unpopular opinions thread

hot takes also welcome

>deadlifts are fucking stupid and useless
>powerlifting lifts are generally poor for hypertrophy
>women should not do upper body exercise beyond a minimum to stay toned
>men who are attracted to fat chicks are genuinely mentally ill
>if you can't get big with cable machines your exercise programming is trash
>starting strength is gay because it makes your butt unreasonably large
>fags should go back to /lgbt/. fagposting should be a bannable offense

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    are fucking stupid and useless

    t. Never played a real sport in your life
    NGMI

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      cope powersharter

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Imma footbalfag, there is a reason that every competitive sport at highschool and beyond has a strength and conditioning program

        >Never played a real sport in your life
        >Never played a real sport
        >Played a real sport
        >A real sport
        >A real sport
        All sports are just made up games, how can any be more "real" games than other games?

        Well they are games with measurable standards, so its a pretty good test for applicable fitness, being faster, stronger, quicker than someone else. Squats and deadlifts (to a point) make you a more powerful human being regardless of what you do

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          In that regard shouldnt cleans and snatches be the focus as they use the full body (as one might in football)

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Never played a real sport in your life
      >Never played a real sport
      >Played a real sport
      >A real sport
      >A real sport
      All sports are just made up games, how can any be more "real" games than other games?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I carry round rocks that are 600lb every day too bro. Deadlifts are useful
      >only need a standard bar on the ground for all my lifts to make women like me
      >bench presses are useless and don’t make you look good
      >meme that changed my life

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        How did that meme change your life

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          cause its the truth
          with clothes on, only shoulders matter
          with a tshirt, maybe also biceps, triceps and forearms

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        If I were this guy a better strategy would be to just not take off the shirt during sex. Or take it off after he is already balls deep and too late

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Powerlifting
      >Real sport

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Deadlifts benefit actual sports retard. Every competitive sports team from highschool to professional has a strength and conditioning program

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I been doing sports. Whats deadlift actually do that translates to anything besides Powershitting?

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >cardio is more important than lifting for a good health
    >you should spend as much time with cardio as you do with lifting

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >cardio is more important than lifting for a good health
      That's just a fact.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >just lower your test with LDR bro
      I would never run as much as I lift
      just a few max speed sprinting sets and then I'm done with cardio

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >just lower your test with LDR bro
      I would never run as much as I lift
      just a few max speed sprinting sets and then I'm done with cardio

      sprinting is where it's at with running

      long distance running is for garden gnomes and other genetic trash

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      God bless you anon these idiots are all gonna die of heart disease running up a flight of stairs

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Went to the Dr yesterday, resting bpm is 58 and blood pressure is 100/60. Haven’t done a minute of cardio in years.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >you can't lift your way out of unattractive face/genes

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >you can't lift your way out of unattractive face
      A low bf% is basically free plastic surgery. While you certainly won't look like another person, it will make your jaw and cheeckbones more prominent. Besides, being pretty is for women.
      >you can't lift your way out of your genes
      Agree.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >all you need is big rocks and walking

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >deadlifts don’t do anything
    >besides squatting and overhead press straight barbells are worse for every muscle group
    >my local gym bimbo with a bbl and butt implants I see everyday needs to shove her big fat toned ass into my face after every workout

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why wouldn’t dumbbells be better for shoulder press than barbells as well (though a barbell obviously looks way cooler)

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >the most important movements for *longevity* and day to day usefulness are cross body, unilateral and rotational movements
    >more people need to be comfortable in the strength /endurance range (20-100 reps) since it's your soft tissues that fail you first as you age
    >loaded carries are extremely important
    >LISS is good for active recovery

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Is weight vest walking loaded carry

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes and it's very useful for long distances like in miles, you can ruck with 10% of your bodyweight more or less indefinitely, 20% for shorter times (think about the joint damage soldiers get), bodyweight for about 2 mins and double bodyweight for about 1min/maybe 100 meters total if you're doing strongman type shit. Vests are good but farmers carries work your grip and distract your shoulder joint, zercher/bear hug work your core and teach you to move on compromosed positions, and overhead walks are God tier for upper back. Do em all.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Very based take imo, especially about mobility. Lately I have been thinking about olympic weightlifters, it's quite strucking how mobile they need to be in order to perform those movements. I on the other hand, am totally unflexible and need to work on this

