Ultimate redpill

There is no randomized controlled research that proves any diet is the perfect diet for a human.

Do trial and error, retard.

That being said, most people will thrive on cycling periods of keto carnivore with periods of keto omnivore and rare carbohydrate consumption. It's how we've always eaten, by food availability. We evolved as scavengers, waiting for a big predator like a cat to eat his fill of red meat and then jump in with rocks, vash the skull, eat the brains of the animals and all the organs the animal didn't have access too as well as any leftover. We have evolved eating red meat and organs, and that is what's gonna help most people if not all. You're a retard if you can't see this

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Literally just drink milk and eat meat

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Drink milk and eat eggs if poor and lazy don't want to cook. Add butter. It's so easy.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Simply eating red meat and organs should be enough. Ideally ruminant meat (cows, goats, etc)
      And yes butter or lard are essential

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I was in a fitness forum and one of the members was a guy who was jacked as hell and insisted on doing carnivore even when bulking, he never did cardio tho except walking

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Once you transition to being fat adapted, which takes anywhere between 1-3 months, your athletic performance is much better than when you used carbs primarily as a fuel source. And when you do use carbs occasionally, it supercharges you, it's insane.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Why has there never been a keto olympian or pro athlete?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Pete Jacobs - Triathlon Ironman - silver in 2011 - gold in 2012 (hawai)

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Adopted keto diet years after winning Ironman and subsequently his career died.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                evidence

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Evidence he was in a keto diet in 2011?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              A few more:
              Curtis Sironen — Rugby Player
              Quade Cooper — Rugby Player
              Sonny Bill Williams — Heavyweight Boxer
              Katie Kelly — CrossFit Athlete
              Huw Davies — Triathlete

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                lol you literally googled carnivore athlete because that brings up an article where you list comes from (and labels Sonny Bill Williams as a boxer omitting his all black status).

                > Curtis Sironen
                No more mention of his diet aside from an article saying he was trying carnivore in 2020

                > Quads Cooper
                Has an instagram post in December 2022 where he is eating rice

                > Sonny Bill Williams
                Says he’s adopted carnivore in 2022, his rugby career is over and has only fought twice in 2022 (one win one loss) however a September telegraph article says he’s eats avocado everyday so how is he carnivore again?

                > Katie Kelly
                Not a pro athlete, literally instagram influencer who does some CrossFit classes.

                > Huw Davis
                Former pro athlete who adopted the diet in his retirement

                kek

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yes I don't deny it, why do I have to know athletes who do carnivore? I like to experiment and see the results on myself. Still I understand many athletes choose to train on keto and then carbload on competition days. It's not uncommon.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              A lot of things are done just bc theyre the industry standard and the handlers have a dogmatic view on athletes. Many athletes will be pressured into taking drugs that impede their athletic performance due to the higher ups

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Olympics have been going for over a hundred years. 100,000+ competitors have taken part. There have been vegetarian, vegan, pescatarian Olympians.

                Not a single one who hasn’t consumed carbs.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Milk is fattening on purpose: high carb, high fat. I've been making kefir for that reason, but it has too many carbs, still (around 24 g per liter/4 cups for you burgers). Kefir cheese is the superior choice.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >kefir cheese
        didn't know this shit even existed

        >There is no randomized controlled research
        All the meta analyses and the overwhelming majority of the literature indicate that a VEGAN diet is the optimal diet for health in humans. But you do you and keep on eating rotten animal tissue lmao. Have fun with your cancer and heart disease!

        based on questionaires and full of confounding factors. I tried veganism, and I tried carnivore. That's all the evidence I need to decide.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >didn't know this shit even existed
          Yeah. You just second ferment kefir, and once it separates into curds and whey, you remove the latter. Tastes great, especially if your milk's quality is good and fatty.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >b..bb…but muh 5’4” 110 bugmen

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >there is no right diet
    >that being siad... the right diet is *made up bullshit from his keto YouTubers who are funded by the 500 billion dollar egg and meat industry*
    I'd say have a nice day fatty but you'll die from a heart attack in your early 40s anyway so who cares.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      8% bf fatty, I do OMAD carnivore. Sometimes only eat once in 3 days if I feel like it

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Sounds based. With so much dietary protein you'll basically shut down muscle loss even under large calorie deficits

