Veganism:
>benefits the planet
>benefits your health
>benefits your wallet
>most humane diet
>raises human consciousness to a whole new level
>robs big pharma of racketeering profits
>only diet that prevents and reverses three top killers globally (heart disease, cancer, diabetes)
>embraced by the most based people to have walked the Earth
Counter-arguments:
>heh, but u have to take a b12 supplement every 3 months...
>i have slightly higher choline levels
>ur too skinny...
>meat taste good
>muh ancestors (grain eating peasants)
>fiber? I bet u fart a lot...
When are you going to stop coping and just admit that plant-based is superior?
>benefits your health
All the data conclusively supports it.
>almost all epidemiological "studies" only showing vague correlations and trying to derive risks and potential benefits from them
>actual trials are comparing the diets of chronic smokers and alcoholics on standard American diets to vegans who don't smoke or drink
Sasuga, vegan soience believer
trials are comparing the diets of chronic smokers and alcoholics on standard American diets to vegans who don't smoke or drink
>Sasuga, vegan soience believer
isn't being addicted to alcohol and caffeine part of a (standard) western diet. every office i have been to; almost everyone drinks booze and coffee
Good goy
You will eat the soi and you will like it
>my popular opinion is truth, not like those goyim !
>dat picture in OP
Also,
>bringing up Okinawans
>when they were just after the war and had the whole food industry wrecked to shit
Also, Japs managed to turn male catfish into female by using soi.
It's reported monkeys on soibeans are more aggressive
>force feeding large quantities of unnatural things to non herbavores has unnatural consequences
>therefore onions is bad for humans
Doesnt follow
isn't the morality argument working only in vacuum, tho? in order to farm plants you need to kill all animals acting as pests for your crops, yieldong higher kill/death ratio than conventional meat farmig and smaller food yield?
>in order to farm plants you need to kill all animals acting as pests for your crops
This is the most inane argument against veganism of them all. It betrays you lack basic comprehension of how the food supply works at all.
All of the animals you consume are fed grains that are grown explicitly for animal consumption. 2/3 of our plants are grown for this purpose. It is incredibly energy-inefficient and if we fed humans directly it'd cut down resource consumption by over half.
>half the consumption, half the dead rodents and insects
Both of which are minuscule in comparison to the routine and overt torture of hundreds of millions of sentient beings for human consumption every single year. Even if it didn't result in a single rodent being saved it would be made absolutely toothless by it's comparison to the ritualized slaughter we currently practice.
yeah, that's why i posed my post as a question and didn't claim shit, retard. i openly expressed my lack of understaning of the topic and wanted someone to clarify. your post is not extensive enough to convince me, but so is my understanding and care of the topic to ask better questions.
i'm pro vegan in theory, in practice idc. ain't nothing gonna change for multitude of reasons
in a better world where meat consuption could be ceased, i think that vegetarianism is still better. vegan is kinda retarded (ideally)
libtards can never answer questions. answering questions is someone elses job
/Sigh, wrong, moxy, on so many levels.
2/3rds of the plants we grow are used to feed animals. That sentence doesn't mean what you think it means. It means that the parts not edible by humans, like the stalks, leaves, etc, are fed to animals in the form of roughage. The grains fed to animals are not human-grade either. Nobody would eat that shit. We don't feed animals food that humans could eat. Because it would kill our profit margins. You incredible retard.
Animals are an indispensable part of the agricultural system. Without them, untold quantities of biomass would just rot, because its only use is as animal feed. The land would go barren, because you have to cycle cattle on farmland every once in a while, or you get the dustbowl scenario. There's only so much you can do with artificial fertilizers, as more and more monocropping retards are finding out.
In short, you are incredibly stupid, and should have a nice day, Moxyte, nobody likes you.
>Without them, untold quantities of biomass would just rot, because its only use is as animal feed.
That's called compost and our incredibly nutrient deficient soils would benefit greatly from it.
You do know what compost is, right anon?
Thats not what Indispensable means and also its irrelevant
>if we fed humans grass or cattle feed it would be better
Land which is used for animals is not necessarily good land for crops. Consider Wales and Wyoming. Lots of available land, almost none of it is arable. But there's enough grass to raise cattle.
Additionally, the sort of monoculture crops used to feed animals should be something you're against as a vegan, since it destroys the land and the environment
Incorrect. 90%+ of all monocrop farming is for humans. Animals are fed the waste products.
Monocrop farms kill far more animals per year than even the most intensive factory farms kill livestock.
Monocrop farms destroy the soil. Pastured livestock regenerate the soil.
Monocrop farms leech chemicals into the environment killing birds and bugs. Livestock live in equilibrium with the rest of the environment.
Veganism is dependent on global food shipping especially in colder climates. Livestock farming enables complete nutrition to be produced locally.
Veganism destroys health and fertility and requires supplementation, creating large harmful industries that prey on sick people.
Eat animals, reject gnomish propaganda.
>Veganism is dependent on global food shipping especially in colder climates. Livestock farming enables complete nutrition to be produced locally.
This. Try veganism here in the north and you will die within the year if you do as our ancestors did and didn't eat avocados shipped 2000 miles.
That's great but it seems I've presented a few dozen sources and you've presented zero (0)
Nah that's bullshit. Dr. Harold Himsworth discovered Type 2 diabetes and cured it by putting people on a high-carb (carbs = sugar) extremely low fat diet.
Pharmagarden gnome ignored the curing bit because they make a lot of $$$ selling retards insulin. Ketogarden gnome then realized you can put a bandaid over the issue by eliminating all sugar to alleviate the symptoms, however there are literally THOUSANDS of testimonials from ex-ketolards and current delusional ketolards who talk about have diabetic-level blood sugar the moment they eat a carb meal. The opposite is not demonstrated in the case of an actual cure.
Basically, you haven't solved shit.
Meanwhile, doctors who have cured type 2 diabetes every time with a high-carb low-fat diet
>Dr. Harold Himsworth
>Dr. Walter Kempner
>Dr. Neal Barnard
>Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn
>Dr. Max Gerson and daughter Charlotte Gerson (also cured cancer)
>Dr. Dean Ornish
Note: None of these doctors run youtube channels that sell you supplements and 300% mark up meat.
Great post, nice summation of monocrop agriculture.
>healthy
There are millions of anorexic omnis and mental illness is not exclusive to eating plants.
You are throwing low-brow punches but won't dare to refute any of the studies listed above
if you want studies to be accepted as proof then you need to take about how garden gnomeed academia is
reminds me of govegan gytis
i miss that beautiful twink
>benefits the planet
No it doesn't, growing vegetable crops en masse takes up even more space than cattle ranches do, fuckwit
Cows and other livestock turn practically-unusable land into high-quality protein while taking up even less space.
>inb4 muh cow farts
CO2 and methane are red herrings, you can't really change the weather, and there are more pressing issues like islands of plastic floating in the ocean
Go shill elsewhere.
>growing vegetable crops en masse takes up even more space than cattle ranches do
dont forget that those crop fields are also an ecological desert for insects and animals
It's moxyte, he's been at it for years, and he won't stop until he's dead.
>he won't stop until he's dead.
why doesn't the butt pirate go fight in Ukraine then. the whole clown cult is talking about it
>Cows and other livestock turn practically-unusable land into high-quality protein while taking up even less space.
I live in Norway and I agree on this about goats that go around mountains eating whatever grows there and car tires. Cows? Sheep? lol no
>Pure health
>So very healthy
>died with a totally empty stomach
I know anorexics "become vegan" to hide their illness, but starving your own baby because it has babyfat is pretty fucked.
