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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can I just make like 4 protein shakes and only consume those every day during a cut? That's like 100g of protein and no additional calories. What's the penalty for having >500 cal deficit if I meet my protein requirements

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, I'll allow you to

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You could also eat fried dry meat. Hunt a liberal, remove the meat and fat, discard the rest. Dry the meat in the sun, cook it in its own fat until gets crispy and store it for later consumption.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://simplyshredded.com/layne-norton-the-most-effective-cutting-diet.html

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >What's the penalty for having >500 cal deficit if I meet my protein requirements
      There is none. The body consumes carbs then fat then protein, as long as it has enough protein from food that it doesn't need to take any from your muscles for cell maintenance. The real problem with that big of a calorie deficit with no carbs is that your test will probably dip as well as energy levels, making it harder to lift heavy which may also lead to muscle atrophy since if you aren't lifting hard you're telling your body you don't need those muscles

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Protein Sparing Modified Fast

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I agree with you OP. I did OMAD and then later one meal every other day. Lost weight fast but I also lost a shitload of muscle and strength. Wasted a year of growth in two months. It’s only worth it if you are very fat and need to get down to a foundation to build muscle on

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. Only fatties should be fasting. If you're going for mass you should be eating 2-4 a day. 2 meals and 2 snacks should do it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Wasted a year of growth in two months
      not how it works or what ops image is implying retard

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No bro. You aren't timing your meals with your gym sessions. You need fuel to work out, obviously. If you're working out fasted then of course you're gonna perform weak and have a hard time recovering. It's suboptimal but if you aren't gaining/maintaining strength gradually you're doing something wrong in programming or meal timing.

      I did OMAD in grad school and still added 65kg on my squat over 4y (intermediate lifter, squat at the time was 160kg), some of that shit was in low carb states too.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    lol OP did you really thing /fast/ people didn’t know this?
    I love when some gay thinks he’s making some big revelation that is in fact common knowledge

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      so the /fast/ers are indeed aware of their own profound mental retardation. got it. good to go.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They're all dyels and honestly fasting is great for them because it accelerates weight loss while they don't have any muscle to lose. Advocating for fasting for advanced lifters is retarded however.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        only one with profound mental retardation here is you because fasting is for people trying to lose weight, not build muscle
        you’d know that if you weren’t a fat retard

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >be me
          >12% bf entire life
          >at the max cusp of normal BMI
          >natty whole life
          >exercising 10+ years
          >never injured
          >somehow im the fat retard in this situation
          kek seethe moron

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            larp harder DYEL

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I doubt this is true but, let’s say it is, in that case wouldn’t you know jack shit about dieting since you’ve never had to do it. lel 10 iq brainlet

              >dyel who’s never had to cut once his entire life criticizing cutting
              pottery

              >"DYEL"
              >"larper"
              >"brainlet"
              if you were all roidtrannies i guess id be a nattycuck too kek. just some more triggered fatties dabbed and SN33D3D on, never to recover

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I doubt this is true but, let’s say it is, in that case wouldn’t you know jack shit about dieting since you’ve never had to do it. lel 10 iq brainlet

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >dyel who’s never had to cut once his entire life criticizing cutting
            pottery

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >makes a chart
    >"see the fact that I drew this makes it true!!!"

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Anyone with a basic understanding of nutritional science wouldn't argue with this. Are you retarded or just fat?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I have a basic understanding and I disagree with the chart. Convince me it's true. You have the burden of proof.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        nutritional science says digestion slows down to accommodate the protein you've eaten in a meal.

        our ancestors didn't eat 5 times a day, they found what they could and gorged themselves on it. There is absolutely no scientific or evolutionary argument for a reason why OP's pic would be true, unless you have some studies proving otherwise.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Our ancestors weren't jacked, either lol. People train to get more jacked than they would be "naturally".

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Our ancestors weren't jacked, either lol
            You know this how?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Look at pictures of aboriginal people all over the world, you dolt. They are lean with some muscle but not jacked. And yes you probably could get that physique fasting but it ain't going to cut it if you want to be a bodybuilder, powerlifter, etc. You're whole argument is an appeal to nature

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Look at pictures of aboriginal people all over the world, you dolt. They are lean with some muscle but not jacked.
                Do you unironically believe those people invested 1 hour a day 6 days a week to lift 30 pounds of weight with delt flyes for over 400 reps? I bet you're one of those poor souls that believes you get aesthetic by copeshitting.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ya that's my point. They didnt work out and they didnt need frequent meals if you want to gain more muscle faster it's better to eat more frequent meals and work out regularly. Fasting is not necessarily optimal because primitive humans did it. This paleo, primitive living fad has gotten out of hand

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Ya that's my point. They didnt work out and they didnt need frequent meals if you want to gain more muscle faster it's better to eat more frequent meals and work out regularly. Fasting is not necessarily optimal because primitive humans did it. This paleo, primitive living fad has gotten out of hand
                I fast because It's unironically the best diet man could possibly have. I don't do it to min/max muscle gain. I just do insane amounts of reps and sets per overall week and I'm seeing gains thanks to it, and i don't plateau thanks to it. That's all i need. Also, eating constantly seems like a nuisance, and i feel... powerful? after eating a huge large diverse meal in one sitting.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Do you think that hunter-gatherers looked like Arnold?
              They were ottermode at best

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Arnold
                I don't want to look like arnold. Pretty sure nobody here actually wants to look like arnold.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I want to look like arnold

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I want to look like arnold
                Then you're going to need roids, and with roids no min/maxing faggy bullshittery like eating every 2 hours like a massive twerp is really needed.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You believe that people who fast are against doing roids?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You believe that people who fast are against doing roids?
                I don't care about other people, I don't like when people bash my diet over some minmaxing shit. Whether you do OMAD or eat 10 meals a day like a sperg bodybuilder people here will most likely never get aesthetic because they unironically do what the sticky says.
                Protip: You don't get aesthetic by lifting a heavy piece of metal 30 times a week total.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How do I get aesthetic then

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >How do I get aesthetic then
                Many fucking reps, many sets. Start with a weight that doesn't feel too heavy, and increase the weight every 3-4 months since that's the amount of time your joints require to grow and become capable of handling heavier weights without busting themselves up.
                I'm talking about multiple sets of 30+ reps. In my circuit, i do 50x6 monkey shrugs with 35lbs and 30x3 delt flyes with 45lbs and others. That's a total of over 1000+ reps for shoulders a week.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                lmao what kind of program is that, post body moron

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >>I don't care about other people
                >>I don't like when people
                Seems like you do care. I am ready big from taking gear. I just came on here to see if people still fought over mediocrity. Try to have a good day.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You forgot your paragraphed reddit-quip, chud.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                nta but I am 100% against steroids
                I’d rather do things the hard way with no foreign substances

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Source?? Souuuuuurce?!?!?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Literally every experiment has shown people do just fine with protein synthesis from one meal

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          absolutely factually incorrect

          >fasting not only isn't the best way to build muscle it isn't even a decent way of retaining muscle
          What type of fasting are you talking about? I don't know about the other ones, but regarding Intermittent Fasting this is completely and utterly false. In fact, it's the opposite, during a 22 hour OMAD IF you gain over 700% HGH 24 hour boost.

