Why would they be a meme when randomized, placebo-controlled studies in humans have shown their benefit? Especially creatine.
Or do you not believe in science?
Creatine is about the only one that has real evidence to have any benefit at all and that benefit is just a microscopic increase in immediate performance. You might do one more rep a workout but that hasn't been shown to increase long term muscle or strength gains.
He's an actual doctor so more credible than you at least. And he's not directly selling anything. Now why won't you try to address the hard scientific data he raised in his videos instead?
1 month ago
Anonymous
Actual doctors have a little bar under their videos telling you they're licensed doctors. He's a shill.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Actual doctors have a little bar under their videos telling you they're licensed doctors.
"FAQ
#1 Are you really a medical doctor?
Yes, here's my registration: https://www.mcnz.org.nz/registration/register-of-doctors/doctor/stanfield-bradley-desmond"
1 month ago
Anonymous
>It's YOUR job to go through these dozens of videos and explain to me why each point raised in every one is a supplement shill to sell you useless witchdoctor herbs at 15% off with my code
1 month ago
Anonymous
I provided evidence to support my claim that certain supplements are beneficial to humans. You didn't address any of that evidence and instead argued that Dr. Brad Stanfield was not a real doctor, which I debunked here
>Actual doctors have a little bar under their videos telling you they're licensed doctors.
"FAQ
#1 Are you really a medical doctor?
Yes, here's my registration: https://www.mcnz.org.nz/registration/register-of-doctors/doctor/stanfield-bradley-desmond"
.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Actually that was a different anon, whether or not he's a doctor is irrelevant because all you're using that for is an appeal to authority. An obviously biased authority.
Keep watching though, you too can buy health and fitness in a bottle (the FDA has not verified these claims)
1 month ago
Anonymous
>because all you're using that for is an appeal to authority.
He clearly has a higher authority on the subject than some anon on IST. Regardless of that, the actual human studies he mentions in his videos are solid proof of the benefit supplements provide. >Keep watching though, you too can buy health and fitness in a bottle
You criticized my logical fallacity and are now using one yourself? Hypocrite.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Oh no you're not wrong because you're an idiot. You're wrong because you haven't read any real studies. I'm not wasting my time watching your shill doctor's commercials but a quick look at examine shows no studies for creatine for long term muscle or strength growth, only for short term strength output in the 3-5% range which is what I originally said.
Any other supplements you'd like me to debunk? Because creatine is the closest thing to a real one.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>You're wrong because you haven't read any real studies.
Which real studies are you refering to? Dr. Brad Stanfield has linked all his supplement rpc studies in his videos. >But a quick look at examine shows no studies for creatine for long term muscle or strength growth
"The primary benefit of creatine is an improvement in strength and power output during resistance exercise. Creatine is well researched for this purpose, and the effects are quite notable for a supplement. When used in conjunction with resistance exercise, creatine may modestly increase lean mass. It has also been tested for effects on anaerobic running capacity in many studies, the results of which are rather mixed but generally suggest a small improvement in performance."
https://examine.com/supplements/creatine/ >only for short term strength output in the 3-5% range which is what I originally said.
Where does it say that on examine? >Any other supplements you'd like me to debunk?
But you haven't debunked anything. Examine directly supports my claim that creatine is beneficial for increasing lean mass.
He's an actual doctor so more credible than you at least. And he's not directly selling anything. Now why won't you try to address the hard scientific data he raised in his videos instead?
doctors are only as good as the system allows them to be
The thing is I doubt these studies would even work in a study where the rats had good, natural diets. Instead these studies are always like >control rats are fed a diet of 100% soi and corn derivatives >treatment rats are given half their body weight a day in X random herb instead of soi and corn >Look at all these benefits from X herb! Huge T boost! >reality is that eating anything other than pure goyslop gives you a T boost like that fucking onion juice
Anything made to increase T is a fucking meme. Get your vitamins (do not go overboard), go out in the sun, work out. If you want more try doing shit the manly men you know do. Oh, and yeah, science is a complete meme, placebo studies are gay and I don't trust it. I would rather take testo injections or ostarine than spend a fortune on meaningless creatine let alone bullshit magic herbs.
Yeah man I'm sure your epic science-priests of the church of progress only care about what's true and not about who gives them fat cash payments
>doing shit manly men do
People overlook this shit here ALOT. Competitive sports, competition with other men, combat sports, motorcycling, smoking, operating a chain saw or chopping wood with an axe are all shown to increase testosterone size body hair and musculature.
Yeah do martial arts and kill two birds with one stone
Ashwaghanda does have some human research regarding decreased stress levels.
So does anti depressants, the difference is one is a chemical formula designed for it and the other is some bullshit herb that might work according to some studies.
>Yeah man I'm sure your epic science-priests of the church of progress only care about what's true and not about who gives them fat cash payments
Sciencists get money because what they are inventing produces beneficial results in humans who will buy those products.
Yeah bro and politicians get paid because they make policies according to the will of the people and not their lobbyists. Trust science only when it can clearly and impactfully be witnessed, otherwise just remain skeptical
>Yeah bro and politicians get paid because they make policies according to the will of the people and not their lobbyists
They have to please both their voters and the lobbyists. >Trust science only when it can clearly and impactfully be witnessed,
Randomized, placebo-controlled human studies do just that.
