T Colin Campbell/Ornish diet

>one of the most renowned nutrition scientists alive
>healthy 88 year old
>believes in eating 80% carbs, 10% protein, 10% fat
>All from plant sources
Does he have a point or is this just nonsense? I have no idea how a body can recover and maintain itself with like 50g protein and 20g fat per day when those are the two actually essential macros but you need to eat loads of the non essential macro? Idk I guess it works for him but I just waste away if I try to eat like this

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >ADRENOCHROME
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  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Nobody cares what you think. Hes healed tons of people. They'd all be dead if you were right, which you arent

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      No need to get defensive he's not your boyfriend
      I just don't understand how he would be right

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You dont have to. He can be right without you understanding it

        https://i.imgur.com/nT0YX53.png

        100% plant-based is very difficult to do correctly and can lead to certain deficiencies. Like iron, B12, certain animal proteins.

        A better choice is 90% plant-based with 4-6 oz. of fish, raw cheese/milk, or pastured eggs 3x a week.

        >t. former vegan of 4 years

        You cannot become deficient in animal protein

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          So I have to troost the experts huh, can't even ask a very basic and obvious question

          he has a point for normies who just want to be skinny and live for a long time
          not a good diet for anyone lifting weights obviously

          But you've got to lift weights if you want to live a long time in a strong body and sound mind so

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The oldest people who ever lived didn't lift weights

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Reading comprehension homie

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >You cannot become deficient in animal protein
          I'm not going to debate you on this. You aren't talking to a ketolard strawman but someone who has actually done a vegan diet for years.

          If you do not carefully source your protein and consciously include it in your diet, you are bound to become deficient in one or another type of protein.

          And the issue is not that you won't get any, it's that you won't get them in the right ratios that your body needs unless you're aware of it.

          You also need DHA/EPA from fish unless you consume copious amounts of flax seed oil, which can have estrogenic effects. I won't even mention soi because that's a poison.

          Ignore my advice if you want. You'll end up with anemia and low libido like the rest of us before you learn.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            > claims to be vegan
            > parrots the soi myth created by literally two case studies and never repeatedly else where
            Good one ketard in disguise

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              look up vegan infertility compilations. That's where you're headed if you continue down this path.

              And don't say I didn't warn you

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Another myth pushed by the carnitards

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Adding -tard on to the end of a noun isn't a valid argument you know?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I eat flax meal on my oatmeal, pretty based way to get sufficient fat (and good fats) on a vegan diet

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    no matter what the important thing is to not eat too much

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    100% plant-based is very difficult to do correctly and can lead to certain deficiencies. Like iron, B12, certain animal proteins.

    A better choice is 90% plant-based with 4-6 oz. of fish, raw cheese/milk, or pastured eggs 3x a week.

    >t. former vegan of 4 years

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    he has a point for normies who just want to be skinny and live for a long time
    not a good diet for anyone lifting weights obviously

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It works the best for keeping you alive the longest, protein digestion is pretty taxing on your kidneys over the years. You're gonna be skelly mode the entire time though. The diet's like putting your body on battery saving mode

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah this is what I found, felt "clean" but lost both fat and muscle and ended up with back pain just doing regular shit let alone exercising because of how weak you get

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    > I have no idea how a body can recover and maintain itself with like 50g protein
    Because protein consumption higher than that is a ruse most have fallen for.

    That amount is essentially what all developed countries came to when creating nutritional guidelines in the 1950s. It was deemed to be an adequate quantity when a significant portion of the population were engaged in physical labour in factories or agriculture.

    The high protein myth was created by lying bodybuilders and actors attributing their physiques to fake diets. It was further encouraged by corporations who shill their products based on high protein levels. This was further propagated by weirdos who associate high protein consumption with manliness (the same people who call cardio gay and think drinking beer makes them a tough guy).

    Since then the evidence tells us that our bodies only synthesise about 20grams at a time, which fits the model of three meals a day meaning that most people only utilise about 60grams a day. Any excess consumed in these meals is just pissed out.

    Protein deficiency is simply not encountered at all outside of a very few cancer wards for people with specific malignancies.

    Even extremely restrictive vegans (such as fruitarians) who end up hospitalised by their diets are suffering because of another deficiency. We’re just not seeing protein deficiency anywhere.

    Muscle building is a slightly different topic but literally everyone on fit could drop their protein consumption by half and it would not make a difference.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >the body just dumps nutrients that sit in the digestive system for 24 hours and they can't be absorbed at all
      even if we were gonna assume that the body needs that little protein, it's fricking moronic to assume it wouldn't absorb most of it as it passes through

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        We absorb it and piss out the excess anon

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          False. In a healthy human being urine contains little to no protein.