Reminder that Oreos and heroin are vegan. All health benefits are purely from switching to a whole foods diet and even then they have to limit their drug usage, take massive amounts of supplements m, and not extend their diet beyond 5 years to get results indicative of "healthiness"
>be vegan
>have to limit their drug usage
Yeah this is really the bit that's stopping me from taking the plunge
>inb4 someone posts the vegan bodybuilders
Jesus Christ, look at his skin colour, look at that distended gut. that is not a well man.
All roiders look dysgenic
>distended gut
what is this? is their a cure for gut problems?
The level of pseudo intelligence that these threads bring to light is astounding, kino. It’s pretty obvious humans eat too much meat. I’m not saying be a reeegan, I’m saying DYOR. Be objective about what your body needs, and how much. Sorry that living off of whole foods hurts your feelings so much.
>pretty obvious humans eat too much meat
Most humans don't eat nearly enough, and eat far too much plants. have a nice day, Moxyte, nobody likes you.
have a nice day, Moxyte, nobody likes you.
You need to stop Moxyte, you'll get banned for spam again.
>post was about meat eating relative to plant eating (not at all either implicitly or explicitly about the keto diet)
>mindlessly posts a ketofat as if it were ever the topic
nice try same fag
>huge monocrop agriculture to grow your s o y a sneed oils
>good for the planet and animals
omega kek
Animal agriculture also requires huge monocrop agriculture to grow the feed for the animals, genius. I'm a meat eater but that's a braindead argument
Grass? You do realize that it grows where we can't have cash crops, right? Lol
>inb4 WE NEED TO FEED COWS GRAINS BECAUSE I LOVE WAGYU AND DIABETIC COWS
They're morons, ong. I try to explain that most of even the human edible crops are fed to animals, the stalks, the leaves, the roughage in general, but it just doesn't register. It's like they think we eat the entire plant, instead of just a small part of it. What do they think happens with the rest of the biomass, I wonder?
do you know what wheat grain grows from?
Do you?
Wheat grows in arable land. I'm referring to grasses that don't (i.e not cash crops).
Cattle typically eat various wild grasses in their grazing lands, trimming them down without killing them, and supplying the soil with nutritive waste as they roam, producing topsoil. If the rancher is smart enough, he'll herd the cattle through sections to allow the grass to seed to keep the grass regenerative. No cash crops required.
Cash crops like wheat strip the topsoil without regenerating it. This will be a major issue soon, but topsoil takes a long time to recover if not constantly regenerating. Destructive agriculture. Vegans are inadvertently promoting destroying the planet through non regenerative farming practices.
So I should go carnivorous for Europa and Mother Earth?
Cut off the aid for Africa because they don't deserve it (either they just multiply like rats and end up needing more food or African countries can spend more of the budget towards military).
Boom, less farming needed.
Prohibit advertising of fast food and other overprocessed not-filling bullshit - less calories eaten in total - less farming again
they don't care, what you said doesn't make them feel emotionally superior and thus is useless.
>benefits your health
>benefits your wallet
>robs big pharma of racketeering profits
Ironically, the ONLY reason people can actually practice this meme diet is because of modern medicine and Industrial production of supplements to fill in their diet of everything you miss out on with meat. The only thing you’re actually doing is further tying yourself to a system of requiring grocery stores and pharmacies to stay healthy. Try going full vegan pre-industrial Revolution and you’ll die in a few months.
>embraced by the most based people to have walked the Earth
Such as?
You could survive off of potatoes for years.
>muh
I’m not talking about what is optimal, I’m talking about survival.
Yes, you could. You would start getting massive deficiencies around 3 to 4 years in, and would be absolutely miserable for whatever time you had left after that.
No shit. That anon said you would be dead in months without meat, and that’s simply not true. I’m a scientist, not a vegan.
You must be fun at parties.
>I’m a scientist, not a vegan.
>You must be fun at parties
any guy that says he is a (scientist) is always a soi boi
>You could survive off of potatoes for years.
lol
>I’m not talking about what is optimal, I’m talking about survival.
i don't want to just (barely)survive, i don't think no one normal wants to. i want to be strong and healthy
> I’m not talking about what is optimal, I’m talking about survival.
Funny way of just cutting the counter argument off at the knees. Surviving and being healthy are two completely different things. People living their life plugged into a machine are also surviving, are you about to tell me they are healthy as well?
>the ONLY reason people can actually practice this meme diet is because of modern medicine and Industrial production of supplements to fill in their diet of everything you miss out on with meat.
Most of your ancestors were practically vegan, actually.
Only concern is B12 which would be in our soils naturally but said pharmagarden gnome destroyed the soil microbiome with pesticides. Now it has to be supplemented. Only reason meat has sufficient B12 is because the animals are given synthetic injections too.
by the most based people to have walked the Earth
>Such as?
My favourite austrian painter for example
I admire your effort but you didn’t convince me. I’ll stick with just eating eggs, salmon, beef and mineral water thanks
The diet is almost ideal for gains. You just need some honey for carbs before your gym sessions.
Cows are dumb and taste good, I couldn't care less about them. Plus, if they were in the wild, they'd be ripped apart by a predator and left to die with their guts sticking out of them, while they're shot in the head in slaughterhouses.
https://www.youtube.com/@GoatisReviews
>vegans
>always bloated
>always farting
>always have digestive issues
>always have bad skin
>always have bad sleep
>always tired
>always look depressed and anxious
>always spend ridiculous amounts of money on dozens of different ingredients (OMG look at my 3 grains, 5 fruits, 4 vegetables, 3 seeds and almond milk smoothie guys!)
>always spend a ridiculous amount of time on food prep (I refuse on principle to spend more than 20 minutes on food prep and that isn't even every day)
>always skinny
>always weak
>always malnourished
>always brainwashed cult members (How do you find a vegan in a restaurant? Don't worry, they'll tell you!) Why not just shut the fuck up and eat your cabbage?
>always crave animal products and try to simulate it at every turn (fake milk, fake cheese, fake eggs, fake meat)
>always smother salads in sauces and seasonings because vegetables taste like shit
Whatever, I'm sure there's more.
I will eat the meat.
>always crave animal products and try to simulate it at every turn (fake milk, fake cheese, fake eggs, fake meat)
>always smother salads in sauces and seasonings because vegetables taste like shit
Exactly this.
>eww I hate the taste of meat
>Omg this impossible burger tastes JUST like meat! You can’t even tell the difference
And
>look how healthy I am eating this fresh salad covered in 1000 calories of just straight oil and dressing! I bet you meat eaters are jealous of all this nutrition I’m getting!
brainwashed cult members (How do you find a vegan in a restaurant? Don't worry, they'll tell you!)
one way ticket to kekistan
Post body.
85% of vegan morons quit.
That's all you have to know.
Because it’s not convenient. Something like 4% said health problems. Which is less than meathead men in their 60s end up getting stents.
People get clogged arteries because of their garbage obesity diet that consists of 70% processed grains, added sugars and fats. Which are all plant-based. You can see on this graph that the meat/dairy/vegetable/fruit intake has remained constant, yet that the added garbage skyrocketed.
Practically no one manages to stay vegan for long enough to cause serious health problems, but it's a highly unhealthy diet. So much that a baby will simply die from it. 85% of vegantards quit because it's a nightmare for their bodies.
No they get it from too much saturated fat and cholesterol. That’s why meatheads die from heart attacks like suicide bombers in Parisian street festivals and vegans don’t.
