The Science has arrived. >sy has no effect on testosterone

The Science™ has arrived.
>sóy has no effect on testosterone

you didn't ACTUALLY deprive yourself of an entire food group all these years off of broscience, did you anon?

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  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    im not reading that boring shit.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      nvmd you should deprive yourself of more food groups fatty

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I'll eat one extra handful of nuts just to spite you.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous
        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          homie THAT'S NUTS!

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Still staying away from it

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Still not gonna eat soi
    (Except soi sauce, that's actually good)

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >abstract
    Not a study

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >2021
    >Just arrived

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    snoy is not a food group

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >ou didn't ACTUALLY deprive yourself of an entire food group all these years off of broscience, did you anon?
    Of course i did. And i will keep doing it because i won't change my opinion according to this information that says the opposite of what i believe. Haters gonna hate, just doing me.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      great your ignorant and proud of it too
      what a worthwhile combination

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        It doesn't delete test, it produces estrogen in the body

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >produces estrogen
          no evidence of this

          all evidence shows it LOWERS estrogen by blocking estradiol receptors.
          https://nutritionsource.hsph.harvard.edu/onions/

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            that link LOOOOOOL
            >Onions isoflavones, specifically genistein and daidzein, are incorporated in prostate tissue and may act as weak estrogens and inhibit the development of prostate cancer.
            >https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8693551/
            >Prostate cancer is known as an androgen-dependent tumor with testosterone as its natural growth factor
            >Some patients develop the castration-resistant disease as a result of androgen receptor amplification as the most important molecular alteration
            your article does not explain how you are protected from prostate cancer if the thing protecting your the most from prostate cancer seems to be lowering your testosterone and sometimes even completely removing it.
            >all evidence shows it LOWERS estrogen by blocking estradiol receptors.
            in women

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >may act as weak estrogens and inhibit the development of prostate cancer.
              May in this case meaning they're spitballing.
              >lowering your testosterone
              OPs meta analysis (the pinnacle of study data) showed it had no effect.
              >sometimes even completely removing it.
              That's a gigantic leap. Are you autistic?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >May in this case meaning they're spitballing.
                you don't know what it means since they do not talk about it further
                >OPs meta analysis (the pinnacle of study data) showed it had no effect.
                no. OPs metanalysis does indeed include studies where testosterone levels get decreased.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >you don't know what it means since they do not talk about it further
                So unfounded claims.
                >include studies where testosterone levels get decreased.
                where?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >i don't know therefore they're unfounded
                not how it works
                >where
                >Of these, Gardner-Thorpe et al reported an approximate 5% decrease in TT whereas Pendleton et al. reported an approximate 6% decrease in FT, but no effect on TT
                >van Veldhuizen et al.[88] reported a change in TT from 5.004ng/mL at baseline to 3.175ng/mL among 11 prostate cancer patients who consumed between 112 and 224mg/d isoflavones
                right here

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >5% decrease in TT whereas Pendleton et al. reported an approximate 6% decrease
                So a fart in the wind meanwhile your ass claimed "sometimes even completely removing it"

                >between 112 and 224mg/d isoflavones
                What's that? A fricking IV injection?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >A serving being one cup (240mL) of basedmilk, ½ cup (∼85g) of tofu or one ounce (28g) of basednuts. Thus, by Asian standards, the cutoff of 75mg/d would cover a high intake of basedfoods
                miligram per day is the unit. the intake is orally through eating food. Did you read the study anon?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >miligram per day is the unit. the intake is orally through eating food.
                i need a picture showing test was reduced that much
                >Did you read the study
                No I don't like to read

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                it's the amount of isoflavones in the food anon
                >No I don't like to read
                you should start

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                i dont consume soi gay

                im not even the guy you were talking to lol

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >your ass claimed "sometimes even completely removing it"
                i was talking about the treatment option of chemical or physical castration for prostate cancer.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >5.004ng/mL at baseline to 3.175ng/mL
                >consumed between 112 and 224mg/d isoflavones

                Almost a 40% drop. For some perspective, 100g of unprocessed basedbeans has 128.34 mg of isoflavones.

                https://www.isoflavones.info/isoflavones-content/

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                medical or surgical castration is literally how you fight advanced prostate cancer uwot?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >TRUST THE SCIENCE GOY!!
        Never. I'll never eat this shit. have a nice day rabbi

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Still not eating goyslop

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Still tastes like shit.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >doesn't like soi sauce
      >hasn't had good tempeh

      pitiable fool.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Tempeh and natto are the only acceptable forms of søy because the fermentation removes a lot of the anti-nutrients, and natto is full of k2. But even then, why eat sóy products when you can just eat fruit, honey, or meat?

