated and use something like coconut oil if needed as it hydrates the skin and the fat reflects a tiny bit of sun.
meant to say refined sugars btw, natural sugars are good
>iet also plays a lot into if the sun is good or bad, if you have a diet high in oxidising inflamatory foods like seed oils and sugars the suns oxidative stress will affect you infinitely more.
brought to you by broscience and middle aged mom health advice
this is science, the fact you question these basic mechanisms such as oxidative stress means you are wholly uneducated
thanks for the info on the anti fungal shit thats interesting, coconut oil itself is also anti bacterial so, can use it as mouthwash aha.
>this is science
you psoted absolutely no sources and just claim its science. cause you dont actually read decent research. imma bet if you do, its mice studies.
why dont you post your "scientific sources" ?
why dont you tell me how what i said is wrong, id be so interested to hear your disection!
yes thats why you have a healthy diet rich in anti oxidants you fricking moron, also my point was to expose yourself to the sun so whats your point here? worst gotcha ever
you still dont provide any actual evidence for your ludacris claims. Cause you dont actually have any and just made up the claim that "oxidising inflamatory foods like seed oils and sugars the suns oxidative stress will affect you infinitely more"
>yes thats why you have a healthy diet rich in anti oxidants you fricking moron
Yet suplementation of antioxidants have litterally no effect on health. if the reason was antioxidants we would se a dose response and health when suplemented
>https://journals.lww.com/co-clinicalnutrition/Abstract/2014/01000/Antioxidant_supplements_and_mortality.7.aspx
Antioxidant supplements do not possess preventive effects and may be harmful with unwanted consequences to our health, especially in well-nourished populations. The optimal source of antioxidants seems to come from our diet, not from antioxidant supplements in pills or tablets.
The health benefits from whole foods isnt due to antioxidants. antioxidant consumption, through food is just an indirect way of measuring whole foods intake. The same way fiber studies is an indirect way of measuring plant intake. this would be obvious to you, if you read research
>from our diet, not from antioxidant supplements in pills or tablets.
i never said to take supplaments you fricking eejit i literally mentioned having coffee and dark chocolate HAHAAHAHAHA
>The health benefits from whole foods isnt due to antioxidants
i never said that holy shit, you really are brain dead
>i never said to take supplaments you fricking eejit i literally mentioned having coffee and dark chocolate HAHAAHAHAHA
litterally dodged my point.
>i never said that holy shit, you really are brain dead
then why did you bring up anti-oxidants, like they do? If they didnt matter you wouldnt mention them at all. perfect example of cognitive dissonance
>then why did you bring up anti-oxidants, like they do? If they didnt matter you wouldnt mention them at all. perfect example of cognitive dissonance
the anti oxidant point and eating healthy whole foods point were completely separate.
and the anti oxidant point was to show how they help to reduce oxidative stress, which will protect from sun damage, please try to dispute this id love to see because its basic science
>and the anti oxidant point was to show how they help to reduce oxidative stress, which will protect from sun damage
>which will protect from sun damage
yet you posted actual no evidence for this. cause its made up bullshit.
ionizing radiation causes molecules to ionize
ionization is a process in which molecules gain a negative or positive (unstable) charge
this instability causes them to react with other molecules in order to achieve stability
ionizing radiation causes a significant amount of ionization within the body. considering the body is 70% water, a significant amount affects water.
antioxidants serve as a sponge to ionized molecules; the source of ionization is not important
therefore antioxidant compounds can help protect against the ionizing radation from the sun. however, this effect is dose dependent, no human can consume enough antioxidants to protect you like sunscreen can.
your definition of a credible source is absolutely ridiculous. just glancing over the issue with an insane oversimplification of what happens in the body. we all had chemistry 101, but that isnt enough to explain all the complex pathways and systems in the body. Can you post an actual source now for your claim? Cause i cant find any research on google scholar where it says dietary antioxidants decrease the risk of sunburn.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2990475/
>open research, search for anything related to sun or ionizing radiation. Nothing on risk of sunburn, or how antioxidants affects radiation.