          18:6 fasting is just 18 hours of you not actively eating food, at most you would be in an actual fasted state for like 6 hours on such a protocol which is suboptimal but not that big of a deal

          > In fact, it's the opposite, during a 22 hour OMAD IF you gain over 700% HGH 24 hour boost.
          HGH goes up as IGF-1 drops to the floor and igf-1 is more anabolic than hgh
          doesn't matter anyway because natural spikes in hormones are irrelevant, what matters is if you have the nutrition your body needs
          supraphysiological HGH isn't even anabolic towards muscle unless it's accompanied by a spike in IGF-1 as well either directly by insulin/igf-1 injection or indirectly by anabolic steroids that boost IGF-1

          look at actual muscle changes in humans and fasting is outperformed every single time

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >IGF-1 drops to the floor
            This is the whole premise of your low IQ wall of text, and it crumbles down when thoroughly analyzed in context.
            >https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31116995/#:~:text=Conclusion%3A%20This%20study%20uncovered%20that,reduced%20by%2050%25%20or%20more.
            I'm not at a caloric deficit, braincel.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              you just posted a meta analysis that groups up "fasting" protocols together regardless with no description of the type of fasting, read my previous post and you will see why that's a problem, a 18:6 fasting protocol isn't a fast, it's just a suboptimal protocol for eatingm the vast majority of the day you are not fasting on such a protocol and neither you or me have any idea of what methods or protocols were used exactly on each specific study analysed in that review you posted

              furthermore
              >Sub grouped analysis fasting regimens appeared to substantially reduce IGF-1 (WMD: -28.87 ng/ml, 95% CI: -43.69, -14.05, I2 = 00%), energy restricting regimens failed to do the same (WMD: -10.98 ng/ml, 95% CI: -33.08, 11.11, I2 = 90%).

              lol

              also you left out the "natural spikes in hormones are irrelevant" point, why? because it's true right?
              sorry fastfag, but fasting is shit for retaining let alone building muscle and it gets outperformed by frequent eating every single time like I said in my previous post

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It’s not common knowledge. In fact it’s commonly debunked. The protein synthesis myths everyone one in the broscience sphere propagates like weeds come from the companies who deliberately misinterpreted one study to convince everyone to have three protein shakes a day.
        The misconception goes like this:
        >anything less than 30g protein in one meal fails to maximise the rate of muscle protein synthesis (MPS)
        >30g of protein in one meal hits max MPS and greater than 30g of protein in a serve does not increase MPS
        >therefore you should have many meals with around 30g of protein (about the amount in a scoop), otherwise you’re wasting protein and getting less anabolism
        This completely ignores the data from the study which shows that whilst MPS tops out after 30g of protein consumption, it simply continues until all the protein of that meal has been consumed. Your body has mechanisms to slow down the digestion of a massive ingestion of meat until it’s gotten all of the valuable protein from it.
        So in reality splitting up your protein intake 1. Doesn’t improve the actual volume of MPS in a day and 2. Just increases digestive stress by forcing your stomach to discrete fresh stomach acids and bile salts etc 5 - 6 times a day

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The chart is from RP Strength retard. OP didn't draw it

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >bro the study was done by this group of people who are advertising their product alongside it
        You are hopeless

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          A hundred hours of free content on their website and youtube.
          >Their making up BS to sell their production
          Anon...

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sell a 109 doll hair diet plan on their website and have an app that costs 14.99 a month...of course they are against fasting.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              are you trolling? your body can't store protein, this isn't controversial

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you are physically active, and eat enough protein, you will store extra protein as muscle tissue.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news anon, but you're actually retarded

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If its in the muscle tissue its not being stored, its being used. The maximum protein you are capable to absorb over an amount of time instead of just peeing out is limited therefore should be obvious that spacing out protein intake is beneficial unless you disagree that you cannot store protein ( if its in the muscle tissue its not storage) if its not directed to rebuild muscle soon it will be converted to urea or you believe you can continuously intake protein in 1 meal to cover the entire day which is just not true. The body has a cap on how much protein it is physically possible to absorb over time and stacking it all at once just doesn't work

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Might as well have been OP, there no figures or proof

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Stupid frog

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nice ms paint graph

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fasting zealots are a bunch of retards

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Smoothbrain

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I genuinely hate fasters and fatties. it's like bro im trying to get IST not just lose weight like you fatboys but they shill fasting so much like we're all fat like them. fats complain so fucking much but they have it easy. you literally don't have to do anything except stop what you're currently doing. that thing being shoveling food down your throat in excess of thousands of calories. like woaaaahhhh haha crazy concept guys holy shit

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They have it simple, they don't have it easy. If losing weight was actually easy, there wouldn't be this many fats.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it is easy, there are many fats because they are stoopid and dont know about fasting.
        When thinking about losing weight 99% just think gym/diet, get a panic attack and go back to eating borgar. Not criticizing or gym or saying fasting is better, just saying what most fat fags think

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        losing weight is physically easy
        any challenges you perceive are all in your mind
        this is also true for the gay you replied to though
        the psychological difficulty is most of the point