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Unironically I recommend kettlebell lifts for this as you can do all the O-lifts but in a way that's friendlier to your joints

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Not a bad idea to be honest, thanks for the rec 🙂

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >being strong is better than looking strong

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    OP is a gay.
    >unpopular

    Whoops. My bad.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      another seething powersharter has entered this thread

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    are fucking stupid and useless
    I think it's more just that people seem to push deadlift for 1rm numbers exclusively instead of doing it for sets of 10.

    People say deadlift doesn't help you grow but I started just doing 3pl8 for sets of 10 (I do have to use straps as I start to lose grip around rep 8 on second set) and have noticed much better core, glutes, traps, back development, and I've only started doing this a few months ago. Basically doing deadlifts for hypertrophy does work you just need to find the right weight for you instead of just pushing and pushing 1rm or 3x3 weight.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >doing a lift with higher volume leads to better hpertrophy
      woah...
      captcha: AAHHH

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Lifting as much as you would carry over a long distance (walking all day) is all you really need and all your body is developed to do.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Dudes who lift huge and don't compete just do it because they're fatties and want to eat more. Only damaged goods women think they're attractive.

    If you're not putting in 4 hours of good cardio a week you're not going to make it.

    CrossFit isn't all that bad and the chicks are hot. I still won't do it because I don't want to spend 200 a month

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      you a broke bro or what?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        nta, it's a waste of money when you can get close to the same for incomparably less

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    All you need it gymnast rings and a vest/ankle weights to do weighted dips/pullups/pushups to achieve the perfect body at 10% BF.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      is this at least partially true. seems so

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        a vest doesn't allow for much progression - with a belt and plates you can get pretty good upper body progress - minus the traps since traps are best trained by heavy pulls. but I don't see why you would train exclusively with rings when a barbell offers much more space for progression and something that can work your whole body.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          inverted rows for traps?

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    genetics is everything
    if you can't hit at least a 3pl8 bench within 2-3 years of training, quit. because you don't have the genetics

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Agree with everything except while I think the way most people deadlift is useless- a retarded ego lift that accomplished little more than fucking up their joints- learning the hip hinge is actually pretty useful. Could not believe how bad I was at loading the glutes/hamstrings and maintaining tension/proper mechanics when I started deadlifting.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >deadlifts are fucking stupid and useless

    I've substituted DF's for a combination of back extentions, leg curls, and glute isolation

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bodybuilders are the same as women, only care about aesthetics. Ruin they spine with lifting and those who juice are even worse
    Actual strong people don't look like bodybuilders, they do look big for sure but never shredded

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Kroc rows are based
    Barbell rows are a meme

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >cable machines only
    >inb4 athlean-x
    >meme excercises
    >no glute gains
    >small traps
    >weakness
    >adding 2 plates on your bench will not make you bigger, mfw
    >increasing squat will not make you bigger
    >watch those calories bro, u don't want to get too big
    >lifts not going up because afraid of gaining weight
    >strength is useless in day to day life
    >2022 life
    >brb spending 10 years to gain 10kg because u can only gain 1kg of dry lean tissue per year
    >"hold on bra imma isolate my middle biceps real quick"
    >missed anabolic window, might as well not eat
    >kinobody
    >
    >being strong does not = "looking good"
    >as a man
    >2022
    >boards.IST.org/fit/thread/67401309

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      what am I reading

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Permabulker schizo cope rant

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >be objectively wrong
    >he… check out this Hispanicy take of mine

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      powershitter seethe

      >powerlifting lifts are generally poor for hypertrophy
      >starting strength is gay because it makes your butt unreasonably large
      Pick one.

      >only squat and deadlift
      >"waow, my butt is getting big"
      yeah that doesn't mean women who want a big ass are doing starting strength. they're doing hip thrusts and shit

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >powerlifting lifts are generally poor for hypertrophy
    >starting strength is gay because it makes your butt unreasonably large
    Pick one.