>all points about ionizing radiation are about inflamatory responses, protein, lack of oxygen and pathways
like a said. nothing to support that antioxidant intake reduce the risk of sunburn. it didnt even mention dietary antioxidants and dammage from ionizing radiation. it does mention antioxidants, but nothing on how consumption of it affects the antioxidant system.
but its a good research paper on the topic of cancer, so imma save it
forgot to add, breathing oxygen causes oxidative stress. you litterally learned a basic function and just ran with it.
antioxidant theory has never been proven. In fact, giving people beta carotene supplements caused harm and early death. Inflammation is essential for cell destruction, antioxidants protect cells that are supposed to die.
might be true, it contains metals which can be toxic depending on the quantity, also the cream itself can clog up your pores and cause irritations.
it's a lot of "may be/could happen" so it's gonna depend a lot on the person and other factors.
she's right about limiting sun exposure though, that shit ruins your skin in the long run
If you're concerned about skin cancer, limit your time in the sun for 20 minutes, wear sunscreen if you're in the sun for longer periods of time, wear sleeves, a hat, avoid going out unprotected from 10 AM to 4 PM when the sun's at its peak, wear a hat, and if you're driving for long periods of time, wear protective clothing and consider tinting your window. I used to not give a shit about sun damage because my family of farmers have had no history of skin cancer, but then I remembered I know nothing about the other side of my family and started taking precautions when I noticed all of the moles I developed over the years. Check your body for moles while miring yourself and if any moles appear, monitor it and see if it grows.
i got more moles from being sedentary, during a year of depression than i did with any amount of suntime
If you have to work outside all day you gotta wear sunscreen or else you'll fry your skin, not everyone is a spoiled princess.
Sunscreen protects only against uvb which guves lots of benefits and is low risk in terms of cancer. It doesn't protect against uva
yes because
1 im supposed to believe a woman
2 im supposed to believe someone selling me something
3 im supposed to believe a woman selling me something (these effects are synergistic together and not additive thus this deseves its own point)
4 sunscreen is not bad for you despite what some random uneducated thot is telling you
5 im white and my skin isnt meant to have sun exposure the way it's fashionable
6 i'd like to see someone explain what exatly is bad in the sunscreen and how it damages you from a molecular pathophysiologcal perspective
> sunscreen is not bad for you despite what some random uneducated thot is telling you
see
>The effect of sunscreen on vitamin D: a review
FROM THE VERY ARTICLE YOU LINKED
Regular sunscreen use
can prevent skin cancer(6,7) and is one of the most common sun protection strategies used.(8,9)
Objectives
We aimed to review the literature to investigate associations between sunscreen use and vitamin D3 or 25 hydroxyvitamin D [25(OH)D] concentration.
There is little evidence that sunscreen decreases 25(OH)D concentration when used in real-life settings, suggesting that concerns about vitamin D should not negate skin cancer prevention advice. However, there have been no trials of the high-SPF sunscreens that are now widely recommended.
The theoretical counterpoint to the benefits of sunscreen may be an increase in the risk of vitamin D
deficiency. In people exposed to adequate solar UV radiation, the primary source of vitamin D is
UVB-induced conversion of 7-dehydrocholesterol in the skin to pre-vitamin D3. After skin synthesis
vitamin D3 is hydroxylated in the liver to form 25 hydroxy vitamin D (25(OH)D), the primary
circulating form of vitamin D and the indicator of vitamin D status. 25(OH)D is then converted,
primarily in the kidney, to 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D (1,25(OH)2D), the biologically active form which
plays pivotal roles in calcium homeostasis and has a range of other effects.