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Lmao stop posting you colossal retard.
          You go on a 700 calorie deficit and tell me your ability to be physically exert yourself isn’t completely fucked.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Can confirm,lifting rn on a 1000kcal déficit diet + 2 hours of cardio daily.
            I feel destroyed + the Heat is killing me,yesterday was a shit lifting day ,today is ok but Im weak man.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Not gonna lie 1000 cal deficit is kind of stupid + the 2 hours of cardio on it is overkill.
              But hey if it works more power to you i guess.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I was losing weight for months on a more normal déficit + almost no cardio and about a month ago I just felt like fuck It ,go er on the fat,wanted abs quick,might get there in less than a month.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Have fun fucking ur body and hormones up to become flabby dyel faster

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Dont want to be ass but I think I do more physical activity than 95% of people,Idk about fit but 4 hours of exercise daily puts me pretty above ngl

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I agree
                But a 1000kcal deficit and 2hrs cardio will get you rid of any muscle you might have

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                My first exercise is lifting ,about 2 hours,I eat before the exercise and take an eaa shake after.
                I also take HMB at night.
                My strength has decreased only slightly,if It dipped masively I would stop.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You do realize fasting is muscle sparing, not muscle growing? There is a significant difference between the two. Nobody is claiming you grow muscle by fasting wtf.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      who is trying to bulk up by fasting? I thought the entire point was to lose weight and fix your blood sugar

      Protein synthesis is required whether you're building muscle or not. In a caloric deficit you're going to be catabolic the majority of the time, but the increased protein synthesis that multiple meals provides will better offset the catabolism and spare more muscle.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wow you're retarded.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Muscle Protein Synthesis is elevated for 48 hours after a training session. The whole 'protein window' and 'eat 5-6 small meals a day' has been deboonked for decades - retards like you are what perpetuate the idea

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you don't understand MPS or what it entails

          muscle protein synthesis is always occuring, but the breakdown of muscle proteins also is, and in an energy deficit breakdown will offset the synthesis of muscle proteins meaning you will lose muscle, training makes your muscles more responsive to amino acids for hours but guess what that anabolic response to training depends on amino acid availability, and when you're fasting you will be catabolic there's no way you can offset this except by eating, where do you think amino acids come from in order for your muscles to assimilate them? the blood, but if you aren't digesting or absorbing any from your food because you are fasting you will simply not build any muscle, or at best simply leech amino acids from other muscles towards the one you just trained
          the "48h MPS spike" meme depends completely on training status and your diet, it ain't gonna be building any muscle for 48h if you spend over half that time course in a fasted state

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Your post was a little hard to read but I think you're implying that fasted = no food in the body. That's obviously not true, silly. Food doesn't digest instantly.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              if food is being digested you aren't fasting, you're digesting and absorbing nutrition from the food you ate and there's literally no autophagy or any insulin drop or any of that shit that you fastfags keep rambling about, in a true fasted state there's nothing in your small intestine being absorbed, meaning there's no surplus of amino acids coming in, meaning that your blood will run low of amino acids and your muscles will be used as an amino acid pool for protein repair and remodelling throughout your entire body, which is literally directly catabolic, in order to preserve regular brain/heart/gut/liver/kidney/skin/eye/CNS function among other organs such as your muscles but mostly the brain and gut, your muscles make up a fraction of your entire body's protein turnover rate

              your muscles are not a priority for your body to maintain, meaning that fasting will be 100% guaranteed to be catabolic

              if you eat 400g of protein in a single sitting and fast for 40h or so, you will be digesting that the whole time yes, but you're not really fasting in that case are you? not to mention there's only evidence showing that irregular protein feedings in humans is way less anabolic than frequent protein feedings, and we have countless anecdotes by bodybuilders too so it's not just meaningless labcoat nerd shit but decades and decades of scientific research AND actual practical experince of thousands and thousands of bodybuilders and athletes in favour of frequent eating
              the more frequently you eat the more of the nutrients you eat go towards muscle repair and growth, the less frequently you eat the more of them are deposited in other organs.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                bodybuilders are fucking retarded and most of them are trying to scam you into buying their supplements or their training plans or their diet plans

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                explain this then

                This fasting gay in link related has been eating like 2 meals a day for years, he switched to this retarded 12 meal a day protocol equal in calories and macros to his previous diet but in much smaller portions for ONE week and the results are:
                +0.5" gain on the arms
                -0.5" loss on the waist
                bodyweight went down

                fasting fags are basically cucking themselves out of sick gains, instead of following what bodybuilders actually do they keep following retarded hippy shit
                bodybuilders might be retarded but they are jacked at least and are willing to do anything to get more jacked

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >explain this then

                clickbait youtube liar

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                he's a fasting gay so has literally 0 incentive to lie, you can't explain the results because you're biased and probably asshurt but the pic in the OP pretty much sums it up

                https://i.imgur.com/iVc94fN.jpg

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                this is a joke, right? he doesn't show the actual measurements, and the before and after pics have entirely different lighting
                you got memed by this lying gay lmfao

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                he measured it on video what are you talking about lol

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                All of this guy's videos are just clickbait lies. Why would I trust him?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                watch the video and ignore the thumbnail bro

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nah, I'm good. Judging by his videos, everything he ever tries supposedly gives him amazing results. He will say anything to get more views. I bet he has videos with the same kind of result from fasting.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                he measured it on video what are you talking about lol

                He also says he ate more fish. Fish has more creatine in it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >if food is being digested you aren't fasting, you're digesting and absorbing nutrition from the food you ate and there's literally no autophagy or any insulin drop or any of that shit that you fastfags keep rambling about
                Wrong. Years ago, I started doing intermittent fasting without modifying my diet, and my health improved noticeably. There's obviously something special to it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >your muscles are not a priority for your body to maintain
                yes they are you nong, how does it make sense for you to start losing muscle if you don't eat for a few days when you need to go out and hunt/gather food? especially when you have fat to persist on

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >how does it make sense
                ofc to a protein starved fastfag such as yourself it wouldn't make sense, but the beauty of it is that it doesn't have to make sense, it only has to be based on reality
                https://www.nutritiontactics.com/assessing-the-whole-body-protein-synthetic-response-to-feeding-our-review/

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                we already knew muscle breakdown was going to happen on such a huge deficit
                the question was always "how fast will you lose fat comparatively?" and "how much muscle can you preserve if you continue to workout, and how fast can you regain it after the fast?"

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it is true that exercise itself helps preserve muscle but the problem is relying mostly on it vs relying on both eating and exercising to the same degree
                there is a maximum amount of benefit that humans are able to get from one feeding and it doesn't seem possible to compensate for it with big feasts even if you're eating more calories at the end of the week vs spreading food throughout the day evenly

                the best way to preserve muscle is to exercise often and eat often, both are similar in their impact in muscle protein balance

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not talking about the best way to preserve muscle. I'm talking about the quickest way to results (i.e. a shredded body).

