>taller than homosexual sapiens
>stronger than homosexual sapiens
>shorter limbs to increase rapid muscle growth than homosexual sapiens
>thicker and stronger bones than homosexual sapiens
how did we get mogged so hard yet still prevailed?
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Some homie out there created rockonastick 2.0 and made life a bit easier for other homies which resulted in more and better food.
They were shorter. They weighed more though because they were so muscular that they hunted whooley rhinos with fricking knives and hand spears. Insane.
Neanderthals got fricked because they lived and hunted in small groups while Homosapiens lived and hunted in really large groups. They came in, took all the resources for themselves, and the only options that Neanderthals had were to either interbreed so they could be accepted into the larger tribe or die scrounging for whatever food was left.
They were taller than homosexual sapiens, they were greatly outnumbered. Only about a 100k lived all the way over Europe. They were insane hunters like you said, it's just that they were more adaptable to the cold, and when the ice age was over they disappeared completely, only a small percentage of their dna remains in Caucasians due inbreeding.
The homosexual sapiens who were alive then in the Gravettian era were the tallest on record, taller than even most modern populations on average. So neandercucks were in fact mogged, brutally.
Source on the height thing? Sounds genuinely interesting
Everyone knows "the height thing" moron.
Humans were taller because the population was signicantly smaller and most diets would of been "Paleolithic" consisting largely of meat and shit you can eat from bushes. Human height plummeted after the agricultural revolution because the quality of diets decreased in accordance with an explosive growth in population
Imagine going back to 3000 BCE with lets say the height of 180-190 cm, appearing like a demigod, banging all those 150 cm shortstack women and toss them around like ragdolls.
>3000 BCE
there's no porn, you wouldn't survive
No need for porn with all the womanlets around. Also, I mostly fap to my imagination.
You can't make spears, farm, hunt. A cavemanlet would kill you in 2 seconds.
>kill the first guy I catch sleeping
>take his shit
>has some minor understanding of farming since I cultivated tomatoes, pepper and onions before
>learn how to hunt since its in my genes or die trying
>build a rape-cottage in the middle of nowhere for females
It would be a hard life but Id still have some fun. Also Im fairly sure some towns and complex cultures were already around by 3000 BCE. Like Egypt or Mesopotamia.
>kill the first guy I catch sleeping
>its my grand grand grand grand.....grand father
>I disappear
genetically there is no difference between humans now and humans in 3000 B.C., which means the changes in average height are purely based on nutrition
if you went back to those times at 180cm you would appear like a noble, who were the only people who could afford enough food to max out their genetic potential, but certainly not as a god
>and toss them around like ragdolls.
They were stocky AF back then
The egyptian pharao Sa-Nakht of the third dynasty was supposedly 187cm tall during a time were most people wouldn't get taller than 160-170cm.
The really interesting thing about the Gravettians is that while the men averaged 6'+ (basically as tall as modern Dutch, who are the tallest nation on earth), the women averaged 5'2", which puts them on a par with somewhere like Mexico. Massive sexual dimorphism, much greater differences which have reduced as we've evolved. Their men were all towering chads who most likely had super-high testosterone and nary an ounce of body fat, while their women were plump shortstacks with massive milkers, as evidenced by all the little statues they used to make.
>The really interesting thing about the Gravettians is that while the men averaged 6'+ (basically as tall as modern Dutch, who are the tallest nation on earth), the women averaged 5'2", which puts them on a par with somewhere like Mexico. Massive sexual dimorphism, much greater differences which have reduced as we've evolved. Their men were all towering chads who most likely had super-high testosterone and nary an ounce of body fat, while their women were plump shortstacks with massive milkers, as evidenced by all the little statues they used to make.
I wonder how much freedom women were given to choose their partners. Because it kind of feels that modern women would go back to that, if allowed
However it happened, it seems this model was never successful in the long term
>However it happened, it seems this model was never successful in the long term
I mean, yeah. Women are inherently self destructive. They probably made those men shorter and shorter via their x chromosomes.
If left to their own devices, women would all be in a harem of a handful of hot guys. Which seriously lowers genetic diversity. Monogamy and serial monogamy would produce more diversity than that.
I wonder what the motivation is, genetically, for women to weaken the species by them all wanting the same partner.
>Women are inherently self destructive. They probably made those men shorter and shorter via their x chromosomes.
nobody tell him
MY SON IS HALF WOMAN NOOOOO HOW CAN THIS BE
Not funny. I recently found out I was descended from women.
>I wonder what the motivation is, genetically, for women to weaken the species by them all wanting the same partner.
You are autistic. Women have no motivation, they're just dysgenic little tards who want betabux and alpha fricks. That's why men made laws because having one guy that's 6 foot 1 getting all 10 of the the b***hes and then getting lynched by the ten other guys that are 5 foot 10 isn't a good system and doesn't enable your offspring to survive. But if you're King Tallchad and you give out women to your brothers and clansmen who are shorter than you then they are willing to serve under you and you get the top girl and whatever chicks you capture from foreign tribes are distributed with yourself getting first pick, ensuring you're still getting the best but there is no chance that an army of betas and incels murder you because having 3 inches on another guy doesn't actually give you superpowers like IST thinks when a big rock killed goliath.
And so that's how human systems worked in history, why Islam put a limit of 4 wives for chads and rich guys so that poor guys could get wives, why western societies were stable. In eastern societies they even had 'ghost wives' in situations with no available chicks, so you could secure your lineage with ghost gf and be honorable as a man (women are not important in china).
The modern society is just thots wanting alpha fricks, but alpha is just looks now instead of a handsome philosopher king handing down edicts to elevate his brothers and soldiers to new heights of glory. Men act like big gay gays (especially IST) and put down other men not for their achievements or lack thereof but "how many women let you frick their slimy holes" when just 100 years ago men would just visit a prostitute for pleasure (but they got syphilis cuz european women dirty af).
There's no logic here, no system, people are just moronic monkeys.
>There's no logic here, no system, people are just moronic monkeys.
even monkeys tend to be motivated by what helps them survive, eat and reproduce.
People have no fear of not surviving in the current system, there are foodbanks everywhere and there are no tigers coming out of the woods to eat you. As for reproduction people had no condoms in the woods so I think it's safe to say that being convinced to not have kids so you can have more food for yourself is a mostly-natural response.