Please explain to me how this paper is relevant or suggests in fact the exact opposite of what was stated by the posters here, that sunscreen is unrelated related to skin cancer,
i imagine you all as drooling knuckledragging morons
i never said sunscreen is good for you, i jsut refuted the moronic notion its bad for you. cause it seems to have little to no positives or negatives. Why dont you try to read what i actually write, instead of spinning it in your head like a blue haired feminist
>Be a toddler
>Mom thought it was just so cute to let me play outside in the sun for multiple hours in shorts and no shirt and NO SUNSCREEN
I'm so angry about this. I accrued so much fricking IRREVERSABLE damage to my skin as a helpless child because someone thought it was "cute"
I am absolutely seething
You moron. Thank her for having healthy levels of vitamin D for bone growth and other shit.
You are cursing a blessing because some israelite told you le sun is bad, microplastics smothered on your skin good.
>you have to get an exponentially higher risk of aggressive skin cancer, ugly hyperpigmentation, and become wrinkled 10 years early to pwn da joos
get a grip
i dont easily tan, every summer i was allowed to burn to the point of peeling skin, multiple times.
>the health of my body and the structure of my bones
>or unproven claims about myu skin beauty peddled by israelites selling me microplastics in lotion form
HMMMMMMMMMM
I can tell you were malnourished by your low IQ, but normal people get vitamin D from their diet, not being neglected in the sun, you stupid fricking Black person.
>normal people get vitamin D from their diet not from the sun
>being out in the sun is NEGLECT!
lol go ahead rub the finest particles of microplastics on your skin
Go rub your brains on the wall with a shotgun
>this makes the israelite seethe with rage if you dont rub microplastics on your skin to block out vitamin D
not the guy youre talking too, but if you think you get enough D3 from your diet, then youre moronic.
>Another study found that 30 minutes of midday summer sun exposure in Oslo, Norway was equivalent to consuming 10,000–20,000 IU of vitamin D
Recommended daily intake for a child is 400IU. It would have been sufficient to walk to the car once a day, and you brainrotted /misc/Black folk think I was lucky to be perpetually sunburned for 6 months a year
I live in Norway. we dont have enough sun 65% of the year. cause were fully dressed. we dont walk around naked. nor is 400IU optimal dosing. thats litterally the dose you need to not experience severe vitamin D deficiency
>https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1403494814541593
"Results are presented from 475 boys and 415 girls (15–18 years old) with available blood samples. A total of 60.2% had vitamin D deficiency or insufficiency (serum 25(OH)D <50 nmol/l), 16.5% were deficient (<25 nmol/l) and 1.6% had severe vitamin D deficiency (<12.5 nmol/l)."
we have vitamin D fortified foods, yet most are deficient. youre absolutely moronic
This is an issue far north and far south on the globe
Cool, I don't live in Norway, I live in the US and I sure as frick wasn't vitamin D deficient.
Ever heard of something called moderation? Maybe you don't need to keep the kids locked in the basement OR let them play outside for 6 hours in a 10 UV index sun with no shirt or sunscreen? Maybe tell your kid to put on a shirt? Maybe put on some sunscreen? It's so fricking stupid that you people are arguing that I was not harmed by this, and the reason is because youre incels, and this is just another thing you want to blame for you not getting any pussy.
>Maybe you don't need to keep the kids locked in the basement OR let them play outside for 6 hours in a 10 UV index sun with no shirt or sunscreen?
ive not said anything about this at all, lol. thats your argument with another dude. i just stated that your argument about getting enough vitamin D from the diet is bullshit, the levels of 400UI is too low for optimal health, and the study you posted, about sun, in norway. doesnt make sense in the real world
>RDI for Vitamin D
it's more like minimum vitamin D to not skeletally collapse
healthy ranges are at least in the high thousands, sunlight absolutely nukes the body with vitamin D, it's something insane like 20000IU in half an hour of normal sun
what kind of damage you fricking sperg. having a few hyperpigmentation spots is normal.
Damage occurs when you jump from no sun to mediterranean beaches in a single day, ie. what happens to office workers on holidays.