>Reply to an image that shows plant-based foods have become an increasing part of the American diet over the past 5 decades
>Blame the meat intake which has remained constant over that time period for the increasing health problems
Are you actually retarded or just pretending?
get with the current year meme. now we are calling chuds school shooters and bringing it up all the time to trannies
>People get clogged arteries because of their garbage obesity diet that consists of 70% processed grains, added sugars and fats.
This.
Shit went downhill when Crisco came out in 1911. Yes, this was in use before First World War. The fat was initially intended to be used in soapmaking until they figured out they could sell it as food.
HELL, even before that there was a huge scandal of illegal mixing lard with cottonseed oil.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cottonseed_oil#Economic_history
>Cottonseed oil then began to be used illegally to fortify animal fats and lards.[41] Initially, meat packers secretly added cottonseed oil to the pure fats, but this practice was uncovered in 1884. Armour and Company, an American meatpacking and food processing company, sought to corner the lard market and realized that it had purchased more lard than the existing hog population could have produced.[
People were unknowingly eating oil slop and getting fat from it before it was even considered a staple food!
when did garden gnomes enter america?
seems no matter how much you read, america is the most garden gnome nation of all, constantly trying to sell people poison, from flouride byproducts dumped in water that was made as a byproduct from aluminum, to goy slop trans fats, to asbestors. Any thing bad for human health, they tired and succeeded in sneaking it in by selling it as a product.
its literally a nightmare country.
>The average American diet is 80% plant-based
>Must be the 20% animal based causing them to be fat retards
Vegans are retarded. Also every vegan suffers health problems from their shitty diet. Most just don't have the intellectual integrity and honesty to say "my diet is harming me, I need to eat animal products at least occasionally if I want to be healthy."
Vegans eat even more plant foods you blame for heart disease yet suffer way less from heart disease than meatheads.
Don't forget Vegans like to tell the biggest lies so they can get feelgood points from one another but they are also massive hyprocrites all with iphones and tattoos which I'm also pretty sure aren't vegan giving all the glycerin and animal bone used to make them
I'm an omnivore but Vegetarians are cool and are way more alpha than Vegans but I'm seeing less vegetarian optitions when dining out or in supermarkets since everything now has some stupid Vegan approved label since pretenting to care about the planet and enviroment is seen as the cool and hip thing
Name one lie vegans spread.
The main and most important one. That you don't need meat as a human. Therefore all of veganism is a delusional lie.
>The main and most important one. That you don't need meat as a human.
How do carni/keto cultists live with themselves promoting nothing but lies?
There hasn't been a single animal-based advocate that made it past 80 years old in 100 years. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OofKicAiDpQ
Most die in their 60s. Meanwhile vegans are PROVEN to have the greatest lifespans, least health issues, and greatest sense of wellbeing. Vegetarian centenarians are a dime a dozen. Meanwhile I have to sit here and read piles of nonsense about wheat roughage and vegans "destroying" the environment because apparently composting hasn't been invented and somehow factory farms are a regenerative form of recycling.
There are so many logical leaps and absolutely zero willingness to sit down and discuss things like adults. You refuse to read studies. You refuse to look at the evidence. You just attack and strawman, and promote your obvious influencer grifters who couldn't give one fuck about you but to sell you supplements. Absolutely wretched behavior.
I see the evidence with my eyes how malnourished, weak and miserable vegans look. It's enough. Shove your garden gnome studies up your asshole. Read all that shit years ago anyway.
All you have is lies and delusion to comfort yourself.
What, are all the weak, malnourished, miserable veganzombies just figments of my imagination? Shut up and munch on some leaves you cow.
>the weak, malnourished, miserable veganzombies just figments of my imagination
Absolutely Sv3rige. You have an incredibly long history of mental illness and delusion. It'd be better if your kind were exterminated like the cultish rat vermin you are.
Do us all a favor and go back to Bulgaria and confess to rape and murdering that child.
>belongs to a cult
>accuses some random on the internet of being the vegan devil himself, extremist
>accuses the dissenter who eats a balanced, moderated diet at a healthy bodyweight like most normal people of being in a cult, projecting.
Post a video of yourself eating one single item of meat of your choice. A ham sandwich, a hot dog, a burger. A nice salmon fillet. Whatever you want. Then go back to being 100% vegan again for the rest of your life. Do that, and I'll still disagree than veganism is a healthy diet, but I will change my mind about veganism being an actual mentally ill cult. I'll respect you more as a person. Hell, I could do the opposite. I could go a whole day without eating meat (and occasionally do). Why can't you? You won't die, you won't get sick, the vegan YouTube gods won't smite you. The animals won't all scream in collective anguish like the fucking Jedi during Order 66. Just do it and prove you aren't a totally brainwashed drone. It'll be fine, I promise.
Ex-vegans eat far less animal products than the general population and stop for a variety of reasons. I was vegan for well over a decade and it suited me fine. Healthy, high energy, perfect bloods. I no longer consider myself vegan as I moved out of the city to the coast and have backyard chickens. I'll eat eggs or seafood maybe once per month, not because I feel I need to, but because it's there and I don't care enough about the vegan label to not.
Many such cases.
Yet I enjoy both gardening and hunting
I can respect the principles of nonviolence behind not eating meat
It is still a way of life here for thousands of years, and the way of my ancestors
To hunt the wild boar, like the wolf, we have done this for thousands of years
I do not choose or decide this, I simply am this, it's a cultural inheritance
Heh, this thread again :*~~)
>basically I'm just not gonna do it
>food humans have been eating for 200,000+ years (meat) is bad
>this cultivated plant (created in a lab by Monsanto in 2009) that doesn't exist in nature represents the peak human diet
Yeah sure bro. Must explain why I feel so good after eating meat versus feeling like shit after a plant based "meal." The fact you list "inexpensive" as a positive tells me all I need to know.
antinatalism, suicide, and genocide are the most ethical things you can do for "the planet"
vegetarians are actually superieur. Arbitrarily not eating something because it has animal byproducts is pants on head.
Protip: Gasoline is an animal byproduct and therefore, not vegan.
kys moxyte
Hey Clarence, how's it going?
the planet
It doesn't as vegans are heavily dependent on basedbean agriculture as their protein source and for cooking oil.
your health
As your gains stagnate if you don't start losing them.
your wallet
It's cheaper to not be vegan
human consciousness to a whole new level
Losing your mind due to vegan brain shrinkage isn't raising consciousness
>>robs big pharma of racketeering profits
By getting on a diet endorsed by big pharma that's dependent on supplements from big pharma.
>>only diet that prevents and reverses three top killers globally (heart disease, cancer, diabetes)
It doesn't prevent any of those three. Omega 6 : Omega 3 imbalance common on the diet is a factor in heart disease. Cancer rate are unrelated to the diet in particular unless you are specifically avoiding smoking, drinking, etc. Type 2 Diabetes is glucose intolerance; it comes from eating too much sugar. Sucrose and HFC are vegan btw. Type 1 diabetes is genetic and cannot to be prevented with a vegan diet.
by the most based people to have walked the Earth
It's not.
>your entire post
Utter rubbish. Not even a single fact presented.
>>heh, but u have to take a b12 supplement every 3 months...
Daily. Moreover, vegan supplements for B12 are not used by the human body without conversion.
>>i have slightly higher choline levels
Much higher.
>>ur too skinny...
Yes. You shouldn't have gone Vegan. Now your gains are gone.
>>meat taste good
Yes. And the human body thinks meat tastes good because it was designed to get a significant portion of its nutrition from meat.