>They were taller than homosexual sapiens
Why are you lying mate
This is the correct answer.
Caucasians, northern and central Asians as well. Zero percent for sub-Saharan Africans and southeast Asians
They were more more muscular due to larger bones. When you study the human body, a man with thicker bones has the potential for higher amount of muscle mass
MODERN humans are taller, yes, but thousands of years ago, DNA and skeleton analysis suggests that homosexual sapiens and neanderthals were equal height, with the latter even suggested to be a little taller
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal_anatomy
there are many well preserved human skeletons from the stone age that were 6'3" and above
Interesting. The data will however always have outliers, and it's based on average height, but I did not know that
it's just that paleolithic hunter gatherers were just as tall as modern humans, most likely because their lifestyle and diet (had more protein and rest then early agricultural populations)
All Eurasians have neanderthal ancestry, including southeast asians and abos+native americans ofc, only SSA africans dont have any, although that is being debated rn, some seem to have some miniscule amounts from remigrations. Asians seem to have the most too.
Africans bred with homosexual erections instead.
Africans are homosexual erectus
no it was the deep freeze that killed them, was like a few hundred to thousand(s) of years of extreme winter ,it killed all the sapiens that exited africa into europe prior to ~40 thousand years ago as well.
there is some genetic evidence that some small groups survived , but we're talking hundreds of individuals, so few that there is no fossil evidence . only evidence are a few hybrid skeletons that are dated later and some stone tools attributed to them.
The "out of Africa" theory isn't real. Europeans and Sub-Saharans are too genetically dissimilar.
We come from Hyperborea
Humans have very, very little genetic variation compared to other extant Primates. The variance observed between two groups of chimpanzees living on opposite sides of the congo river is greater than the genetic variation among our entire species. Further, human genetic variability peaks in Africa and reduces as one goes further from it, suggesting recent diffusion (we haven't been out of Africa long enough to evolve to other climates, basically)
>genetic variability
Doesn't define a species or a subspecies, observable differences in traits do. Polar bears and brown bears are only 90,000 years divorced but are considered separate because of environmental adaptations and physical appearance. Stop trying to pretend you're objective when it's purely political.
How do you not know the out of Africa thing isn't true by now?
>They weighed more though because they were so muscular that they hunted whooley rhinos with fricking knives and hand spears. Insane.
Strangely, the most motivating post I've read today.
Based 3rd world hordes are the most eugenic form of life and deserve to flourish over the dysgenic 1st world.
>they hunted whooley rhinos with fricking knives and hand spears
To add to that, female neanderthal skeletons were found to have the same bone fractures or injuries as the male ones, implying they were hunting together. Female homosexual sapiens however don't. This shows that male homosexual sapiens were good hunters, good enough that their women could stay "home" and focus on gathering and raising children. This division of labor may have made homosexual sapiens groups more efficient, leading to more offspring.
>They were shorter
...than MODERN homosexual sapiens yes, of course. But back when they were still alive they were taller than us.
Neanderthals went extinct because they bred into our species. This was made possible because climate events many areas of Europe to become depopulated and instead of Neanderthals repopulating the areas, humans did. There may also be a disease aspect.
history rhymes
>you will never know what neanderthal pussy feels/smells like
we have all fricked your mum, we know
as others mentioned, another factor was that they needed a lot more calories than homosexual saps. around 5k calories a day, compared to 2k. needing to eat more means depleting resources faster.
>how did we get mogged so hard yet still prevailed?
Because we required less calories to survive while simultaneously being fat better at throwing (assuming Neanderthals could throw at all which doesn't seem to be the case)
>shorter limbs
>thicker bones
These too. Too shot limbs and too heavy to be a top runner. homosexual Sapiens is nature's best endurance/persistence hunter.
>homosexual Sapiens is nature's best endurance/persistence hunter.
We are not even top 5
Also persistence hunting is completely fricking useless in Europe because it's too cold even on the hottest summer days.
Spotted the Black person.
Ironically, Black folk are the most well suited to persistence gswkhyhunting.
You're both wrong. We are the top runners on earth if it's over 70*f if it's under 70, we are the best on earth behind sled dogs.
You're just uneducated or stupid. Like I said, we're not even top 5 whether it's under or over 70.
End of story. Humans aren't built for running in the first place. If we were we'd have digitigrade legs like actual bipedal runners.
Human persistence hunting is a giant fricking meme and part of the running communities' internal mythology. Outside of one poorly studied solitary african village the evidence is very scant.
It has only been done in one or two places reliably in very restricted particular circumstances. You need wide open space, scorching temps, the right sort of game, almost zero terrain, and very little vegetation. Some very high level runners have devoted years to doing it in the US and have concluded it is almost impossible even with a bow.
What happens is that the animal gets over a small rise, or behind some vegetation and the chaser has to sight track them- during which time the animal rests and gets another wind and you start from ground zero.
An actual persistence hunter ALWAYS has a very refined sense of smell for this reason. They can scent track and keep up the chase in almost any terrain. Humans were built as ambush predators, or to chase prey into ambushes/bottlenecks/cliffs etc. We have good eyesight, good endurance, moderate speed, and communication ability. That is textbook group-ambush predator skillset.
>It has only been done in one or two places reliably in very restricted particular circumstances.
I've never heard of it being done once. The two times it was supposedly done it ended up being fake.
Supposedly the one time in the African village was documented and there was a very dubious account from Mexico but I'm giving the benefit of the doubt.
>the one time
Turns out they just used cars to chase it down.
We absolutely do not have moderate speed. A house cat can outsprint Usain Bolt.
>We absolutely do not have moderate speed.
It's moderate sustained speed. We can run pretty quickly for a decent amount of time without overheating.But we can also throw things very fricking fast from range and we're relatively agile in that our feet allow us to turn, jump and climb quickly across varied terrain where as many prey animals have hooven feet and only run well in straight lines and in moderate turns. Easy to chase into an ambush or a dead end. Also have front mounted eyes and ears to give us directional sight and hearing to spot and track prey as opposed to most herbivores/prey animals having side mounted eyes and ears for 180 degree vision and hearing to avoid approaching predators.
