Tourist here, is literally EVERYONE on steroids?
Pretty much every time I’ve ever googled “is x on steroids” it turns out they were or at least people put forward convincing evidence they were.
So what gives? Is it impossible to be buff and lean without steroids? I never knew this.
>I never knew this
welcome to fitness industry
Yes everyone is on roids, buy them while you can, don't do any research into them either, that will just slow you down
I sense sarcasm
more like sarmcasm
to be the influencer you need to be special case, especially considering you can do in 1 year what you can do in 4 as natty and less than 1/5 of the hard work. is it that hard to conclude?
It’s still hard work it’s just you recover sooner. Yes OP, and even more shocking you would be surprised to discover just how many people are on gear but still look like shit these days. I’m talking about people at your gym that you wouldn’t never think we’re using gear.
Don’t blame em, fitness is crazy these days
>Is it impossible to be buff and lean without steroids?
Without steroids, you can either be buff with no less than 10% bodyfat, or you can have 5% bodyfat while losing all your gains to get there. Your FFMI can realistically be between 20 and 25 as a natty, that is something like 6' 200 lbs with 10-15% body fat or maybe add 10 lbs and you can realistically be 12-17% BF. You will still have visible muscle definition from your muscle size. The catch is that you won't have the excessively well-defined look or shredded look of steroid users at 5-8% BF while keeping your size. How defined your muscles look as a natty will depend on how your body stores fat of course. It's not a big problem if you have realistic standards.
>you would be surprised to discover just how many people are on gear but still look like shit these days
That's because most of the steroid users in general are lazy. They take them, then because they aren't lucky and don't react the desired way to steroids (at least in whatever doses they're taking). So they never get big because they still need the 5-10 years of proper weight training and they never get it because they follow the advice of the steroid users who got lucky with the doses and blew up while doing improper training. That is they follow memes like "lifting for da pump" and then stopping or they fall for some meme program like starting strength and they didn't role the genetic lottery that let them make gains from taking roids and following those meme programs/strategies.
Sandow was 5'9 on a good day, he only looks impressive on carefully doctored photos. There's a reason there isn't a single picture of him standing next to someone else.
lanklet cope
and yet he probly fucks and you dont
>Sandow was 5'9 on a good day
That was above average when he was alive.
>Sandow was 5'9
So what? He made the desired gains according to his tastes and started bodybuilding as a sport. His height doesn't matter. BTW calisthenic bros,
>he only looks impressive on carefully doctored photos
Sounds like COPE on your part.
>There's a reason there isn't a single picture of him standing next to someone else.
Lol. Are you retarded? Here's a picture of him with a taller lifter called Goliath at the time because he was 6'6" tall and alleged 370 lbs (probably had Acromegaly based on his features).
Steve Reeves was 6ft 1. Further cope
i haven't seen it, it might be clickbait, but that autistic brown dude nattylife made a video a week ago saying that all the silver era bodybuilders were using. not saying that you couldn't achieve it naturally with top tier genetics, but i wouldn't be surprised at all if he wasn't natural tbh.
sandow was on roids and did cocaine to cut. not joking. roding was rampant in early strongman/bb
when I was in highschool a manlet classmate of mine blasted roids and got a dyel body
he was stupid as fuck
I guarantee you that those guys looked great, you just have much too high standards thanks to the media.
Lol you retards have no idea what you’re talking about your minds would melt like you were looking at an elder scroll if you knew how bad it was.
I’m not saying simply pinning doesn’t gain muscle but you insecure coping gays are acting like you pin once and wake up looking like prime Arnold as if you could look like any of the pros if you just hopped on gear. You wouldn’t. And neither would the vast majority of people. The only sound argument between you two is that being higher test = more energy, drive, appetite. Even then that’s not making someone gain 40lbs in 3 months by lifting maybe every two weeks while eating like shit. It’s negligible. Like 3lbs if you were to run 500mg and do fuckall.
>nooo I need to believe I could do the same shit if I was on gear too! They’re cheating! They’re cheating me out of… ???? Idk it just isn’t fair okay! It makes me insecure!