                For example, what will have quicker results:
                Someone who eats nothing while working out for a month, refeeds, then works out to rebuild muscle for a month
                vs.
                Someone who eats at half their TDEE while lifting for 2 months

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                if you're willing to starve for a long time then look into PSMF and check the type of results ppl get with it, it would be far superior to complete starvation

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                your body doesn't need you to be strong or big, it only wants to survive at any cost
                your organs like your liver, heart, lungs, gut and brain are more important than your muscles because if they shrink in size you not only probably will suffer permanent consequences you might die as well
                even if your muscles get tiny you can still move, and if you starve really badly you get very light, so even less of a need for big muscles, what is the incentive for keeping muscles during starvation or famine?

                lions, wolves, bears and tigers can starve and suffer less muscle loss than humans due to their genetics and the fact they feast upon kilos and kilos of meat in one sitting and their metabolism+digestion is capable of making use of most of it for all organs no matter how much they eat in one sitting, humans are different sadly, mesolithic hunter gatherers are projected to have been around 19-20BMI, we never thrived with periodic starvation we merely survived through it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I wonder what all the fat is for then

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                your organs except for adipose tissue and the brain are almost completely composed of protein, this includes your bones and skin
                you can't maintain proteins with fatty acids, you need amino acids

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fasting is not muscle sparing lmao

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it is compared to cutting on a deficit

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous
          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            he's right, retard.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >muscle sparing
      Fasting destroys your muscles.

      >but muh science
      >muh "experts"
      >muh studies
      >muh deboonked
      Those "studies" didn't happen to test fat people did they? Fat people's bodies work a lot differently to thin or even medium sized people. When there's enough fat the body can lose fat. Anyone who thinks you can put the body in a state of no food and think you will save muscle overall as opposed to just eating normally with the same amount of calories is plain retarded. The body panics during a fast, it will burn everything it can get a hold of.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Can’t believe I share a board with you retards

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The body will take away resources from vital organs at the same rate it burns fat.
        Are you obese by chance?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nope. I have been underweight on multiple occasions as an adult and have only hit overweight intentionally on bulks.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Alright. Not sure where they came up with that conclusion. In a 18h fast, protein synthesis only decreases ~12% for all muscle groups.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The body panics during a fast, it will burn everything it can get a hold of
        So, from an evolutionary perspective, if a hunter didn't catch something to eat for a few days, the body suddenly destroyed the parts needed to run after and fight said prey?
        Wouldn't it make more sense to preserve these valuable tools (with a huge spike in growth hormone) and instead open up more ways to access the stored fat (via incresed lipolysis)?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          First off I hate when people post pictures with their post that aren't totally relevant to it - but that pic is insanely cute, so it's fine.

          >So, from an evolutionary perspective, if a hunter didn't catch something to eat for a few days, the body suddenly destroyed the parts needed to run after and fight said prey?
          Humans were mostly foragers, that muscle would be a constant metabolic drag. As with other primates the primary function of muscles in humans is for fighting other humans for food (like a dog fights for a bone), territory and reproductive rights.

          >Wouldn't it make more sense to preserve these valuable tools (with a huge spike in growth hormone) and instead open up more ways to access the stored fat (via incresed lipolysis)?
          To us muscle is valuable, however to our biology fat is also very valuable. Remember I said that fat people are different and should have enough fat that most muscle is spared. Remember that muscle not only requires calories to keep going, also other resources in terms of nutrition. Why would human who were already malnourished in some nutrients keep on this massive drag when it was mostly useless to them other than for reproductive purposes and using up all their nutrients. Why would they hang on to it?!

          On the other hand if you're losing weight in a controlled way the body can say well food sources are low, no need to panic and boycot all this muscle.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Humans were mostly foragers, that muscle would be a constant metabolic drag. As with other primates the primary function of muscles in humans is for fighting other humans for food (like a dog fights for a bone), territory and reproductive rights.
            Humans sure did a great job at foraging all the mammoths and such to extinction.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >unintentionally genocide the most amount of creatures in history through raw killing ability
              >bros still claim your primal nature is pacifistic

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Humans were mostly foragers
            Yeah until we made tools which made us human and not foragers LOL I think you missed a few chapters on evolution buddy.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >As with other primates the primary function of muscles in humans is for fighting other humans for food (like a dog fights for a bone), territory and reproductive rights.
            It's like you think the ice age never happened.
            The truth is there is no unified 'human evolution' because we are all the offspring of the rapebabies of myriad of archaic hominins who migrated to and fro.
            Each had their own diets, society, threats etc. which shaped their brain and bodies, from neanderthal to hobbits and giants. This chaotic mixture of aperapes resulted in most of the humans you see today and why there has always been a higher rate of biological problems in humans than other species and why the concept of races even exists today.
            We haven't averaged out the genes archaic genes yet and there is a case to be made for leaving pockets of genetic diversity but few people care because dats raciss.
            >tl;dr humans evolution and its results are entirely similar to canine evolution

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The body panics during a fast, it will burn everything it can get a hold of.

        >Doesn't eat for 24 hours
        >Better hold on to these fat stores that have literally no other purpose than to be consumed when food is not available
        >Mmm... Tasty human heart...

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yea dumbass, bears usually die in the middle of hibernation due to their body eating their kidneys and shit. Look it up.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >bears die because their kidneys are eaten...
            fucking fag you cant be this retarded can you?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You looked it up in 46 seconds?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i dont need to because what you're saying makes absolutely 0 sense

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It would appears your body is eating a ton glue recently. You should get that checked.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            not to mention bears aren't fucking human, they actually have a muscle protective genotype that is incredibly resilient to fasting induced muscle catabolism

            humans are much less resilient to fasting, our metabolism is made for frequent eating, we are made to eat on the go unlike most other animals who either graze all waking hours or hunt prey, feast and then snore for most of the day.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >humans are much less resilient to fasting, our metabolism is made for frequent eating,

              false. human metabolism is made for extended hunts and long periods of hunger.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                this is the most outrageous part of the "many meals" lie:
                - hunter gatherers got barely anything to eat inbetween big meals, basically fucking berries and leafs, ZERO PROTEIN. protein would only be fed in big, irregular meals because they were bad at conserving meat.
                - in the later farming societies people were once again out and about during the day, this time to work large fields for many hours. the main food they could bring along was bread. not much protein fed throughout the day, likely just two proper meals: breakfast and dinner. they were also deprived as shit (limited diet) and famines were common. over time these farmers would be naturally selected for getting by on just fucking carbs for long periods, and squeezing every last nutrient out of a one-sided grain diet.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Hunter gatherers also aren't fit in the modern sense, they are extremely thin with barely any muscle in comparison.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    who is trying to bulk up by fasting? I thought the entire point was to lose weight and fix your blood sugar

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Careful now, you're going to trigger the fatties!