        Sôy sauce is disgusting seed oil slop.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Tempeh and natto
          Fermentation? based for the gut
          >anti-nutrients
          Ahh, he is a clown.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >anti-nutrients

            opinion discarded

            Yes, anti-nutrients like phytic acid which, despite your womanly whinging, actually exist and prevent you from absorbing nutrients. Crying about it won't change that fact.

            Onions sauce is fermented tho

            You're right. I was just going off of the "sōy sauce" my American parents eat, which is made out of sóybean oil and who knows what else. So real söy sauce isn't the worst, but it's still a suboptimal food.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >phytic acid which
              fights cancer

              btw
              >source?

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              NTA but phytic acid intake is correlated with all sorts of positive health outcomes.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Onions sauce is fermented tho

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >anti-nutrients

          opinion discarded

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    i understand the sentiment against soi protein
    as it is used in most goyslop as additive (for whatever reason)

    but Tofu is genuinely good food
    it's eaten for thousands of years
    has great macros (~15g protein, ~8g fat, 0g carbs) and great micros
    and you can produce it easily / cheaply yourself en masse

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Based tofu enjoyer. Let’s keep it our little secret prices are good now I don’t want the rest of these frickers finding out how GOATED it is

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >prices are good now
        Where do you live?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          US, just gotta shop around. Some stores its expensive. Kroger has great prices. $1.69 per block

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I will never trust the science again. Frick the experts

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I don't like tofu but yes I eat other onions producst because it's healthy and delicious especially fermented.

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Mark Messina has a conflict of interest. Dr. Messina regularly consults for companies that manufacture and/or sell onions products. Mindy Kurzer is on the scientific advisory board of the Onions Nutrition Institute.
    shalome

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Basedbeans aren't meaningfully grown in Japan. They're almost entirely imported from the USA. They went from being a radical warrior nation that was conquering the Pacific to a nigh-castrated herbivore population once the onions imports started. It's also why Japanese breasts are so much bigger than Chinese or Korean breasts, as well as why Japanese Americans never have huge JAV milkers.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >They went from being a radical warrior nation that was conquering the Pacific to a nigh-castrated herbivore population
      That was definitely caused by söy, and not "conquering" of the Pacific resulting in the two nukes, firebombing of the rest of the country and decades long occupation.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Of course. Any other thoroughly conquered nation would have a massive chip on their shoulder.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      yeah the US is using onions as a bio weapon

      ever wonder why all vegans look so god damn homosexual? because they eat 90% onions

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Exactly. I don't know why people insist on referencing Soience(TM) for phenomena they can go observe in real life.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >the greasy dude with manbreasts who jerks off to troony porn gets to decide what is homosexual or not

        kek

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >>the greasy dude with manbreasts who jerks off to troony porn gets to decide what is homosexual or not
          hey frick you

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        they look homosexual because homosexual types are more attracted to vegan/ꜱoy based diets, compared with regular men who are more meat eaters.
        they were homosexual before they ever ate any ꜱoy products

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >almost entirely imported from the USA
      Nobody eats your cancerous slop from the israeliteSA moron

      your soi is fed exclusively to cattle

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >It's also why Japanese breasts are so much bigger than Chinese or Korean breasts
      And black guys all have 10 inch wieners.

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >4 women and 1 vegan homosexual
    yea i'm sure this is unbiased and the conclusion wasn't the first thing written

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I don't avoid onions, but I also don't eat processed goyslop. I get onions from tofu or onions sauce or edamame when I eat Japanese food occasionally, but don't come across it normally.

    I haven't seen a convincing reason to substitute extracted bean juice for milk or processed onions derivatives for meat and I have no health problems. I see no reason to frick that up for Soience.