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          believe it or not I only eat between 1 and 1.5g of protein per kg of bodyweight. I try to always choose the fattiest cuts of the animal.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        based as fuck. That's what I'm trying to do

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Go for fatty cuts like ribeye or pork loin or ribs. Use butter. And eat fatty fish every now and then, like salmon. Also organs. I eat 50g of liver with every meal. Beef liver is the best. Use salt with a lot of electrolytes and stay hydrated (drink a lot and salt your water reasonably)

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >8%
        >only eat once in 3 days if I feel like it
        lol

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          yea, my body tells me when to eat. Sometimes I overeat fat, so I skip one or two days. I don't count calories.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            post body

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I don't post body

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                > Carnivore advocate
                > Won’t post body
                Sad, many such cases

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Carnivores all look like shit though

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Lol

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Post the picture of him off cycle

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          he's natty

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous
            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              No way, that has to be shopped or a very old pic

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >the perfect diet for a human.
    A diet that favors plant foods as source are healthier
    >Low carbohydrate dietary patterns favouring animal-derived protein and fat sources, from sources such as lamb, beef, pork, and chicken, were associated with higher mortality, whereas those that favoured plant-derived protein and fat intake, from sources such as vegetables, nuts, peanut butter, and whole-grain breads, were associated with lower mortality
    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2667(18)30135-X/fulltext
    Also
    >Replacement of saturated fat with high quality carbohydrate lowers CHD events.
    https://www.nmcd-journal.com/article/S0939-4753(17)30237-5/fulltext
    >We have evolved eating red meat and organs
    No we didn't and there is no research or systematic review that says this lmao

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Low carbohydrate dietary patterns favouring animal-derived protein and fat sources, from sources such as lamb, beef, pork, and chicken, were associated with higher mortality, whereas those that favoured plant-derived protein and fat intake, from sources such as vegetables, nuts, peanut butter, and whole-grain breads, were associated with lower mortality
      >the lancet
      could you have picked a trashier journal?
      >We studied 15428 adults aged 45–64 years, in four US communities, who completed a dietary questionnaire
      >questionaire
      >people who can barely remember what they ate through the week
      lol, lmao even. Super accurate study
      of saturated fat with high quality carbohydrate lowers CHD events.
      >https://www.nmcd-journal.com/article/S0939-4753(17)30237-5/fulltext
      Doesn't even mention the rest of the diet. And has a paywall so can't really read the methodology.
      More worthless trash
      what's next?

      >>We have evolved eating red meat and organs
      >No we didn't and there is no research or systematic review that says this lmao
      Common sense says it, we don't have claws or excessive strength and we didn't always have the intelligence to make sharp tools, so we probably started eating fruits and wild veggies and scavenging carcasses other animals left over, and we ate every part. Fruits weren't always availeable, so it follows that we've also evolved to be eating meat exclusively for long periods of time (winter) as we moved towards europe.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Fruit was always available at the equator.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, but not in europe, and we have competitors to account for. (Other primates and monkeys, as well as other tribes)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      And there are vegetables that grow in winter in Europe.

      This “muh ancestor” stuff is cringe

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        leafy greens, not the stuff you'd get energy from

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Take the beet and parsnip pill anon

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Only turnips are originally european. And they only have 6g of carbs per each 100g. I can't imagine that barely broke keto for them in winter, if they could even find that many wild turnips. Or they even existed in their current form.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >It's how we've always eaten
    Are you an anthropologist, anon? Prove this bullshit.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Do 1 month strict keto carnivore. That's all the proof you need.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >There is no randomized controlled research
    All the meta analyses and the overwhelming majority of the literature indicate that a VEGAN diet is the optimal diet for health in humans. But you do you and keep on eating rotten animal tissue lmao. Have fun with your cancer and heart disease!

