This man has caused irreparabel damage to the weightlifting community. Mark Rippetoe should be forced to face the consequences of his actions... but he won't.
You are looking at a man that's going to get away with it.
This man has caused irreparabel damage to the weightlifting community.
That man has gotten more people to get strong then anyone else. That man has also had a huge impact in making people train with barbells and he is reason your gym even has a squat rack, platform and a barbells.
You can't expect zoom zooms to know what lifting community was like 20 years ago
> ACCESSORIES ARE POINTLESS.
> SHOW MUSCLES ARE USELESS.
> YOU MUST DO ONLY 1/2/3/4.
> NO YOU CAN'T DO PULL UPS WITHOUT WEIGHTS NOO!!!
> NOO YOU CAN'T DO DIPS WITHOUT PROGRESSIVE OVERLOAD TO GET STRONGER!!!
> Agh 25kg dip broke my back NOOO CURSE YOU!
Its the people that shill for this idiot that are the biggest problem.
his advice would be based if he placed more priority on progressive overload for upper body lifts and keeping a better bodyfat percentage, instead of making his lifters bloated abomiantions with hute glutes and nothing else because they bulk on 1k cals a day and spend 90% of their training doing wide stance low bar squats (useless bullshit) and deadlifts (huge glute builder)
literally just training people to become sissies
picrel = average rippetoe client physique
picrel = you only follow one person's advice forever and never think for yourself. They deserve their fate, also do GOMAD, Squats & Oats!~
God I wanna put a guy on a SS programs for 4 months but in the last month pump him full of estrogen and wax him completely. IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK!?!?!?
check @poundpoundcake on twitter or smth like that, he's basically the SS end result
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people dont know where to start and rippetoe provides a set of 5 exercises which make it very easy to get started
i would not know where to start without stronglifts (which is starting strength)
these 5 exercises are the perfect base to branch off of
idk how anyone could hate rippetoe besides retarded larping dyels and zoomers
I did SS for a few months, then made my own brosplit. Made me squat and deadlift, I rate it 7/10.
And I agree with this. Biggest problem of the program is the
>your last set of 5x5 was a desperate mess of survival where you folding over 5 times in a row? heh add 5lbs next week :^)
You teach noobs to only go to technical failure in squats and deadlift. Sure if you're 17 and not a frail genetic dead end like I was it works out, but this mentality is catastrophic for a good portion of noobs and will get them hurt.
Are you kidding me? He was a Godsend for me. Especially when I was a 23-year-old trying to sift through this board's absolute bullshit.
same
its called STARTING strength for a reason
there is no better place to start, period
then later you branch off
Stronglifts? Arnold's Golden Six?
>Stronglifts
"I can't believe it's not starting strength"
>Arnold's Golden Six?
It would be decent conditioning for someone who's never done anything fitness related then hop on something more specific.
stronglifts is starting strength
no one in this board actually lifts, that's why they shit on SS
Lmao if you gays actually opened your ears and listened to the man he clearly states he doesn't give a fuck about aesthetics. He only cares about strength.
Anyone that follows his guide to a T for purely aesthetics is a retard. Blame yourself for being stupid.
Yet his points are still gay af, accessory lifts help build up the missing links from your body that help further your physical performance in lifting.
A noob doesn't have weak links, they're just weak
>I'm not a noob though
Then why are you doing STARTING strength
I just like roasting the shills that keep promoting his "fitness" advice.
>A noob doesn't have weak links, they're just weak
This is an argument against specificity, not for it. Avoiding accessory lifts just means that some parts of their body will become strong while other parts stay weak. Noobs need holistic training more than any other group tbh, when you're more advanced you're going to need more specificity and focus on lagging areas.
If you have a noob do nothing but squats his arms will grow from it for a while.
I don't buy that tbh, some people can barely grow their triceps from bench so how the hell would squats grow your arms when your arms don't get stimulated at all from squatting? And even if they do, you know what will give a noob 100x more arm growth? Arm isolation.
>but it will generate too much fatigue
Curls with fucking 15lb dumbbells is too much fatigue now? What?
Again, no one is saying that noobs shouldn't be doing the big compound lifts. People are saying that they should be doing those as well as isolation lifts for the smaller muscle groups that don't get stimulated particularly well.
It only applies to noobs but they've done a lot of studies on high school football players where they had them only do squats, and progressively overload on them and they got arm gains. Ofc it stops soon enough but by then if you're training properly you'll be close to intermediate level.
Nobody actually does that
Those are bait threads
>It only applies to noobs but they've done a lot of studies on high school football players where they had them only do squats, and progressively overload on them and they got arm gains.
Even then this still doesn't justify skipping 10 minutes of arm work at the end of the session, which would produce much better results. Most people want big arms to some extent, even among the more strength-oriented people some of them have big arms as a side-goal, so why not throw in some arm isolation? It takes very little time to do, and novices don't even need that much to begin with. 3 sets of curls and tricep extensions 1-2x a week is more than enough to get much better results than 0 sets per week.
Then do that
it's not like you're not allowed to
You morons need to start qualifying these statements by specifying that "a while" means about 3 months. You're the reason people come here and say "I've been doing 5x5 compounds for 2 years now and still look like shit, wtf bro you lied to me"
> Arms will grow just from squats.
Show me this fucking retarded logic in action, I'm waiting. Oh right it doesn't exist in evidence. Arms require some form of volume to build up. They are our tools to interact with the world so they are more tolerant to abuse in endurance fashion.
