vegans claim s0y doesnt decrease testosterone because it blocks androgen receptors?

It is a common claim the phytoestrogens in onions actually bind to estrogen receptors and block animalistic estrogen from binding . or some shit like that

I havent heard any arguments to counter this receptor angle

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    When they bind to those receptors and are chemically almost identically all you do is add even more estrogen which does pretty much the same shit as the estrogen your body produces naturally

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Thats what i was thinking, its like how blasting T will bind the receptors and not block excess T coming into effect

      i wonder where the f this myth even comes from, surely im not the only one who sees it sprouted around?

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Onions is in just about everything. There would be a pandemic of literal trannies everywhere if it actually had a feminizing effect. There are more Asians than any other race and they have eaten tons of onions for thousands of years. Doesn’t seem to be effecting their men.

    It’s a fucking bean. It’s amazing how much fear and chaos it’s caused.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      asians are low t and mens test has been plummeting as onions enters the food supply

      https://i.imgur.com/2MmOm7A.png

      being anti onions makes me keto now?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >being anti onions makes me keto now?
        It's a bot. It's triggered by key words.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          how does it bypass the captcha? hopefully the indians dont discover this while biz isnt too bad lol

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You just pay for IST pass, retard.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >afraid of a fucking bean
        >”t-t-they are lowtest beta males”

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >There would be a pandemic of literal trannies everywhere if it actually had a feminizing effect

      you ever seen east asian men?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        They're small, but thatbwould be more of a cultural issue no? I can't say there is an gyno epidemic as well.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Onions is in just about everything
      This is only true in America. Thank your based and redpilled farmers for that.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >they have eaten tons
      The max amount is about 75mg of isoflavones in the okinawan diet, not typical japanese which is what all the söy institutes studies are based on. They get that much eating mostly fermented soi products. 1 single scoop of modern soi protein already exceeds that amount. 2 glasses of soi milk exceeds that amount. Soi in processed foods can quickly add up. Westerners are more exposed to soi than japanese.

      Besides that, 75mg has moderate effects on the population, its 300-400 where the big effects come in. If you're a normal person that's hard to do, you need to drink a liter or 2 of soi milk every day, or replace your daily whey with soi protein powders. However if you're a vegetarian trying to get more protein that can quickly become an issue. If you're a vegan cultist trying to replace every single protein source with soi, you're almost guaranteed to have problems.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >There would be a pandemic of literal trannies everywhere if it actually had a feminizing effect.
      Yeah, it's not like men's testosterone is dropping 1% per year in the western world.
      It's not like there's been an epidemics of transexuals and issues surrounding them have become hot button topics despite them being virtually unheard-of 10 years ago.
      If either of those things were happening, we would have reason to be concerned.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    IMAGINE BEING SCARED OF A LITTLE TOFU

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    "Onions is bad cuz uhhhhhh PHYTOESTROGEN"

    You guys know that meat & dairy contain actual estrogen right? Like you're worried about phytoestrogens behaving like estrogen while consuimg actual estrogen which is estrogen...

    https://ascopubs.org/doi/abs/10.1200/jco.2010.28.15_suppl.1553
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-does-dairy-affect-your-hormone-levels/#:~:text=All%20milk%20(whether%20from%20cows,milk%20than%20in%20skim%20milk.

    inb4 anti-vegan spam, I eat a balanced diet of veggies, meat, and sometimes onions/tofu because I'm not a terminally online knuckledragger who believes broscience and twitter idiots.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The body has mechanisms to control the hormones it makes. The same chemical reactions can't necessarily take place on a chemical that's just structurally similar enough to trigger estrogen receptors (apparently very sensitive, everything fucking switches them on)

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        There is literally zero evidence that phytoestrogens are harmful when consumed in the levels typical of an Asian diet.

        Estrogen is metabolised by your liver & kidneys, which we evolved to deal with anything the world throws at us. They can handle a number of poisons in low volumes, a bit of fucking tofu is not going to be a problem.

        If you're referring to reuptake, that's a process for neurohormones. Estrogen is not a neurohormone.

        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6390141/

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >what is selective estrogen receptor modulator for 500 Alex
          >why does it negate your entire argument

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            The existence of SERMs does not negate anything in my argument. I am not making the claim that phytoestrogens have no effect on the human body. Far from it, I have linked an article which speaks to their health benefits.