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Unpopular opinion:
    If you're a man, you only need to train legs twice a month or so. No one cares if you have a nice ass or legs. You can just do benches, curls, and, running most of time and have a way more attractive physique than squat fags.

    >t. I still squat every week tho because I just can't stop and like it too much.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      this, I squat once a week and I can’t imagine doing more. my legs would look completely retarded.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I think the underlying argument for this should be;
      legs will grow no matter what if you work them, they will always be prioritized for growth and recovery over every other muscle because their base usage is so comparatively high unless you walk on your hands. Even if you didn't increase the volume for other groups their growth potential would be better because they're not competing with the legs aminos and whatever else.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      > No one cares if you have a nice ass
      My gf begs to differ

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    i can understand a bunch of these except
    cable machines? I was like 15 kg away from maxing out the lat pull when i started and all i did was half a year cali

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Okay, but then try it with control you idiot.

      You know those boomers who load up 70kg on the triceps pushdown cable and then just jump and hold themselves up as their bodyweight pushes them down? That's you.

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Deadlifts are for stupid people lmao, if you regularly do them as part of your routine you're just stupid lol

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    How do deadlifts not obliterate your lower back? It's literally everything any random workplace safety guide would tell you to avoid when lifting heavy objects.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      People "at work" are untrained. The whole point is to exercise and strengthen those movements. I'd be lying if I said I don't care about aesthetics, but 95% of why I squat and deadlift is so I can take a shit under my own power for the rest of my life. I find it terrifying seeing these older dudes in their 70s, big grandpa belly, no posterior chain strength or flexibility and realizing they can't take care of themselves properly. Needing to sit down and take *minutes* to tie shoes, can't get in or out of the bath safely and without fear. And it's not just fatties. I want to die, having never been stuck on a toilet. I want to die never having to need help wiping my ass, or getting in and out of my bed.

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you don't do cardio you can't consider yourself IST.

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The reason most of these opinions are unpopular are because they're fucking retarded

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    > fags should go back to /lgbt/. fagposting should be a bannable offense
    Newfag, IST has always been an lgbtq safe space. And I really miss Billy Harrington posting tbh senpai

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >n-nooo you don't understand
      >we NEED to talk about sucking cocks and getting fucked in the ass on the fitness board

      [...]

      begone with you degenerate

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      it was only "accepted" because it was funny, it was only funny because it's taboo/gross/amoral whatever. Once it's "accepted" or even openly tolerated it's no longer has that layer that makes it amusing and just winds up being gayry.

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >most barbell lifts are fucking retarded, other than squats/bench/dl there is nothing you can't do with dumbbells
    >BB OHP in particular is just needlessly dangerous compared to using dumbbells, it's pointless unless you're doing actual competitive lifting and telling beginners to do it as part of a starting program to get in shape is outright dangerous

    >it is extremely unhealthy to go below 8%bf or so, 12-15% is more healthy, sacrificing your health to meet some retarded idea of attractiveness is cringe

    >IST in general eats a meme amount of protein, no one needs 150g+ unless they're already hugely ripped and training, most new lifters will not notice any difference pasy 80-100g a day regardless of how fat they are

    >yoga is an extremely valuable complement to weightlifting as it helps to maintain flexibility and joint health which both tend to get sacrificed for strength training. Also u meet hot milfs

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >>BB OHP in particular is just needlessly dangerous compared to using dumbbells, it's pointless unless you're doing actual competitive lifting and telling beginners to do it as part of a starting program to get in shape is outright dangerous
      I get so much more out of DB OHP than BBs. BB OHPs are cool for ego purposes, but not much purpose to it other than that.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Mostly based.

