"There are 95% of beginners in gyms"

Where does this myth come from?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The average human is stupid. Average gym goer doesn't know shit about what it is to train properly nor do they have willpower. Most go to feel better about themselves. Tldr. Normies are low iq and unmotivated.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    That's not what I'm observing when I go to the gym tbh. Maybe I'm biased because I'm a beginner myself as well. However, when I just look at weights people put in their bar, I have never seen someone benching the empty bar for instance, which would be the best sign of someone starting lifting.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Most men have the natural muscle mass needed to bench at least 100lbs easily. Many of these men will have a high bf% regardless but it still comes naturally unless they happen to be short or skeletons

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        not really. unless they're active in a way that gives some amount of upper body strength or are fairly large. I'm 5'8 and started at 65, but I built up to 100 in a matter of weeks. I've also seen my fair share of broccoli hair zoomers taking turns benching 95

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        In that case we need to be more specific. Benching 45kg during your first session is - in my opinion - a sign of good genetics for everything related to strength and powerlifting, especially if you didn't do any sports during your childhood and adolescence. In such case, although the person is a "beginner", I don't know how a weaker beginner who is benching the empty bar can feel confident.

        The point of those who say "go to the gym, don't be afraid, people just like you are what constitutes the majority of gyms" is to put the newcomer at ease, but if he sees people who lift heavier either because they've been training for a long time or because they have better genetics, this won't help.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        In that case we need to be more specific. Benching 45kg during your first session is - in my opinion - a sign of good genetics for everything related to strength and powerlifting, especially if you didn't do any sports during your childhood and adolescence. In such case, although the person is a "beginner", I don't know how a weaker beginner who is benching the empty bar can feel confident.

        The point of those who say "go to the gym, don't be afraid, people just like you are what constitutes the majority of gyms" is to put the newcomer at ease, but if he sees people who lift heavier either because they've been training for a long time or because they have better genetics, this won't help.

        not really. unless they're active in a way that gives some amount of upper body strength or are fairly large. I'm 5'8 and started at 65, but I built up to 100 in a matter of weeks. I've also seen my fair share of broccoli hair zoomers taking turns benching 95

        I started at a lowpoint never doing sports and being malnourished throughout my entire childhood, but I did do a lot of push ups so I had a tiny bit of development.

        Going from benching 70lbs to 100lbs was basically free. Lifted hella on and off and didn't make much progress. Eventually I got my own shitty bench and weight plates so I started training 2x-3x a week at home, went from 115 x ? to 155 x 2 after a few months, which was probably impressive in hindsight considering I stayed at 120lbs the entire time and didn't eat enough.

        Now a few years later I've finally started eating properly and I bench 200lbs @ 140lbs. I think my genetics are pretty average, but never eating properly (like most normies) made me stagnate for awhile

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I did do a lot of push ups so I had a tiny bit of development.

          This isn't beginner material anymore. I'm talking about a complete beginner with low weights, no background in sports, who is anxious about going to the gym. I don't think people with background in sports would feel anxious about going to the gym, so that's why I'm not interested in their case.

          The real question is: how to help complete beginners, and why telling them a lie with regards to the average level at gym, saying "the average level at gym is just like yours" when it is quite obvious that it is NOT?

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Normies are low iq and unmotivated

    By definition normies have average IQ

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      People who have lower IQ than me are normies.
      People who have higher IQ than me are nerds.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Most who are serious about training has a home gym.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why? Gym is a better place to train, you have everything at your disposal

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why risk the gym being closed, losing your membership, or not having access to a particular machine when you can just have everything you need at home permanently?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          That's the point: some people cannot have everything they need at home permamently, either because it is very costly, or because their personal space is very small (e.g. student dorm)

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I guess it depends on your goals tbh
            For me: pullup bar, gymnastic rings and dumbbells are all what I will ever need

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    once you get advanced you leave public sweaty noob zone and become home gym masterrace

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wonder what does "begginer" mean.
    If we are talking about physique, then definitely no, in all the gyms I went to, about half of the men have been definitely lifting for 2-3 years.

    If we are talking about fitness knowledge, then definitely, even guys with good physiques and 10 years of experience have almost no understanding of proper training.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      So you're basically saying you can have good physique without knowing much about fitness.
      That sounds counterintuitive, but at least you agree with me on the fact that half of the men at gym have good physique. However, why then telling newcomers "don't be afraid of people at gym, the vast majority is just like you" when it is clearly not the case?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >don't be afraid of people at gym, the vast majority is just like you
        this is not what it used to be. youre bot supposed to be afraid cus everyone there understands what it is like to be new to lifting, they all started much lower than where they are now. i lift at a golds gym in berlin, germany and a solid 75% of all men are very well trained

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >youre bot supposed to be afraid cus everyone there understands what it is like to be new to lifting

          This is another claim I don't even know where it comes from. Do you think smart kids at school understood those who were struggling?
          Nope, because when you did not experience a certain difficulty you can hardly figure out why led them to be that distressed. Same applies for everything in life, and I would say "even more" for lifting.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            what led them* sorry

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >myth
    Go today and count how many people are there in total, how many look decent/are using serious weights/are running serious numbers on cardio machines etc.?
    I went and i saw only 3 guys out of like 20 guys that had chest day or push day or whatever putting more than 2 plates on bench
    3 plates i see maybe once-twice monthly
    4 plates only once in life, when the local turboroided fitness "influencer" guy came in and made videos with his crew
    Most of the guys training for years are still playing in the 185-225 range

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      And thats the gym in the urban center of a western European metropolis
      I mean in places like Golds gym in Venice beach you can probably find that 80% are advanced lifters

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The only relevant criterion is the physique, we don't care if people use "serious weights" or however their routine is organized. Plus, the physique is the easiest criterion to analyse because you can see it at a glance. If I take this criterion, the vast majority of people at gym have pretty decent physiques, and skinny or obese people are almost nonexistent.

      I would even go further: I've never seen anyone benching the empty bar at gym for instance. Why wouldn't a beginner unable to lift higher be afraid of showing that to the others if he knows he's the only one with this weak lift?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Judging by physique alone can be very subjective
        An ottermode guy looks great compared to a fat guy
        Does that make the ottermode guy beyond beginner stage?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          As soon as you have good physique (I mean, as soon as I can see directly) that you are muscular, you're not a beginner anymore. Beginners are those of whom you cannot guess they are lifting. That's my criterion, indeed it is subjective but pretty simple.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    in my experience in commercial gyms there are a lot of people who the OP quote would consider "beginners" just because they do machine / dumbbell lightweight circuit training, but at least they are lean and they actually look good. if you judge people by their ability to do heavy deadlifts you will think everyone is a beginner, that's because most normal people outside of niche internet boards don't care about deadlifts

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