That’s a personal problem retards. Worry about yourself.
I suppose one could make this argument, but even a dude running half a gram of tren and not lifting or eating right/enough is gonna look like shit. You can find examples of people who did exactly that.
Most of these zoomers sarms goblins/gear users look like shit. You’re referencing the few who get anywhere and actually apply themself off tiktok, and those ones aren’t eating mcbugers and shit.
Most people who get on gear don’t even know what they’re doing with their cycles/steroid management OR in the gym. They make shit gains, usually aren’t cut, and wind up fucking themself up in the end anyways.
>I guarantee you that those guys looked great
They’re still gonna cope and cry and say he’s shredded from the gear and still gained some muscle completely disregarding that they were claiming one “blows up” on steroids easily earlier. That kid would have looked better staying natty and just doing push-ups daily unironically. The most average committed natty looks better than the most average uncommitted steroid user.
It’s so pointless for most people to even worry about steroids in the first place. The only people who should care are athletes and bodybuilders.
this is pure bullshit steroids will do literally all the work
Tell me all about your experience with that phenomenon, natty dyel.
>natty dyel
NTA but you're a massive fucking gay.
>nooo mega retards are having subpar gains while on gear
They'd have zero gains as a natty.
A natural lifter that has made some decent gains and has his shit dialled in halfway will blow the fuck up from moderate gear use. There is no comparison, stop downplaying your cheat codes and chemical dependence.
One day you'll have to come off for one reason or another, and that will be a funny day.
>just recover sooner
you have more energy, drive, appetite, strength and are growing by doing nothing but pin you fucking retard.
also age sooner and become hairlet
>It’s still hard work
Meanwhile literal kids on the broest brosplit with shit form and Happy Meals.
Steroids literally make you explode if gains.
>b-but most people look like shit on roids!
They're not pinning enough. Simple as.
>Meanwhile literal kids on the broest brosplit with shit form and Happy Meals.
They're eating more and training harder than (you).
Enjoy getting mogged by broccoli headed 15 year olds.
>I'm fucking up my endocrine system for life and thus I mog you, u mad???
Nta but yes you are clearly mad. You are also dumb to speak so matter of factly (and emotionally) on something you know nothing about. Stay mad. I don’t like it either, these Zoomer gays hopping on gear before they’ve even turned 25. But they’re not obtaining good physiques by hitting curls and bench once every 5 days
Is this how roidtrannies cope?
>Yes, you have stated good facts but ten again you are clearly mad
>if I say my arguments were facts that helps me deluxe myself into believing I won le epic IST argument
Local you posted was emotional nonsense to insinuate you’re somehow losing something because some retards choose to hop on gear. Get real loser. Cry harder that really seems to be helping you cope.
>you're losing your chance to go bald and get a limp dick, get real you loser
They're idiots for jumping on PEDs that young but they are obviously eating well and training hard. Brosplits aren't inherently bad if they strike the right balance between intensity, volume and frequency.
The fact I already accounted for and mentioned that it’s a stupid idea due to those problems, and it’s still your only argument. Literally just
>DUDE NO YOURE WRONG YOU PIN ONCE AND WAKE UP LOOKING LIKE THE ROCK YOU BLOWUP WITHOUT LIFTING
>NO BUT MUH SIDE EFFECTS
You’re missing my point entirely and this lack of comprehension is likely what got you into this point that you’re so insecure. Face reality, you don’t actually care about people on gear you’re mad at yourself. Furthermore, all you’ve done is show how little you know. Next you’re going to tell me you could hold world records in powerlifting if you hopped on.
T. Natty, since you seem not to understand anything I’m saying at all
They would have no muscle mass to speak of if they did not pin.
You literally gain more muscle roiding and sitting on your ass than you do natty lifting
false. You are not only wrong but literally a retarded gaywad
The fitness space is very niche and small imo. You need whatever you can to get a leg up on ppl. especially if you no real personality to carry your ass.