Persistence hunting is ridiculously resource intensive and not at all viable. Almost a total myth. I mean chase a dying animal for a full day across open terrain blasting 1000s of kcals or lie in wait with your buddies and pelt it with rocks/spears and then chase it back into your other buddies to finish it off. Spend a couple of hours hunting a bunch of game, enough to amply feed the entire tribe and spend the rest of the time fricking, bantering with the lads and finding out which mushies give the most belting trips and then finger painting your incomprehensible visions on a cave wall. Then once some clever fricked came up with the sling and the bow and arrow and it was game over for the rest of the animal kingdom. Our supremacy was assured. Until the aliens got all up in our shit.
>fricked fricking frick frick frick
>all up in our shit.
>frick up our shit
Stop writing like Black folk.
>What happens is that the animal gets over a small rise, or behind some vegetation and the chaser has to sight track them- during which time the animal rests and gets another wind and you start from ground zero.
You gotta follow blue's clues
Persistance hunting is bullshit and I don't really feel like explaining why for the 100th time
So tired of this fricking shit meme. Humans really aren't that good. A horse will whip your shit at 1 mile and it will whip your shit at 10 miles.
Very true. I also hate the meme:
>BRO HUMANS BEAT HORSES AT MARATHONS BRO
Humans have beaten horses like twice in the dozens of times the horse vs human marathons have been held, and then only due to very shitty conditions for horses (very muddy). Horses are much better runners than humans. Anything with four legs is, really.
Yes, a house will usually beat a human over 28, but pretty much never over 50/ an ultra.
No humans were ever doing ultramarathons for food lmao. Every member of the species would have crippling knee arthritis by 35. Can you imagine hunter gatherers placing out water along their routes and training for years to go get some deer.
You're forgetting that one of the rules of the marathon is that the horse rider has to always go at the same pace as the human. They aren't allowed to simply go at max speed and finish the marathon 40 minutes before the human runner.
Maybe a human can outrun a horse in a prolonged race but a human will never catch a horse. That's physically impossible.
My horse marathon rules are a bit rusty. So are you leading the horse or riding it?
You have one guy riding a horse and then a runner chasing after him. The rider has to ride very slowly as to not leave the runner behind.
The horse could of course complete the marathon in half the time a human can but that's not allowed.
Riveting but what is then the point in this whole endeavor?
British "people"
>horse vs human marathons
And the horses are handicapped by having to carry a rider. I suspect unburdened they'd never lose.
No, you're just totally disconnected from nature. They're right. We became persistence hunters, it's how we evolved. It's much the same as wolves, we wear down game and chip away at them. Eventually this led to a co-evolution and doggos.
Not true. Even weapon technology is overemphasised. Nearly every real hunt in the stone age involved, and relied upon, running herds off cliffs, encircling them, trapping them, or otherwise limiting the animals movement by strategy. They didn't just see some deer and take off after it. There's a video on youtube of Africans hunting traditionally and they spread out over a huge area, beat the bushes, and the animals run into men waiting and get killed. There are accounts of pygmies hunting elephants. They wait until it walks past a bush they're in, stab it with a giant spear, then wait for it to die.
In other cases tribes would build a sort of palisade, bait the inside with some plant appealing to elephants (a bit like catnip for cats), then after they went in they'd shut the gate.
Eskimos hunting moose will wait until they go into the water, go out in the canoe, then kill them whilst they're swimming. Chasing animals around just wasn't done if it could be at all avoided.
Was this supposed to refute anything? It didn't.
You claim humans chased animals until the animals couldn't run, then killed them. I claim humans used strategies to limit the animals advantages in movement, and did not rely upon a supposed superior endurance to hunt. My accounts all support my hypothesis.
No. I stated that humans would hunt them as persistence hunters. Using ambushes, traps, diversions or wounding them while wearing them down is what all persistence hunters do albeit with less complex means than humans. If I had to go kill a deer right now to eat, without modern technology I wouldn't just go try to out jog the homie. Idk what's so complicated about this for you to understand. I or my group would wear it down over time. That's what they mean by endurance, we can just keep going even though we're slower. Beasts of prey can't keep going at that fast pace for days and days if necessary. Watch wolves hunt a moose or a deer.
You guys just don't understand how fast deer are. If a deer runs from you then you will never find it again, humans are terrible at tracking (probably some of the worst in the entire animal kingdom)
It's possible that we've had good endurance long before we became intelligent and obviously the people who hunted with intelligence were far more successful.
>It's possible that we've had good endurance long before we became intelligent and obviously the people who hunted with intelligence were far more successful.
we've been trading physical capability for intelligence long before homosexual sapiens + most mammals, even if sedentary, would mog humans in running lmao
I see you changed from endurance running hypothesis to what wikipedia defines as persistence hunting. Solid move.
>down over time.
We get the animal into position then deal a deadly blow, or, less desirably, a blow that will kill it and require tracking only, like those bushman who use a poison from a grub-the animal can take days to die so they follow it until then, but they don't actively try to 'catch' it-they're really just looking for a body, and they only do that since they live in a barren desert with few other methods available. Injuring an animal repeatedly over distance and time is actually the worst hunting method conceivable. It wastes time and resources. The faster the hunt and faster the kill, the better. A man will sit in a tree for a day and hardly expend energy, but chasing an animal all day reduces the net gain from the hunt owing to calories spent.
Persistence hunting DOES claim that we would out jog animals on the flat.
it'd be idiotic to think the species whose most distinguishable trait is very advanced intelligence would simply chase prey down to exhaustion like morons, every regular predator has more sophisticated hunting strategy than that
>We became persistence hunters
What evidence do you have to support this?
Myth created by ROONERS
Not really that far fetched, it’s why we sweat the way we do
Persistence hunting is a myth, literally a single tribe of a few hundred Black folk are the only people who have ever done it, and they do it because they are literally too low IQ to aquire food in any other way.
>Hunting today
Lure the prey and shoot it with a gun
>Hunting 1,000 years ago
Lure the prey and shoot it with a bow
>Hunting 10,000 years ago
Lure the prey and shoot it with a spear? Nah just chase it for 10 miles until it dies of heatstroke
A million years ago our simian ancestors probably hunted by luring some dumb animal and clobbering it with a rock
Hell you can literally grab some birds and fish with your hands because they're so dumb
Loads of animals set bait and use camouflage, some don't even have brains as we define them. homosexual monke was easily capable of being an ambush predator just like we are today
If you think about it domestication is just luring an animal and killing it later
Kids in every culture instinctively practice hunting, hiding, and ambush tactics. It's called tag and hide and seek. No kid instinctively plays "chase Billy until he has a seizure"
Persistence hunting is a meme
We outbred them like the pests we are.
