There is no randomized controlled research that proves any diet is the perfect diet for a human.
Do trial and error, moron.
That being said, most people will thrive on cycling periods of keto carnivore with periods of keto omnivore and rare carbohydrate consumption. It's how we've always eaten, by food availability. We evolved as scavengers, waiting for a big predator like a cat to eat his fill of red meat and then jump in with rocks, vash the skull, eat the brains of the animals and all the organs the animal didn't have access too as well as any leftover. We have evolved eating red meat and organs, and that is what's gonna help most people if not all. You're a moron if you can't see this
Literally just drink milk and eat meat
Drink milk and eat eggs if poor and lazy don't want to cook. Add butter. It's so easy.
Simply eating red meat and organs should be enough. Ideally ruminant meat (cows, goats, etc)
And yes butter or lard are essential
I was in a fitness forum and one of the members was a guy who was jacked as hell and insisted on doing carnivore even when bulking, he never did cardio tho except walking
Once you transition to being fat adapted, which takes anywhere between 1-3 months, your athletic performance is much better than when you used carbs primarily as a fuel source. And when you do use carbs occasionally, it supercharges you, it's insane.
Why has there never been a keto olympian or pro athlete?
Pete Jacobs - Triathlon Ironman - silver in 2011 - gold in 2012 (hawai)
Adopted keto diet years after winning Ironman and subsequently his career died.
evidence
Evidence he was in a keto diet in 2011?
A few more:
Curtis Sironen — Rugby Player
Quade Cooper — Rugby Player
Sonny Bill Williams — Heavyweight Boxer
Katie Kelly — CrossFit Athlete
Huw Davies — Triathlete
lol you literally googled carnivore athlete because that brings up an article where you list comes from (and labels Sonny Bill Williams as a boxer omitting his all black status).
> Curtis Sironen
No more mention of his diet aside from an article saying he was trying carnivore in 2020
> Quads Cooper
Has an instagram post in December 2022 where he is eating rice
> Sonny Bill Williams
Says he’s adopted carnivore in 2022, his rugby career is over and has only fought twice in 2022 (one win one loss) however a September telegraph article says he’s eats avocado everyday so how is he carnivore again?
> Katie Kelly
Not a pro athlete, literally instagram influencer who does some CrossFit classes.
> Huw Davis
Former pro athlete who adopted the diet in his retirement
kek
Yes I don't deny it, why do I have to know athletes who do carnivore? I like to experiment and see the results on myself. Still I understand many athletes choose to train on keto and then carbload on competition days. It's not uncommon.
A lot of things are done just bc theyre the industry standard and the handlers have a dogmatic view on athletes. Many athletes will be pressured into taking drugs that impede their athletic performance due to the higher ups
Olympics have been going for over a hundred years. 100,000+ competitors have taken part. There have been vegetarian, vegan, pescatarian Olympians.
Not a single one who hasn’t consumed carbs.
Milk is fattening on purpose: high carb, high fat. I've been making kefir for that reason, but it has too many carbs, still (around 24 g per liter/4 cups for you burgers). Kefir cheese is the superior choice.
>kefir cheese
didn't know this shit even existed
based on questionaires and full of confounding factors. I tried veganism, and I tried carnivore. That's all the evidence I need to decide.
>didn't know this shit even existed
Yeah. You just second ferment kefir, and once it separates into curds and whey, you remove the latter. Tastes great, especially if your milk's quality is good and fatty.
>b..bb…but muh 5’4” 110 bugmen
>there is no right diet
>that being siad... the right diet is *made up bullshit from his keto YouTubers who are funded by the 500 billion dollar egg and meat industry*
I'd say have a nice day fatty but you'll die from a heart attack in your early 40s anyway so who cares.
