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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I was born in a Catholic country but JW just resonates with me more

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Ephesians 4: 13-14. Not saying you have to be Catholic, but do not turn your back on Christ.

      • 1 month ago
        Friendly neighborhood JW

        We follow the teachings and example of Jesus Christ and honor him as our Savior and as the Son of God. (Matthew 20:28; Acts 5:31)

        I was born in a Catholic country but JW just resonates with me more

        You are welcome to start a Bible or attend our meetings freely if you want :3

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          But do you acknowledge Christ as God?

          • 1 month ago
            Friendly neighborhood JW

            “My Father is greater than I [Jesus].”—John 14:28.

            “I [Jesus] ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God.”—John 20:17.

            “To us there is but one God, the Father.”—1 Corinthians 8:6.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              So, yes or no, you deny Christ’s divinity. You deny He is eternal with the Father. Yes or no.

              • 1 month ago
                Friendly neighborhood JW

                >So, yes or no, you deny Christ’s divinity

                I do believe in Jesus' divinity. That is what verses like John 1:1 or Isaiah 9:6 say.

                However I believe that the Father alone is Almighty God. Jesus never claimed to be equal to God. Instead, Jesus worshipped God. (Luke 22:41-44)

                >You deny He is eternal with the Father.

                The expression “Son of God” acknowledges that God is the Creator, or Source, of all life, including that of Jesus. (Psalm 36:9; Revelation 4:11)

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
                Rev 1:17 I am the Alpha (beginning) and the Omega (end)

                You now have no claim of ignorance. When Christ confronts you on denying He is God, you will have no excuse. I pray you will accept this before He returns or before you go to His judgement seat.

              • 1 month ago
                Friendly neighborhood JW

                >John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

                In what sense are they "one" ? In the sense "one God" ? That's not what he said

                We do have a clue of what he meant though. Later, Jesus PRAYED that his disciples could “ALL BE ONE,” just as he and his Father ARE ONE.—John 17:20-23

                In what sense were his disicples were to be ONE ? In the sense of unity, cohesion. They had to work together as a team, just as Jesus and God are working in unison.

                >Rev 1:17 I am the Alpha (beginning) and the Omega (end)

                Revelation 1:17 says no such thing

                https://biblehub.com/revelation/1-17.htm

                >You now have no claim of ignorance. When Christ confronts you on denying He is God, you will have no excuse. I pray you will accept this before He returns or before you go to His judgement seat.

                “My Father is greater than I [Jesus].”—John 14:28.

                “I [Jesus] ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God.”—John 20:17.

                “To us there is but one God, the Father.”—1 Corinthians 8:6.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I am the Alpha (beginning) and the Omega (end)
                You’re correct, I put down the wrong verse. It’s Rev 22:13. But it is in there. My error doesn’t erase it. If Christ is the beginning, He is God. And, I’m sorry to embarrass you this way, but:
                John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
                Read the rest of the chapter. You cannot deny Christ is God. Or if you do, you are being willfully ignorant.

              • 1 month ago
                Friendly neighborhood JW

                >You’re correct, I put down the wrong verse. It’s Rev 22:13. But it is in there. My error doesn’t erase it. If Christ is the beginning, He is God.

                “The Alpha and the Omega” refers to Jehovah God, the Almighty, in all three times this term occurs in the Bible.—Revelation 1:8; 21:6; 22:13. Not Jesus.

                >John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

                Actually, a better translation would be:
                “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was *a* god.”

                >Read the rest of the chapter. You cannot deny Christ is God

                The statement “the Word was with God” indicates that two separate persons are discussed in the verse.
                It is NOT possible for the Word to be “with God” and at the same time be God Almighty!

                The context also confirms that the Word is not Almighty God:
                John 1:18 states that “no man has seen God at any time.” However, people did see the Word, Jesus, for John 1:14 states that “the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory.”

                >Or if you do, you are being willfully ignorant.

                The problem with your point of view is that you ascribe supremacy to someone else than the Lord of the universe, and that is idolatry, one of the worst sins anyone can commit.

                It's good that you believe Jesus is worthy of honor, but you are making the grave error of overexalting the Son on the same level as the Father.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >a better translation
                This is what I expected. I know how your people work. You are replying exactly the way you were trained to.
                >It is NOT possible for the Word to be “with God” and at the same time be God Almighty!
                It is the Trinity, which you deny. You are trying to understand an eternal God with a finite mind, that’s why you claim it is impossible. But there is no further point in this conversation. Anything I say will be met with “a better translation” or “what it ACTUALLY says.” All I can do is pray you see truth before your soul is called before Christ the King of kings.

              • 1 month ago
                Friendly neighborhood JW

                >This is what I expected. I know how your people work. You are replying exactly the way you were trained to.

                I am not a Greek expert, so let's see what Greek experts says.

                While many Bible translators render the verse to say that the word is God, others see the need to render it differently. In the original-language text, the two occurrences of “God” (Greek, the·osʹ) at John 1:1 are grammatically different.