No one really knows what happened to them and anyone who says they do is full of shit imho.
That big nose is so sexy
I wanna frick her
We nigged harder and had more kids. While they wasted their time burying the elderly we were kidnapping their daughters to rape.
How did they fail? They interbred and their genes are still alive today.
>whites are better at lifting and shitter at running than nigs because of neanderthal dna
Holy crap
Thats because face>height>muscles
Get it through your head you neanderthals
Because it's not real moron. God made Adam, not w.e. the frick you're talking about.
This is its skull that has been found ranging from spain to belgium to germany. Where was this written in the bible?
Checked, it is found here
>So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
It is just the Y chromosome for them died out even then the secularly predicted Y chromosome divergence for the two groups is around 4,500 years ago. Race is on the Y chromosome if this thread hasn't made this clear to all of the meatheads on IST
Adam was a neanderthal, dipshit
>dumber
>less aesthetic
Thats all it took for them to lose out to us
interesting perspective on neanderthals, really makes you think about how skewed our view of them might be
it kinda makes sense for them to look like nightmare inducing monsters rather than your average bri'ish lad on steroids
the problem with that depiction is that the genetic evidence says other wise, most likely pale skin with red hair, which should be no surprise given its the same adaptation sapiens living in europe evolved.
>with red hair
Any color different than black only appeared thousands of years after their extinction.
>Any color different than black only appeared thousands of years after their extinction.
Wrong, neanderthals had a similar pigment mutation to modern Europeans that causes a spectrum of hair and skin colours. It makes sense, given that we lived in northern latitudes with reduced sunlight, they needed to get as much vitamin D from sun exposure as possible.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17962522/
>A melanocortin 1 receptor allele suggests varying pigmentation among Neanderthals
>The melanocortin 1 receptor (MC1R) regulates pigmentation in humans and other vertebrates. Variants of MC1R with reduced function are associated with pale skin color and red hair in humans of primarily European origin. We amplified and sequenced a fragment of the MC1R gene (mc1r) from two Neanderthal remains. Both specimens have a mutation that was not found in approximately 3700 modern humans analyzed. Functional analyses show that this variant reduces MC1R activity to a level that alters hair and/or skin pigmentation in humans. The impaired activity of this variant suggests that Neanderthals varied in pigmentation levels, potentially on the scale observed in modern humans. Our data suggest that inactive MC1R variants evolved independently in both modern humans and Neanderthals.
Simply false. Red hair appeared 20 thousand years after the extinction of Neanderthals. There is no possibility that they had any hair color other than black.
>There is no possibility that they had any hair color other than black.
dumb
Doubt it
>Red hair appeared 20 thousand years after the extinction of Neanderthals
In sapiens, maybe, but neanderthalis clearly had it sooner. How hard is that to understand?
Because his understanding of evolution is 7th grade 'out of africa' levels.
I don't 100% believe this but I think it's closer than what we are led to believe. They definitely weren't social, they were if anything far more aggressive.
They were definitely social, as burial finds indicate.
No solid evidence for neanderthal burial rituals.
This guy is ignoring the fact that neanderthal's are so close to us skeletally and genetically that if they didn't have breasts, hairless skin, protruding noses, human eyes, etc this would mean humans had to be *the first and only* hominins which did so.... which is moronic.
Not gonna bother critiqung the whole video but he seems to think neanderthals are just some random murder-gorilla and not a hominin.
Also he's got his timelines screwed up. Neanderthals didn't evolve in the ice-age -- they died out after it.
while the concept art is probably a little off, I think NP theory is right. that old creepypasta about pale monsters with elongated heads and fangs encapsulates the idea too. NP also explains israelite's hatred of all people, vampires vs werewolves, and the popularity of DBZ
I like that you wrapped IST, /lit, IST, /misc/, IST, IST, /x/ and IST into one autistic package.
Wow that's cool, kinda went off the rails at the end suggesting every monster in our imagination is based on them though lol. The hair/fur part stood out especially, if they did evolve in ice age europe isnt it kind of a no brainer that they would have fur? Why does every popular depiction show them hairless?
There's the thing: they didn't. They evolved in the near east, possibly North Africa, well and prior to the first ice age. They also evolved from homosexual Erectus, just like humans. Think of the
This guy is really off the rails with his evolutionary time scales.
Well clothes are simply better than fur. Getting wet in a cold environment is a death sentence. Being able to change your wet furs to dry ones is a god tier ability.
Cats and dogs don't get wet fur though they just shake a little and hide in a dry spot.
That doesn't work too well when everything is cold, snowy, and damp
Works for these guys.
>ywn lift together with your neanderthal bro
>ywn have a neanderthal spotter
Why even live? I'm miri his gains.
the funny thing about this if true, is a lot of homosapien men fricked women like this, then kept the babies.
>Half the tribe caught and eaten alive by these monsters
>Finally had enough
>Gather the lads and go full gorilla warfare with your superior throwing ability
>Only the women and children left
>Months of pent up anger and frustration bubbling up in the moment of victory
>Unzips dicks
You know it happened.
Or more likely your women were raped by neanderthals and you raised their children because you're homosexual cucks.
This explains why white men are such cuckolds. They evolved to raise other men's children after white women get raped lmfao
The mayonnaise race is so fricking pathetic, you literally have DNA telling you to let other men frick your wife and then raise the dude's kid.
jewposting? on IST?
it's more likely than you think
Took those neandercucks to deathcon 3
>being desperate for pussy enough to frick fatties and uggos isn't a flaw, but an evolutionary adaptation that saved the species
Yeah it's a fun hypothesis, though probably mostly inaccurate.
Absolute pseudoscience that is completely at odds with every piece of genetic and archaeological information we know about Neanderthals.
>it kinda makes sense for them to look like nightmare inducing monsters
Why? Because your imagination likes that idea?
We know that humans and neanderthals interbred on numerous separate occasions across hundreds of thousands of years. Why does it make sense that we bred with murder-apes instead of people that looked basically like us?
We know that neanderthals crafted tools & israeliteellery, and almost certainly wore clothing of some crude fashiont to cope with the harsh european winters.
The MURDER APE "hypothesis" is entirely speculative and is based on literally zero hard evidence.