>>muh ancestors (grain eating peasants)
Prior to the neolithic farmers, there was about 150,000 years of unbroken meat eating with diets consisting at least 50% meat. After the neolithic revolution is when many human groups started to stagnate or even lose height while becoming much more susceptible to nutritional problems during famines.
? I bet u fart a lot...
Fiber is not a nutrient.
>When are you going to stop coping and just admit that plant-based is superior?
It's inferior.
veganism:
>destroys the planet with more agriculture
>destroys your health, weakens your jaws and muscle
>destroys your wallet from all the vegan meme shit
>least humane diet (letting animals die for no reason)
>provides big pharma with vitamin sales
>only diet to turn you into a ghoul
>embraced by only autistic and crazy people
Produce is terrible for the environment. >Muh methane
Lol okay but with produce what about the runoff, the soil degradation, the miles of plastic that gets laid down, literal tons of stakes, glorified slave labor? I'm a conservationist, a purist, and all I want to see is the beauty of the woodlands growing- I have no agenda. If you've ever lived around agriculture you know that produce is THE most destructive thing for the land (by a long shot), followed by row cropping, followed by pasture land, then planted pines last.
Put it this way- the healthiest most beautiful land is old growth woodlands and prairie or savannah as the case may be geographically. If I took a 500 acre tomato field and said "let's turn this back into old growth hardwoods" it would probably be impossible. Literally impossible after the soil change and runoff etc. Now if you took a cow pasture and tried to turn it back into old growth, it would take alot of forestry work and money but it would be 100% possible in like 200 years minimum.
If someone wants to take offense at meat on ethical grounds, that is at least tenable.. but to claim that on environmental grounds (while suggesting produce is ok), takes an insane level of delusion.
Ah yes, the imaginary tomatoes destroying my beautiful forests.
Look you clown, I live amongst it and see it with my own eyes. You read these pie sky pamphlets and charts churned out by some circumlocution office (with God knows what motives), and you miss whats right there in front of your face because it's probably all foreign to you... You've probably never worked on a farm, lived on one, or been around agriculture so you don't see what your beloved tomatoes do to the land.
Again if you gave me a 500 acre cow pasture and 200 hundred years, I could get it more or less on track to being hardwoods. If you gave me a 500 acre tomato field, I'm telling you now that it is permanently fucked. Ruined. No amount of time could undo it almost. The runoff, soil loss, and chemicals alone make it without a doubt the most disgusting thing you can do on a piece of dirt short of just salting it or strip mining.
I have never seen natural rape such as what a produce operation does to the land. Maybe reading all that picture book shit is a relief to you conscience but once you see it in real life up close, you'd know the great moral failure of industrial produce farming.
>I could plant a forest in 200 years
>look at how superior I am!
You could plant a forest now you lazy spaz. Just pick a swathe of land, get a group of like minded hippies and get to work. >b-but the government!
So don't tell them.
Oh wait, no, that labor is reversed for the proletariat masses. You will be overseeing the project from a managerial position from your penthouse, naturally.
Lol look you moron a hardwood old growth forest basically takes centuries to develop. The soil composition, competiton for light, etc. is sort of an incomprehensible form of evolution that happens in waves that eventually produces a sort of equilibrium. Its no different than how a bird species on a remote island evolves into a unique subspecies. Take a live oak bottom land- those trees could take 100 years just to get to a mature size and then successive generations dropping leaves branches etc. makes a unique soil composition and habitat for various undergrowth which trickles down to wildlife profile etc. Everything is a feedback loop.
The time frames and balance involved in building a natural old growth forest are entirely daunting. It could be done on a place with intact soil but it would take someone who knew what they were doing and a lot of time and money. If you just cleared land and let it go it would take way longer than 200 years
(not pictured: Tomato fields)
There's hundreds posted ITT and if you actually did go on those websites and do some searching you'd find plenty of results.
Stop being disingenuous for (you)s and act like an adult.
Look bozo that pamphlet picture book stuff just doesn't mean much to me when it comes down to using my own two eyes. That kind of trash is literally one of the easiest ways to lie- mostly because great swathes of our population are afflicted with a high degree of retardation and actually believe a graph carries ANY level of perceived authority.
The research I've done? I've lived on woodlands and around agriculture my entire life- I've seen very personally what these various practices do to the land and if you did as well, you'd know that you'd have to be full as a tick on 40 rod liquor to actually think pasture land is worse for nature than a produce operation.
>Providing land use acreage for fish and seafood.
Are you a child?
Fish farming is massive and extensive. Fish need lakes and feed to be fed.
How is it possible that grown men can lack basic knowledge on how the food supply works?
From that graph I conclude we should eat chicken and eggs as much as we want since they contein proteins far superior protein to vegan proteins while being either less or as intensive as the best vegan protein, onions.
>Most humane
This is the part of the argument I check out on every time.
You're attempting to make me feel morally guilty for the slaying of a living being for the gain and nutrients of my own, you just don't care as much because you don't believe the floral feel at the same level as the fauna.
It's an insidious stance to take and the real truths are that you should be able to give a sound argument without trying to enforce your morality on others. ~~*1*~~ and II. you should give thanks to the beings that have passed from this plane so that you may continue to stay, this is the most important part of the meal.
Industrial chicken and pork production is a moral failure. However the industrial destruction of the land and nature's beauty so that you can have cheap tomatoes is also a moral failure of the highest order.
This coupled with the fact that vegans telegraph obvious ulterior motives for their selective and deluded ethics makes people resist admitting the moral failures of modern commercial pork and poultry as reactionary act.
Anyways we have alot of problems on this planet and there is only one ultimate answer to these environmental problems and if any one grand stands telling you otherwise they are full of shit.
You have good unprogramed brain thoughts.
>we have alot of problems on this planet and there is only one ultimate answer to these environmental problems
gaia doesn't exist. your cult is fake and gay
Do you need help? I'm talking about population lol. That's the single most important factor obviously.
yes you do need help. your trying to worship a large rock instead of worshipping God. gaia doesn't exist
What do vegans actually want anyway? Like what's the end goal? So you snap your fingers and now boom, everyone is a vegan. No more meat. No more animal products of any kind. What happens to human civilization, what happens to the planet? What, are the animals going to lie down with us and frolic in the streets and highways? Fruit trees every 5 meters? Are you just going to let billions and billions of cows, pigs, chickens, sheep all hang out in your back yard and shit everywhere? What do you think is going to happen here? Who the fuck is going to shear the sheep? Who's going to provide veterinary care to these now wild animals? Hell, let us know what the plan here is.
>the bleating of a herd of sheep kept me up all night long
>3000 roosters crowing jolts me awake early from my hazy 3 hour nap
>chug my 8 banana smoothie as a bull smashes though my window and trashes my living room
>forgot to take my vitamin pill, organs start failing
>get caught in a 8000 cow stampede on my way to work
>electric AI car catches on fire and runs over a crowd of people
>boss yells at me for being late
>600 squealing, filthy pigs burst into the office from nowhere and shit all over my workstation
>finally after a long day I make my back home
>a flock of 200 geese prevent me from gaining entry into my home, have to sleep in the shed
>chicken poops on my head
Such is life
>What do vegans actually want anyway?
Veganism is ultimately humanitarian.
We want the best for everyone and we embrace the diet that has nothing but positives on all aspects. Literally thousands of studies proving this (which you all refuse to read)
On the flipside, we have pictures of anorexic people, B12, and choline. Let's destroy our planet to the point that it's a wasteland in two generations (as we have been doing to disastrous results) so we can have more choline and don't need B12 supplements.