            If you believe that the levels of phytoestrogens found in any typical foods are harmful to a human, please link a non-retracted, peer reviewed article on the subject, published in a reputable journal.

            Otherwise, I'll leave you to your YouTube vloggers and broscience.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >If you believe that the levels of phytoestrogens found in any typical foods are harmful to a human

              >literally ignores that USA substitutes onions in literally every single thing meaning that we are way outside the area of moderation
              >ignores that onions is the leading export of USA and that usa is the leading exporter of all foods in the world and no other country even comes close to our exports

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >non-retracted, peer reviewed article on the subject, published in a reputable journal.
              Where have you been the last few years? Nature was caught red handed through foia requests colluding with government and big pharma in order to push literal misinformation on the origins of covid while forcing retractions of valid science that doesnt support the narrative.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >typical asian diet
          You will have moderate effects at those levels, but you probably won't grow tits at least not for a very long time of constant consumption. The typical east asian diet has less exposure to soi than the western diet due to its use in manufactured foods. Additionally, the prevalence of vegans in the west mean they are greatly exposed to soi isoflavones at levels previously unheard of. The söy institute wont pump people with that much in their studies. Why? Because Mark Messina already admitted those high levels lead to feminization and it would be unethical to run such a study.

          Meanwhile dairy is consumed in extreme amounts across the west and nothing links it to feminization issues. Which makes sense given the minute amounts compared to soi estrogens, which again contain the highest amount by an extreme degree.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >dairy is consumed in extreme amounts across the west and nothing links it to feminization issues
            In fact the opposite.
            Regularly milk intake has always been linked to masculinity. Milk intake has been on the drop in USA for decades and has only hurt the population.

            Once again just because two things have estradiol or estradiol-like substitutes doesn't mean the body treats them the same.
            You can ingest estrogens from milk all day and the body just recognizes them as such. Discards them soon after.
            Meanwhile regular onions intake greatly increases the chance of the plant estradiol binding to your receptor.
            Ketchup is a good example.
            American mutt eats hamburger, hamburger has ketchup on it, ketchup has onions in it.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      (samepost)

      If you guys are worried about hormone disruptors, you should worry less about onions, and more about:

      - Alcohol
      - Recreational drugs
      - Alcohol
      - Microplastics seeping into our food supply and water
      - Alcohol
      - Obesity
      - Alcohol
      - Weird growth hormones such as bovinesomatatropin which is banned in Europe but still widespread and in-use in the USA.

      The weirdoes clutching their pearls about some fucking beans, are not scientifically literate. They're sharing the same bullshit they heard from some grifters online who make a living selling "masculinity" as an e-book/vlog/supplement brand. Hence why they obsess over tofu & onions, but say nothing about substances which actually do disrupt your hormones (such as alcohol and microplastics).

      Obesity and alcohol consumption are your main concerns, microplastics you can't do much about aside from voting. Basedbeans are not going to turn you into a woman you fucking unstable loony cranks.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Talks shit about people being illiterate to science
        >is illiterate to science
        Pottery

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >meat & dairy contain actual estrogen right?
      You're a moron.
      All foods have estrogen in them or estrogen binding-estadiols synthetic or otherwise.
      The meat and dairy estrogen is very similar to human estrogen and therefore does nothing in the human body when ingested in moderation.
      Onion based phytoestrogens stimulates breast tissue growth more than natural estrogens.
      Marijuana does also.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The human hormone does nothing to a human.
        >The xenohormone will turn you into a woman.

        Clearly I'm talking to an expert of human biology here.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'm not sure what you're not understanding.
          Estadiols are not 1:1 ratios for stimulation Anon.
          It has been proven that pomegranate reduces gynecomastia. Because the phytoestrogen in pomegranate is near identical to human estrogen. Once bound to the estrogen receptor it does nothing.
          Meanwhile Basedabeans have been proven to enlarge breast tissue. Because while it can bind to estrogen receptors it does not interact like normal estrogen in any way once it is in the human body.

          Did you seriously think that just because the body can metabolize estradiols means that estradiols still do not circulate and bind to estrogen receptors? Like c'mon kid this is day one shit.
          You have a specific amount of estrogen receptors no matter your body fat, no matter your health, no matter your lifestyle. This is genetically determined and if you ingest estradiols that stimulate those receptors you will feminize.
          If you ingest estradiols that do not stimulate those receptors, but still bind to those receptors. You will not feminize.