1 month ago
Anonymous
If you can't see my point on your post idk what to say
1 month ago
Anonymous
How about you just keep your uneducated opinion to yourself?
1 month ago
Anonymous
Remain a moron and keep paying out your ass, that's up to you, others shouldn't have to
>doing shit manly men do
People overlook this shit here ALOT. Competitive sports, competition with other men, combat sports, motorcycling, smoking, operating a chain saw or chopping wood with an axe are all shown to increase testosterone size body hair and musculature.
>go out in the sun
that anon is right, you are uneducated
uvb is not a universal occurrence that happens 100% of the time
if you actually knew what you're talking about you'd know "just go outside" with no further elaborating is a shitty misleading advice
Shit that’s been taken for thousands of years in Ayurvedic, Chinese, and other medicines almost always at least does something. The catch is those little chinks and brown people were ripping the roots and mushrooms out of the ground drying and eating them to make their peepee hard, you’re buying pills and powders from garden gnomes and hoping they’re legit. If you’ve got the money to blow and don’t mind it, why not I guess? Upto you.
whenever you take t boosters you need aromatase inhibitors or you'll grow tits, like zinc, but too much zinc and you become schizo paranoid and wake up in the night in panic
all of these are good, it is not a "possibly" case
good luck getting a large and beneficial amount of these micros without turning into a bloat lord though
that's the point of supplements
Mine is: >pregnant woman and baby gummies i stole >bath salts >diatomacious earth >20 other pills
Thats not even mentioning my powder suppliment mixture that is an 11 herbs and Hispanices mix of all my powders (ashwaghanda, black pepper, fenugreek, diatomacious earth,tumeric etc) blended with alcohol vinegar and olive oil then gently cooked.
Proper diet, exercise, and sleep have always vastly outweighed any supplementation.
There's plenty of supplements with hard science in humans behind them showing their benefit.
All legal supplements are a meme. Yes, even creatine.
Why would they be a meme when randomized, placebo-controlled studies in humans have shown their benefit? Especially creatine.
Or do you not believe in science?
You're being troll be a fraud.
it's common knowledge that creatine is an anabolic steroid that causes hair loss
Creatine is about the only one that has real evidence to have any benefit at all and that benefit is just a microscopic increase in immediate performance. You might do one more rep a workout but that hasn't been shown to increase long term muscle or strength gains.
Wrong. Dr. Brad Stanfield has a youtube series covering many different supplements and their provided benefit according to rpc studies.
>DYEL
>Link to buy my supplements in the description
Opinion discarded
He's an actual doctor so more credible than you at least. And he's not directly selling anything. Now why won't you try to address the hard scientific data he raised in his videos instead?
Actual doctors have a little bar under their videos telling you they're licensed doctors. He's a shill.
>Actual doctors have a little bar under their videos telling you they're licensed doctors.
"FAQ
#1 Are you really a medical doctor?
Yes, here's my registration: https://www.mcnz.org.nz/registration/register-of-doctors/doctor/stanfield-bradley-desmond"
>It's YOUR job to go through these dozens of videos and explain to me why each point raised in every one is a supplement shill to sell you useless witchdoctor herbs at 15% off with my code
I provided evidence to support my claim that certain supplements are beneficial to humans. You didn't address any of that evidence and instead argued that Dr. Brad Stanfield was not a real doctor, which I debunked here
.
Actually that was a different anon, whether or not he's a doctor is irrelevant because all you're using that for is an appeal to authority. An obviously biased authority.
Keep watching though, you too can buy health and fitness in a bottle (the FDA has not verified these claims)
>because all you're using that for is an appeal to authority.
He clearly has a higher authority on the subject than some anon on IST. Regardless of that, the actual human studies he mentions in his videos are solid proof of the benefit supplements provide.
>Keep watching though, you too can buy health and fitness in a bottle
You criticized my logical fallacity and are now using one yourself? Hypocrite.
Oh no you're not wrong because you're an idiot. You're wrong because you haven't read any real studies. I'm not wasting my time watching your shill doctor's commercials but a quick look at examine shows no studies for creatine for long term muscle or strength growth, only for short term strength output in the 3-5% range which is what I originally said.
Any other supplements you'd like me to debunk? Because creatine is the closest thing to a real one.
>You're wrong because you haven't read any real studies.
Which real studies are you refering to? Dr. Brad Stanfield has linked all his supplement rpc studies in his videos.
>But a quick look at examine shows no studies for creatine for long term muscle or strength growth
"The primary benefit of creatine is an improvement in strength and power output during resistance exercise. Creatine is well researched for this purpose, and the effects are quite notable for a supplement. When used in conjunction with resistance exercise, creatine may modestly increase lean mass. It has also been tested for effects on anaerobic running capacity in many studies, the results of which are rather mixed but generally suggest a small improvement in performance."
https://examine.com/supplements/creatine/
>only for short term strength output in the 3-5% range which is what I originally said.
Where does it say that on examine?
>Any other supplements you'd like me to debunk?