Yea this is mostly wrong and just a fun speculative evolution theory or whatever. However I do think the creepy uncanny valley fear or unease we have is because there was a reason to be afraid of an "almost human but not quite" species in our past, and that's most likely neanderthals. Similar to how common house cats that have never seen a snake are afraid of cucumbers, we are afraid of quasi-humans. I don't think they were as animalistic as this guy portrays them to be though
>"almost human but not quite" species
It's called dead bodies. People are afraid of vampires, ghosts, werewolves, draugr, zombies for the same reasons. Because they're all dead. All human fears come back to "what if a skellington comes to life and steals your skin so he can get a boner".
Both really interesting stuff. Reminds me of an old documentary of a white guy making first contact with a nomadic tribe in papa new guinea or whatever. And at first they were absolutely afraid of him, shocked he existed, they would get closer and grab their weapon and then ease and then grab it again. Really interesting to rewatch. But now I wonder what it would have been like had it been a woman making first contact. maybe they wouldnt even be afraid.
Usually pale skin is associated with dead bodies so first contact with a white man for most dark skinned tribes must have been pretty similar
>Usually pale skin is associated with dead bodies so first contact with a white man for most dark skinned tribes must have been pretty similar
Yes, but for some reason if it is related to mating, people find it hot. This stuff is a big part of the intrigue of vampires. And people have been writing about fricking snake, turtle and fox monster women for a long time. Like since CE 710.
There is other stuff like white skin being considered hot for women in asian cultures, but white suits being associated with death.
And in some cultures the goddess of war and death is also a goddess of fertility.
It wouldn't surprise me that if the part of the brain that controls uncanny valley and stranger danger is the same part that controls sexual desire.
In a way it makes sense. It is in a person's best interests to keep competition or genetic inferior traits out of the group. But it is also in his best interest to bring in diverse mates for himself to make his children more genetically diverse.
This might also explain why women like buttholes. All they see is someone different that could help them produce more genetically diverse children and they are blind to his assholishness. While to the men in the group, his buttholeishness almost glows and they want to keep it out of the culture of the group. The other group members get no benefit from the two having kids so they are not wired to see that benefit. They are only wired to see the disadvantages he and his children will cause.
>CE
Cringe.
>Yea this is mostly wrong and just a fun speculative evolution theory or whatever. However I do think the creepy uncanny valley fear or unease we have is because there was a reason to be afraid of an "almost human but not quite" species in our past, and that's most likely neanderthals. Similar to how common house cats that have never seen a snake are afraid of cucumbers, we are afraid of quasi-humans. I don't think they were as animalistic as this guy portrays them to be though
maybe. But that doesn't explain why we can all look at neanderthal pictures and not feel scared. Or look at pictures of asians with more neanderthal dna and not feel scared. Or why so many white and black men lust after groups with more neanderthal dna like Asians.
The uncanny valley thing might be better explained by watching apes. Male apes HATE male apes from other groups. JUST complete HATE them. They rage out and try to bite their fingers, eyes and dicks off. They will kill their children.
BUT
They love female apes from other groups. Love them. They will risk death to skirt around the edges of territory to mate with other women apes. And in some groups of apes/gorillas, the daughters leave and join other groups and those other groups just accept them.
Uncanny Valley might just be man's natural desire to keep out outsiders.
Also, have you ever noticed people have less uncanny valley for the opposite sex? Like men would frick a half snake half woman if allowed. If the hip to waist ratio is right, men will frick it.
One of the huge advantages homosexual Sapiens had over Neanderthals was the ability to accurately and powerfully throw things. Neanderthals used spears but what skeletal remains we have found suggest that they were not used as projectiles, unlike our ancestors, which lead to them being more specialised in their choice of prey - mostly large herbivores like mammoths, wooly rhinos and giant elk.
The Neanderthal diet has a distinct lack of birds, deer and other smaller creatures that homosexual Sapiens did hunt, meaning that when the ice age receded and those huge herbivores died out so did most Neanderthals.
Some did come to intermingle with our ancestors and abcestral europeans can have as much as 3% of their ancestry be Neanderthal-descended, meaning that to this day there are men who are genetically predisposed to lust after big b***hes.
From the dna tests my neanderthal dna is right at 3% and my lust for the fertility goddess statue physique is insatiable. its anecdotally true
>how did we get mogged so hard yet still prevailed?
It seems homosexual sapiens are better adapted for a method of hunting that is safer -- chasing down prey to tired it out and then throwing weapons at a distance. Most of the neanderthal bones we find show evidence of considerable injury over the lifetime; some have suggested that their method of hunting may have involved jumping from high places down onto prey like an iceage rape koala.
>arabs --- ??? --- dutch
>great apes---poles---toasters
>Black folks --- gibbons
>how did we get mogged so hard yet still prevailed?
Because homosexual sapiens have shoulder joints which allow for things like using a bow and throwing spears.
wait, did neanderthals not have them?
not other guy but they actually do have much less mobile joints, as far as we can tell. We'd be much better at throwing.
Probably because Cro-Magnons were lucky and discovered the benefits of agriculture first and weren't subject to the same climatic events as neanderthals, OP
rayp
breh how come this board has more intelligent discussion on speculative evolution than IST
IST is a midwit board that believes Einstein
No way women were that ugly
Unironically a demonstration of evolution sometimes going down bad paths in a sense. Sapiens sapiens just zerg rushed and out bred them.
Would have been a better world to be descended from neanderthals but here we are.
there's no "bad" path for evolution, just sexual fitness.
Yes there is from a human perspective. We can easily envisage past evolutionary directions that would have given us a better world by our conception of it.
why would the human perspective be the one that matters? Humans have a couple hundred years left before we nuke ourselves out of existence, meanwhile life will find a way
Even if you detonated every nuke we have you'd only kill a couple million people at best.
we have enough nukes to exterminate humanity several times over. the only organisms left will be the cyanobacteria and the wienerroaches
Completely and utterly false. You are moronic.
the burden of proof is on you but if you don't think we have enough nukes to kill the world you're doubly moronic
Should we tell him?
>we have enough nukes to exterminate humanity several times over. the only organisms left will be the cyanobacteria and the wienerroaches
I think this was proven technically a myth. Most nukes are aimed at big cities. So during a nuclear war, they'd all be aimed at the same locations. So NYC, DC, port cities, etc would be wiped off the map, but some farmer in ohio was probably be fine.