You're obviously never been past beginner.
A novice doing stronglifts will gain ALL muscles. The 5 lifts are enough and they're underdeveloped and catch up fast, that's known as noobie gains.
Absolutely, I've trained a couple of beginners with 5x5 and they gained arms without isolating. Squatting is the most important for a beginner.
>A novice doing stronglifts will gain ALL muscles.
No shit all their muscles will grow to some extent, but the proportions will be heavily distorted. I skipped curls and tricep extensions for months at a time out of laziness early in my training history, and you know what happened? My arms stopped growing, while my chest, back and legs kept growing just fine. There is no reason why noobs shouldn't add a few sets of curls and tricep extensions at the end of the session, do you seriously think that this is somehow too much for them when those lifts barely produce any fatigue?
>but the proportions will be heavily distorted
By doing compound movements? Without steroids? Hell no.
>stopped growing, while my chest, back and legs kept growing
Genetics, and arms are unequally trained by most. Look at ancient Greek statues, compare their hamstrings, calves, and core muscles, to the average curlbro's physique.
>shouldn't add a few sets of curls and tricep extensions at the end of the session
If you really think there's no added fatigue, go for it. You're focusing more on aesthetics from very early on. Starting Strength is really just about strength, it's just that aesthetic is much easier early on for any beginner to be satisfied.
Honestly I've been doing mostly compounds for over two years and my arms are pretty impressive but I understand it's genetic, short and thick, I'm prone to muscularity, I don't store much fat there, etc. I really don't care much about aesthetic and appreciate the fact that I'm lucky for it.
>By doing compound movements? Without steroids? Hell no.
Actually yes. Plenty of people, including myself, get very little arm growth from compounds alone. Bench goes up, chest gets bigger, triceps stay the same size. Chinup goes up, lats get bigger, biceps stay the same size. For many people, the bigger muscle does most of the work, while the smaller ones don't get taken as close to failure and therefore don't grow as much. Not to mention the fact that some muscles barely get worked at all on most compound lifts (eg long head of the tricep, since it crosses the shoulder joint).
>Genetics, and arms are unequally trained by most. Look at ancient Greek statues, compare their hamstrings, calves, and core muscles, to the average curlbro's physique.
Not training those muscles is also a mistake. I do a ton of work for my hamstrings (probably one of my best bodyparts tbh), calves, abs, and other muscles that do get neglected among curlbros. But you don't want to neglect arms like squatbros either unless you have a good reason to.
It's really weird to watch people try to come up with some kind of logical, training-oriented explanation for Mark Rippetoe's pure "too cool to look good" attitude. That's literally all it is. He doesn't tell people to train arms because he doesn't give a shit how people look because he's autistic and thinks it's manlier to not care.
Even in his own book he says, "Fine, just do the fucking curls at the end if you really want to do them". Why do you tie yourselves in knots coming up with reasons they shouldn't?
cow maker
IT'S JUST MEANT AS SOMETHING YOU DO TO GET STARTED. FOR SOMEONE INTO AESTHETICS THEY COULD JUST DO IT FOR 3 MONTHS THEN DO SOMETHING ELSE. THERE'S NO FUCKING NEED FOR CURLS OR WHATEVER THOSE FIRST 3 MONTHS ANYWAY, IT WON'T DO ANY DIFFERENCE.
>your legs chest and back will grow during the first 3 months if you train hard and eat enough food
>your arms? uhh they wont grow at all from arm isolation, wait until you're an intermediate
??????
You're not an intermediate after 3 months on SS, lol.
Whole body of a untrained person will grow from 3 months on SS without specific arms work if done right, including arms. Do you really think someone that started out with SS for 3 months without specific arms work would have had noticeable bigger arms if he had added specific arms work for those 3 months after 3, 6, 9, 12, 24 months etc.?
>Do you really think someone that started out with SS for 3 months without specific arms work would have had noticeable bigger arms if he had added specific arms work for those 3 months after 3, 6, 9, 12, 24 months etc.?
You could say the same thing about literally any other bodypart. If a beginner skipped bench for the first 3 months, would he have a noticeably smaller chest after 6, 9, 12, 24 months? Probably not. The point is that most people want big arms, and the first step to getting big arms is adopting the habits of a big-armed person, which would involve training your arms to some degree. Aka doing curls and tricep extensions. Might as well start doing that at the same time as everything else
he's a big guy
He has purposely trained them wrong, as a joke.
The worst thing about Rippetoe is his programming. The idea that you HAVE to add weight to the bar every week is nonsense.
You can have the same weight on the bar for months and still make gains by fucking with the rep ranges and time under tension. Just treat the big 3 like bodybuilding movements and go heavy occasionally. It’s a far safer way to train.
Doing nothing but 3x5 with no accessory work = fat.
5lbs every week is too much anyways, the plateau you hit doing that is basically the limit you had from the beginning, but now you're conditioned enough to reach your peak current strength
higher reps, 5-10 for me, with productive intensity, is how i build up my strength
i then "activate" my strength by peaking, AKA adding weight every week and doing lower reps at higher % intensity, which allows me to hit a true max
the linear progression plateau that new lifters hit is basically already like 95% of their strength, it was just latent because they weren't prepared for it
hypertrophic training is what works for me
Since he's turned so many into fatasses, can we really call SS "fitness"?
we can call SS "fatness"
He's a fat retard, you'd be better off listening to oy vey micheal greger