But you haven't debunked anything. Examine directly supports my claim that creatine is beneficial for increasing lean mass.
>YouTube Doctor
Nope
Follow the money. If anyone is selling something then you can probably disregard them entirely.
See this garden gnome.
I found that it's good for relieving stress
doctors are only as good as the system allows them to be
creatine, d3 and zma are the best ones
maybe boron too
Young people do not (should not) need adaptogens.
"Young" anon should not spend his time shitposting on IST.
We are not rats or mouses, mostly all supplement are meme
The thing is I doubt these studies would even work in a study where the rats had good, natural diets. Instead these studies are always like
>control rats are fed a diet of 100% soi and corn derivatives
>treatment rats are given half their body weight a day in X random herb instead of soi and corn
>Look at all these benefits from X herb! Huge T boost!
>reality is that eating anything other than pure goyslop gives you a T boost like that fucking onion juice
>What's were wrong? Also all supplements are meme?
this is a new level of ESL
what the fuck
Third worlders don't want white men on IST to succeed, hence the constant demoralization posts.
I'm still going to keep taking my suppies. I trust triple-blind studies more than some random retards on the internet.
Care to share your stack?
600mg Ashwagandha, 2000mg L Arginine, 20mg Zinc, Fish oil (I don't remember the dosage)
What brand of Ashwagandha do you use?
I buy it raw from an Indian dude at my local public market
Anything made to increase T is a fucking meme. Get your vitamins (do not go overboard), go out in the sun, work out. If you want more try doing shit the manly men you know do. Oh, and yeah, science is a complete meme, placebo studies are gay and I don't trust it. I would rather take testo injections or ostarine than spend a fortune on meaningless creatine let alone bullshit magic herbs.
>Oh, and yeah, science is a complete meme
t. uneducated, low-skilled worker
Yeah man I'm sure your epic science-priests of the church of progress only care about what's true and not about who gives them fat cash payments
Yeah do martial arts and kill two birds with one stone
So does anti depressants, the difference is one is a chemical formula designed for it and the other is some bullshit herb that might work according to some studies.
>Yeah man I'm sure your epic science-priests of the church of progress only care about what's true and not about who gives them fat cash payments
Sciencists get money because what they are inventing produces beneficial results in humans who will buy those products.
Yeah bro and politicians get paid because they make policies according to the will of the people and not their lobbyists. Trust science only when it can clearly and impactfully be witnessed, otherwise just remain skeptical
>Yeah bro and politicians get paid because they make policies according to the will of the people and not their lobbyists
They have to please both their voters and the lobbyists.
>Trust science only when it can clearly and impactfully be witnessed,
Randomized, placebo-controlled human studies do just that.
If you can't see my point on your post idk what to say
How about you just keep your uneducated opinion to yourself?
Remain a moron and keep paying out your ass, that's up to you, others shouldn't have to
>doing shit manly men do
People overlook this shit here ALOT. Competitive sports, competition with other men, combat sports, motorcycling, smoking, operating a chain saw or chopping wood with an axe are all shown to increase testosterone size body hair and musculature.
Resistance training increases muscle mass. Creatine on top of resistance training increases muscle mass even more.
>go out in the sun
that anon is right, you are uneducated
uvb is not a universal occurrence that happens 100% of the time
if you actually knew what you're talking about you'd know "just go outside" with no further elaborating is a shitty misleading advice
It really isn't, go outside and get a tan it will do you good
Shit that’s been taken for thousands of years in Ayurvedic, Chinese, and other medicines almost always at least does something. The catch is those little chinks and brown people were ripping the roots and mushrooms out of the ground drying and eating them to make their peepee hard, you’re buying pills and powders from garden gnomes and hoping they’re legit. If you’ve got the money to blow and don’t mind it, why not I guess? Upto you.
vitamin supplements are good
herbal supplements are scam
that's all there is to it
Ashwaghanda does have some human research regarding decreased stress levels.
Dude just look up those studies, they were all done by pajeets or Arabs.
Only huwaito pepor are allowed to do studies.
whenever you take t boosters you need aromatase inhibitors or you'll grow tits, like zinc, but too much zinc and you become schizo paranoid and wake up in the night in panic
is this true for Boron?
Are you the anon that was trying to push Borax a couple of years ago?
kek
meme tier: boron, iodine
possibly good but should just eat food tier: magnesium, k2, d3, zinc
all of these are good, it is not a "possibly" case
good luck getting a large and beneficial amount of these micros without turning into a bloat lord though
that's the point of supplements
>Also all supplements are meme?
yes
i bought some for stress not t raising memes
probably placebo but it was only 15 dollars
this shit works for me better than some anxiety meds I've taken. everyone's different.
I've never taken anxiety meds but ash worked incredibly well for me too
Enough whining, post your stack
Mine is:
>pregnant woman and baby gummies i stole
>bath salts
>diatomacious earth
>20 other pills
Thats not even mentioning my powder suppliment mixture that is an 11 herbs and Hispanices mix of all my powders (ashwaghanda, black pepper, fenugreek, diatomacious earth,tumeric etc) blended with alcohol vinegar and olive oil then gently cooked.