          Where did I lose you kid?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You lost me on the part where you posted literally any evidence of your claims of how phytoestrogen affects the human body.

            You're pulling shit out of your ass, and your views are shaped by IST and some youtube videos made by grifters who misinterpret low tier papers published by Chinese papermills in junk research journals.

            The condescending prose is a nice gambit, it usually works on IST. But unfortunately I'm gonna keep requesting a source which is checkmate for this level of broscience.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              So you have zero arguments.
              just say that next time instead of screeching like a woman.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                My argument is that there is no evidence for your claims, and that the burden of evidence is on you to prove otherwise.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >burden of evidence is on me
                No it's not.
                I'm completely content with my knowledge, you're the one crying on a mongolian forum.
                If you want to disprove my point, fucking disprove it.

                You sound like a fucking woman, you get that right? You want everyone to do the work for you and refuse to actually research it yourself.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >tfw to intelegernt to win an argument

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >no argument
                i'm still waiting.
                We have proof that pomegranate juice reduces breast tissue.
                We have proof that onions increases breast tissue.
                You are now required to provide a counter to this by providing citations.
                If you can't you have no argument.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >We have proof that pomegranate juice reduces breast tissue.
                Post it.
                >We have proof that onions increases breast tissue
                Post it.

                And while you're at it, list every single chemical in an onion.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >coping this hard
                Anon I asked you for proof that Onions does not promote breast tissue.
                I also asked for proof that Pomegranate does not reduce breast tissue.

                Since Pomegranate is used to treat gynecomastia and persons who ingest onions have more breast tissue on average. I think it's pretty clear you have a long road ahead of you proving either statement as false.
                Good luck though.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Pomegranate is used to treat gynecomastia
                I treated ur mum's back pain with me cock last nite 😉

                Eat ur veggies son, im ur daddy now

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >dude who spends all day grazing like a cow
                >being called daddy
                is this like a chud admitting they will never be a woman lol

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I was grazing on ur mum's grass last nite 😉

                Ur sister's a chud

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >bpa doesn't have a structure like estradiol
    >triggers estrogenic effects
    >coumesterol (phyto estrogen) has a similar structure
    Yeah bro I'm sure it doesn't act like estrogen at all.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      what do you mean?

      "Onions is bad cuz uhhhhhh PHYTOESTROGEN"

      You guys know that meat & dairy contain actual estrogen right? Like you're worried about phytoestrogens behaving like estrogen while consuimg actual estrogen which is estrogen...

      https://ascopubs.org/doi/abs/10.1200/jco.2010.28.15_suppl.1553
      https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-does-dairy-affect-your-hormone-levels/#:~:text=All%20milk%20(whether%20from%20cows,milk%20than%20in%20skim%20milk.

      inb4 anti-vegan spam, I eat a balanced diet of veggies, meat, and sometimes onions/tofu because I'm not a terminally online knuckledragger who believes broscience and twitter idiots.

      meat has a tiny amount compared to tofu fag

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Drink pomegranate juice.
    polyphenol in it binds to estrogen receptors, has no stimulation.
    Prevents binding of S-O-Y and other various binding sources that do stimulate.

    SERMs is the term.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's a cope. Soi isoflavones are used in HRT for post menopausal women. 300-400 mg of isoflavones per day is known to cause feminization in men, including such ailments as hypogonadism and gynecomastia. This can be anywhere from a couple liters of soi milk to 2 scoops of soi protein daily. It's already established that isoflavone consumption as low as 50 mg per day is enough to lengthen menstrual cycles in women. A French study examined the effects of soi on their population and determined it was an endocrine disruptor that needs more caution and regulation. Soi isoflavones have also been known to feminize other animals, altering the physiology of catfish, and changing behaviors in monkeys to become more like redditors (increased submissive behavior by 3x, increased aggression, more time spent alone). Soi also has the highest isoflavone content of any food by a large margin. Other nuts and seeds dont even come close. And the amount of estrogen in things like dairy products have literally thousands of times less than soi. You would have to drink approximately 14,000 glasses of cow milk to get the same amount of estrogen as 1 glass of soi milk.

