>trains for like 10 years with Jeff >still looks DYEL
what the frick
Also I bet his diet is pretty shitty in the sense he doesn't eat enough. Jeff doesn't really make nutrition a huge focus other than pointing out how bad calorie dense foods can be when you're trying to lose fat.
The problem is Jesse has the opposite issue, he doesn't need to lose fat, he needs to gain muscle which means bulking. That translates to eating at an excess and more importantly on a protein heavy diet. Jesse, depending on his height and weight, should likely be eating at 3000+ for maintenance simply because his job is to literally work out and build muscle, regardless of his other roles, he can't really not work out. His office and workplace is literally a private gym.
Jeff doesn't talk about this because he knows nothing about this. Jeff is an athletic trainer and does rehabilitation and injury prevention. To him eating to bulk is antithetical to his expertise. When you are rehabbing a person or trying to prevent injuty one of the first thing you target is fat loss. The idea of eating to get bigger when you are injured or trying to recover is typically the last thing you want. So of course he knows little to nothing about it. It is a contrast to his education and experience.
Jeff was great for Jesse in year one or even year two, but past that Jesse should have been straight up bulking years ago to really maximize his growth. Focusing on 300 calorie excess with 1.2 grams of protein per lean bodyweight or more.
That isn't focused on at all. It's called AthLEANx afterall, but as a result gains are left on the table and viewers eventually have to go elsewhere to get that info. Jeff should have brought on a nutritonist in a partnership years ago, along with a strength coach with a similar background as his ages ago. Could have expanded his brand and really hiven his viewership more options under his control and channel.
I think he's taking some hard meds, he explained his history and he had some kind of tough mental illness
>being red and having shitty tattoos makes you look like an athaleet
>more muscle mass >didn't get fat >his lifts shot up
look, talk shit about Jeff all you want but Jesse or Jessie whatever is a bro, given the shit cards her was given he's done pretty well
>given the shit cards her was given he's done pretty well
and those cards would be...?
to me he looks a little skinny and his handsome face features aren't his strong suit
>shit starting genetics >severe depression >anxiety
meds frick you up big time, this + whatever 6%bf bullshit Jeff spouted hindered his results a lot, had he done a bunch of bulk/cut cycles he would be twice the size he is now probably but it's still pretty good progress imo
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iirc he also was in a very serious accident, I think a car crash, and was heavily injured to the point where even years after recovery he can't lift too heavy or he passes out and his heart stops working or something crazy like that.
>and was heavily injured to the point where even years after recovery he can't lift too heavy
I'm calling bullshit on that. Sounds like a sob story made up to gather likes.
If he really was that held back by his supposed injuries, he wouldn't be lifting heavy shit for a living and showing it off on social media.
>shit starting genetics >severe depression >anxiety
meds frick you up big time, this + whatever 6%bf bullshit Jeff spouted hindered his results a lot, had he done a bunch of bulk/cut cycles he would be twice the size he is now probably but it's still pretty good progress imo
iirc he also was in a very serious accident, I think a car crash, and was heavily injured to the point where even years after recovery he can't lift too heavy or he passes out and his heart stops working or something crazy like that.
Yeah I didn't want to say that because I had only a faint memory but if it's at least two of us remembering it then it's likely true. Again, nothing but respect for this guy, he's not the biggest baddest guy but he does his thing and he's improved a lot.
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Also I bet his diet is pretty shitty in the sense he doesn't eat enough. Jeff doesn't really make nutrition a huge focus other than pointing out how bad calorie dense foods can be when you're trying to lose fat.
The problem is Jesse has the opposite issue, he doesn't need to lose fat, he needs to gain muscle which means bulking. That translates to eating at an excess and more importantly on a protein heavy diet. Jesse, depending on his height and weight, should likely be eating at 3000+ for maintenance simply because his job is to literally work out and build muscle, regardless of his other roles, he can't really not work out. His office and workplace is literally a private gym.
Jeff doesn't talk about this because he knows nothing about this. Jeff is an athletic trainer and does rehabilitation and injury prevention. To him eating to bulk is antithetical to his expertise. When you are rehabbing a person or trying to prevent injuty one of the first thing you target is fat loss. The idea of eating to get bigger when you are injured or trying to recover is typically the last thing you want. So of course he knows little to nothing about it. It is a contrast to his education and experience.
Jeff was great for Jesse in year one or even year two, but past that Jesse should have been straight up bulking years ago to really maximize his growth. Focusing on 300 calorie excess with 1.2 grams of protein per lean bodyweight or more.
That isn't focused on at all. It's called AthLEANx afterall, but as a result gains are left on the table and viewers eventually have to go elsewhere to get that info. Jeff should have brought on a nutritonist in a partnership years ago, along with a strength coach with a similar background as his ages ago. Could have expanded his brand and really hiven his viewership more options under his control and channel.