There are always more entertaining, funnier, more educated people then yourself. can you tick all the boxes that others haven't done already.
Everyone that looks better than me is a roids, obviously. There's no way anyone could work harder than me and get results because of it. They're all cheating
Roids are super scawy. Not even once. Just say no.
Post body
If you go down the rabbit hole you will find that not only is it impossible to be lean and muscular without steroids, but that this is a direct result of constant exposure to micro plastics, petrochemicals and other endocrine disrupters. There is plastic in our blood and pesticide in all the food you have ever consumed. Being “natural” no longer exists.
Don't listen to this person—it's totally possible. All people on steroids look disgusting anyway, so not like steroids are a better of two evils. But they are right in the second bit—we are all poisoned. You can eliminate a significant amount of future microplastic exposure if you care enough though.
>all people on steroids look disgusting
oh anon…lots of guys on test look like they’ve lifted for a year. go to steroid/bodybuilder forums and look at the progress pics. its very depressing
I know what you're saying (and maybe I am a little crazy to think this), but I think no matter what, steroids can't compete with the careful harmony of what our bodies construct naturally. When you upset the balance with steroids, you win in muscle and lose somewhere else. I feel like everyone who takes steroids looks a little fucked, whether it be their face, their skin, or even their general proportions. There will never be a magic shortcut.
I feel like you're a coping twink. Prove me wrong.
I won't lie, if I post body you will probably say I'm not big enough. But I think your perception of "muscular" has been warped by general media insisting that all these men on steroids are the "muscular" men. Or even just the encouraging across all mediums of this bulking bullshit, which is really just an excuse to continue status quo gluttony under the guise of muh bodybuilding. Yes, bulking and steroids will let you lift bigger numbers and be stronger. But that's not the same as being healthy and attractive. I assume many will shit on me, but I encourage you to wake up and realize that given the extreme and constantly rising rates of obesity and overweightness in the world, you ought to be wary of any advice to GET BIGGER and WEIGH MORE. Everyone would do well to be smaller, thinner, leaner.
You realize many people will do a cycle just want to maintain muscle while quickly cutting weight, right? You seem to have this impression everyone that does steroids is doing so to look like Coleman. I agree with most of what you're saying, but at the end of the day if people choose to take PEDs, go for it.
Sure, but I think the reality is that the admittedly slower and more difficult process of cutting at a slow enough rate so as not to atrophy while maintaining a consistent, high-volume workout (with all the good stuff like progressive overload, compound movements, etc.) would end up with better results than such a cycle. And none of the risks to the heart and other shit, which is perhaps the worst part of the steroids tradeoff.
My philosophy is basically this: think of all the random high school and college athletes of the world. Not the famous ones, and not even the particularly talented ones. Just random chads and chadettes. The majority of this group are not taking steroids. And they are muscular, big, and look great. This is all you need to be happy, healthy, and top-tier attractive. You can further gain skill, increase strength, optimize hypertrophy, etc. if you want. But just achieving this "basic" level of all-around fitness puts you into the 0.1%. This is both a whitepill and a blackpill.
Nobody cares about being healthy and attractive though, only about internet fame.
Everyone you think looks good is on roids.
Paranoia mixed with cope. Fuck off and stop encouraging young men to take more drugs than are already shoved down their throat.
No one's encouraging anything. We are just asking zoomers to have realistic expectations. If you want to be lean, you are going to be no bigger than Brad Pitt from Fight Club as a natural with average genes who doesn't spend his entire waking life on gym and micromanaging his diet; that's just the truth. And while you are going to look good under a shirt, you aren't going to look big by any means. The point is, you cannot look "big, strong and buff" without steroids or at least making natty bodybuilding your entire career.