                In the first occurrence, the word “God” is preceded by the Greek definite article, while the article does not appear before the second occurrence. Many scholars note that the absence of the definite article before the second the·osʹ is significant.

                For example, The Translator’s New Testament says regarding this absence of the article: “In effect it gives an adjectival quality to the second use of Theos (God) so that the phrase means ‘The Word was divine.’” (The Translator’s New Testament, page 451.)

                Other scholars and Bible translations point to this same distinction.

                Scholar Jason David BeDuhn states that the absence of the definite article makes the two occurrences of “God” “as different as ‘a god’ is from ‘God’ in English.” He adds: “In John 1:1, the Word is not the one-and-only God, but is a god, or divine being.”—Truth in Translation: Accuracy and Bias in English Translations of the New Testament, pages 115, 122, and 123.

                >It is the Trinity, which you deny. You are trying to understand an eternal God with a finite mind, that’s why you claim it is impossible. But there is no further point in this conversation. Anything I say will be met with “a better translation” or “what it ACTUALLY says.” All I can do is pray you see truth before your soul is called before Christ the King of kings.

                The God of the Bible is never described as being part of a Trinity.

                “Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.”—Deuteronomy 6:4.

                “God is only one.”—Galatians 3:20.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                This is what happens when you are sola scriptura and you ignore the teachings of the church fathers. You are one step away from dyeing your hair blue and marrying a man. You may pick apart John 1:1, but that is where the other context of the chapter sheds light on the identity of Christ. See John 1:18, John 20:28.

              • 1 month ago
                Friendly neighborhood JW

                The "sola scriptura" principle says that the Bible, being inspired and complete, should be the only guide we need, and that any teachings or traditions that go against the Bible must be rejected. This was a reaction of Protestants against all the lies and traditions practiced by the Catholic church. And we as Jehovah's Witnesses of course agree with this idea: Our guide must be the Bible, not any human traditions.

                On the other hand, the "sola scriptura" principle goes on to say that every individual must read the Bible and reach his own conclusions with the help of the holy spirit, without any church or authority interpreting it. We don't fully agree with this point.

                While we encourage everyone to read and study the Bible, we also are aware that we need the help of the Faithful and Discreet Slave to understand some passages and to be united in our beliefs.

                >John 1:18
                >No one has ever yet seen God. The only begotten God, the One being in the bosom of the Father, He has made Him known.
                >John 20:28
                >Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

                The word 'god' can describe several characters in the Bible, with various senses and in various degrees.

                'God' (El/Theos) basically means "powerful one".

                It can be used of angels (Psalm 8:5), prophets (Exodus 7:1), human judges (Psalm 82:6), kings (Psalm 45:6) and even Satan (2 Corinthians 4:4)

                Moses was called god because God gave him the power to accomplish miracles in front of pharaoh.
                Judges were called gods because they had authority over Israel.
                Jesus is called god because he is a mighty being, who was granted rulership in heaven and on earth.

                When it says there is only one God it is the sense of being the eternal, omniscient and omnipotent Creator. And I agree that only ONE person fits this description: Jehovah!

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You blaspheme the Savior by denying His own words. Either Christ is God or He (and the Holy Spirit) is a liar. This will not convince you. You will reply with canned responses that you have been taught to parrot, much like your Mormon counterparts. Again, all I can do is pray you see truth before your soul is required of you. I hope to see you on the right hand of the throne of God Almighty, Jesus Christ.

              • 1 month ago
                Friendly neighborhood JW

                As Jesus said in the clearest possible terms imaginable at John 17:1-5, the Father is God, and He is the only one to receive full worshipful devotion.

              • 1 month ago
                Another Jehovah Witnesses

                Great work and great search for exposing the truth (showing the Holy Scriptures like Jesus) to many people of this world. —Mt 4:1-11 ; John 17:17 ; 1 Co 15:58 ; 2 Tm 3:12.

                I'm so surprised to see so many brothers and sisters on IST and I'm also surprised to see threads about Jehovah and the Governing Body of Jehovah on different boards !

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              John 10:30 "I and my father are one"

              John 14:9 "Those who have seen me have seen the father"

              John 8:48 "Before Abraham was I am"
              Referencing Exodus 3:14
              John 1:1 "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God"

              John 1:14 " The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth."

              John 1:18 "No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and[a] is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known"

              >B-b-b-b-but the bible is corrupted! OUR translation is correct
              You are a heretic and you will burn in hell.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                you're a sorry fool who follows the word of men instead of the word of God. But don't worry, you won't go to hell, infact you'll be given the chance to learn the truth and turn away from the lies you've been taught after God restores the earth to the paradise he originally intended.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >The words of men
                So the martyrdom of the apostles who gave us the bible means nothing to you?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Popes aren't apostles and their words are worth less than nothing.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Frick JWs and Mormons. Bunch of freaks that do nothing but bother people and litter since their cult doctrine ends up in the trash or on the street anyway

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Wow, how much time did it take you to mass reply to all that? Probably enough that you could have done 20-25 pushups instead!*

    *provided you weren’t a greasy neckbeard who has never lifted a dumbbell in his life

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I am already a divine being and think it would be tacky to go to a church

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