It would also make sense as to why he's stuck with someone like Jeff whose specialty is rehab and injury prevention like
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Also I bet his diet is pretty shitty in the sense he doesn't eat enough. Jeff doesn't really make nutrition a huge focus other than pointing out how bad calorie dense foods can be when you're trying to lose fat.
The problem is Jesse has the opposite issue, he doesn't need to lose fat, he needs to gain muscle which means bulking. That translates to eating at an excess and more importantly on a protein heavy diet. Jesse, depending on his height and weight, should likely be eating at 3000+ for maintenance simply because his job is to literally work out and build muscle, regardless of his other roles, he can't really not work out. His office and workplace is literally a private gym.
Jeff doesn't talk about this because he knows nothing about this. Jeff is an athletic trainer and does rehabilitation and injury prevention. To him eating to bulk is antithetical to his expertise. When you are rehabbing a person or trying to prevent injuty one of the first thing you target is fat loss. The idea of eating to get bigger when you are injured or trying to recover is typically the last thing you want. So of course he knows little to nothing about it. It is a contrast to his education and experience.
Jeff was great for Jesse in year one or even year two, but past that Jesse should have been straight up bulking years ago to really maximize his growth. Focusing on 300 calorie excess with 1.2 grams of protein per lean bodyweight or more.
That isn't focused on at all. It's called AthLEANx afterall, but as a result gains are left on the table and viewers eventually have to go elsewhere to get that info. Jeff should have brought on a nutritonist in a partnership years ago, along with a strength coach with a similar background as his ages ago. Could have expanded his brand and really hiven his viewership more options under his control and channel.
Instead he does shitty clickbait and videos.
mentions. For all his faults, Jeff probably understands Jessies situation better than anyone and knows how to work around it which is probably why Jessie has stuck with him through everything
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Initially, yes, but Jeff has limits. They are obvious too, he's not a stength coach, he doesn't know much in way of nutrition. I think I've seen videos where he just ralks about how he divides his plate into portions and thats how he calculates his nutrition.
Thats a joke for a person who needs to bulk and has trouble gaining mass. If you are young with a fast metabolism and you need to gain muscle tracking your macros is essential to gaining muscle because your apetite is an u reliable indicator of your bodily needs at that point.
In the same way fat people undercount the calories of what they eat, skinny guys tend to overcount. So they don"/ get bigger in the same way fat people don't get thinner. Getting a good calculator isn't an exCt science but it is far superior than jist eyeballing the shit, whivh is pretty much what Jeff does.
>he had some kind of tough mental illness
I used to watch a lot of Jeff's videos, in one of them he explained that Jesse has had multiple concussions, playing lacrosse in university I think, and now suffers from brainfog and migraines if my memory serves
Anyone with average genetic could achieve this in less than a year.
Jeff is a total hack job of a trainer and the fakest natty around.
Let plebbits gobble his shit exercises straight from his butthole and make no gains, while you go and actually work hard and make the gains. >hey guys do this convoluted total shit movement with no weight, it is good for you and mo helfy, trust me I'm a physical therapist and a fake natty.
Truly the greatest gainsgoblin
you can see in the vid he was very skinny when he started, I'm guessing also a manlet with shit genetics, wristlet
issue is he's trying to stay too lean, arms lack size, but he's actually got fairly strong, his back looks solid in that one shot
issue is his diet not his training
he could use a bulk but maybe he's just happy being lean
No you autist. Learn to read. Not saying he doesn't look good, but he looks good for someone who is 2 years in, not 10. Let alone working hand in glive with one of the most popular fitness youtubers out there.
Jeff is killing his gains.
Looks good
That's literally a normal natty buildup. Noticeable difference to any non steroid chaser.
Also I bet his diet is pretty shitty in the sense he doesn't eat enough. Jeff doesn't really make nutrition a huge focus other than pointing out how bad calorie dense foods can be when you're trying to lose fat.
The problem is Jesse has the opposite issue, he doesn't need to lose fat, he needs to gain muscle which means bulking. That translates to eating at an excess and more importantly on a protein heavy diet. Jesse, depending on his height and weight, should likely be eating at 3000+ for maintenance simply because his job is to literally work out and build muscle, regardless of his other roles, he can't really not work out. His office and workplace is literally a private gym.
Jeff doesn't talk about this because he knows nothing about this. Jeff is an athletic trainer and does rehabilitation and injury prevention. To him eating to bulk is antithetical to his expertise. When you are rehabbing a person or trying to prevent injuty one of the first thing you target is fat loss. The idea of eating to get bigger when you are injured or trying to recover is typically the last thing you want. So of course he knows little to nothing about it. It is a contrast to his education and experience.
Jeff was great for Jesse in year one or even year two, but past that Jesse should have been straight up bulking years ago to really maximize his growth. Focusing on 300 calorie excess with 1.2 grams of protein per lean bodyweight or more.