If you are outside all of the time and your body has time to get accustomed to the sun with the seasons, there are no problems.
do u have cute freckles now anon
>ITT: tanlets
>zinc is bad for you
>radiation is good for you
Lol
the sun is god's benevolent presence on the physical plane. your ability to tolerate sunlight is directly proportionate to your nearness to god. hence the australian skin cancer rates
just don't dress like a prostitute
What ingredients are bad in sunscreen and what do they do?
Just cover up and wear a broad brimmed hat. It's cooler to wear long sleeves anyway. Sunscreen is totally unnecessary.
>Just cover up and wear a broad brimmed hat. It's cooler to wear long sleeves anyway
Imagining the sights of IST posters going out in the sun in the heat wearing a wide brimmed hat, long sleeves, long pants, very funny visual.
[citation needed]
She’s right.
I only use sunscreen that has organic components and is not dangerous for ocean life. The only problem is that shit is expensive so when I run out of it, I just avoid exposing too much. Not big deal.
Just buy lightweight but non-sheer long clothing and a hat.
Why wouldn't the toxins be cleansed from your body in hours or days?
Just use mineral one if you are such a pussy that you fear a few chemicals lmao
Let everyone toast their butthole under the sun
30's is around the corner
You should put sunscreen on your face but realistically you dont need it on the rest of your body
>YOU KNOW THAT THING THAT IS PROVEN AND EFFECTIVE! IT'S ACTUALLY THE OPPOSITE! BE SURE TO LIKE FOLLOW AND SUB TO MEEEEEEEE CUS IM SO SMART!
>an estimated 197,700 cases of deadly sun-damage-related skin cancer (melanoma) will be diagnosed in the U.S. in 2022
>0.05% of the population
>99% survival rate if caught early
>only at risk of developing it after getting many actual sunburns, or using a tanning bed
Okay?
>muh sun-damaged skin!
Why I should give a frick about getting wrinkles as I age? Pure vanity.
so you can mog all the wrinkly homosexuals younger than you.
>Pure vanity
Ugly coping loser
I don't really wear sunscreen too much. If I'm out in the sun when you're getting the most direct sunlight I typically just make sure to wear a hat and appropriate clothes to limit exposure. I usually go to the pool in the afternoon so 3 PM onward and don't wear sunscreen and have yet to get sunburnt and I'm white as absolute frick and don't really tan too much.
I don’t wear it when I go running shirtless
I work in construction, its sunscreen or sun cancer
>sunscreen is bad for you
>go into the daily fit sunscreen thread
>"dude look at this data, is shows that people who use more sunscreen are more likely to get melanoma and other skin cancers, sunscreen is the cause bro!"
>doesn't take into account the fact that the people who go into the sun more often are the ones more likely to use sunscreen
>immediately just say DUDE IT'S THE SUNSCREEN CAUSING THE CANCER BRO
>the board where every poster went to college and frequently post-graduate degrees for science, engineering, computer shit because everyone is a rich genius scientist are unable to correctly analyze scientific data
Wear mineral sunscreen then moron. It uses zinc and titanium oxide rather than the chemical shit that seeps into your skin like oxybenzone
I don't wear sunscreen that often, usually only if I'm going to the beach or pool, or if it's 90+ degrees the UV index is super high and I'm planning on being out for a long time. But I'm not against it in principle. It's just a pain in the ass to apply all the time and get the white cast off.
This is actually true. Majority of sun screen products contains harmful chemicals, however there are plenty of brands that doesn't and are completely fine, so just buy those brands. I use La Roche Posays sunscreens. Spent summer in spain during the heatwave using a 30spf la roche posay sunscreen and never got burnt. Meanwhile my friends used 50spf shit sunscreens and got burnt to a crisp.
i do outdoor sports officiating and all referees use sunscreen. most use that meme spray though. i only use the lotion and its relatively expensive but i just got a huge bottle of the walmart brand thats half the price of even amazon third party brand so hopefully it works well