It's incredibly pathetic and self-centered.
>Literally thousands of studies proving this (which you all refuse to read)
>ctrl F pubmed 0/0
>ctrl F ncbi 0/0
Climate change is such bullshit and its not gonna help you push your message here.
I'm vegan, the best thing you can do is show that being compassionate for animals is a value of strong men.
If people don't want to listen to facts because it conflicts with their ill-begotten preconceived notions of XvsY politics they should absolutely go ahead and eat as much meat as they possibly can.
We don't need these subhumans in our movement.
>Climate change is such bullshit
oh noes. gaia doesn't exist. you are destroying his religion
>Let's destroy our planet to the point that it's a wasteland in two generations
gaia doesn't exist and only the mentally ill follow your religion
Cool but meat tastes good.
>go vegan
How the fuck are you supposed to get your 1g/lb of balanced protein without becoming obese?
s oy protein powders
>How the fuck are you supposed to get your 1g/lb of balanced protein without becoming obese?
Beans, peas, lentils, corn, wheat, rye, tofu, oats, potatoes, nuts will all put you over 1.2g/kg easy and for a fraction of the price of meat. Most vegetables are mostly protein as well and will add up throughout the day.
Basically any food group apart from fruit and oils will easily meet your requirements. Bioavailability is another meme it only measures the digestive energy needed to assimilate the proteins and it's only about 10% less than animal protein on average.
Most of the shit you read is just fearmongering from meatcucks and shills.
>watercress
Wasn't there a pic that shown (with calculations!) that you need a literal metric cube of the stuff to hit the daily protein goal?
eat lentils and nuts. pretty easy to hit your targets.
gay
I care about my health more than I care about animal welfare or garden gnomed environmental issues (still waiting on those rising sea levels btw), yes. I value myself more than I do unthinking animals and dirt. Why is that so strange to you?
I ask basic question (how to get your 1g/day protein) and you respond dismissively like a typical obnoxious vegan.
If that’s your attitude I will stick with my beef liver and whey
Vegans, as a general rule:
>Look like shit
>Are mentally ill- depressed, anxious, deeply hateful of themselves, believe humans to be a blight on the earth
>display a quasi-religious affinity for veganism no science supports
>Vegans, as a general rule:
>>Look like shit
>go vegan
>abuse roids
how does this make sense
id rather just keep eating meat if thats alright, thx bud cheers and have a great day
post physique. meat diet physique will always mog.
How do meatcucks cope with the fact that the king of bodybuilding went vegan?
>almost 80 yrs old, brain deteriorating from roid abuse
>goes vegan
its like getting stupider is tied together with going vegan or something
gee
>skinnyfat DYEL shit talking the greatest bodybuilder of all time for eating plants
pathetic
On a board where half the users are on TRT we're going to advocate against roids now?
posting an image of roided up vegans doesnt support any points made at all
>its healthier
>eating meat without using roids would be healthier
>you can be shredded while being a vegan
>if you use steroids you gain muscle just by laying on the couch
>posting an image of roided up vegans doesnt support any points made at all
All of said points are backed by numerous studies. Plenty of studies showing there's no difference in LBM gain with vegans vs omnis, vegans gain less fat actually. All you have to do is get enough protein it's not rocket science and there is no magical chemical in meat that makes you grow.
Stop being disingenuous. Speak like an adult.
point out where what i said was wrong :p
Holy shit, the vegan is back again.
That last thread you tried to shit up wasn't satisfactory enough for your bruised ego?
Don't you understand that it's important that I convince 4 people on a Laotian crab fishery hygiene and maintenance forum that you should eat spinach? Please agree with me! Don't you know that trees need soil?! PLEASE AGREE WITH ME ARE YOU A CHILD?!
I played college football in my last few years as a vegan because of a dream I had and havent stopped
how do vegans even get protein?
That's the neat thing!
They don't!
>Literally just stop pretending and admit you don't give a FUCK about the animals. It's that simple. You don't care. You have never cared. You don't care about the planet either.
you gaia planet goddess does not exist. thus your religion and ethics aren't real just like sex involving something other than 1 man and 1 woman. so we committed no sin and we are not heretics since there is no gaia that is angry at us
hilariously wrong but good bait
factual on all accounts.
Not even a single post has attempted to refute. Just base name calling. Lowest IQ posts on IST
>shipping large amounts of luxury out of season food items from the 3rd world to the first world on a global scale
>better for the planet
It would be better for the planet if everyone had their own cow farm.
I’m vegan some days because I just don’t eat a lot
nature also doesn't care about your feelings when it assigns to you a frugivore classification
carnitards are literally more irrational than trannies
Posting fruity infographs with cheery picked anecdotal evidence does not prove your point retard.
We have evidence of butchery done on animal bones dating back thousands of years, entirely disproving the concept of humans being "frugivores".
Be honest with yourself before posting such incredibly retarded drivel.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4843629/
actually millions of years
Am I supposed to be convinced by a picture of rocks? And why do I need rocks to smash animal brains?
I should get in on this keto grift actually if people are so fucking retarded they'll make you millions for posting pictures of rocks and saying mongols drank milk.
>Find a single (1) video by a MeatMD who isn't shilling 1000 "carnivore" supplements in the description challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
Wow you are surprised that doctors have to make money too! Many such cases! All your vegan brained docs will try to sell you magical b12 supplements that half work because of your shitty diet.
Making the argument that he's selling supplements (especially as a vegan! XD) doesn't help prove against anything in the video. I'd really set your bias aside and give the video a chance.
Real doctors actually practice medicine and don't have to rely on scamming braindead tubs of lard with pictures of rocks.
Also as a further note, he is sponsored by two products, whereas all the other things you listed in the screenshot were his social media... fucking retard. Whatever allows you to discredit any opposing info.
>dude i literally cannot stop getting scammed by con artists lmao
lmao
>here's a picture of some rocks
>btw buy my $98 course that tells you how to eat meat
do carnies really
Or just like, idk learn the information from his lectures and videos which are all backed by actual studies and then just apply the information to your life without going for the extra shit that is purposely there to make money, you know because people need to make money.
>actual studies
>pictures of rocks
https://www.discovermagazine.com/environment/the-evolutionary-timeline-retooled
All of his shit is referenced at the end of the video tard
>https://www.discovermagazine.com/environment/the-evolutionary-timeline-retooled
I skimmed through the article. They found some rocks that were likely used as tools.
It takes a polevault over mount everest to equate that to being used for "pounding animal brains". It could've been used for literally anything.
You are perhaps one of the stupidest people I've ever met. Your arguments are that of a elementary school student.
Why is it such a big stretch, those tools evolved and evolved over time into better weapons to hunt with. We've been primarily hunters. Which is exactly the point he was trying to make with that reference in that slide.
I've never had the displeasure of meeting someone as stupid as you.
I mean the progression was pretty much:
>hit thing with rock, it hurts it more than your hand
>rock hit rock make sharp rock
>sharp rock better than regular rock
>stick good
>BREAKTHROUGH
>What if stick was sharp
>itsonbitch.exe
So on so forth for a while
>be chad homo sapiens sapiens
>wield sharp stick mk5
>aka stick with sharp rock attached
>breaks less, kills more, eat mammoth life good
>go home
>some child fucked up spear shaft
>it has a lot of points, its fucked
>throw it to the river in rage
>it caught a fish
>holy fuck
>don't need to catch fish with hand anymore
>retarded child invented speark mk5 B
....where the fuck was I going with this?