    Vegans repeat the shit they hear on their propaganda outlets. It's also why almost each study they point to is conducted by Mark Messina on behalf of his söy nutrition institute. Simply put, avoid most soi products. Soi sauce is fermented and the isoflavones are reduced to a negligible amount so it's fine to use. You would have to drink dozens of liters of that stuff to get the same amount as a single glass of soi milk.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Mark Messina on behalf of his söy nutrition institute.
      or backed by big crop don't forget that.
      Onions is literally a multi billion dollar profit for USA and was one of the only things not hit by inflation in the last year or two.
      In fact US onions sales went up 7% in 2021. one of the only markets to not be touched by shutdown.

      Coincidence? I think not.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >or backed by big crop
        Messina is big soi. He consults for the soi industry and produces these studies to shill harder for soi. Hes managed to convince people it's safe, which in low amounts it is. But partly because of him people have started to look at soi as some sort of health food which it is not. I wouldnt be surprised if the soi lobby had something to do with the constant push for veganism.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I wouldnt be surprised if the soi lobby had something to do with the constant push for veganism.
          i mean one in the same.
          i'd argue that it's really about keeping US dominance in an ever growing market.

          USA is really two parts.
          1. desert wasteland of some sort.
          2. wetland of some sort.
          A few decades ago they found that corn grows perfectly fine in the desert wasteland portion and that's why they started spreading to mid-west with corn crops. Because our corn has been engineered to be drought resistant.
          What they found though is that same corn no longer grows well in the wetlands.
          The American South effectively has a monsoon season. The majority of TNs rain for instance comes in the spring time. It rains for weeks on end.
          Guess what grows extremely well in wetlands?
          So Onions became the new thing and corn crops started slowly being rotated with it. Now it's the dominate crop in the american wetlands.
          It was just about selling more and just like how we subsidize corn in everything from grease to ethanol. The excess onions crop has to be subsidized also.

          It's a double edged sword really.
          Because with it comes the harm it does to us westerners.
          However there is no way to maintain dominance in the world without it.
          Like I said USA is literally leading exporter of all foods and most countries could not export anything without us.
          Take a look at China, they get a large portion of their food imports from USA directly or from a country that imports from USA (indirectly).
          China is like a little baby crying all the time, they act big and tough, but we could cripple their entire population in a few months by cutting them off.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >USA is two parts
            >desert
            >wetland
            The USA contains nearly every biome in the world and contains the single largest swathe of arable land in the entire world along the Mississippi river. The entire east coast is neither wetland nor desert, along with the pacific northwest, Alaska, hawaii, the great plains, and the midwest. Your desert and wetlands exist only in the southwest and the southeast respectively. Your entire premise is flawed.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Keto is a 15 billion dollar industry spearheaded by Nestle. The youtubers that do that are all multimillionaires from seminars and consultation services, along with supplement sponsorships.
        >big crop
        Okay then mention
        >big meat
        >big dairy
        >big coffee
        >big water
        >big diet gurus
        You dishonest shill

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Keto is a 15 billion dollar industry
          Yeah, but Keto isn't causing people to develop breast tissue in puberty and keto literally encompasses thousands of different products.
          As does meat, coffee, and just about anything.

          Onions is counted as in onions exports, pure basedbean.
          For one product that is absurd and you're coping hardcore.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Most onions is fed to livestock. If anything the onions farmers would want you to eat more meat not less.

        >https://www.usda.gov/sites/default/files/documents/coexistence-basedbeans-factsheet.pdf
        >Just over 70 percent of the basedbeans grown in the United States are used for animal feed, with poultry being the number one livestock sector consuming basedbeans, followed by hogs, dairy, beef and aquaculture.

        >https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/basedbeans
        > 70-75% of the world’s onions ends up as feed for chickens, pigs, cows, and farmed fish.

        https://www.worldwildlife.org/industries/onions
        >Basedbean meal is widely used as animal feed, so we humans consume much of it indirectly via our meat and dairy.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This reads very well, I choose to believe you

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This reads very well, I choose to believe you

      >typical asian diet
      You will have moderate effects at those levels, but you probably won't grow tits at least not for a very long time of constant consumption. The typical east asian diet has less exposure to soi than the western diet due to its use in manufactured foods. Additionally, the prevalence of vegans in the west mean they are greatly exposed to soi isoflavones at levels previously unheard of. The söy institute wont pump people with that much in their studies. Why? Because Mark Messina already admitted those high levels lead to feminization and it would be unethical to run such a study.