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    lol do nattys really obsess over shit like this?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You will never be aesthetic. You have no willpower, you have low-t without PED's, you are a fraud. You are a man suffering from body dysmoprhia twisted by drugs and hormones into a crude mockery of nature’s perfection.

      All the “mires” you get are two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mog you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your grotesque musculature behind closed doors.

      Women are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed women to sniff out roidcels with incredible efficiency. Even men who claim "natty” still look uncanny and strange to normal athletic people. Your absurd musculature and over-aged face is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk woman home with you, she’ll turn tail and bolt the second she sees your roid-gut and acne ridden back and chest.

      You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning, do your lifts and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the anxiety of early heart failure creeping up like a weed, ready to kill you under the unbearable weight, more so than your PR's.

      Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy synthol, get a tourniqet, put it around your arm, and plunge into the abyss of true body dysmorphia. Your parents will find you dead at 30, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment of having a roidchud for a son. They’ll bury you with a photograph of you on your headstone, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a frauder is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that was ngmi.

      This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fast tards are turbo fatties just wanting to become thin
    They don't care about muscle

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Where did Renaissance Periodization publish this picture? I can't find it anywhere.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      dr mikes instagram

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    fasting is for losing fat not gaining muscle why is this board so retarded

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you have retards literally claiming that fasting not only preserves more muscle than eating food but that it is also possible to build muscle while fasting for nay appreciable amount of time in this board

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Don't forget curing type 2 diabetes and bringing your dead cat back to life.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      /fast/ uses that same chart to show how eating less frequently spikes your insulin less frequently which is how you increase your insulin sensitivity. That's good for not only curing the type 2 diabetes fatties usually have but responding more to insulin means you'll build more muscle.

      Watch as these two fast tards contradict each other.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >fast
        >insulin sensitivity increases
        >eat and lift
        >muscles grow better due to increased insulin sensitivity
        >insulin resistance builds up over time
        >return to step 1 whenever you feel like it

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'll translate what this anon

        /fast/ uses that same chart to show how eating less frequently spikes your insulin less frequently which is how you increase your insulin sensitivity. That's good for not only curing the type 2 diabetes fatties usually have but responding more to insulin means you'll build more muscle.

        is saying for your troglodyte brain:
        >fast when you are a whale
        >decrease insuline resistance
        >start lifting and eating right
        >get more gains through improved insuline sensivity that you acquired through fasting regularely before

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      because at this hour it's raided by trannies

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    /fast/ uses that same chart to show how eating less frequently spikes your insulin less frequently which is how you increase your insulin sensitivity. That's good for not only curing the type 2 diabetes fatties usually have but responding more to insulin means you'll build more muscle.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cope: the post. OMAD is how real men eat. It’s the proper way to burn fat without and get stronger at the same time. You just don’t have the willpower to put down the fork and will yourself to your daily calorie goal in an hour or less

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Dyel brainlet

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fasting is for fatasfatasses trying to lose weight. No one is foolish enough to believe you can grow muscle while following a fasting protocol.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've been fasting 36h twice a week for 3 weeks, definitely lost fat but also seem to have lost a bit of muscle on arms. Was around 18% bf, currently around 14% and aiming for 10%.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Forgot, but even thought I lost weight I haven't lost any strength at all.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this chart and whoever made it is retarded. If you are in a permanently fed state you will blow out your insulin sensitivity which means your muscle protein synthesis response as well as your recovery will get worse, you'll get fat / have a hard time losing stubborn weight, and you will age poorly and suffer age-related diseases earlier. Look up the relationship between insulin desensitization / chronically elevated blood sugar with longevity--- you have MFers out there taking Metformin (diabetes drug) to improve fat loss, muscle mass, and longevity. All of which studies show it does

    More than that, when you are fed all the time you completely blunt your body's release / effect of GH, which in men comes in spikes every few hours throughout the day with the spikes being most pronounced in the morning. The essence of IF is to increase insulin sensitivity (which helps muscles grow/recover, keep your blood sugar levels low which is great for general health and longevity, and keep you lean) as well as maximize the periods of time when your body can release GH. Keeping your GH elevated during fasted periods allows muscles to not be cannibalized when you're in a catabolic state... if you're smart about how you supplement while doing IF, you can add Citrulline and alpha-GPC, which are GH secretagogues and significantly elevate your natural release of GH

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >source: trust me bro

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You're arguing with a straw man. Nobody would argue that fasting is the best way to build muscle. There are other health benefits to fasting besides just body composition that may or may not make it worth it to you

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      fasting not only isn't the best way to build muscle it isn't even a decent way of retaining muscle, so why the fuck are people promoting this shit on a FITNESS BOARD

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I just want to be lean bros. Let me fast/omad in peace. Last time I did it for a month I lost fat and muscle but in general felt better and enjoyed life more. The life of a fatty is miserable.

        >he says this as we have continous coom bait sexual "fitness"
        bro it's a joke already. Even the gf threads are less relevant.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >fasting not only isn't the best way to build muscle it isn't even a decent way of retaining muscle
        What type of fasting are you talking about? I don't know about the other ones, but regarding Intermittent Fasting this is completely and utterly false. In fact, it's the opposite, during a 22 hour OMAD IF you gain over 700% HGH 24 hour boost.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the only measure of fitness is muscle size
        ???