>Anyways, while this was all happening some female gatherers with finger dexterity made baskets
>MOAR BERRIES
>MANY FOODS
>Survival of tribe guaranteed
Our omnivore system gives us the flexibility to get all our nutrients in the best ways available.
I will protest cruelty against animals whenever but will not turn vegan, just get non factory meat instead
>rocks: exist
>"THIS PROVES IT HUMANS ONLY ATE MEAT WE ARE CARNIVORES HOW IS THAT SUCH A BIG STRETCH BRO??"
Yes yes and I am a Nigerian prince. I desperately need your help in transferring my billions of dollars in oil money please email me at [email protected]@mm$r$.cum
copemax
You can also look up multiple videos (>1) from either Anthony Chaffee MD, Sally K Norton, Paul Saladino MD, and KenDBerryMD. All of these people know of the dangers of high oxalate intake from plant-based diets as well as our natural capabilities of having an animal-based diet.
Paul Saladino is what happens when gaslighting takes a human form..
Fiber. Bad for you.
Omega3's. Bad for you.
Vegetables. Bad for you.
But today I ate tube of honey and literally raw baboon brains. Good for you. Cholesterol of 538mg/dl is also good for you and there is nothing wrong of having two months long diarrheas. Just trust me and all the cherry picked meat industry sponsored short term studies that prove it! This is what the broccoli industry doesnt want you to know: MY HEART&SOIL ORGAN SUPPLEMENTS ARE 50% OFF ONLY TODAY!
Elimination diet, fasting and quitting junk food is what works for those people, not eating over priced animal testicles or whatever Saladino and his business partner Liver King recommends these days.
Are you just saying they are meat industry sponsored or is there proof? And can you show me where he says Omega-3's are bad besides when you have too much? I know that he quit strictly carnivore and went animal products + fruit and honey. I'm not arguing I'm just genuinely curious because if what you say is true then sure he might not be very credible.
I lost my interest in Saladino years ago, but you can click the links to the studies he references and check for biases.
In reality there aren't any long term studies of following carnivore diet for a long time. No one ever had the idea to remove all fiber and plant foods from their diet, just because they dont align with your marketing angle and exploitative business plan. When something fits his narrative suddenly honey is good for you and dont even harm your teeth, when its not you can market as carnivore diet, suddenly even fiber becomes unnecessary according this one short term bullshit study and 30 minutes of extempore meaningless jargon.
>> This could be you. Just chilling in the airport happily. Getting all my essential nutrients from this random glass jar of rotten decaying meat I like to carry around. Totally normal behaviour.
40 years ago people like that would have been locked away in mental institutes. Nowadays it is so easy and accepted to manipulate people and spread these trans, flat earth and carnivore mind viruses to people who are just suckers superfans and followers.
Damn this is a bitter post. You should touch grass, anon.
>has rainbow color on his picture
>denys being a chud
I don’t give a fuck about a cow and I don’t give a fuck about your feelings bitch fag
Did you not get the memo? People don’t care about anyone but themselves. Sooner you accept it sooner you stop killing BBC threads and get on with your life.
Mate please, suggesting it is fine but this is exactly why almost nobody likes vegans.
The sheer amount of preaching you fucks do instantly turns away anyone who would have considered it. Hell I can picture people not going vegan just to avoid getting associated.
I have gotten to know two or three vegans and they have been either people like you, who everyone zones out when they speak, or a person with an actual personality who happens to be vegan and mentions it every blue moon when we order food.
Oxalate foaming tards btfo
>promotes grifter ken berry
>promotes Juden Peterstein
>promotes keto
>links his supplement referrals and patreon below his videos
$$$$$$
you keep bitchin about keto. Please tell us what you think keto means since it lives in your head rent free.
it means fatass loudmouth americans become desperate to lose weight and reverse the health conditions brought on by their own stupidity.
Then they latch onto the first garden gnometube pedo grifter that pops up in their search engine and conveniently choose the one that allows them to indulge in all of their bad habits while feeling good about themselves, as long as they cut out the carb devil.
Nobody with half a brain does keto and it shows.
What kind of bad food habits can you indulge in on low/zero carbs? Just curious what you think.
This is what carnivores actually eat
Lady in this vid says she's allergic to "room-temperature butter" too.
And how is that a bad food habit, you get all your essential nutrients from meat, and looks like there are good saturated fats there, unless she used seed oils. As for the allergy that could be a lactose-intolerance or her body doesn't digest A1 or A2 milk proteins well.
>you get all your essential nutrients from meat
>he doesn't know
Be cautious, the vegans on this thread are ravenous for nutrients
Daily reminder:
These type of threads are just reinforcing your meaningless and time wasting outrage porn addiction.
Pretty much
Dietschizos aren't going to change their minds because they're insane
Everyone else won't change their minds because they're sane
These threads are simply an elaborate time wasting activity that makes everyone on both sides impotently seethe for no reason. No one gains anything, no conclusion is reached, and everyone loses an hour or three of their life and gets to be pissed off for the rest of the day for their trouble.
Hide these threads and move on. Talk about literally anything else
>Dietschizos aren't going to change their minds because they're insane
You're wrong. I used to be a full-blown ketoschizo knee-deep in lies, conspiracy theories and bullshit beliefs their gurus spread. Then I learned one of their core claims is untrue and the rest of their bullshit mountain came crumbling down rapidly thereafter. Didn't help their case one bit that I began suffering from severe fatigue and heart palpitations. Now I'm back to eating like a normal fitizen.
Vegans are a different case. Their diehards do it for the animals on moral grounds, it's more of a religon, so chances are they denouncing it for any reason are slim. Ketards have some spark of hope within.
what was the core claim ketos thought was true?
"Carbs cause diabetes and keto cures it", then I stumbled upon diabetes actually being caused by FAT accumulating inside and outside cells. "insulin spiking" has nothing do with it, it's normal response! google intramyocellular lipids. then I noticed keto scene has rampant reports of them getting high blood sugars in pre/diabetic ranges and wasn't hard to put 1+1=2
Lol, retard. Intramyocellular lipids occur after your dumb fat liver isn't able to store the consequences of your retardation any longer. (PUFA, carbs, alcohol, etc.) It's a hallmark of metabolic disease, not the cause of it. Sugar is causal to metabolic disease and it's actually proven already. Stop being retarded, diabeto. Blood sugars being high is a sign someone isn't properly dieting or eating too much SUGAR, which would indicate they're not in ketosis or are type 1 diabetic, which isn't the same as insulin resistance.
Fucking retard, holy shit lmfao. Google has vested interest in vegan products, use alternative search engines. You won't, because you're a vegan shill.
blah blah blah you can further look how eating a lot of fat correlate with diabetes rates, I know all the fucking copes you gays post about this topic by heart already so you can just go and swing from your neck, it's fun
Diabetes has only been a common thing since cash crops, and you know this. You're being intellectually dishonest trying to pin the blame for diabetes on ancient foods (animal fats). But then again if you were honest you wouldn't be shilling for a completely unnatural corporate diet (veganism)
Fair enough, you're correct in that veganism is much more religious than the other variants of diet schizos (which is why you tend to see a lot more vitriol against them, they're simply more irritating than the other variants). Then again this is a veganism thread so I stand by what I said lol
>comparing keto cult to veganism
Stop trying to make us look like fanatics to justify your bad decisions. There's a far cry between following moral and health principles backed by rigorous scientific research vs an anti-science cult that bases it's entire existence on trying to annoy vegans, shill for the meat industry, and sell supplements for $$$$.