More people would probably die from starvation and fallout than from the nukes.
>but some farmer in ohio was probably be fine.
Not really, the irradiated dust would frick up water supplies and crops for generations. Look at the impact nuclear testing in America had on its own population and cancers rates. It would be extremely hard to get an exact tell, but thyroid cancer rates skyrocketed post nuclear tests. Compared to modern ordnance, these bombs are nothing.
Radiation from bombs doesn't really stick around. Chernobyl has had more impact than all nuclear testing combined.
it wouldn't need to stick around to frick our shit. just one crop cycle would be enough to kill most of us
Not really. Certainly not as much as the current American diet does anyway.
>it wouldn't need to stick around to frick our shit. just one crop cycle would be enough to kill most of us
Most of us would starve or die from some 14 year old beating us to death for food.
Even if you don't nuke every square inch of the world, everyone knows that ports and industry are targets. Between Russia and China, every port, refinery, airport, large distribution city and power plant are probably targeted. How would we even grow food the year after without fuel for machines? How would we process it without electricity? How would the north US survive winters without any fuel or power?
Hell, without modern supply lines, how would we distribute medical supplies? How would we make them?
Anon, it does stick around. Entire swathes of Eurasia and Nevada are irradiated to frick, as some of the products of u235 stick around for quite a while and will get stuck to dust and topsoil, and their decay will shit out alpha particles that WILL frick you up if you inhale it.
You know that there have been more than 1000 nuclear detonations? The fallout is bad but not nearly as bad as popular culture leads to believe. However you could do a doomsday fallout device that would kill most life.
you forgot
>bigger brains
Well considering that we're here and they aren't, proves that their genetic dynasty was destined for extinction you massive neanderthal homosexual.
The ancient Sumerians said that the Anunnaki, the gods from the sky, created us.
They created us to mine the gold on the earth to save their planet Nibiru.
The Anunnaki modified the DNA of prehistoric humans (in this case neanderthals) by mixing their genes with them and putting them into labour for mining Earth’s natural resources, such as gold.
Planet Nibiru has a long elliptical orbit and comes near to Earth every 3,600 years.
The planet was inhabited by technologically advanced human-like species taller than us. Around 450,000 years ago, they got attracted by the gold reserves in southeast Africa.
Why did Anunnaki need the gold? They used gold to reflect sun rays from their atmosphere and preserve their home planet Nibiru. Gold is really an important element for space exploration and astronomy.
Read „ The Lost Book of Enki: Memoirs and Prophecies of an Extraterrestrial God“ to understand the real human history.
We are the result of genetically engineering of prehistoric humans by the Anunnaki.
They were described by ancients civilizations across the globe (Aztecs, Sumerians, Egyptians etc.), there are monoliths across the globe which show them, the existence of prehistoric humans etc. Everything makes sense once you put the puzzles together
TL;DR I suck many wieners
There is gold in space, why not mine that instead?
As someone who actually studied Ancient Sumer: you're a moron
The only reason that "Anunnaki" (read: minor servants of the main deities) are mentioned in conspiracy theories today is because of some crackpot snake oil salesman in the 70s who knew he could make money off smoothbrains like you
Man, we as a non interplanetary specie have IA and robots, its just because of israelites we dont live in a paradise, imagine if there was this advanced civ that can travel through space, they wont be dealing with other's planets Black folk
Neanderthals are still here in Europe with a few of the people having up to 15% Neanderthal DNA.
israelites still being mad about muh neanderthals who are just the ancestors of the white european race, sucks to suck.
I was reading some scholarly shit about these guys and I read that one theory as to their disappearance and us having them in our DNA, and basically it said that the early modern humans lived at the same time as them. And that either they or humans would capture a female of the opposite species, probably after some kind of small war, and breed with it.
Couldn’t someone isolate the Neanderthal genes from someone with a higher density of them’s DNA and make a petri dish Neanderthal? With the gene altering and cloning technology available it should be possible to observe many species that predate us, whichever are in our genetic lineage anyways.
Idk what the purpose would be or what we would learn, but it would be cool.
Also fricked up deal these ugly frickers get human women if they win and humans got their ugly b***hes., although early modern humans were probably still ugly.
The Neanderthal genome has already been completely sequenced but there's obvious ethical implications for bringing back a long extinct hominid species. China might do it
They could seriously create some super humans if they could do that.
>2070 your human offspring have to compete with literal cavemen with a current or higher IQ
Honestly waited thirty years for the mammoth they kept telling me they'd have by now. I wouldn't hold my breath.
God can you imagine a new Jurassic Park film where Nicki Minaj is a researcher visiting Pleistocene Park and all those virile, stocky Neanderthals break containment.
actually mating was probably 1 sided, there are no known human groups with mDNA from neanderthals nor any y chromosomes, the way that can happen is if neanderthal males breed sapien females and give birth to daughters,
so basically neanderthals probably raped humans and the male offspring were either killed or non viable. no genetic evidence remains of sapiens mating with female neanderthals. so it probably didnt happen much.
so neanderthals raped themselves into extinction? you can't tell me karma isn't real
>actually mating was probably 1 sided, there are no known human groups with mDNA from neanderthals nor any y chromosomes, the way that can happen is if neanderthal males breed sapien females and give birth to daughters,
>so basically neanderthals probably raped humans and the male offspring were either killed or non viable. no genetic evidence remains of sapiens mating with female neanderthals. so it probably didnt happen much.
you sure this doesnt mean homosapien men raped neandertahal women?
one possability is that male neanderthal with a homosapine partner, if they had a male son, it increased the chances of having a large head, making the pregnancy impossible or less safe. Like the skull was actually to big to pass
Anon why do you think israelites have a maternal lineage?
>Anon why do you think israelites have a maternal lineage?
cause israeli women are hot and the threat of kiking your kids is the only thing that keeps white christian men from wifing them all up.
She was built to be bred by handsome SS officers.
>She was built to be bred by handsome SS officers.
it does make you wonder. Would people have grown to hate the israelites if the israelites didn't force the children of mixed marriages to be israeli?
It doesn't seem like WASP have had the same issue with any other group where they just let them marry their daughters and the kids look mostly white.
No one was genocideing fricking italians and their women have many of the same features as a steortypical israeli woman. Half italian kids also look about the same as half israeli kids.
