Theres no relation between natural test levels and performance or hypertrophy

so long as they are within the normal range.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9916184/ shows no correlation between baseline test and hypertrophy in younger men

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10999822/ no difference between lbm and test levels in elderly men

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.3109/10253890.2011.642033 no difference between triathletes performance and natural test levels

https://www.thieme-connect.com/products/ejournals/abstract/10.1055/s-2007-972872/ same for cyclists

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02640410410001675342?needAccess=true%2F&journalCode=rjsp20 negative correlation between test levels and size and strength of weight lifters

https://www.biointeractive.org/classroom-resources/testosterone-levels-elite-athletes Shows median natural test levels of elite male athletes around right around 500.

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Not reading any of this, you're wrong.
    But you should not give a fuck about test levels when you're starting lifting.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The tiny amount of extra testosterone between the low natty end and the high natty end makes absolutely no difference in hypertrophy or performance.
      "Test boosting" accomplishes no measurable gains.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Go fuck a nekker you son of a nilfgaardian bitch

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    lol he fixed the title guys, e-boing

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      oh yeah you're the little dyel who couldnt refute a single thing I posted so you used the way I worded the thread title as a "ah ha gotcha!" moment.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i'm thinking of pulling the trigger and taking dat dere celltech

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What's your point OP?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      that "test boosting" with nofap, supplements and other memes is a waste of time and money

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The tiny amount of extra testosterone between the low natty end and the high natty end makes absolutely no difference in hypertrophy or performance.
        "Test boosting" accomplishes no measurable gains.

        So doubling your test would do nothing?

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This. Muscle building is 99% genetics and 1% training, diet, and "supplements".
    Chads who are naturally muscular and athletic typically have normal average middle of the range test levels.
    The main reasons why test levels don't matter when comparing one man to the next is:

    1. It's mainly about how your body responds to testosterone, i.e you androgen receptor sensitivity and density and your genes. (West Africans have on average the most sensitive androgen receptors on planet earth, that's why they are overrepresented in speed (100m sprint) and strength (world record in the squat and bench) and bodybuilding (Ronnie Coleman etc)

    2. Men with higher testosterone tend to have higher SHBG which keeps free testosterone in range. Vice versa men with lower testosterone tend to have lower SHBG which keeps free testosterone in range), so higher and lower test men are on a similar playing field in terms of bioavailable testosterone in their body.

    Testosterone levels can't be used as a pissing contest metric. There are guys who have 300 ng/dl who can build twice as much muscle as other guys with 1200 ng/dl. There are plenty of guys walking around with 1000+ ng/dl who are skinny, can't gain muscle, are depressed with low sex drive and look 15 and can't grow a beard.
    Put the same fuel into a honda civic and a ferrari f40, which one is going to be faster and make more power?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The average natty produces about 7mg testosterone per day (~50mg per week).
      I was cruising in between cycles at 150mg per week.
      I decided for the hell of it to try 200mg week. There was zero noticeable difference.
      That increase represents what would I get from having 2 extra testicles.
      An average man might get a few extra micrograms or even a mg or 2 a day from a "test booster" but there will absolutely no difference in gains or quality of life unless he was hypogondal to being with.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >IST grug discovers the law of diminishing returns for the first time in his life

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          An extra 50 mg/week test does nothing.
          An extra 500mg does a lot.
          An extra 1000g does much much more

          That’s literally the opposite of diminishing returns

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      oh no no no

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >a reddit post about a guy who googled it
        Weightlifting does increase test level so that's why muscular people have higher test levels.
        The higher test levels still have no impact on hypertrophy etc.
        And a person with more muscles is maybe more likely to be an aggressive asshole than a skelly regardless of test level.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Weightlifting does increase test level
          Only for about an hour.
          >so that's why muscular people have higher test levels
          Wrong, you need to reread this thread again, there's no correlation between muscle mass and serum testosterone levels when comparing one natural man to another