Vegans do it out of the ideal of minimizing suffering, a noble goal, or out of optimizing health, also a noble goal. There are no noble goals associated with the opposite, except maybe LARPing as an apex predator while in reality belong to the primates class which is frugivorous (carb-based) in nature.
I make it simple:
Things that make me happier and more clear-headed:
>quality animal protein
>quality animal-based fat
>high fiber fruits and vegetables
Things that make me anxious/depressed:
>Refined sugar and carbs - everything from soda to white rice
>PUFA fried foods
I have a very sensitive reactions to food. Within two hours of eating certain foods, I become extremely irritable, my stomach feels inflamed, and I start to get really pissed off at old wounds and old arguments.
Over a lot of experimentation, I finally narrowed down the cause of my food-based mood problems to two primary culprits:
>Culprit 1: PUFA fried foods.
Basically any food fried in things like canola oil. Frying in ghee, butter or tallow does not result in the same effect (I feel no anxiety or depressive symptoms the next day).
This culprit causes an effect the next day on my mood and energy levels.
I can reproduce this effect at any time by simply eating chinese food. The next day, my anxiety and depression will skyrocket. The delayed effect of increased anxiety and depression caused problems for me in figuring out what the issue was.
>Culprit 2: Refined sugar and refined carbs.
This has a more immediate effect, as within two hours after eating refined sugar and carbs, especially if I eat little else, I become extremely irritable.
The closest medical explanation for I can find that seems related to this is blood sugar levels dropping. But I could easily be pre-diabetic.
As long as I avoid these two things - PUFA fried food and refined sugar and a lot of carbs - I do fine. That is not to say everybody will do fine. I also break down every once in a while and go back to poor eating ("surely this time, things will be different"). But they always end up giving me the equivalent of a mood or personality disorder (or greatly exacerbating an underlying existing one).
You won't believe me but that's all from your childhood vaccines.
Go on...
boyd haley
explain the name bitch
based OP
lmao "leee vaccines are bad!!1"
You're a moron lmao
Don't waste my time with retarded comments. I was excited to get a You.
I dont understand why we constantly need to have this thread when the obvious answer is that eating a mix of both meat and vegetables is diet you want to have
>anon makes a gigachad home gardener
>veganschizo tries to use it to push his gay agenda
>words words words words
The left can't meme
The best way a vegan can benefit the planet is to kill themselves
Try feeding a newborn vegan diet, the baby will die.
Vegans are mentally ill.
Newborns literally eat vegan diets. Mashed veggies, rice cereal, pureed fruit.
Lol
No they don't you lying gay, milk is not in mentally ill vegan diets which is why vegan babies die.
Imagine being so useless you manage to go against millions of years of evolution and racial memory and kill your child with vegetables instead of tit milk and meat.
The one good thing about vegans is that they decided on an evolutionary dead-end and cannot breed.
This is true. If they would just keep their cult to themselves and die off the world would be a better place without those urban retards. But they recruit people into their cult, especially women, they lobby governments. They won't leave you alone. At some point people have to accept that vegans are terrorists in a satanic cult and their existence should not be tolerated. Their food processing centres need to be destroyed, their shops vandalised, their activists attacked.
newborns fed vegan diets die
thankfully you cut your willy off
All vegan doctors recommend milk for infants. That's what it's for.
It's obviously not for adults though and we can associate dairy consumption with a multitude of diseases.
>bad faith tread
>hundreds of replies
>pointless flame war for hours and hours
IST dumb-dumbs out in full force tonight.
Post body, Moxyte
Additionally, people who have NOT cured type 2 diabetes:
>Dr. Eric Berg the Chiropractor and Scientologist
>Jimmy Moore, literally obese and diabetic child rapist
>Dr. ~~*Robert Atkins*~~, obese and died of heart disease
>Dr. Jason Fung (Jimmy Moore's co-author)
>Dr. Stan Ekberg the Chiropractor
>Frank Tufano (supplement pusher, also blames "carnivore" diet for destroying his liver)
>Sv3rige, mass stabber child rapist (look it up)
>Dr. Ken Berry (also rakes in millions off of supplement/meat sales)
Literally not even a single person listed in what can be colloquially known as the anti-vegan movement omits a history of shady behavior. I bring this up because the "meat-based" dieters ITT follow these gurus who are clearly conning them for $$$$
If we quit memeing for a second and talk like humans, you guys think following supplement pushers, obese weight loss gurus, chiropractors posing as MDs, and child rapists are trustworthy people?
We clearly have a problem here.
Five minutes on google tells me you're full of shit
>A recent primary care-based cohort study showed that about 97% of type 2 diabetes patients who adopted a low-carbohydrate diet experienced improvements in blood glycemic control.
>About 51% of the type 2 diabetes patients achieved remission on the low-carbohydrate diet, with individuals diagnosed with type 2 diabetes within the previous year more likely to achieve remission than those who had diabetes for a longer duration.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/low-carb-diet-reverses-type-2-diabetes-in-51-of-participants-to-new-study#Type-2-diabetes-remission
kys gay
Remission is not cure and you have to stay on the diet (i.e. keep the bandaid on) to keep blood sugar down.
Also from the article: "In contrast, 35% and 20% of patients adopting the low-carbohydrate diet between 1-5 years and more than 15 years after their diabetes diagnosis, respectively, achieved remission."
Good God do you people have no sense of truth or integrity in you at all? Literally every single post it's nothing but constant ad hominem and personal attacks with zero honest presentation of data or willingness to argue in good faith.
You talk more like demons than humans.
lmao you typed all that shit just to cope
I don't know anon, sounds like you're full of shit.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2677007/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2671114/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34113961/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6153574/
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2738784
The truth is obfuscated to keep you diseased and profitable to the gnomish medical industry.
I care about others and wish for them to do well. It puts me into constant struggle with those who don't care, push a greed-driven agenda, and spiritually barren individuals.
I will never stop, either.
None of those say anything about CURING diabetes, only improve various factors.
Diabetes can be managed by many different diets, plus exercise. Almost all diabetics are fatsos. Rest lost the genetic lottery
Cope, seethe, etc
>None of those say anything about CURING diabetes, only improve various factors.
The "factors" include reversing diabetes completely. Pic rel. diet cured Type 2 diabetes and kidney disease, both said to be incurable.
They can't say "cure" because that'll get you suicided by the pharmaceutical cabal but it's clear as day what happens. It's also why vegans have the lowest rate of diabetes of all diet groups, even despite many eating vegan junk food and tons of fat.
When are you going to dare to be honest?
schizo alert
back to 4chan with you
>basic medical knowledge is schizo
>discussion of the mechanisms of insulin signaling and T2DM is 4chan
Sorry I responded to your post by mistake. Your post is correct.
It's very simple. Mixed macro diets cause diabetes. If you are overweight/diabetic, simply restrict either fat or carbs to 0 grams, and your diabetes will reverse. And before you bring up ketogenic insulin resistance, that is a temporary mechanism that will go away after a few days of eating carbs.
>(T2DM) diabetes is genetic
Haha wtf are you talking about you dumb retard? T2DM is insulin dysfunction caused by bad diet + a lack of physical activity. We're not talking about Type 1 diabetes and pancreatic autoimmune destruction. You even said it yourself:
>Almost all diabetics are fatsos
Yes, and the ones that aren't are either Type 1 diabetics or just skinny with a shitty diet.
>None of those say anything about CURING diabetes, only improve various factors.