      Except:
      >IST in general eats a meme amount of protein, no one needs 150g+ unless they're already hugely ripped and training, most new lifters will not notice any difference pasy 80-100g a day regardless of how fat they are

      Manlet discovered.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      1.how is barbell overheadpress dangerous?
      2. yoga hurts my lumbar spine for some reason. Stopped doing yoga - pain went away.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >1.how is barbell overheadpress dangerous
        Have you not seen that vid that's been posted like 10x since yesterday? There are so many points of possible failure that can literally lead to snapping your spine and being paralyzed from the neck down for life, albeit not if you use safeties but you can still very easily snap your shit

        >2. yoga hurts my lumbar spine
        moron do you think all those 100yo skinny ass Indians who do it are hurting their back? It's just like squats or deadlifts, if it hurts your back you're doing it wrong, find a proper yoga teacher not some normie boomer lady and get the form right and it won't hurt

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >you can still very easily snap your shit
          Sure, if you're clearly not prepared to lift the weight like the guy in the video. That's true for any exercise though. Overhead presses are just like any other lift, if you take the time to learn technique and don't lift like a retard, then you'll be fine

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    lol cya gay

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Oh no what will I do
      Oh i know, restart my router
      Cry to the jannies about it gay

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        betcha won't post it again gay lol

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >women should not do upper body exercise beyond a minimum to stay toned
    This is your worst take, women should always get their back to have some more width to give them the illusion of a thinner waist. Do you like women with a refrigerator upper body with legs? Because that’s what you will get. Post a girl who has an “ideal” physique to you, and I guarantee most girls will have to train their back to get it.

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    School sports is garbage and should be reformed
    >Kids hat already play sports regularly will get good grades people that don't won't get along and lose interest faster.
    >1-2 hours sport a week does nothing to improve health
    >1-2 hours a week isn't enough to properly learn a sport.
    >your grades highly depend on your body type. My 6'5 210lbs failed pull ups and gymnastics like high bar, but always got straight A's in swimming, shot-put and endurance running without even trying.
    >dogeball isn't a sport, it's just for traumatizing nerds
    >gym teachers are creeps that only want to randomly check the girls locker room.
    In my ideal school sport, it would be at least 4-5 hours a week and focus on current health issues like obesity. No grades because who the fuck cares if 16 year old you shot-put a iron ball 30 feet or not after 2 hours of trying.

    It would include topics like proper diet, counting calories how to stay fit and actually lose weight. Also teach them how to lift weights properly without hurting themselves

    Teaching overweight teens to cardio in THEIR OWN TEMPO for hours, without raising blood lactate and fatiguing after 5 minutes (like unmotivated gym teachers do) will not only be more beneficial for health, but also not annoy them so they stop doing sports altogether.

    Maybe have them do diet plans with their parents. If someones overweight and diabetic at 10, it's probably the fault of his lard parents ordering McDonald's every noon or Kellogg's every morning

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >lateral raises are useless. got a huge pump and mind muscle connection, 0 growth over years. switched to BTN press and upright rows, shoulders blew up.
    > some of my best gains i never felt the muscles really work or was sore
    > jerry rigging a bulgarian split squat where you can load serious weight and not have to worry about balancing is by far the greatest leg excercise
    > weighted pushups mog bench, weights dips, pretty much any other pressing movement.

  33. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    > 3/10 bait
    Try better

  34. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >true
    >somewhat true somewhat false
    >false
    >false
    >trueish
    >true
    >true

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      archicuck detected
      opinion rejected

  35. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >nothing is wrong with combining calisthenics and weightlifting,calisthenics is great for increasing mobility and the ability to carry your body through space with your own strength,weightlifting is great for isolating certain muscles to themselves
    >every single pound of muscle should be able to move at an accelerated pound without getting exhausted
    >cardio doesn't kill gains,marathon level cardio and the training it involves does
    >running a 5k once or twice a week is best for overall endurance and time management,the rest of the week should involve sprints and other explosive movements

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >accelerated pound
      accelerated pace

  36. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    agree about deadlifts. no one athletic does deadlifts or at least maxes. rdls are fine if youre doing like sets of 20 with lighter weight.

    >only cardio matters
    thats my hot take

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      what defines "athletic"

  37. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Unless you powerlift as a sport (or unless you are a professional athlete with a specific need), there's no good reason to do anything other than calisthenics and some form of cardio

  38. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Eric Bugenhagen is natty

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