          Proteinuria is a symptom of renal failure, vey often associated with diabetes.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      "muh deficiency" is mostly a meme anyway except in a few well known situations like B12. McDougall was right when he said we live in age where the problem with diet is excess, not deficiency. We're hardwired from our monkey days to respond to the threat of starvation and not the threat of nutrient overload from excess consumption, availability, or fortification. This results in moronic arguments like fatasses having "micronutrient deficiencies" because of their goyslop diet as though that's more likely to kill them than the diabetes

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        We're on a board where people need to eat "in excess" of the 2000 lmaocals because we're young lads trying to get strong
        I've also witnessed firsthand how megadosing stuff like D3/K2 can improve you so deficiency is no meme
        I guess I'll just rec this diet to sedentary boomers but ignore it myself

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I saw very good gains when I increased my protein intake from 50 g a day to 100 g and then to 150 g.

      Anyone can do the experiment, just eat high protein for a month or two and see if you get results or not.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    A child doesn't grow because the child eats. Food supports the growth that is already there. If nutrition is somewhat, but not too much lacking, the body will find a way to get what it needs anyway. Likewise, protein doesn't build muscle, but supports the response to training. However, a truly skinny person of the type that is often ridiculed will not have much of a training response anyway. People that get very muscular with lots of meat are talented to begin with and justify their luck by ridiculing skinny people by saying they're not eating enough animal protein. It's like Chad saying to the Incel that he needs more game.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Anti proteeners are also genetics blaming incels...
      Even more reason to ignore, thank you

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >be mr skelly for the last 40 years of your life
    I'd rather die at 60 of stroke like a man

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      very easy to say when you're young and moronic

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >have stroke
      >be trapped inside a husk of yourself for the next 10 years
      so manly bro

      We absorb it and piss out the excess anon

      that makes no sense dude, maybe a 5'2 skelly woman doesn't need that much protein but anyone who's moderately active and not looking to be skin and bones needs more. The body wouldn't just get rid of nutrients it needs.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >trapped
        I said die homosexual stop pulling whatabouts out your ass

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        False. In a healthy human being urine contains little to no protein.

        Proteinuria is a symptom of renal failure, vey often associated with diabetes.

        > muscle protein synthesis is maximized in young adults with an intake of ~20–25 g of a high-quality protein; anything above this amount is believed to be oxidized for energy or transaminated to form urea and other organic acids.
        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5828430/

        Again, protein deficiency isn’t seen anywhere. Find me some disease statistics about its occurrence.

        ~~*Someone*~~ tricked you into spending excessive money on protein because they told you it was manly and you need it

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Did you even read that paper? The authors are explicitly debunking the line you quoted!

          Their conclusion is:

          Based on the current evidence, we conclude that to maximize anabolism one should consume protein at a target intake of 0.4 g/kg/meal across a minimum of four meals in order to reach a minimum of 1.6 g/kg/day. Using the upper daily intake of 2.2 g/kg/day reported in the literature spread out over the same four meals would necessitate a maximum of 0.55 g/kg/meal.

          For a 80 kg person that's 128 - 176 g per day. Not 20 - 25 g

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly with senolytics and stem cells and shit I could probably live off of doughnuts and pepsi and live longer than this gremlin. Sorry you were born too late to enjoy life old man.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Carnivore diet:
    >we caveman and shiieet
    >human hunt eat meat all time history
    >look at this Sv3rige video bro!!
    >look at this picture of malnourished vegan!!

    Plant based diet:
    >facts
    >analysis
    >scientific data
    >scientific consensus

    Processed foods are bad for you. This is the middle ground, however, as a biologist who has done actual research on the matter, the data is quite clear that plant based diet is superior when it comes to health. LDLs are bad for you, the data on this is very clear.

    There's no magic ingredients in animal products, theoretically you can have perfectly optimal human diet completely plant based nowadays.

    However, the problem lies within individuality, some people require more fat heavy diet and others guts prefer more fiber heavy diets. I'm one of the latter, my stomach was working perfectly when I tried vegan diet for few months. Though, I fricking hate vegan food so I started to eat however I wish once again.

    Didn't lift back then so can't tell how lifting and veganism goes together from personal experience. Though, I have one vegan acquaintance who has lifted for a few years and he seems to be making more than decent progress and has no visible health issues whatsoever, he has been vegan for 8 years if I recall correctly. Then there's plenty of vegan athletes, strong men and bodybuilders, doing impressive stuff.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Baboumian still takes protein powder

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    He just happens to have lived that long, as have millions of others who ate meat, smoked cigarettes, drank daily, etc. who aren't selling you on a diet that doesn't do more than any other diet.
    It's not a good plan, it's just another vegangay selling point, so take that for what it's worth.

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I love to see morons arguing about how you don't need that much protein in your diet
    I just like yo imagine that for hundreds of thousands of years before agriculture and history humans were eating meat and fat amd their bodies screaming at them
    >NOOOOOO moron I don't need more than 20g a day
    kek
    imagine believing that after millions of years of eating other animals the human body the peak of evolution has a hard time adapting to process more than 20g of protein at a time

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    if your diet needs supplements then it's not optimal

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