8% bf fatty, I do OMAD carnivore. Sometimes only eat once in 3 days if I feel like it
Sounds based. With so much dietary protein you'll basically shut down muscle loss even under large calorie deficits
believe it or not I only eat between 1 and 1.5g of protein per kg of bodyweight. I try to always choose the fattiest cuts of the animal.
based as frick. That's what I'm trying to do
Go for fatty cuts like ribeye or pork loin or ribs. Use butter. And eat fatty fish every now and then, like salmon. Also organs. I eat 50g of liver with every meal. Beef liver is the best. Use salt with a lot of electrolytes and stay hydrated (drink a lot and salt your water reasonably)
>8%
>only eat once in 3 days if I feel like it
lol
yea, my body tells me when to eat. Sometimes I overeat fat, so I skip one or two days. I don't count calories.
post body
I don't post body
> Carnivore advocate
> Won’t post body
Sad, many such cases
Carnivores all look like shit though
Lol
Post the picture of him off cycle
he's natty
No way, that has to be shopped or a very old pic
>the perfect diet for a human.
A diet that favors plant foods as source are healthier
>Low carbohydrate dietary patterns favouring animal-derived protein and fat sources, from sources such as lamb, beef, pork, and chicken, were associated with higher mortality, whereas those that favoured plant-derived protein and fat intake, from sources such as vegetables, nuts, peanut butter, and whole-grain breads, were associated with lower mortality
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2667(18)30135-X/fulltext
Also
>Replacement of saturated fat with high quality carbohydrate lowers CHD events.
https://www.nmcd-journal.com/article/S0939-4753(17)30237-5/fulltext
>We have evolved eating red meat and organs
No we didn't and there is no research or systematic review that says this lmao
>Low carbohydrate dietary patterns favouring animal-derived protein and fat sources, from sources such as lamb, beef, pork, and chicken, were associated with higher mortality, whereas those that favoured plant-derived protein and fat intake, from sources such as vegetables, nuts, peanut butter, and whole-grain breads, were associated with lower mortality
>the lancet
could you have picked a trashier journal?
>We studied 15428 adults aged 45–64 years, in four US communities, who completed a dietary questionnaire
>questionaire
>people who can barely remember what they ate through the week
lol, lmao even. Super accurate study
of saturated fat with high quality carbohydrate lowers CHD events.
>https://www.nmcd-journal.com/article/S0939-4753(17)30237-5/fulltext
Doesn't even mention the rest of the diet. And has a paywall so can't really read the methodology.
More worthless trash
what's next?
>>We have evolved eating red meat and organs
>No we didn't and there is no research or systematic review that says this lmao
Common sense says it, we don't have claws or excessive strength and we didn't always have the intelligence to make sharp tools, so we probably started eating fruits and wild veggies and scavenging carcasses other animals left over, and we ate every part. Fruits weren't always availeable, so it follows that we've also evolved to be eating meat exclusively for long periods of time (winter) as we moved towards europe.
Fruit was always available at the equator.
Yes, but not in europe, and we have competitors to account for. (Other primates and monkeys, as well as other tribes)
And there are vegetables that grow in winter in Europe.
This “muh ancestor” stuff is cringe
leafy greens, not the stuff you'd get energy from
Take the beet and parsnip pill anon
Only turnips are originally european. And they only have 6g of carbs per each 100g. I can't imagine that barely broke keto for them in winter, if they could even find that many wild turnips. Or they even existed in their current form.
>It's how we've always eaten
Are you an anthropologist, anon? Prove this bullshit.
Do 1 month strict keto carnivore. That's all the proof you need.
>There is no randomized controlled research
All the meta analyses and the overwhelming majority of the literature indicate that a VEGAN diet is the optimal diet for health in humans. But you do you and keep on eating rotten animal tissue lmao. Have fun with your cancer and heart disease!
>It's how we've always eaten, by food availability
>here's why you should eat an extremely specific diet
Really makes you think.
Well I didn't say you should eat that diet forever. I think occasional carbloading can have its benefits, but most of the year should be keto carnivore or omnivore.
You guys always come up with the most convoluted reasoning to eat more red meat. It’s hilarious.
The reasoning could be right or wrong, but my body doesn't lie. I've never felt better. I sleep 6 hours a day and feel refreshed in the morning, spring right out of bed full of motivation to get shit done, steady energy all day long. I've tried every diet and none have given men what carnivore has. The euphoria you feel when you do eat carbs is also insane. Dopamine skyrockets.
>but my body doesn't lie
The body lies all the time. Why do you think morons are addicted to HFCS and hamburgers?