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >fasting not only isn't the best way to build muscle it isn't even a decent way of retaining muscle, so why the fuck are people promoting this shit on a FITNESS BOARD
        Fasting helps clear out old cells and mitochondria, so your body becomes stronger after and better able to grow in the future. It turns back aging.
        Fasting puts the bodies cells into a survival of the fittest competition where only the strong cells in your body survive and the weak ones that were holding you back get culled.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >fasting not only isn't the best way to build muscle it isn't even a decent way of retaining muscle, so why the fuck are people promoting this shit on a FITNESS BOARD
        Constantly eating puts your body in a constant anabolic state which reduces lifespan.
        It's one of the many reasons huge pro bodybuilders tend to die younger. They are putting their body in a constant anabolic state with high calories, protein. steroids and growth hormone which accelerates aging and negative health consequences of that.

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >arguing with chud pharma shill
    ngmi, go back to your containment board

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Turns out established science and conventional wisdom are, once again, more reliable than BroScience memes.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      fasting isn't the broscience on nutrition. broscience is eating 10 meals a day and twice the protein your body could possibly need because that's what professional bodybuilders on grams of test and other drugs did to compete in Mr. Olympia. pro bodybuilders have done and continue to do outrageous shit. I remember one of the famous ones saying he interrupts his (no doubt terrible) sleep in the middle of the night to eat an extra meal. fucker literally got up to eat an then went back to bed. imagine the drug stack. I also remember Ronnie Coleman being a painkiller addicted cripple these days because he never figured out that he could just lift lighter weights and gain just as much size without fucking up his entire skeleton. speaking of which a couple years ago suddenly everybody in the bodybuilding amateur space started believing that you should do powerlifting training to gain muscle mass. now that's broscience.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what kills the /fast/ tards are the /fast/ threads , especially the progress pics. ALL of them are just going from skinny fat to a slightly different form of skinny fat. what's the point of being leaner if you are going to be sickly and weak

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People are trying to cut on fasts though so this is a meaningless point to make.

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is obvious that the body will not absorb all the protein in a small time frame, and cutting with a deficit eat a lot of muscle, The real deal is soft-bulking 15 days and then do a 3 days fast.

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >eat 16:8 in 3 high protein meals
    >Lower overall insulin levels, lower risk of cancer, just as much if not more muscle growth due to HGH boost

    >Eat CICOtard multiple meals
    >Poor metabolic health, cancer
    >Muscle wasting

    Yeah no this is open and shut go have a stroke attack like pianoman did

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >high in physiological amounts
      >Measurably anabolic to muscle tissue
      You got memed by ~~*Doctor*~~ Berg

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >hgh* in physiological amounts
        Fuck

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Imagine being this retarded
      Have fun staying dyel

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You havent consumed any type of information about nutrition outside of youtube, and its okay.

      Now you have the chance to actually improve:
      https://open.umn.edu/opentextbooks/textbooks/711

      you are welcome, and please in the future dont watch youtube videos for anything else than entertainment

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No minnesota is gay and why do you think other people are as hung up and stuck on youtube as you are?

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >RP

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >roiding for this
      do these retards really?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        what a fucking abysmal shape. why even lift

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        what a fucking abysmal shape. why even lift

        I guess you two look better?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yes, i look better than a roided genetic abomination

          having large muscle mass does not make you look good, period.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      hes so full of shit

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Eating frequently
    >Anabolic state

    wew lad

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fasting is the superior lifestyle
    It’s advantages are built into our dna
    People against are just parroting talking points by companies designed to sell their product

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    kek and how is that protein synthesis working out for you? if more is better, post body.

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I do intermittent fasting and workout. At like~18% bf, trying to loose more

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >eat chicken
    >burp out bits of chicken hours later
    Where da brotein go???

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Drink water with your meal you disgusting blob

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >one big protein feeding
    >protein feedings
    >this kills the /fast/tard

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Watch lectures by Jason Fung

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Asian DYEL doing weird videos with click bait titels and Crossfit
      have a nice day

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >kidney and diabetes specialist reversing type 2 diabetes for free and getting people off medication
        have a nice day you’re too much of a smoothbrain to understand

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    the reality of nature itself, dyel gay. protein synthesis is just a process out of many, fasting has its place because God is not a garden gnome doctor telling you to lift lighyweight and eat 8 times a day in order to make it. want more proof? no one who follows your mainstream science ever made it. follow this easy meal plan to become prime arnold huh? got it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >reality of nature
      ...no? Starving yourself and no access to food over prolonged periods of time usually leads to less good results in nature anon
      >God
      I am God, anon.
      >no one who follows your mainstream science ever made it
      What? Mosr decent powerlifters and natty bodybuilders I can think of disprove your point. What about Jamal Browner, Matt Vena, Mike Israetel, Jared Feather, Igor Openshansky, Jeff Nippard, Mike Mentzer the list goes on and on. Most pro bodybuilders have taken the science pill a while ago as well and they're moving more towards a science based approach to lifting. When was the last time a decent lifter did weird tiny ROM movements like Markus Rühl?
      >follow this easy meal plan to become prime arnold huh
      What? No, nobody is claiming the road there is easy or attainable without elite genetics, what the fuck are you on anon?

      >kidney and diabetes specialist reversing type 2 diabetes for free and getting people off medication
      have a nice day you’re too much of a smoothbrain to understand

      >I can't come up with a response to you pointing out my source is trash so I'll claim you're too stupid to understand le source
      Do you have brain damage? Were you dropped as a child?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You’re the biggest NPC ITT by far

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Must be a great game that I'm a character in then

          again, the idiot who will follow your easy steps to get jacked will never, never make it. for your tldr post I reply: lifting is adaptation, and eating is one of the processes of body adaptation. meaning, eating 8 times a day do nothing except make your body never rest from digesting goyslop and broccoli. long story short im happy ywngmi, you and the idiots who follow garden gnome science and not ehat nature wants to tell us. again, of more is better, why not 12 meals a day? you know for that protein synthesis.

