Literally what is stopping me or anyone from just ordering testosterone rn. More muscles, more energy, less depression, better sex.
Explain how there's so little talk on IST about it, why does it seem like not even half of all low test betas seem to get on it and instead b***h and complain online, spend time and money on supplements, ball-tanning, nofap, avoiding plastic and all that bullshit that's impossible to do if you're really depressed in the first place, why?
its the fraud general tard
It's not that simple. It shuts down your balls completely.
So what? Are you going to make babies right now? Just use hCG when the time has come.
I've been using hcg since day 1 of trt. I wouldn't take test without it.
You could take HCG as part of a PCT. Lots of options tbh. If you're on a test cycle consider Proviron as an oral.
Not permanently, they come back and it's only a slight size reduction.
Wrong
Even one steroid injection permanently castrates you
If you take HRG or whatever it's called you maintain function & fertility but better apparently. My buddy hopped on trt 200 whatever and hcg, he says he feels like Kratos fricking these hoes. He's a bouncer at a club, got his shit from a online clinic because doctors won't do shit unless you have legit no test lmao
i wouldnt oppose it but once you take the trt road you will have take it for life
not so hard if you are like 50 but if you are twenty why already jump on juice when you are already full with test hopefully
You really don't.
You will.
But you don't have to.
Test and testicle function fully recover in like 99% of men whether doing TRT or frauding hard. You can stay on it for 10 years, quit, and your balls will be back to normal in a couple months even without PCT. Only exception is using tren or another 19 nor can make it take a bit longer.
literally untrue lol
but its true, ask even pete rubbish
>nattycuck has to make up shit to cope
sad
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4854084/
Data from the male contraception literature indicate a reasonable probability of recovery in 67%, 90%, 96%, and 100% of men at 6, 12, 16, and 24 months
>I'll just permanently frick my body up with hormones. That'll cure my body dysmorphia and people will finally love me
shit, wrong image
apex legends is just as gay
It was what everyone else at work was playing at the time. Just don't play the gay characters
On second thought it's been a year or so. They might all be gay now.
You save pictures of cartoon cats with rainbow backgrounds. That's all anyone needs to know about your opinion
can you blame flawed creatures for just wanting to be beautiful and loved
the modern world already permanently fricked up your hormones lol
dont look up how test levels changed in the last 100 years
also dont look up how fertility rates changed in the last 100 years
and especially DONT compare pictures of average males today with pictures of average males from a 100 years ago
>muh average test
>muh average fertility
>muh average
>average
The average person is obese and lives an unhealthy lifestyle. What did people do 100 years ago? Work the fields and walk everywhere. Walk more, bike as a commute, lead an active lifestyle and your test levels will be fine.
My wife and I conceived out child first shot. And he's born and healthy as a horse.
>muh horse levels 100 years ago
I'm 26 and my body is normal. Eat well and lift and run and don't be a turbofat powershitter and you'll be fine. Leave the copium at home.
the only one full of copium here is you lol
believe whatever you want and helps you sleep at night, i dont give a shit, im still going to fix whatever I can this modern civilization ruined and corrupted, even with its tools if I have to
You fool. I can't stop you, so go nuts. But always be weary when someone has a solution to a problem they just presented you with.
>3/5 men go bald withing their lifetimes, thankfully we have our brand new product XYZ!
>Test levels have been dropping in the last century, thank God I am here to sell you XYZ!
>Joint pain, dick don't work, shoulders are sore? Do do not fret, we are here to sell you XYZ!
Somebody is always trying to sell you a bullshit product you most probably could have done without. If someone is telling you about a problem, if the NEXT thing out of their mouth is a product, that's not your buddy being helpful. That's a sale's pitch.
I can't stop you from taking stacks bro, but my advice is make sure you exhausted all other causes. But that's if you're not lying and just want to undo damage that was beyond your consent. If you just want to short-cut and claim it's because an injustice was done to you, that's you.
This is so true. Except I'm all for the use of hormones prescribed from a doctor. Especially if you have joint issues they can give you a safeish dose of deca which allows you to continue working say a more laborious job without your joints feeling like they are going to explode through your butthole. I am however completely against these morons especially these fricking morons in fraud or general steroid forums that inject shit from China or these fricking UGLs that claim to be clean. I challenge anyone who sources their shit from there to stick a neodymium magnet in their oil, spin it for awhile and see how many fricking metal shards and dust stick to the fricking thing. That's what most of these gays are putting into their butt unknowingly. Anyway if you're gonna be a moronic homosexual and take the magic oil use the money pay for pharma shit from a doc they'll let you take 700mg of shit a week under observation so you don't end up like bostin llyod.
Absolutely based
>NOOOOO ITS SOCIETIES FAULT MY TEST IS LOW IT CANT BE MY SHITTY HEALTH CHOICES AND DYEL PHYSIQUE
Hello, cope department?
Techno kitty
>That'll cure my body dysmorphia and people will finally love me
not my fault b***hes don't like skinny homosexuals
>hurr da best body is the one ur in :*~~
Die
I tried trt. It wasn't a natural feeling. A lot of feelings you think come from the lack of test are not from the lack of test. And having high test doesn't grant you a good feeling automatically. And I don't want to be a slave to the needle perpetually.
Op here. Best oral only cycle?