Well thanks for making my argument for me, high doses of glucose or fructose provide the wrong signal to your body, that it's a time of abundance and you should eat a lot and store fat. It's not your body lying to you, it's you feeding the wrong shit to your body that's causing it to malfunction and lie to you.
I don't think I understand what you mean when you say that the body is lying/not lying to you. If I, a IST and fairly average person, went to the store and bought a bottle of soda and drank it my body would tell me good job, tasty stuff, drink more. Right?
yes, unnatural foods will frick with your body's signalling system
So how do you know the difference between your body telling you that your diet is healthy and your body tricking you that your diet is healthy? By your own reasoning I could easily claim that your carnivore diet is just fricking with your body's signalling system.
>So how do you know the difference between your body telling you that your diet is healthy and your body tricking you that your diet is healthy?
Well my skin looks healthier, I don't have bags under the eyes as I used to, I have no skin rashes as I used to, I sleep instantly and I used to have insomnia issues. It's cleared my respiratory airways and rarely get any infections. My memory is better, I can do mathematics more efficiently. My A1C biomarker is good, tryglicerides are low, total cholesterol is high but LDL concentration is low. So yeah, safe to say it's very healthy.
Shame how carnivore kills gains though
Not true at all. Carnivore is an excellent way of cutting fat without losing muscle mass.
Then why do carnivores look like shit and perform subpar athletically?
give carbs to a carnivore and he will perform much better than daily carbloaders. Carbs are cheating in my book
This is the main reason for me ive been on strict keto for the past 10 months. It literally sparked new life into me. i experience all that aswell
great job dude, 10 months uninterrupted? I have some milk and honey once every 2-3 months.
>There is no research that proves any diet is actually 'optimal' for humans
>Continues to go on liverking ramblings about how ancient humans evolved to eat meat and that's why paleo is actually the best diet and blah blah blah
Your post would have been great if you just had the first sentence and nothing else.
I love carnivore by personal experience. Why can't I share that? I know my ramblings aren't evidence based but they make sense to me.
Ok so you personally have a good experience with carnivore diet, that's good for you. What you wrote is "most people will thrive on", and then followed it up with "You're a moron if you can't see this"...
That's not just sharing your personal experience and you know it.
When I was reading your post, I read the first two sentences and thought wow finally a post on this board that avoids using absolute language, doesn't appear dogmatic, and --- oh frick there's more...
My life improved suddenly when I adopted a mentality of never thinking I am right on things that are not totally objective like maths. If I'm ever discussing something with someone and we disagree, I just remind myself that this person has had a totally different childhood to me, they may have a different family background, a different education, they may have seen things I haven't; above all, who am I to assert that I'm right about something that is not undeniably true? You should try thinking this way too.
Just baiting a bit. If I hadn't said anything controversial I wouldn't have gotten attention at all, and you know it.
> You should try thinking this way too.
I do.
You should eat what aligns with your genetic/cultural/racial diet, it's probably for the best.
>We evolved as scavengers, waiting for a big predator like a cat to eat his fill of red meat and then jump in with rocks, vash the skull, eat the brains of the animals and all the organs the animal didn't have access too as well as any leftover
Where do people get these nonsensical ideas? Did use a time machine and go back in time to observe such things?
The only thing I know for sure are that
1. Processed foods are bad
2. Sugar is bad
3. Smoking is bad
everything is all junk science. Eat/do whatever the frick you want, except the above 3. The rest is up to genetics and God
Try a beef only diet for 2 months straight. Thank me later.
I eat primarily beef and milk and eggs. Its fine for me but i don't think i can say for sure it has no negative effects. i am 25 years old and relatively healthy. im not about to get my parents to start eating all beef for example. i just know for sure that if u avoid processed foods, sugar, and smoking, you are probably doing better than 99% of people.
Carnivores literally are the vegans of the 20s, you just cannot seem to shut up.
difference is vegans only experienced benefits from their starvation like diet because they were mimicking a fast, and thus entering in ketosis often, carnivore maintains ketosis comfortably for months
It always seems like sedentary people do well on keto/carnivore but athletes end up having weird electrolyte and energy problems.