Once you get in a habit of shopping and cooking efficiently, you don't need to micromanage a good diet (unless you are wasting your time counting calories/macros and prepping shit like chicken breast, broccoli, and rice). And you don't need to be in the gym all day either, or have a personal trainer. You could do an hour long full-body workout three days a week and 30min of cardio on three of the recovery days, paired with some prehab/rehab exercises and stretches after. Doesn't even need to be autistically optimized to work. Given this, your doom and gloom of maintaining a nice natural body seems like a misguided exaggeration. I will agree with you on the rest of your post though. My claim is that that people are chasing artifice when they want significantly bigger than that Brad Pitt, or to look like a beast even with clothes on. What is most attractive, what is most healthy, and what our body wants and is designed for, is to be the lean, mean fighting machine. I think there is natural genetic variation, and even some hard manual labor circumstances that will naturally push people surprisingly bigger, but for the most part something is wrong when we begin to look like an ape.
Yep, all look fucked to me. I hope you will someday clear the fog of conditioning in your brain and restore the intuition that is your birthright of being able to recognize at an extremely detailed level a healthy body in yourself and others.
Yeah go tell that to Chris bumstead, Frank Zane, Steve Reeves...
is there any actual proof of plastic inside us or is it baseless fearmongering by "the science"
It was somewhat receently shown that microplastics cross the blood/brain barrier. There's no argument about it being in us, but there's no consensus on the effects. We're gonna have to wait a whole generation for the long term studies to come out before anyone even tries to legislate (if necessary). I don't know why anyone would think it's a good think to have plastic accumulate in your brain tho.
what would microplastics be in for us to get them?
Not him but any food you heat up in a plastic container, the water we drink, etc etc, you eat about a credit cards worth of plastic or more every year through microplastics. It's a serious issue, you know how the Victorians ignored things like mercury in medicines? We have our own versions of that.
Pretty much all our food and water comes into contact with plastic which leaches out. It's the same concept as lead pipes used for plumbing in ancient Rome (or Flint MI). At least it's understandable that the romans gave lead the benefit of the doubt since it's the most stable element in the universe and even still it made people retarded.
Eventually the lead was coated in calcium from the water and prevented the lead from leaching off into the water.
Source- I think I read that somewhere
If you believe scientific papers (and I don't blame you if you don't), you can look up a recent famous one from 2022 confirming exactly this.
Or, just look closely at any polyester in your house and rub it a bit. Look at the fibers coming off. Look at the cuts in a plastic cutting board. Break a bit of foam and see the little shit that falls out. Do you think this all just disappears? You inhale some of it, you eat some of it, some sticks to your skin, and you can bet plenty of it has infiltrated your water supply, the water circulating in the environment around you as rain, runoff, etc., into the food chain and in the bodies of the animals you eat, and so on.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160412022001258
>plastic in human blood
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160412020322297
>plastic in human uterus
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.est.8b05592
>bonus round: estrogen in the ground water
Get on test asap bros
>Don't listen to this person—it's totally possible.
t. started lifting 6 months ago, bench pr 70lbs
You'll learn the hard way, just like we all did.
I don't lift, at least in the traditional way. I don't use barbells or machines. I've done calisthenics on and off for 8 years, I've been bouldering for 3 years, and recently I use some dumbbells and kettlebells.
>I don't lift
Welcome to fit/
Yeah these guys think they will have chad physique in 6-8 months of going to the gym and eating right. The fitness industry has given us all body dysmorphia and unrealistic expectations.
Who tf lifts 6 months and has 70lbs? I went from 135 once to 215 in 7 months
>le endocrine disruptors
These do have an effect don't get me wrong, but bad diet/sleep/stress/activity levels is far worse. In fact if you manage to fix all of those your body is actually able to deal with and eliminate estrogenic endocrine disruptors much more easily. Fix those and you'll have zero problems, no need for fucking memeshit roids and TRT
holy fucking dyel cope
Its not plastic's fault you're a bitch
If they're making money of their fitness social media or have some other career that depends on the look of their physique, the answer is yes.
At your local gym? Maybe like 1 or 2 people, and you'll know em.