  17. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    ACKSHYULLY Glycine max extract in high enough doses acts as a SERM
    not only were the chuds wrong, they were backwards

  18. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Eating like a weeb has turned me from a fat behemoth to less of a fat behemoth.

    Fermented onions paste and doubanjiang are gamechangers in flavoring my veggies and meetz

    Got 20lbs of beautiful pork in my freezer, doubanjiang and a shit ton of organic tofu for a massive tray of mapo tofu.

  19. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Literally paid by the onions industry

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      yeah i posted the COI from OPs paper here

      >Mark Messina has a conflict of interest. Dr. Messina regularly consults for companies that manufacture and/or sell onions products. Mindy Kurzer is on the scientific advisory board of the Onions Nutrition Institute.
      shalome

  20. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    How do you guys trust anything "the science" says after the covid shenanigans, I want to believe but it's so hard after all the bullshit they peddled

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I hope you're joking. Don't trust anything The Science™ says. Trust your own experience and senses. Do men who eat onions tend to be very masculine? How many high test men have you met who eat a lot of onions?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Do men who eat onions tend to be very masculine
        Plenty of bodybuilders suck down tofu because it's easy to eat, high in protein, neutral flavor, and cheap.

        The reason you see Leftists buying tofu the most is because they aren't paranoid that everything mainstream is a lie and therefore actually read the literature.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous
    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Most people don't actually believe in science, they believe in magic.
      The average person has absolutely no clue how electricity, computers, cells, airplanes, or any other mechanism discovered through science works. They view something like vaccines as magical because it was produced by "the science", which blessed them with phones, AC, cars, etc.
      I think this is the reason why anyone who questions vaccines is met with such hostility, because proponents are more akin to magical/religious thinking rather than actual scientific thought. I remember seeing a video on Instagram with ~2 million likes where a guy straight PWND a transphobe by simply stating he has a PhD in evolutionary biology (turns out his dissertation was about beetles). In 2 million peoples minds he won because he did "the science", which was something they never understood but because he does "the science" he is an authority.
      Actual science seldom has concrete, conclusive answers. This is why arguments over nutrition and workout schedules seems to be unending, because actual science involves skepticism and argument

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        the correct answer

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >The average person has absolutely no clue how electricity, computers, cells, airplanes, or any other mechanism discovered through science works
        And neither do you

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        It's all just theories anyway.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      No reason to discard the entire foundation of our civilization because of some fraudulent individuals, studies, or even an entire corrupted field. The method still works.

      You shouldn't have "trusted" the science even before covid. You use proved findings in practice and base your understanding of the world on quality research work. Stay cautious, sceptical, but ultimately curious and hungry for truth.

      https://i.imgur.com/n5rIfhY.png

      Most people don't actually believe in science, they believe in magic.
      The average person has absolutely no clue how electricity, computers, cells, airplanes, or any other mechanism discovered through science works. They view something like vaccines as magical because it was produced by "the science", which blessed them with phones, AC, cars, etc.
      I think this is the reason why anyone who questions vaccines is met with such hostility, because proponents are more akin to magical/religious thinking rather than actual scientific thought. I remember seeing a video on Instagram with ~2 million likes where a guy straight PWND a transphobe by simply stating he has a PhD in evolutionary biology (turns out his dissertation was about beetles). In 2 million peoples minds he won because he did "the science", which was something they never understood but because he does "the science" he is an authority.
      Actual science seldom has concrete, conclusive answers. This is why arguments over nutrition and workout schedules seems to be unending, because actual science involves skepticism and argument

      GOOD post

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I do my own research and look at many sides of the matter, i look for science, not The Science.
      If someone is invited onto tv as an expert you know he's just a tool peddling some narrative.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        What if the narrative is a good one that helps you live better or not die?
        Everytime they bring on someone on TV that says "you should exercise" do you disregard it because they are attempting to push a narrative?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          The tool can peddle a narrative with good advice, but he is on TV because he's either a useful tool for the narrative or because he's a fully bought and corrupt person.
          Usually a tool telling you to exercise will be used in conjunction with product placement or as couching for overarching narrative crap.
          >exercise more and eat right
          >next segment, why ozempic is good
          >trust the government and obey the food pyramid.
          Usually.