This is strictly semantics as I discuss in my post
. You can most certainly "cure" diabetes AKA fix your diet and start exercising and never need treatment for it again, unless you relapse to a shitty diet. The reason the word "cure" isn't used is because it makes people think they will become immune to diabetes, like it's some sort of disease you catch from other people.
>Literally every single post it's nothing but constant ad hominem and personal attacks with zero honest presentation of data or willingness to argue in good faith.
You are literally responding to someone who posted data and a scientific study (which you have no counter-study to).
Also,
>remission is not cure
You have literally no idea what T2DM is. Remission is, for all intents and purposes, a cure. T2DM happens when you eat like shit. When you stop eating like shit, your blood sugar and insulin signaling become normal. The reason they say it's "not a cure" is because, as soon as you start eating like shit again (many such cases), you will develop T2DM again. People think when you're "cured of a disease" you won't get it again. That's why "remission" is used instead of "cured" for T2DM.
Vegan Shills have a nice day.
Argument 1 :
- Veganism = Cringe. Because you're a herbivore cuck.
- Omnivore / Meat eating = Based. Chads dominate.
Simple as.
Argument 2 :
- Eating only Animal Products will no cause ANY health problems. In fact alo of people with auto-mmune problems will be healthier han before.
- Eating only Plant Product = Bad Health and evenually Death if you persist.
Of course I'm talking WITHOU CHEATING, meaning you can't take supplements.
Omnivore / Meat Eaters 2- 0 Vergans.
Get fucked.
>But but, muh sources
You want SOURCES VeganFag OK HERE COMES THE ENTIRE ANTI-VEGAN DEBUNK.
HAVE FUCK READING YOU DIETARY KEKOLD.
Rundown Part 1 pic related
Vegan Debunk part 2
That particular web of lies was debunked over two years ago.
>That particular web of lies was debunked over two years ago.
LMAO No you're just coping and seething.
You need more proof ?
>Eating meat led to smaller stomachs, bigger brains
>The Harvard Gazette
>https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2008/04/eating-meat-led-to-smaller-stomachs-bigger-brains/
This article alone DESTROYS ALL the points you tries to make.
More sources? Okay, how abou Time magazine?
>Sorry Vegans: Here's How Meat-Eating Made Us Human
>https://time.com/4252373/meat-eating-veganism-evolution/
That's 2 article tha destroy all your arguments.
More ? Okay.
Teeth problem that arrise when going Vegan
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8187263/
Children who go Vegan are on average 4-5cm shorter in height.
>https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9648849/Children-trendy-vegan-diets-1-2-inches-SHORTER-average.html
You need more?
LMAO.
I'm provding Source after source.
You're providing Cope after Cope.
We are not the same.
And I get it, you're angry and you're depressed from the vegan diet.
I'm strong, happy, confident.
You lose every time.
You ry to answer my posts bu you don't answer all the valid points made ITT.
You flee debate.
You're closed minded.
You refuse to accept Scientific Fact.
Your loss VeganCuckold.
I don't think you have a GF/partner bu if you do you can tell them meat eaters like me make great bullsfor cuckolds like you.
Veganism = Cringe.
Cope and seethe weak gay.
Even Vegans admit that eating meat makes them more healthy.
Cope and Seethe
I know people who hate zionism that also don’t eat meat, just saying.
Why do vegans enjoy eating like slaves? More meat for their massa, I guess.
Except does the exact opposite of what op claims. Literally the complete opposite
Good try though, I hope you're being paid a lot.
Yeah uh
I'm going to eat meat, carbs, fats, and vegetables.
I'm an omnivore, I will vore everything.
? I bet u fart a lot...
Vegan studies show this, though. This one hooked people's asses up to a gas measuring machine (lol) and saw that the vegan diet caused literally no improvements, just a lot more farting and pooping. What is the difference between flatulence and "anal gas evacuations?" I don't know.
>Differential Effects of Western and Mediterranean-Type Diets on Gut Microbiota: A Metagenomics and Metabolomics Approach
https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/13/8/2638
>no change in discomfort, distension, bloating when fiber added to diet
>FMD (extra fiber) group had much more flatulence, anal gas evacuations, stool frequency and weight
Damn, I’m not vegan but I’m tempted to become one by how much it makes you gays seethe.
Even the notion of simply eating less meat sets them off like a muslim when you insult mohammad. Being fat is unhealthy and unattractive, sorry.
went from 80% grain to 80% meat
Glad you lost weight anon, but how is that relevant?
>Being fat is unhealthy and unattractive, sorry.
My point is that meat doesn't make you fat, quite the opposite
Green text wasn’t me, but yes. Meat, like every other food including bread, oils, butter, vegetables, fruit, etc., doesn’t make you fat. Someone could gain weight or lose weight eating any of these things.
Looks good, anon.
>how is you losing weight and having a muscular, fit body relevant to you not being fat and unattractive?
This is your brain without B12.
Samefag btw
You’re fighting demons brother
Not convinced, I'm sure you used F12.
Ok. My argument is thus, people eat too much. I eat all the colors of the rainbow, and my preferred animal protein is fish because that’s how my Holy Roman ancestors ate. Simple as
>out of the hundreds of thousands of years of human history I choose to eat like my ancestors from a couple thousand years ago
We’re approaching Bobby Fischer levels of paranoia.
Not really, I'm just certain because both posts had the same faggy style of writing and were about "meat eaters seething if you don't eat meat," which is a bizarre, untrue notion. I think it's much more plausible that one faggy vegan roleplayed as a samefag, waited 8 minutes to respond and had an F12 screenshot ready than two faggy delusional people existing ITT.
It's just Occam's razor.
The inherent seethe is pity inducing. Pro-dietA or anti-dietB is not something to attach your state of well being to.
My state of wellbeing is pretty good, actually. I just think veganism is a mental disorder. Fitting that it lacks critical nutrients for your brain (B12, carnitine, carnosine).
I’m the anon in question. The thing is that I’ve been researching nutrition extensively to help ease my own schizophrenic delusions and find peace of mind. I tried being “vegan” not eating any animal products just to see how I would feel. I believe that you can live and thrive like that, but I also believe that you can do the same with any diet based on whole foods. I just don’t like red meat anymore, I prefer fish and aged cheese. So I’m “pescatarian”, but in reality I just want to eat as healthy as possible to fuel a long, prosperous life for myself. The divide and conquer discord is also a part of zion’s plan, when really everyone should do their best to become independent of the FDA, buy local and support small businesses.
>I believe that you can live and thrive like that
It is literally impossible to live on a vegan diet without artificial supplements. Please stop spreading this myth, you are hurting people.
Yea, but lots of people supplement lots of things. Roids, for instance. I don’t know what’s best, I’ll spend the rest of my life researching and trying to find what works for me. I felt like shit force feeding myself, and my research has shown that I shouldn’t worry about not getting enough protein or nutrients. I don’t care if IST thinks im skinny. Food is like God to some people, it’s hard to find truth in this field.
Steroids aren't nutrients. What a stupid comparison.
>worry about getting enough nutrients
Vegan diets aren't just "low on nutrients," they are absolutely void of certain nutrients you need (AKA you will die without them). This is why veganism has never been practiced in any culture throughout any point in history until the invention of artificial supplements and globalism.
>What is Jainism?
An esoteric religion that practices vegetarianism, which is not veganism.
This talking point is retarded. There will always be goyim to man the Schlachthausen. Eden has enough to go around, whatever that is you want to wat.
Holy SHIT, how is this thread not dead yet? I guess it's good containment for you schizo diet retards.