          >the idiot who will follow your easy steps
          ...will most likely see great results. I love helping out newbies and I got a lot of people that are grateful for my help :0. Also, who said consistency and a science based approach were easy? It's an optimal way. Making things suboptimal will make it harder and lead to worse results. This doesn't mean you're working harder, this just means you're stupid.
          >eating is adaptation
          No? Eating is fuel for adaptation, retard.
          >make your body never rest
          Sounds great. Your body is never ever at full rest (unless you're dead) anyway. More work for the body means more calories being burned off :0. Also, if what you're trying to imply is more work = less rest = less gains, you're wrong. We know that active rest is better for resting out the body than full rest in a lot of cases. Look at how powerlifters and bodybuilders take resting deload weeks, which are still very active, instead of full blown passive rest weeks for optimal results.
          >ywngmi
          You will never gonna make it? What? Idk if English isn't ur first language, but Jesus, English is my third language and even I don't suck that bad. Anyway, I've already made it tbh. I've lost a good chunk of weight to the point of having a 27.5 inch waist, good abdominals, nice shoulders and arms and a good chunk of regular compliments and hookups from women. The only reason I'm still on IST is coz lifting is just a hobby without the goal of making it for me :0.
          >garden gnome science
          Religion and science, ah yes, makes much sense. Fuck off back to 4chan
          >nature wants to tell us
          Our findings are based on biological results. Biology is nature's language.
          >why not 12 meals a day
          I doubt you'd feel satiated at any point, but hey, it sure could work for some individuals 🙂 Anyway, that much usually isn't needed since 0.5g per kg of bw is usually the upper limit in terms of how much our body can absorb. So 4 meals are usually enough.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >powerlifters and bodybuilders are experts in health
            *dies*

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Unironically yeah tho. Unless you're enhanced, any type of lifting will grant you a longer, healthier life.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                no, it doesn't. if you spend all day eating with no fasting windows you're aging more quickly. also if you push yourself hard at the gym 4+ times a week. all this building and rebuilding leads to more mutations = aging.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Lol just don’t be fat and stop eating.
            It’s that simple

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              i don't like the idea of not eating at all, it's a fun thing to do and feels right, but it's not sustainable and will kill results long term.

              no, it doesn't. if you spend all day eating with no fasting windows you're aging more quickly. also if you push yourself hard at the gym 4+ times a week. all this building and rebuilding leads to more mutations = aging.

              >eating makes you old
              omg, so that explains why poor children in african villages don't get old :0. jk, they die.
              >mutations = aging
              guess you should never lose weight to be healthier then, you don't wanna grow old after all 🙁
              all of the claims you've made have no sources or backing at all, you're utterly retarded. Also, there's a good reason everyone, but especially women should weightlift, especially as we get older. Cardiovascular improvements, better body compositions, less fat, better hormonal balance, lower risk of osteoperosis, etc. Plus if you don't believe that lifting will make tou healthier, then what the fuck are you doing on this board? Fuck off?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >guess you should never lose weight to be healthier then
                yes, you should.

                >there's a good reason everyone, but especially women should weightlift, especially as we get older. Cardiovascular improvements, better body compositions, less fat, better hormonal balance, lower risk of osteoperosis, etc.
                you will get all these benefits if you exercise moderately, NOT if you follow the advice of pro athletes and doctors dealing with optimizing things like nutrition and exercise for athletes. training and eating moderately = good, long life. training and eating hard = short life.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >yes, you should.
                Ever heard of sarcasm?
                >Thing is really healthy. But doing thing optimally is unhealthy
                Are you retarded?

                >but it's not sustainable
                Wrong

                >Eating nothing at all will definitely be something I'll be doing consistently again in ten years
                Kys

                So what you are saying is, in order to maximize the elevation of MPS you need a minimum of 25-30g of protein, glad we agree. It doesn't matter that more than 30g will not trigger a stronger response.

                Hey, we agree 😀

                wtf literally tldr, fuck off dyel chud retard. yngmi.

                Nice, you finally learned basic English!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Thing is really healthy. But doing thing optimally is unhealthy
                this is "water is healthy so the more water you drink the healthier you are" tier stupidity. stop wasting my time.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nobody is saying more training is healthier tho. Most people cut the line at 5 days a week, some pros even only go 3-4 times a week. It's just better planning and periodization.

                [...]
                Do you have a source on that?

                Source?

                A source. I need a source.

                Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.

                No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.

                You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.

                Do you have a degree in that field?

                A college degree? In that field?

                Then your arguments are invalid.

                No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.

                Correlation does not equal causation.

                CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.

                You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.

                Nope, still haven't.

                I just looked through all 308 pages of your user history, figures I'm debating a glormpf supporter. A moron.

                You seem a bit too familiar with Reddit lmao. But yes, you can't make any claims without proper source. Anecdotal evidence just isn't worth too much if you're an average lifter.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >but it's not sustainable
                Wrong

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            wtf literally tldr, fuck off dyel chud retard. yngmi.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        again, the idiot who will follow your easy steps to get jacked will never, never make it. for your tldr post I reply: lifting is adaptation, and eating is one of the processes of body adaptation. meaning, eating 8 times a day do nothing except make your body never rest from digesting goyslop and broccoli. long story short im happy ywngmi, you and the idiots who follow garden gnome science and not ehat nature wants to tell us. again, of more is better, why not 12 meals a day? you know for that protein synthesis.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          bro never allow your metabolic processes to rest bro MAXIMUM SYNTHESIS *dies at 42*

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Who cares about muscle growth and retention as a natty? It's a waste of time babying your body otherwise it'll throw a hissy fit and start shedding hard-earned gains. Just start roiding gay

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >CANNOT in red

    Source.

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >fasting makes you lose muscle
    hoho my body doesn't have any muscle in the first place

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Most of my life I was of the opinion that you don't need frequent meals and I did OMAD even when I was bulking because I thought it was convenient. Just had to wait until I was so hungry I could eat 3500kcal in clean food in one sitting. I did this for many years and while I always stayed really lean and I did build "some" muscle, it just wasn't a lot. Eventually I read some of Brad Schoenfelds stuff on this, and the tl;dr was:
    >It is therefore a relatively simple and elegant solution to consume protein at a target intake of 0.4 g/kg/meal across a minimum of four meals in order to reach a minimum of 1.6 g/kg/day – if indeed the primary goal is to build muscle. Using the upper CI daily intake of 2.2 g/kg/day over the same four meals would necessitate a maximum of 0.55 g/kg/meal. This tactic would apply what is currently known to maximize acute anabolic responses as well as chronic anabolic adaptations.
    So I gave this a try, and while I still hate having to eat frequently it has indeed helped me grow bigger. I feel like I do put on more fat along with more muscle though.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I feel like I do put on more fat along with more muscle though.

      youre eating more food overall. that's why you are growing.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It is _easier_ to eat more food, yes. My point isn't that I gain more overall on frequent meals (with comparable calorie count) but rather that my body composition is different.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >these insane numbers
      guess what the body does with excess protein.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What's insane about them? They are particularly low.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Low? 2.2 g/kg is the metric version of the classic protein scam number, 1 g/lb. if every meal you eat contains 0.55 g/kg wtf do you eat? Just steak and chicken breast as your main source of calories?? surely not, so this is where our powders come in. Shekelstein Powders TM - you cannot build muscle without us. it's science!