I know, I know, probably sounds like nutty IST shit, but I do wonder how much forcing the religion of your wife's family on the dad's kids kept israelites from really being accepted and assimilating. How many sons from powerful families skipped marrying into israeli families because they didn't want the culture of their family cut off?
>It doesn't seem like WASP have had the same issue with any other group where they just let them marry their daughters and the kids look mostly white.
Which groups are you thinking about? Italians, Micks or some third group?
if the christian men weren't such pussywhipped cucks, they would just disregard all tribal laws like muh israeliness being matrilineal (which is basically a cuck cope they invented because their women were huge prostitutes for legionaire wiener)
>actually mating was probably 1 sided,
>nor any y chromosomes
Incorrect! But this is a very recent discovery
Some neanderthals, as a group, actually carried an ancient Sapiens Y-chromosome. Meaning at some point in their history, male sapiens had bred with female neanderthals.
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abb6460
>The evolutionary history of Neanderthal and Denisovan Y chromosomes
the meme is humans just randomly chasing down any animal in rage is moronic. it would be extremely inefficient.
instead what people did, and what modern hunters do, is chase prey at the hottest times of the day to enduce heat stroke. also they would chase them into man-made traps like pits or natural traps like cliffs
Don’t forget that there’s also smaller game which would be incapacitated from an arrow or stone or spear. Not all meat consuming animals are eating larger game that often, wolfs for example mostly eat rodents.
The exhaustion thing is moronic moronic either way because it’s not like we would ever do any significant amount of long distance running on a near regular basis. We had no reason to really. Primitive humans today aren’t eating exclusively larger game, they’re eating whatever they can get and it’s often smaller game like monkeys/bushbabies or birds or reptile or fish, as far as meat goes anyways.
>and what modern hunters do
No they fricking don't.
lmfao
It's crazy to think that there once was a sister human species
There still is, they are called Homo-erectus they live in Africa
This
Sub-Saharan Africans carry about 20% of "ghost dna" from an ancient hominin species that Caucasians/asians don't. Meanwhile, a defining feature for caucasians/ (east) asians is that they have a few % of Neanderthal dna
We out fricked them, out hunted them, simple as. They were apparently pretty antisocial in compadre humans, and mostly had smaller tribes then us. They were probably just as smart, remember reading that their vocalization wasn’t as good tho
DEX beats STR after all
They, alongside an advanced homosapien egypt/mayan -evel agriculture civilization spanning the globe were wiped out by the biblical flood caused by meteor impacts in north america ~15,000 yrs ago.
homosexual sapiens had long since mastered stonework that survived that flood, and from there you can take your pick of mythological creation myths that all revolve around man and woman transitioning from a better, antedeluvian world, or even very literally surviving the creation of the world by floating ashore on a boat or fallen tree - into the post-flood ruins that completely re-arranged where the best places on this planet to live were situated.
I'll add that there's almost unlimited ice age and neaderthal fossils being found in alaska where basically everything alive at that time was swallowed by water and moved to what are now creek beds. you've got multibillionaire land owners coming out of the woodwork saying they've got neanderthal corpses with skin and hair. You're either about to never hear about this again or you're about to watch our understanding of the last 50,000 years of natural history shift dramatically. There's also billions of dollars of Mammoth bones in a river in NYC that you can just go dive in and take
>you've got multibillionaire land owners coming out of the woodwork saying they've got neanderthal corpses with skin and hair.
I'm interested anon where can i find these testimonials?
Neanderthals were like a GM H1 and Sapiens were Toyota Corollas. Once all the cheap gasoline (extra large prey animals of the ice age) ran low the more efficient model won out.
Plus Neanderthals seem to have eaten each other more often than Sapiens ate them so that's probably a factor.
TL;DR bigger is only better if you can afford it
The neanderthals didn't go extinct. Their descendants are still alive. The original african homosexual sapiens got genetically mixed with them, and thus european and asian people came to be.
>the cunning and aggressive nature of homosexual sapiens plus their complex vocals
>combined with the sturdiness, resilience and presumed intelligence of neanderthals
This is how homosexual sapiens sapiens became the dominant species of this planet.
Out of Africa theory is bunk. Read Erectus Walks Among Us
So are you saying that white people actually have black african DNA in them? If so, why are white people racist to black people if they are technically black themselves?
Because black people are less evolved.
They are not less evolved, they are evolved to another environment. Nothing can be more evolved than something else if the two species are evolved in different environment. There is no Magnum opus of evolution, it just is. Evolution did not stop in Africa as soon as their skin turned black. There are always environmental pressures, and these pressures create the different species, these can be intra or interspecies pressures, as well as environmental factors that favors certain genetics. You are only "more" evolved compared to an African in your own world. An African would log you when it came to living in Africa, and would probably say he is more evolved than you. No trait means anything if the environment does not favor it
> t. "no my penis isn't less evolved it's just evolved for a different, smaller vegana"
>> t. "no my penis isn't less evolved it's just evolved for a different, smaller vegana"
possible. Women's veganas don't make any sense.
Like, why don't women have bigger hips and wider birth canals? Its not like men don't like wider hips. Its not like it wouldn't make birthing easier. Because it fricks up the mechanics of running? How long has it been since human women needed to run? Probably sometime before recorded history. They haven't required running since the gather in hunter gatherer.
And sex? Even woman experts admit that their is no evolutionary purpose for the female orgasm. And the data mostly shows this. Something like 36% of women have no sexual concordance. They just don't get turned on. Only 16% of the same sexual response as men. Something like 60 to 70 % of them can't even orgasm from PIV which creates babies.
If women were built to reproduce, their hips would be wide enough for easy birth and their clit would be positioned to rub the dick during PIV, helping to insure orgasm. They'd also get turned on as easy as men.
Someone not able to run would probably be selected against even if there is no strict need. Walking might look bad as well. Also evolution is fairly slow process and it can settle for close enough. But who knows, we might get there.
>Walking might look bad as well.
I'm not sure men care? They seem to be attracted to women who have hips so big that they kind of sway back and forth like a ship at sea. Frick, even if she had trouble walking and tripped a few times, I think a bunch of men would still find her attractive.
Hip to waist ratio is very attractive to men and most other flaws are just seen as quirky.
I can only speak for myself but would not dick a cripple.
>I can only speak for myself but would not dick a cripple.