>At your local gym? Maybe like 1 or 2 people, and you'll know em.
lol no way, i know dozens that pin at my gym, ranging from scrawny people to big bodybuilders to fat powerlifters, different dosages, differetent compounds and different genetics give you varied results
something like 25% of dudes in commercial gyms are on roids
most of them look like shit too lol
The tl;dr is steroids allow you to cheat but if you stop taking them you lose most of your gains, you can retain some if you do PCT appropiately but the short answer is unless you're wealthy, have a personal doctor/trainer and are taking quality gear (even then) you're risking organ damage, fucking up your hormones, even developing serious cancers. Basically, don't do it.
I'm trans btw
Kept almost all my gains after doing a roid cycle, still have them and have not lifted for two years
Nah, there's residual benefits for the rest of your life.
taking testosterone wont give you cancer retard
Go to a gym and behold the level of muscles. The dudes that are jacked are either juicing or using sarms. Zoomergays use sarms and the tree truck 40+ers are needling it up. I am a ottermode trainer and when I see a Man with stretchmarks on his rear delts...that's not natural.
>So what gives?
Content creators need to max out their size and/or maintain their size with little effort so they can get more sponsors and sell shit to consumers.
If they can't do that, they'll still be gay for pay and do nasty shit in Dubai to keep funding their roids until they "make it".
it's over
>Tourist here, is literally EVERYONE on steroids?
Not literally ofc but pretty much. We've been over this before, too.
Many many celebrities and fitness people are on juice. Even dumbass ticktock/instagram/twitter zoomers are munching on SARMs.
That being said, a lot is angle/light frauding with pumps and even some photoshop too
roids are everywhere now. Everyone is on them. There was this zoomer lanklet at my gym who barely works out and looks like a ripped wendigo because he roids and doesnt work out at all.
>Tourist here, is literally EVERYONE on steroids?
Yes. All pros, everyone who makes a living with thwir body/looks (eg. actors) and the majority of amateurs is juicing.
There is no way to reach the modern beauty ideal naturally. Everyone you think looks good is on PEDs.
>Is it impossible to be buff and lean without steroids?
Yes, and that means huge amounts of steroids. If you look at Golden Age bodybuilders (Arnold's era) they weren't exactly huge and cut to shreds by modern standards, and they were already full of juice.
Everyone on the front page SEO shit you're looking at is on steroids. Yes even the dorks like Jeff Nippard. Then if you dig deeper it's more fake natties like AlphaDestiny or natural hypertrophy.
Roids aren't that expensive or damaging to long term health anyways.
Roidchud thread
^twink
>hour and half long video by some Euromutt dyel sitting on his toilet ranting about roiders
>DYEL
he has 17 inch arms while shredded. he's close to the natty limit, pic related.
>17" arms
doesnt count for stubby little manlet arms
6 feet
Why do you know the height, weight, arm size etc of some youtube nobody?
Seriously what the fuck is wrong with you?
I dont even know who this gay is and you're here white knighting for him and telling us every intimate detail about his body.
Do you have any idea what a weird gay you are?
I know exactly those two stats about him because they're the kind of stats I pay attention to. I've watched a couple of his videos before. weird.
meanwhile
>this near natty limit body is DYEL
(body dysmorphia)
>he's a manlet
(bad at estimating height, yet convinced you're good at it)
cool and normal.
>pays attention to other men's height and arm size
>even gets good at estimating other men's height from watching them on youtube
>totally not a homosexual gay queer
>>pays attention to other men's height and arm size
DYEL?
Most influencers are on steroids because they are competing for attention. The issue here is that you think looking good is being jacked. You can look good as a natty without looking like a roidchud.
greek statue look is peak natural. Anyone who looks like thor, liverking, mr olympia, etc are roiding.
It's very hard to have an impressive physique without roids.
It's much easier to have one with roids.
So statistically, they probably are.
Almost no one is on steroids.
But the 0.1% on the top of the fitness industry that everyone sees and knows? Yeah they are.
Steroids are the second most popular drug in America right after weed and before heroin. Even more popular than heroin.
>before heroin. Even more popular than heroin.
Fentanyl has largely replaced heroin.
You can walk through certain parts of major cities and see tons of people strung out on fentanyl.