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The range is 1.6-2.2g/kg. If you weigh 90kg that's 144-200g where 200g is basically the upper limit. 400g of chicken breast alone is over 120g of protein. You could eat 1 (ONE) chicken breast for lunch and one for dinner and you have already hit between 60 and 80% of your protein goals.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >eat two chicken breasts every single day and you still have another 20-40% of your requirements to cover
              yeah, if you're on gear. otherwise you're just eating a bunch of excess protein that your body will inefficiently burn or store as energy.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about. It's 1.6-2.2g/kg, and 1g/lbs, wtf

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think the math may be a bit too complicated for you.

                >eat two chicken breasts every single day and you still have another 20-40% of your requirements to cover
                yeah, if you're on gear. otherwise you're just eating a bunch of excess protein that your body will inefficiently burn or store as energy.

                You already need a minimum of 25-30g per meal to even trigger a spike in protein synthesis, and the recommendation from the study is a range between 36 and 50g per meal (if you weigh 90kg, for example).

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm a literal Computer Science student anon, math is absolutely my thing :0
                >minimum of 25-30g
                No, that was what was believed to he the maximum. You can get a minimum with a single gram of protein you dumb fuck. Your body isn't just chilling and doing nothing until a certain point of protein is reached. It adapts in response to the amount given to it in almost a linear fashion and slowly cuts off at the 30g mark and fully stops at maybe 0.5g/kg of bw.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So what you are saying is, in order to maximize the elevation of MPS you need a minimum of 25-30g of protein, glad we agree. It doesn't matter that more than 30g will not trigger a stronger response.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >insane numbers
        >right in line with ACSM recommendations, literally only time i have ever seen someone advocate correct protein intake here

        clueless

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    man you bros are worse than natural detox basic bitches

  42. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So much bro science on both sides of this argument.

    1. Digestion slows down and is spread out throughout a few hours a day if you don't eat more food.
    2. Digestion isn't a perfect system though and a lot of food can be passed without properly absorbing everything

    tldr stop eating meme diets.
    You don't need to eat 8 meals a day.
    You shouldn't just eat one meal a day either.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. People appeal to nature with fasts and crap (prob still good idea to do a 3 day fast for longevity everyone in a while-that part is pretty sound), but maybe theres a reason why most cultures settles on 3 meals a day.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yep most of it is logical fallacy.
        I've been doing IF for years, two decent sized meals.
        However I also snack on fruits in-between those meals.
        Helps regulate sugar, helps keep hydration, I also can't fit all my nutritional needs in 2 meals.

        Do meme things get meme results.
        People swear up and down on the opposite also
        >eat 50 small meals a day
        My father tried that, literally by the book from a nutritionist that he had to hire.
        No changes to weight or blood work other than losing a few pounds.

        Reality is most people don't know why certain things harm or help them. Everyone is so fucking vastly different it's stupid to try and min-max this shit.
        Instead try some different things, see what works for you.
        I like IF because I can't sleep when i'm hungry.
        So I'd rather starve at the start of the day and binge eat in the evening so I can actually relax.
        It works for me, don't expect it to work for others. Some people can't work when hungry.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >starve
          >binge
          You sound like a coping fatty

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            why you mad?

  43. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People keep saying this but like I've lifted with strongmen before and they just eat 2-3 fucking huge meals a day and don't carry little gay lunch bins with half a chicken breast and some cold rice in it. Strongmen have more muscle mass than bodybuilders.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why even lie online when people like Eddie Hall, you know an actual world champ strongman, has posted what he eats in a day and it's a ton of food all throughout it and between major meals. Same with Brian Shaw. you're just coping because it doesn't agree with your own desires.

  44. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is _anyone_ going to post a credible source for their claims? Blogs and Youtube videos don't count.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      holy shit shut the fuck up

  45. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The point of fasting isn’t to make muscle are you retarded? You’re not going to make muscle either when you eat at a deficit. That’s just how it works. Hell, go tell /fraud/ you’re gonna do your first steroid cycle on a cut and ask them what they think. And you morons expect to grow natty just cause you eat at certain times? The goal in fasting or cutting is simply to lose as little muscle as possible. If you fast, protein metabolism peaks by day 2 and falls of quickly the longer you fast. If you just diet, you’re constantly in this day 2 phase. You’ll be hungry but never in a starvation response. Not only that, but dieting will take way longer for the same result. So when you make these calculations, you also gotta take into account all the extra time you get in the gym on a complete diet, which is really the only time you make significant progress.

  46. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Do you have a source on that?

    Source?

    A source. I need a source.

    Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.

    No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.

    You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.

    Do you have a degree in that field?

    A college degree? In that field?

    Then your arguments are invalid.

    No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.

    Correlation does not equal causation.

    CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.

    You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.

    Nope, still haven't.

    I just looked through all 308 pages of your user history, figures I'm debating a glormpf supporter. A moron.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes yes, you posted the hilarious and very clever Reddit source thing, but understand that half of these are fucking legit questions with a lot of the bullshit broscience that gets thrown around here.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >broscience
        Broscience was born out of failure of establishment science. Establishment science taught me to replace the animal fats in my diet with trans fats as part of official curriculum. The bros are going to have to go a long way to match that failure.

  47. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Abject nonsense, not worth addressing

  48. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i'm fasting because i'm a fucking fatso who's diet isn't even remotely salvageable to something that could be reasonably healthy. might as well speedrun losing like a hundred pounds asap before worrying about building a new diet from the ground up

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Good job, fatso. Keep up the good work.

  49. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't understand.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's actually 10 months though.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is he fusing to the wall?

  50. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >eat meal
    >get diarrhea almost immediately after
    Does this count as skipping the meal?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Only for nutrients purposes, not for calories. The fuel is the first thing to get absorbed.

  51. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Dunning-Kruger, the thread
    You are all wrong about everything.

  52. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >kills
    But we're still alive

  53. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What if I am a calisthenicfag that doesn't want big muscles?

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