  21. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Frick the chuds soi is my main form of protein and everyday I get stronger. You're all sissy men who are too self conscious about your fragile masculinity. Eat some soi and suck some dick you cowards.

  22. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >sóy has no effect on testosterone
    I don't care. It's associated with weakness, therefore I won't touch it.

  23. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I don't trust anything out of academia post 2016.

  24. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    According to (lobby) science - bugs, onions, no meat, israelites, reduced ambition and feminism are good for you 🙂
    I believe that people who preach it and post it should follow their own word. I will be the bad disgusting feral man who eats eggs, meat and fricks women. Sorry. I am not as strong and pure as you, basedjacks.

  25. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    This just confirms I shouldn't eat it tbh senpai

  26. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I drank 1 liter of ꜱoy milk per day (way above normal levels of ꜱoy isoflavone intake per day) instead of drinking 1 liter of milk and I didn't notice any differences after 2 months. If anything, my nipple area was tighter/less puffy on the ꜱoy. I went back to drinking milk because I prefer the taste and it has more nutrient density.
    I came to the conclusion that ꜱoy turning you into a woman is just a meme.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >sample size: 1
      >study duration: few weeks

  27. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >effect on test
    No shit. It's the synthesization in to estrogen which is the problem.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Can't believe I had to scroll this far down for this correct take

  28. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    no, you can't take away my thinly veiled anti-asian racism

  29. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    the avoidance and demonization of soi is just a product of toxic/fragile masculinity.

  30. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Tried cooking with tofu the other day, it was decent
    Have to cut it a little thinner next time though, flavor didn't.penetrate the centre of the chunks I cooked.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      If you're just starting try with making scrambled tofu and go heavy on the seasoning

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I did the tofu in a cauliflower stir fry with homemade pad Thai sauce and a side of mashed potatoes, the sauce on the outside was fantastic enough that the slightly blander core was still good, just noticably less flavorful.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          marinate that fricker

  31. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >söy
    >food group
    We seem to be starting off from a dramatically different understanding of food groups, anon. Quick, give me one good reason why bread has fricking söy in it.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >why bread has fricking söy in it.
      because it's cheaper and you're too much of a b***h to do anything about it

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I bake my own bread with the only 4 ingredients it needs. Enjoy your goyslop I guess.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >I bake my own bread
          I doubt that.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            nta but it's really not hard unless you're getting into some weird artisanal shit.
            I used to do a no-knead ciabbata in my cast iron pan, it's basically just a batter you mix together then let sit in the fridge overnight, pour it into the pan and stick it in the oven.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >t's really not hard
              true but americans are morons

              no pic = bs

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                No pic of the bread?
                I haven't made it in a few years but here's one of the no-knead ciabbata I did.

  32. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I've heard of menopausal women who said onions effected them in some way, is that just placebo or something?
    Does this mean eating onions won't make my balls bigger?

  33. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Being perpetually against the mainstream without thinking just leads you to getting grifted

  34. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Pfizer jab is safe and 90% effective
    >tt. BASEDence

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >food that has been consumed for thousands of years with no problems vs rushed bioweapon to sterilize the masses

      hmmm, what is the difference between these two things?

  35. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Sôy is literally fed to menopausal women so they produce more estrogen.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      no, it's to replace some of the effects of the missing estrogen due to menopause
      women don't really need all that much estrogen to keep them functioning normally
      the average man has more estrogen than a post menopausal women

  36. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I'll trust science the day we land a man on the moon

    (actually)

  37. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I'll trust science when it confirms my opinions.

  38. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >soÿ milk
    i will brutally murder you if you put that flavourless shit in my face
    >soÿ sauce
    i will brutally murder you if you dont put that flavourful shit in my face

  39. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    BACK TO HELL SOI DEMON
    I WILL NEVER EAT THE SOI

  40. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    søy is a food, not a food group
    idiot

  41. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    This thread has once again shown that /fit is mentally ill and only follows the advice of youtube con-men while rejecting science

  42. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    is that the one authored by a director of a sóy company that just so happens to use muh statistics to average away all the effects from studies that individually do show negative effects on test?

  43. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Onions gives heartburn and liquid shit
    Weirdly I'm completely fine with regular dairy products

  44. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >authored by four females and one basedmale

    yeah right like I'm gonna read and believe this lmao

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