You can't walk through many areas and see a bunch of juicebros, except muscle beach.
Because 99% of people who juice are just regular people with regular lives and dont need to live on the street with other juicers? What a fucking stupid comparison, lmao
>Steroids are the second most popular drug in America
Lol
Lmao even
Steroids are and will always be niche so long as you need to pin because people fucking HATE needles
(just look at the COVID vax to see how many pussies hate a baby shot in their arm)
Most people are just not going to be injecting 1+cc of something with a relatively big-ass needle on a weekly (or more) basis
All that said that's why SARMs (and turkesterone fucking lol) are so popular especially among zoomies who despite effort and a hint of pain
>Steroids are and will always be niche so long as you need to pin because people fucking HATE needles
>(just look at the COVID vax to see how many pussies hate a baby shot in their arm)
People didn't take the experimental drug because it was a generally untested and now proven a fairly ineffective drug. Meanwhile many of the same people didn't have a problem going to the lab to get blood drawn with a needle as part of their regular bloodwork and likely even got the flu shot every year.
In US High Schools, it is estimated that as much as 5% of males have used anabolic steroids at least once. For the worldwide population, it's 3.3% for regular use. Of course in the studies which these numbers are used, many may be lying so we can take these numbers as a minimum. If we extract population that are likely too impoverished to afford steroids like the majority of the African population and focus only on more developed countries, the rate is probably at least 5% in the general population. If you restrict to regular gymgoers and ignore the few old men who take it to help with test loss, the fatasses who are 30+% of the population in most affluent countries, the trannies, and the skinnyfats who never touched a weight in their life, the rates is much higher.
>will always be niche
Every single hobby regularly practiced including bodybuilding is a niche. Everything that requires some form of specialization in its practice is "niche." You are using the word niche incorrectly and as nothing more than a buzzphrase. At best you only uttered a tautology without even realizing it. At worst you're just a retard using "niche" as a buzzword.
>Meanwhile many of the same people didn't have a problem going to the lab to get blood drawn with a needle as part of their regular bloodwork and likely even got the flu shot every year
https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/hc-sc/images/services/publications/vaccins-immunisation/seasonal-flu-vaccination-coverage-en.jpg
Less than 50% of adults want to get just one ONE shot in their arm each year
And I'm guessing way wayyy less even get bloodwork each year
Also remember how the COVID vax stats fucking dropped off a cliff once people were required 3+ shots
Yeahhhh this just supports what I'm saying that the genpop fucking hates needles
And honestly that shouldn't surprise everyone
>you don't like stabbing yourself multiple times a week!?
Should be common sense
>In US High Schools, it is estimated that as much as 5% of males have used anabolic steroids at least once. For the worldwide population, it's 3.3%
This includes oral-only cycles
I'm positive if you filtered by injecting testosterone it would be way wayyy less
>If we extract population that are likely too impoverished to afford steroids like the majority of the African population
thinks morons dont steal money to buy drugs kek
>(just look at the COVID vax to see how many pussies hate a baby shot in their arm)
yeah buddy I'm sure that's why people didn't want to modify their genome to produce chronic inflammation
How would one go to acquire these “steroids”? (Hypothetically speaking)
That's up to you to figure out. It's a ritual we all go through.
If you search for talk about steroid sources, you should be able to figure it out
look up sources on eroids dot com
Can confirm
>t currently using steroids
I’m relatively “buff” and I don’t use anything. Just good lighting and a pump.
how many years lifting?
don’t give a shit about influencertrannies, but if I ever meet a local roidchud whose on gear while pretending he isn’t in every thread he’s in, I’m gonna cave his tiny genetic mistake head in
you wont do shit, squirt
If you see anyone bigger than pic related then you can safely assume they're roiding.
Alot of /cbt/ probably but most of this board looks like shit and doesn't roid. You obviously are a tourist. Now go away we're full
You can get movie level buff if you're natty with good genetics. But of course there's no way to look like Arnie as a natty. And also just because a physique is achievable natty, doesn't make it easy or practical. Sterons make everything easier, at the expense of your health.
