Thoughts on using a grappling dummy for martial artsv

Don’t really feel like going to a gym and risking messing up my joints but I thought I could learn some basics on a dummy. It seems like it would be similar to using a heavy bag for sparring. Obviously sparring is the best way to learn a striking art but using a heavy bag would be far better than nothing. Similarly if two people had to grapple each other where one person died a dummy for practice and the other never did anything I’m sure the one who used the dummy would do better.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just buy a bodypillow like everyone else.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    are you that scared of going outside and having contact with people?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Everyone knows grappling is bad on joints. And then I don’t have to schedule my day around when they have classes. I can just work on grappling when I feel like. Personally I think too many people just make excuses for not using a grappling dummy. Punching bags are used all the time for striking martial arts and I fail to see how a grappling dummy is any different.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >and I fail to see how a grappling dummy is any different.
        because your melanin count is too high. it's not your fault

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Unless you've ever trained, (like, for years), you will do every technique wrong on the dummy and it will still be no substitute for a fully resisting opponent, especially one that is bigger or stronger than you.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It’s not a full substitute. It’s merely doing something. Similarly using a punching bag would be better than nothing.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        But it's not better. If you don't know how to actually fricking punch, you're just developing bad, useless habits that will either hurt you, be ineffective, or get you hurt. Absolute waste of time. Go to a real fricking fight gym.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          This is assuming that every boxing gym will have a good coach. It’s totally possible to develop bad habits at a gym that has many amateur boxers.

          The question is this. One person will not do any boxing training. The other will hit the bag for a year and attempt to gain good technique. Which would have better odds?

          It’s the same with a dummy. You can watch videos and try to get better

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            And some guy with a month of actual training will mog you

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I don’t find the logic in the argument convincing. Let me show you why
              someone who only trains once a week will not be as good as someone training twice a week. It does not make the effort in going once a week bad. Similarly someone can train with a world class coach and progress far more than someone who trains with a random local coach. That does not mean training with an inferior coach is a waste.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Bro you can hit the heavy bag for fun it's fine but if you want to get any better than that you need to go to a gym and train. It's more than just "the coach".

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It’s actually not. It’s odd how when it comes to lifting technique people will scoff at anyone hiring a trainer to help with technique. Most are self taught and understand how to increase technique without a hands on coach. This applies for anything. It is not a necessary thing to have a hands on coach to improve from zero at martial arts.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Lifting is a solo activity. Combat sports aren't. If you aren't pressure training it's pointless larping.

                Sure, you can get some basic technique but you won't be able to apply it and you won't even know if it's correct. One hour long class a week is worth months of solo "training"

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Having really good technique is incredibly valuable. Besides just look at striking martial arts. Sparring is falling out of fashion and there is this new word called pressure testing. Basically it’s light sparring or slow motion sparring. This is bad as well because it trains you to react slower than you should. It’s basically negative reinforcement.

                But back to the question. This is really all that matters. Imagine there is someone who has absolutely pristine boxing technique but has never sparred before. He can throw combos that look like an Olympian. Your argument seems to be that unless you have actual sparring experience, I will use the word sparring because pressure texting to me is cringe nerd lingo that appeared on martial arts youtube, that you will have no advantage over someone in martial arts. This seems absolutely ludicrous. It’s not true. Someone who can punch hard fast and with perfect technique would be very dangerous against someone with decent experience and only mediocre technique speed and power. Take into account that in a self defense situation will be over very quickly where all the fancy things that you need in long drawn out matches will be irrelevant, it’s easy to see why it would be a huge benefit to have great technique.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It's very hard to have good technique with no actual training or instruction. Unless you are drilling and sparring with a resisting opponent you won't know how to actually apply the technique.

                Sure, you can condition and stuff. And that might be better than someone who does absolutely NOTHING. But it's an utter waste of time compared to just going to a gym.

                Honestly I would love to watch someone try this for a few months then go to an open mat/sparring session.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Just learn how to do ground movements.
                I.E. Bridge, Shrimping...
                after a couple months you will already be leagues ahead of other white belts.
                you will still need to role with people to understand the submission aspect
                picrel is free get it and use it
                >muh joints
                it no different the weight lifting just tap early if you don't know what to do

                this guy beat me in saying the same thing

                Having really good technique is incredibly valuable. Besides just look at striking martial arts. Sparring is falling out of fashion and there is this new word called pressure testing. Basically it’s light sparring or slow motion sparring. This is bad as well because it trains you to react slower than you should. It’s basically negative reinforcement.

                But back to the question. This is really all that matters. Imagine there is someone who has absolutely pristine boxing technique but has never sparred before. He can throw combos that look like an Olympian. Your argument seems to be that unless you have actual sparring experience, I will use the word sparring because pressure texting to me is cringe nerd lingo that appeared on martial arts youtube, that you will have no advantage over someone in martial arts. This seems absolutely ludicrous. It’s not true. Someone who can punch hard fast and with perfect technique would be very dangerous against someone with decent experience and only mediocre technique speed and power. Take into account that in a self defense situation will be over very quickly where all the fancy things that you need in long drawn out matches will be irrelevant, it’s easy to see why it would be a huge benefit to have great technique.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >it no different the weight lifting just tap early if you don't know what to do
                It’s entirely different. Lifting takes the joints through normal ranges of motion. Grappling is putting them repeatedly in compressing positions. Even then it seems inherently bad. Just look at wrestlers and their knees. With things like judo and bjj it’s basically the same. But with bjj it’s even worse from what it seems the others do

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/s54rOsD.jpeg

                Just learn how to do ground movements.
                I.E. Bridge, Shrimping...
                after a couple months you will already be leagues ahead of other white belts.
                you will still need to role with people to understand the submission aspect
                picrel is free get it and use it
                >muh joints
                it no different the weight lifting just tap early if you don't know what to do

                this guy beat me in saying the same thing[...]

