Test and Dianabol Cycle

I plan on taking a 600mg per week test cycle. After reading some of the steroid wiki, I think I would be taking aromasin at 12.5mg every 3 to 3.5 days with 250iu hCG every other day, and my PCT would be 25mg clomid every other day (I don't want to get any vision problems).

How would this change with the addition of 30mg of dianabol? Would I need to up the aromasin dose or try taking arimidex instead?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >After reading some of the steroid wiki,
    >he means reddit
    kek.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Bump. Is there a better place to ask such questions? On reddit, they will just tell you to read the wiki all the time.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >unironically browses reddit for advice
      >Fricking reddit
      Ask me how I know your bench less than 250, squat less than 350, deadlift less than 400, and overhead press less than 180?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Can you do any of those.?

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There is no formula for estrogen management. The geeks on Reddit are wrong about how to manage it. Estrogen is heart protective and unless you need to completely dry out for a show you want to hold some water so you don't start getting injuries. The best you can do is plan to have something on hand based off previous experience. Personally I'd rather lower doses than add another drug to deal with estrogen.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I did some research outside of reddit. One of the nasty side effects of high estrogen is benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH). The prostate will get so damn large, that you need a catheter just to pee. I really don't want that. Maybe I'd take 12.5mg aromasin once every 4 days for such a cycle, staying on the high end of estrogen. The thing is, I can't really find any information for combining 600mg test with dbol. I figure my estrogen would be a bit higher. With dbol, I might just stick with 12.5mg aromasin every 3 days. Ziegler literally invented dianabol because he saw what were the negative effects of estrogen in a lot of athletes, including a Soviet athlete who had to get a catheter installed just to pee from injecting so much testosterone suspension.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Bump. What's the best place to ask questions like this?

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is this your first cycle? (if not, what have you taken before and at what dose)

    Whats your body fat %

    Why aromasin

    Why clomid and not nolva if you don't want the vision problem

    30 dbol is good, I'm on it rn too. BUT you WILL get high e2 from that shit, need to have ai or what ever you choose or you will get gyno.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Is this your first cycle?
      This would be my first cycle.
      >Whats your body fat %
      Somewhere between 30 and 25%. I'm TOFI. I don't look that fat on the outside, but my belly sticks out a bit due to visceral fat. On reddit, they say you really should get between 10 and 15% bodyfat, but I fail to see why. I've already lost a ton of fat, and if aromatase from the adipose tissue is the issue, then aromasin will take care of that. I would be doing bloodwork before, during, and after the cycle, and adjust accordingly. I just want to get really strong at the moment, which is why I don't care about the fat too much. I would be doing hypertrophy training primarily in the 6 to 12 rep range
      >Why aromasin
      It literally destroys the aromatase enzyme, while arimidex just prevents the estrogen from being released by the enzyme, which results in delayed estrogen release. Aromasin also increases free testosterone. The only downside is that if you take too much of it, you risk getting really low estrogen that can last up to three days from your last dose. This is what I've read from the wiki.
      https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/the_estrogen_handbook/

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        no reason to do 600 test first cycle.
        250-400 is fine. Especially with an oral.

        If you have a high bf% then the conversation to e2 is gonna be a lot higher then if you are lean. I have no problems on 500 test e2 wise, but I know plenty that do, all of them have higher bf than me.

        you could be right about Aromasin, never taken it, only Adex, works fine for me. just don't get low e2, shit sucks. ill send u the e2 chart so you can figure out ai and seems

        Hcg on cycle is always a good idea IMO. I would do nolva as pct tho, 20 mg a day for the first 2 weeks, then 10 mg ed for 4 more weeks, should be fine.

        My first cycle was 300 test and 30 anavar, worked great. Friend normally do 300-400 test and some mild non-aromatizing oral (anavar, winstrol, tbol), I would recommend you the same.

        250-400 test a week for 12-15, mild oral (anavar,tbol,winstrol) for a kick start (length depends on what oral you choose), HCG on cycle, nolva as pct 3~ weeks after last pin (heavily depending on testosterone ester)

        Any other questions I'm happy to help

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Thanks, anon.
          >ill send u the e2 chart so you can figure out ai and seems
          I would appreciate this.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous
            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Thanks, anon.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              When I start the cycle, would I take the test, dbol, hCG, and AI all at once, or should I take a few days between them when starting?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                IF you decide for dbol (good luck), then take everything at the same time.

                I would wait a little before taking an ai since day one you don't have high e2. I waited til second pin (but i take adex so works rly fast)

                test and hcg you can pin together, if you take ai e3,5d you can take it with your pin of test. Dbol should be split into multiple doses since it has a short half life. 3x a day at least

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                How much adex would you recommend if I would go with the 600 test and 30 dbol? Reddit recommends .5 mg adex e3d or e3.5d to be a good starting dose for 500-600 mg test. Would I up this to 1 mg with the 30 dbol? For 250 to 400 test with the 30 dbol, would the adex remain at .5? I would be doing bloodwork during this cycle and adjust accordingly.
                >(but i take adex so works rly fast)
                Adex half life is 24 hours, while aromasin is 9 hours, but the effects are really strong and last days.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                i take 0,5 mg adex e3.5d, witch keeps my e2 in a level i think is fine. no gyno flair etc. But I'm like 12% bf, so less conversion to e2. you would probably need more. maybe start with 0,5 adex 3,5d, if its to little do Monday, Wednesday, Friday 0,5, if that's not enough then a total of 2mg a week split into whatever

                If you are worried about gyno you could also take ralox ed on cycle, then you don't have to be 100% with ai dosing

                don't know about how fast aromasin works, just know if I have gyno flair and take adex, its gone when I wake up 8~ hours later.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

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              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                discord or something if u have it man, or signal maybe, don't have kik

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