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >It's how we've always eaten, by food availability
    >here's why you should eat an extremely specific diet
    Really makes you think.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Well I didn't say you should eat that diet forever. I think occasional carbloading can have its benefits, but most of the year should be keto carnivore or omnivore.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You guys always come up with the most convoluted reasoning to eat more red meat. It’s hilarious.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The reasoning could be right or wrong, but my body doesn't lie. I've never felt better. I sleep 6 hours a day and feel refreshed in the morning, spring right out of bed full of motivation to get shit done, steady energy all day long. I've tried every diet and none have given men what carnivore has. The euphoria you feel when you do eat carbs is also insane. Dopamine skyrockets.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >but my body doesn't lie
        The body lies all the time. Why do you think retards are addicted to HFCS and hamburgers?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Well thanks for making my argument for me, high doses of glucose or fructose provide the wrong signal to your body, that it's a time of abundance and you should eat a lot and store fat. It's not your body lying to you, it's you feeding the wrong shit to your body that's causing it to malfunction and lie to you.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think I understand what you mean when you say that the body is lying/not lying to you. If I, a IST and fairly average person, went to the store and bought a bottle of soda and drank it my body would tell me good job, tasty stuff, drink more. Right?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              yes, unnatural foods will fuck with your body's signalling system

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                So how do you know the difference between your body telling you that your diet is healthy and your body tricking you that your diet is healthy? By your own reasoning I could easily claim that your carnivore diet is just fucking with your body's signalling system.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >So how do you know the difference between your body telling you that your diet is healthy and your body tricking you that your diet is healthy?
                Well my skin looks healthier, I don't have bags under the eyes as I used to, I have no skin rashes as I used to, I sleep instantly and I used to have insomnia issues. It's cleared my respiratory airways and rarely get any infections. My memory is better, I can do mathematics more efficiently. My A1C biomarker is good, tryglicerides are low, total cholesterol is high but LDL concentration is low. So yeah, safe to say it's very healthy.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Shame how carnivore kills gains though

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Not true at all. Carnivore is an excellent way of cutting fat without losing muscle mass.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Then why do carnivores look like shit and perform subpar athletically?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                give carbs to a carnivore and he will perform much better than daily carbloaders. Carbs are cheating in my book

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This is the main reason for me ive been on strict keto for the past 10 months. It literally sparked new life into me. i experience all that aswell

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          great job dude, 10 months uninterrupted? I have some milk and honey once every 2-3 months.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >There is no research that proves any diet is actually 'optimal' for humans
    >Continues to go on liverking ramblings about how ancient humans evolved to eat meat and that's why paleo is actually the best diet and blah blah blah
    Your post would have been great if you just had the first sentence and nothing else.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I love carnivore by personal experience. Why can't I share that? I know my ramblings aren't evidence based but they make sense to me.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Ok so you personally have a good experience with carnivore diet, that's good for you. What you wrote is "most people will thrive on", and then followed it up with "You're a retard if you can't see this"...
        That's not just sharing your personal experience and you know it.

        When I was reading your post, I read the first two sentences and thought wow finally a post on this board that avoids using absolute language, doesn't appear dogmatic, and --- oh fuck there's more...
        My life improved suddenly when I adopted a mentality of never thinking I am right on things that are not totally objective like maths. If I'm ever discussing something with someone and we disagree, I just remind myself that this person has had a totally different childhood to me, they may have a different family background, a different education, they may have seen things I haven't; above all, who am I to assert that I'm right about something that is not undeniably true? You should try thinking this way too.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Just baiting a bit. If I hadn't said anything controversial I wouldn't have gotten attention at all, and you know it.
          > You should try thinking this way too.
          I do.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You should eat what aligns with your genetic/cultural/racial diet, it's probably for the best.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >We evolved as scavengers, waiting for a big predator like a cat to eat his fill of red meat and then jump in with rocks, vash the skull, eat the brains of the animals and all the organs the animal didn't have access too as well as any leftover
    Where do people get these nonsensical ideas? Did use a time machine and go back in time to observe such things?

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The only thing I know for sure are that
    1. Processed foods are bad
    2. Sugar is bad
    3. Smoking is bad
    everything is all junk science. Eat/do whatever the fuck you want, except the above 3. The rest is up to genetics and God

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Try a beef only diet for 2 months straight. Thank me later.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I eat primarily beef and milk and eggs. Its fine for me but i don't think i can say for sure it has no negative effects. i am 25 years old and relatively healthy. im not about to get my parents to start eating all beef for example. i just know for sure that if u avoid processed foods, sugar, and smoking, you are probably doing better than 99% of people.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Carnivores literally are the vegans of the 20s, you just cannot seem to shut up.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      difference is vegans only experienced benefits from their starvation like diet because they were mimicking a fast, and thus entering in ketosis often, carnivore maintains ketosis comfortably for months

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It always seems like sedentary people do well on keto/carnivore but athletes end up having weird electrolyte and energy problems.

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