That isn't focused on at all. It's called AthLEANx afterall, but as a result gains are left on the table and viewers eventually have to go elsewhere to get that info. Jeff should have brought on a nutritonist in a partnership years ago, along with a strength coach with a similar background as his ages ago. Could have expanded his brand and really hiven his viewership more options under his control and channel.
Instead he does shitty clickbait and videos.
Very well-made post.
One thing I would add is that seeing Jessie get fat would make Jeff's viewers lose a lot of faith in the AthLEANx name.
well he does look more like an athlete now
>being red and having shitty tattoos makes you look like an athaleet
flouride stare
I think he's taking some hard meds, he explained his history and he had some kind of tough mental illness
>more muscle mass
>didn't get fat
>his lifts shot up
look, talk shit about Jeff all you want but Jesse or Jessie whatever is a bro, given the shit cards her was given he's done pretty well
OK Jess.
You have a girls name.
>given the shit cards her was given he's done pretty well
and those cards would be...?
to me he looks a little skinny and his handsome face features aren't his strong suit
>shit starting genetics
>severe depression
>anxiety
meds frick you up big time, this + whatever 6%bf bullshit Jeff spouted hindered his results a lot, had he done a bunch of bulk/cut cycles he would be twice the size he is now probably but it's still pretty good progress imo
damn that sounds rough.
>and was heavily injured to the point where even years after recovery he can't lift too heavy
I'm calling bullshit on that. Sounds like a sob story made up to gather likes.
If he really was that held back by his supposed injuries, he wouldn't be lifting heavy shit for a living and showing it off on social media.
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iirc he also was in a very serious accident, I think a car crash, and was heavily injured to the point where even years after recovery he can't lift too heavy or he passes out and his heart stops working or something crazy like that.
Yeah I didn't want to say that because I had only a faint memory but if it's at least two of us remembering it then it's likely true. Again, nothing but respect for this guy, he's not the biggest baddest guy but he does his thing and he's improved a lot.
Good post
It would also make sense as to why he's stuck with someone like Jeff whose specialty is rehab and injury prevention like
mentions. For all his faults, Jeff probably understands Jessies situation better than anyone and knows how to work around it which is probably why Jessie has stuck with him through everything
Initially, yes, but Jeff has limits. They are obvious too, he's not a stength coach, he doesn't know much in way of nutrition. I think I've seen videos where he just ralks about how he divides his plate into portions and thats how he calculates his nutrition.
Thats a joke for a person who needs to bulk and has trouble gaining mass. If you are young with a fast metabolism and you need to gain muscle tracking your macros is essential to gaining muscle because your apetite is an u reliable indicator of your bodily needs at that point.
In the same way fat people undercount the calories of what they eat, skinny guys tend to overcount. So they don"/ get bigger in the same way fat people don't get thinner. Getting a good calculator isn't an exCt science but it is far superior than jist eyeballing the shit, whivh is pretty much what Jeff does.
It's fricking laughable.
>he had some kind of tough mental illness
I used to watch a lot of Jeff's videos, in one of them he explained that Jesse has had multiple concussions, playing lacrosse in university I think, and now suffers from brainfog and migraines if my memory serves
>life is less in focus, can't remember shit
>implying anything in this world gets better the more you understand
>implying anything is worth remembering
natty limit. anyone denying it is a roid troon
what was his goal?
I'd kill to just look like him on the left.
you see DYEL , i see successfully transitioned FtM
Did he take loads of roids?
he looks great now. he looks like a scrawny kid on the left and a fully developed healthy man on the right.
He looks fine, quit being a sperg
What do you expect someone to look after years of natty training. Post pics as an example.
OP is a homosexual with insane levels of body dysmorphia
Anyone with average genetic could achieve this in less than a year.
Jeff is a total hack job of a trainer and the fakest natty around.
Let plebbits gobble his shit exercises straight from his butthole and make no gains, while you go and actually work hard and make the gains.
>hey guys do this convoluted total shit movement with no weight, it is good for you and mo helfy, trust me I'm a physical therapist and a fake natty.
Truly the greatest gainsgoblin
you can see in the vid he was very skinny when he started, I'm guessing also a manlet with shit genetics, wristlet
issue is he's trying to stay too lean, arms lack size, but he's actually got fairly strong, his back looks solid in that one shot
issue is his diet not his training
he could use a bulk but maybe he's just happy being lean
alright watching his updated vid
he says he's depressed and struggling with eating
he's definitely not a manlet, you can tell the guy is lanky and tall.
he looks really good
you are all delusional, good luck in life
No you autist. Learn to read. Not saying he doesn't look good, but he looks good for someone who is 2 years in, not 10. Let alone working hand in glive with one of the most popular fitness youtubers out there.
but you're roiding so who would even take what you have to say seriously?
>dad I finally did, I passed the final test
>good son, how did you do it?
>I cheated
>oh ok, well at least you passed the final test, right?
>thinks that looks DYEL
You have a mental illness.