It comes down to this: if you just want to look good in the mirror, stay natty. But if you're a top athlete or performer that makes a living through their body, yeah you might have to take that risk.
Most people who make money by being fit is using PEDs. Athletes are the only exception because they actually get tested, but there is still a HUGE doping industry for athletes who want to cheat the tests. When the Lance Armstrong scandal blew up we found out that pretty much everyone in cycling is doping. It's just that some of them get sloppy or unlucky and get caught.
If you stand to make millions and millions of dollars from having a nice body and nobody is testing you, then why the fuck wouldn't you cheat to make things easier?
Let's look at that muh hard work argument. Even if we compare two natties, one with average muscle building genetics and one on the upper end (still normal for natties) of the spectrum, the one with superior genetics can gain twice the amount of muscle in the same time, with the same effort. Now imagine the one with the great genetics hops on gear.
Natty body building is the biggest meme. Guys looking strong and lean like 4 weeks out. By the time they get on stage they have lost half their size to get lean enough.
im not on roid 🙂
>Is it impossible to be buff and lean without steroids?
no, if you train your entire life with utter vigilance you could reach a "roid" level by 25-30 years old
pretty much all fitness influencers are roiding but its actually very uncommon among regular gym goers
disagree
i see too many zoomers clearly on roids/sarms because they've made the same progress as me but it took me 10 years and they're only like 20 so they've realistically only been lifting for 3-4 years
20 years have higher testosterone levels so gains are much faster.
bullshit. the peak is only a few percent higher and then you stay level for the rest of your life. stop repeating men's "health" clinic marketing.
3-4 years are enough to reach very, very close to genetic potential given you do everything right. of course nobody does everything right so it's a theoretical figure. also I agree that tons of zoomers are in fact on roids. just saying you can only reasonably suspect them, not say with certainty that they're on gear for having a physique that IS achievable naturally (according to your own assessment, that they are the same as you, not significantly bigger).
No. I'm on estrogen. I inject 3 mL subQ every 5 days. It's like reverse Testosterone, I do it to make the gym harder because it's not enough of a challenge for me. The ultimate hardmode challenge.
Estrogen is a steroid you fucking moron
Anyone that looks good is on steroids pretty much. Even a lot of people that look dyel are also on steroids. Do you think it's just a coincidence that no-one liked remotely muscular and lean by modern standards until the 1950's when steroids became widely available.
I see the gym instructors speaking in the locker room in my poor gym, they can't afford all the premium stuff like HGH, because you need those to look good,
Those people make do with some spray-tan and chinese shit, they have a noticeable gout after not even 5 years on that shit.
They spoke in front of me, to see if I would be interested to buy some, this is how they do it. I'll tell you how it went if you are interested
yes please tell us more of your made bullshit larp
/thread
buying steroids in 2023 is literally easier and safer than buying stuff from amazon. I guarantee at LEAST 25% of your gym (unless you go to planet fitness/YMCA) is on some level of gear or TRT. Any guy older than 40 is more likely than not on test. Anybody who is lean is most likely on, unless they're DYEL. I've been to countless gyms with over a decade of experience, and i've met a shit ton of people. About half the guys I ever talked to ended up admitting to being on gear or some type of "TRT"
Wanna know who the real naturals are? They are skinnyfat/fat, stick to the compound lifts, are wholly unimpressive (never wear stringers or tank tops) and look like regular untrained people
>They are skinnyfat/fat, stick to the compound lifts
don't expect to stop being skinnyfat if all you do is compound lifts. compound lifts, of obvious reasons, won't get you big arms.
In the USA it's extremely common, it's more rare in Middle Europe, most of the people here get their gear from Eastern Europe.
You can look very good without steroids, you just have to be way more strict with your diet and workout. It's like in FPS games, you can be a very good CS:GO player with knowledge and well-trained AIM but a guy with a good AIM Bot can play as good as you without investing the time needed for that.
every time somebody is paid to be shirtless in front of a camera, and it is not for comedic effect: this person is on steroids