                Compromising. Not compressing.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                are you training like a olympic Wrestlers?
                4 hours of drilling?
                If your letting your joints pass there range of motions you have lost.
                Never let them get to that point and like I said tap early when they do.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Not just high level. High school level ones will complain. This video is required viewing. So many people think they can have it all. That they can practice an incredibly demanding activity and be fine. Not true. Martial arts will put a persons body in a compromised state. If someone is concerned about being healthy mobile and active in their 60s then practicing martial arts is a sure fire way to ruin that. People want to feel masculine and tough by doing mma and such but how masculine will those people feel when they are in their 50s feeling the consequences from something that was just a hobby. It’s the martial arts hobbies that are the real fool. The pros who do it for a living can make a fortune. They can escape the drudgery of office work. But the hobbies gain nothing from it. A self defense situation is unlikely and using a self defense tool is more effective than learning a martial art. And to be confident ina. Self defense situation requires liekly far less than going to a gym three times a weekly for years. All they are doing is ruining their body.

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              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                you posted a naga medalist from when no one cared about long-term health.

                tldr

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I’m unsure what your suggestion is then? Just to make it a hobby but to not do it too long. As if it were smoking? Isn’t that conceding the point that martial arts are going to be a detriment to your health? It sounds like it. Basically if I want to make it a lifelong hobby or even one that is done for four years that it could leave someone with consequences

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It's less of a detriment than sitting on your ass and good fun. People have this obsession with becoming fighters without actually fighting. It's sad

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                His training is very different from the training now
                is my point he was also training to go pro (naga medalist)

                His injure was preventable by not training like a wiener shit but he took and kept training instead of you know fixing his knee

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >High school level ones will complain
                oh yeah your talking about me,
                I say do it

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Not just high level. High school level ones will complain. This video is required viewing
                Naga medalist
                He was trying to go pro and work full time

                >High school level ones will complain
                oh yeah your talking about me,
                I say do it

                wow a hs wrestler is fine with training

                Those points kinda kill your argument

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Theoretically if absolutely everything else were equal I guess the bag would give you an advantage but with no actual training that difference is so little you’d be better off doing other things including just being bigger and stronger.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You can watch videos on technique these days. It would be like going to a gym but just not sparring. I mean do you actually think it’s impossible to gain technique unless you have a coach physically there telling you what to do? You can’t just watch instructional videos and record yourself to improve like everyone does with lifting form?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You have a point, if you are incredibly diligent about filming your bag work you might get somewhere. In time you could potentially learn some decent punches through mimicry. I’d still argue you’re at a severe disadvantage without an educated third party providing feedback and without sparring to learn how to read, manage distance, footwork, defense, etc. But yeah if you manage to learn a solid jab, hook and cross that’d be better than nothing. I would also still say that a bigger and more aggresive opponent would starch you if all you’ve ever done is bag work. I don’t think its something you can really appreciate until you spar, your great punches are suddenly not so great when you can’t set them up.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Everyone thinks you won’t get better unless you have a coach likely based on the people who hit the bag for cardio. But those people are not trying to get better thy are just using the bag as cardio. It would be totally different if someone actually tried. Of course it would be rare for that to happen only because imo somoen who does want to get better would go to a gym. So all the people with motivation to try will not be doing it on their own but it is certainly feasible to do

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is this a good grappling dummy?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Better than what OP posted for sure.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Bro if you want to frick the dummy just do it you don't need an excuse or our approval.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Go join a gym you fricking nerd. There are middle aged and old fricks at mine. You'll be okay.

    You won't get anywhere training by yourself. Combat sport people are actually pretty chill in my experience, just go.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    OP, listen to what we are telling you. Anyone who has trained martial arts at all will tell you it is a complete waste of time to try to train on your own. Go to a gym.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Starting to wonder if this moronic Black person is just baiting. Go train.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >this moronic Black person is just baiting
      you right

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >I thought I could learn some basics on a dummy.
    Gonna burst your bubble right here: you can not learn the basics on a training dummy by yourself. They exist so your coach can watch you do a technique and correct your form. You'd be better off taking the money it would take to buy the dummy and using it to join a BJJ gym.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    don't listen to the other haters. get one if you have the space and spare cash for one. watch youtube and get good at the drills. ideally you would still train with a buddy or some guy at a martial arts gym, but working on technique with a dummy can't be the worst thing. I started doing boxing drills and bag work and I am pretty good even against trained opponents in sparing with similar experience to mine aka begginers. you're not going to be the best grappler but you're going to train your nervous system to execute some basic movements efficiently and correctly (hopefully) and it is a good workout for your core and your entire body, similarly to grappling with a person.

    I would get one if I had the space to slam one on the ground without demolishing my walls

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