>Best oral only cycle
>oral only cycle
10-15mg dbol a day
Needles?
enjoy your /hair loss general/
fin
cant wait for your next "enjoy your x" reply, I already have the answer for it
i'm all for fin, but significantly increasing test while being on fin means you'll have significantly higher estrogen because test won't get converted to dht. enjoy your /gyno general/
>higher estrogen
easy to control with AIs
>take 1 drug
>need to take 6 other drugs to counteract the effects of the 1st drug
>need to take 18 other drugs to counteract the side effects of the other 6 drugs
>need to take 72 other drugs to counteract the side effects of the other 18 drugs
>1 doesnt work
dont have a "nice X homosexual" anymore?
you basically admitted you are wrong and cant make an argument so you make up a random strawman-hyperbole to pretend you have a point
its like 3 substances, and they work perfectly together with practically no sides and all the benefits, and you got btfo lol
nattycucks, when will you learn
that wasn't me, but i'll go ahead and say enjoy your /18 drugs general/
I am 21 and already blading lmao, I've already decided I'm going to hop on trt when I'm at the point of no return with my hair.
Been blasting for a year straight and still have Norwood 1 hair.
>what is stopping me
Your fear of the law, aka your low test levels
It's called the beta trap and it reserves gains for high T alphas
>HURRR WHATS SO BAD ABOUT BEING A ROIDtroony
Gee I dunno
>the fact that you are more inclined to stay on
>your hormonal profile (important) being fricked with
>the insecurity that led you towards doing it
>pretty much admitting you have old man testosterone levels by going on "trt" in the first place
>the amount of money you have to spend over your life time
>knowing that you took hormones like a troony to address your troony like life concerns
>knowing that you DID cheat, you DID shortcut and you will never be a noble natural again
Cheat? Against who? In what competition?
Ayy lmao get bent
Damn I was natty but this homosexual ass post just made me want to do steroids.
Congrats you converted me
>steroid != trt
Cool your fricking autism down, bud. You're so mad you can't even think straight.
Also, when the hyperinflation hits and the supply chains get fricked, all these trt homosexuals will turn into less then troony tier betas bc their balls will be shut off lmao
Because now a you am forever dependant on a doctor or drug dealer in order to have normal hormonal levels, something my body is already producing fine. TRT is an amerifat LA meme for loser 45 yearold pederast boomers who post on body on instagram.
(you)
>please mr shekklesburg i need more medicine so i can look like the boys in the movies you produce
>jamal please the last shit you gave me was expired and have gyno please tell me this is newer stuff i can't read the chinese label
pathetic homosexual killyourself
I'm scared
money and potential side-effects, duh
and your depression or whatever mental shits might get even worse since you might not pussy-out on your next debbie-downer
I'd go bald within a week if I cranked up my T to DHT pipeline any further.
>taking troony drugs
might consider after 40, my libido is currently fine but recovery is shit
t. 36 boomergay
Depends on what you mean by TRT? Actual clinical replacement of natural testosterone (within natty test levels) would likely not have too much of an impact on your ability unless you are critically low and exhibiting symptoms of low T.
Or are you talking about just cruising on higher than natural range doses of exogenous test permanently? If so you're looking at a lot of side effects down the line, having to constantly manage your E2 levels, a long ass PCT with HCG if you're looking to get off it at any point and possibly long term chronic health issues after years of use (left ventricular hypertrophy, cardiovascular issues, MPB if your genes pre-dispose you to losing hair later in life).
It's down to you but the whole "test levels are going down on average should I should be on exogenous hormones" talk is just getting tiring when all you want to do is just cruise. Up to you.
Been using tbol oral only cycles since forever. Stay chucked lmao
Post body w/timestamp.
Show me your sales pitch
This enough for you?
Now show me Paul Allen's bicep.
It's perfectly possible to raise T by a couple hundred points without resorting to TRT, and that's what people should be doing before turning to drugs as a last resort, especially if their diet and exercise are garbage.
How?
You can't. Low testosterone often times is caused by testicles ceasing to work as well. Even after fixing my thyroid I only went up 55 points.
diet, sleep, exercise, lowering bf% if you're a fatty, cutting out drugs/substances. all the things you're already meant to be doing. if you go into a trt/male clinic and the doc is willing to write you a prescription day 1 then you really should run from there. most guys that are looking into trt don't actually care about whether or not they suffer from "low T" which is why these immoral agents will just take an easy payday and the patient walks out thinking they've found a cure to their problems.
What stops me is I don’t know a clean source. Scam sites look professional and online reviews are the same as online statements about penis size.
Because my levels are "average" at 400ng/dl @ 150lbs 5'11" 11% bf 22 years old so why tf is it low. I am physically active.
The doctas think I'm in the normal range and they REFUSE to give it to me. So, guess I'll find other avenues
Your levels are not average at 400ng/dL.
They are average as per ICD10.
They were clinically deficient as per ICD8.
Guess why.
We used to prescribe 15-year-olds testosterone and IGF-1 back in the 70s if they were more than 6cm shorter than the national average of their demographic cohort.
Now we are refusing to prescribe testosterone to men that are legitimately suffering from adipose, loss of skeletal muscle mass, bone density, orbitofrontal cortex potentiation, 5-HT system long-term-depression, and a host of other issues including up regulated glucocorticoids that can inhibit gene expression and lead to very serious methylation.
But we are perfectly within our rights, and even expected to prescribe 15-year-old girls with testosterone without even requesting full blood-tests and gonadotropin assays.
Guess why it changed and who changed it.
<&
Thanks Obama
>TEST-E 300
That's some spicy PIP.
So what would happen if I only took test without hcg? my balls get smaller?