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        oh nononop

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >another gay on reddit says....
          anyhoo how does that disprove the studies that say higher natty test levels have no impact on hypertrophy?
          And a million things can cause poor libido and sleep. Like being a fat fuck who eats garbage all day.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not trying to disprove that high natty test levels have no impact on hypertrophy you dumb cunt, fuck off you stupid idiot.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Then what are you telling us other than a sample size n=1 of redditors has high natty test and otherwise feels like shit?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                That total testosterone numbers are largely meaningless on their own, apart from showing how much testosterone is floating around in the blood stream at a moment in time.
                Despite the misconceptions, someone with higher testosterone is not automatically manlier than someone with lower testosterone. The human body is more complex than that. This won't stop people online bragging or crying about their test levels though.
                By the way testosterone levels are wildly fluctuating from hour to hour, day to day. A single blood test means very little.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What I would also add is that there are also other hormones or factors in play that influence how effective testosterone is at increasing muscle mass. Some steroids don't increase muscle mass entirely through their androgenic effect, some of it is due to it's ability to lower cortisol or catabolic hormones.

      You may have lots of testosterone floating around, but if your overall health is fucked and you have lots of cortisol/adrenaline floating around, it will be much harder to build muscle mass. Being healthier and free of stress potentiates testosterone a lot more. Also, being in a positive energy state where you have surplus calories also increases testosterone's anabolism.

      A guy with mediocre testosterone could grow more muscle than a guy with high natural testosterone simply due to the fact that he has less catabolizing hormones that break down muscle.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Muscle building is 99% genetics and 1% training
      Retarded. When you train you increase how many androgen receptors you have in the muscle

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >1. It's mainly about how your body responds to testosterone, i.e you androgen receptor sensitivity and density and your genes. (West Africans have on average the most sensitive androgen receptors on planet earth, that's why they are overrepresented in speed (100m sprint) and strength (world record in the squat and bench) and bodybuilding (Ronnie Coleman etc)
      You're American, aren't you?

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >There’s no relation between natural test levels and performance or hypertrophy so long as they are within the normal range.
    This not a remotely controversial statement for anyone who studies and understands the subject.
    It'll trigger plenty of nattys though

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    In the past, I had super low t, basically like a 100 year old. The reasons were Vit D deficiency and hypothyroidism.

    My only symptoms were depression and being fat (and fapping to traps). I had no trouble at all with hypertrophy or performance, I was even quite muscular and fit for being 132 kg at 184 cm.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    testosterone effects more than just muscle mass you know...

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Good things my test levels are unnatural then. Who here got that prepubescent girl test?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      > raises hand

      Probably got some issue with my androgen receptor sensitivty tbh

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ok retards, here is the thing many forget:
    Placebo effect.

    It's great for you. Use it in your favour.

    Say test boosting stuff doesn't do shit really, but you believe it will or you even do the routines and stuff without real belief, you get the mind pump going and get gains in energy, libido, mental health and the like.
    With that you get to do all the things you need to do in your fitness life way better, way often, way harder, way happier, way more confident, etc. So your gains DO benefit from it. Whether they are strength, hypertrophy, endurance, looking better or whatever gains.
    So even if it doesn’t show on blood samples and whatnot, as long as people aren't taking advantage of you, you are fucking golden, boy. You get all pros and no cons and your life is now better than before. And that's the point really.

    "bit it disint wurk thin" fuck you, it does work. It just has passive powers, sort of like status buffing effects. It's like saying meth doesn't make you stronger or something.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Differences in the test levels between individuals are partly due to polymorphisms on the androgen receptor. As such different persons can recieve a certain hypertrophic stimulus from different test levels. Within an individual, more test is more hypertrophy. Period. You are a midwit, the researchers are midwits. Reproduce but stick to manual labor.
    Best of luck my midwit friend.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Cope
      The amount of natty test increase a person can produce is insignificant.

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