Lord, how wide would a woman's hips have to be to cripple her?
I’m sure someone from the ghetto could tell you.
black africans today are not a genetic copy of the africans from back then, their dna also changed over time.
you've fallen for pseudoscience. no matter what you say, the earliest homosexual sapiens skeletons and genetic markers are in africa.
So if you can still track things like Neanderthal dna in modern humans why are Africans so far removed its not even close?
Africans are not far removed at all, all traceable Y haplogroups across the globe can be found in Africa despite a mostly one way geneflow.
there is different amounts of neanderthal, danisovans, and the maker knows what is in subsaharans lineage mixed.
stop trying to turn everyone black.
SE Asians have the most Neanderthal adimixture by far, including the Sentinelese
Damn reddit midwits, you all get lost?
All Y Eurasian chromosomal haplogroups trace their ancestry to an African guy from 50k years ago.
Which implies into Africa actually
Hey thats pretty funny, good one anon
>no ssafrican genes out of Africa
>everyone else's in ssafrica
>somehow the African genes were completely erased on leaving
The whole out of africa thing is weird that it keeps coming up when it hasn't been scientific consensus is decades. We know multiple groups fed into different contemporary human groups and there isn't always overlap. The oldest human ancestor species was found in bulgaria.
>The oldest human ancestor species was found in bulgaria
Based Thrakians
>why are white people racist to black people if they are technically black themselves
It's because europeans decided to have an underclass comprised of a certain race, and a culture grew from that.
Same reason they can't deal with israelites.
Are you the same guy telling everyone you descend from eggplants in africa?
How do I get a neanderthal GF, bros? I need to reconnect with my people.
>giving google your dna
should've gone with nbula genomics
>taller
because lanklets always win. Let this be a lesson to you miniature roidcels
>the one on the right
10 in bongland
killer ape theory, in essence, homosexual sapiens had collective short man derangement syndrome and basically conquered everyone through sheer manlet aggression
They didn't die off they were part of an extensive eugenics program designed to accelerate the development of homosexual Sapiens, they were gene stock just like Denisovans and even various reptilian species. The majority of Neanderthals would have been folded into the gene pool.
>even various reptilian species
anon..
https://www.science.org/content/article/how-neanderthals-lost-their-y-chromosome#:~:text=But%20a%20new%20study%20finds,eventually%20replacing%20the%20Neanderthal%20Y.
Yesterday they released an article on how early European homosexual sapiens were already using writing and lunar calendars
40k years ago.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/cambridge-archaeological-journal/article/an-upper-palaeolithic-protowriting-system-and-phenological-calendar/6F2AD8A705888F2226FE857840B4FE19
we didn't. They're israeli
Is hollow earth real? You actually can’t find non-photoshopped pictures of the North Pole
BORN 2 SHOAH
israeliteS IS A FRICK
Kill Em All 1939
I am moustache man
6 million dead goblins
>shorter limbs to increase rapid muscle growth.
That's not how that works. X amount of muscle just looks more prominent on a shorter limb, Grunk. Get back to clubbing females and shitting in your bed.
Shorter limbs generally provide better leverages, allowing for greater absolute strength with the same amount of muscle mass, useful for trying to take down large mammals at close range like neanderthals did. Longer legs make you more efficient, in that you use less energy for things like running and walking, while longer arms make you better at throwing, which is pretty handy when your top-of-the-line weapons tech revolves around hurling spears at things.
>how did we get mogged so hard yet still prevailed?
>believing in goyvelution
This is why you're considered cattle.
Everyone here talks so much moronic shit with such a confidence that its not even funny. I wonder how many times i was fooled by utter morons about topics i wasnt so familiar with as this. Jesus, help me...
>Find skull of hideous person
>"GoSh GuYs, CoUlD tHiS bE tHe MiSsInG lInK?"
Do evolutionists really?
Could mog all they wanted before the arrows hit.
We smarter and can run better
Our weaker bodied forced us to invent a tool that allowed spears to be thrown futther and more accurately which they didn't have which mogged them into extinction
homosexual Sapiens:
>More intelligent
>More social and exist in larger group units
>Cuter more neotenous features
On that last point: Last i checked the prevailing theory was not that Neanderthals' went extinct...its that we fricked them out of existence. To them we simply the more attractive species and so overtime, we got sexually selected for over them. Case in point, most non-African lineage people actually have some Neanderthal DNA in them.
IST be like: How could muscle manlets lose out to tall, lanky, cute humans kek picrel
>Do you put whey in a sippycup?
Fricking hell.
>we fricked them out of existence
If this were actually the case we'd have way more Neanderthal in us. The 2% we have actually suggests we almost never interacted with them at all.
Jews are Neanderthals. That's why they're ad odd with so much of humanity. Now I don't mean Israelites, I mean modern Ashkenazi israelites. They really do look like fricking Neanderthals, just fricking look at them. They also talk really funny, like they have a really slim yet loose voice box, unlike homosexual sapiens.
>Jews are Neanderthals. That's why they're ad odd with so much of humanity. Now I don't mean Israelites, I mean modern Ashkenazi israelites. They really do look like fricking Neanderthals, just fricking look at them. They also talk really funny, like they have a really slim yet loose voice box, unlike homosexual sapiens.
and yet israeli women with strong israeli features are adorable.
Ya so? There were pretty neanderthals. Also most guys on this site have a bizarre taste in women. Maisy? Grimes? Silverman? jfc
>Ya so? There were pretty neanderthals. Also most guys on this site have a bizarre taste in women. Maisy? Grimes? Silverman? jfc
Silverman isn't a good counter point. She has been attractive for a very long time. She's sweet and pretty smart as women go.
The worst thing about her is she is a zany liberal weirdo, which has only really mattered in the past 100 years. Before that? She'd probably be a fun wifed with much her weirdness tempered by cultural norms.
seen her naked
she's gross
She looked above average for a naked white 50 year old
Smaller=better in an ice age.
We had lower caloric needs and could feed more people from a hunt.
We out-competed them over around 10,000 years, it'd have been hardly noticeable at the time.
The point at which neanderthals went "extinct" is really the point at which their remains stopped being conclusively distinct. We'd probably been interbreeding with them for generations by that point, and sapiens bone and bodyplan genes won out shortly after. There are plenty of hybrid remains after that.
>Italian Genes: Origins