      Meanwhile dairy is consumed in extreme amounts across the west and nothing links it to feminization issues. Which makes sense given the minute amounts compared to soi estrogens, which again contain the highest amount by an extreme degree.

      >dairy is consumed in extreme amounts across the west and nothing links it to feminization issues
      In fact the opposite.
      Regularly milk intake has always been linked to masculinity. Milk intake has been on the drop in USA for decades and has only hurt the population.

      Once again just because two things have estradiol or estradiol-like substitutes doesn't mean the body treats them the same.
      You can ingest estrogens from milk all day and the body just recognizes them as such. Discards them soon after.
      Meanwhile regular onions intake greatly increases the chance of the plant estradiol binding to your receptor.
      Ketchup is a good example.
      American mutt eats hamburger, hamburger has ketchup on it, ketchup has onions in it.

      >or backed by big crop
      Messina is big soi. He consults for the soi industry and produces these studies to shill harder for soi. Hes managed to convince people it's safe, which in low amounts it is. But partly because of him people have started to look at soi as some sort of health food which it is not. I wouldnt be surprised if the soi lobby had something to do with the constant push for veganism.

      >There would be a pandemic of literal trannies everywhere if it actually had a feminizing effect.
      Yeah, it's not like men's testosterone is dropping 1% per year in the western world.
      It's not like there's been an epidemics of transexuals and issues surrounding them have become hot button topics despite them being virtually unheard-of 10 years ago.
      If either of those things were happening, we would have reason to be concerned.

      I'm still waiting for a source. This isn't how you do science kids, you came up with a hypothesis on how you think phytoestrogens affect the human body, but have no evidence to back your idea. On the contrary, there is a large body of evidence showing significant health benefits of phytoestrogen rich foods.

      If you are wilfully shoving your head in the ground and repeating your guesses on how you think it probably works (as most of the phytoestrogen-tinfoil-hat people are), then it's low grade broscience.

      The truth is you've been fooled by right-wing grifters online selling masculinity vlogs.

      >luv me beer
      >luv me BST laden milk
      >luv me microplastics
      >'ate veggies
      >simple as
      - t. Brainlet

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Theres dozens of studies. Posted over and over again. On my phone. If I post all the studies you shills stop replying to kill the thread and start threads again which leads me to believe you're getting paid

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know about onions but phytoestrogens are a midwit filter because they see the word "estrogen" and assume it gives you tits. What it actually does is bind the waste estrogen that's in your gut to itself and then you excrete it. Phytoestrogens by itself do not raise your estrogen. The best they can claim is that they're not all equal, which is sort of true as isoflavones are pretty much considered good for you while other ones are more obtuse. That's the biggest olive branch I can give.

    It does nothing but beneficial stuff for both male and females. All studies show either no change in estrogen or lowered estrogen. The midwit sees "estrogen" then concocts an entire fantasy that eating a carrot will give you tits.

    Now que the ketolard desperately googling for the one indian study that has to be out there that says a carrot will kill you from estrogen toxicity even though every single other one says the opposite.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      No bro you misunderstood the broscience.

      Phytoestrogens are like estrogen, because they have the word "estrogen" in them and organic chemistry is for nerds so there's no reason to read any further. But because they come from yucky vegetables and I don't like vegans, they're worse because your body can't get rid of the toxic vegan chemical.

      This means that they turn you into a girl twice as fast as regular estrogen (which has no effect because milk is based, 4chan told me so and vegans hate it so it's good)

      tl;dr NO MOM I WON'T EAT THE YUCKY VEGETABLES! I WANT WHISKEY AND MICROPLASTICS TO OWN THE LIBS

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This.

      Phytoestrogens are a dipshit-barrometer. They've been widely studied, and the scientific consensus is that they're generally good for you.

      Literally raw-meat diet tier broscience.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >humans use to eat meat, dairy, roots, berries in excess and never had an obesity problem
        >NOOO THE VEGETABLE SLOP™ ISN'T THE PROBLEM
        your post aged poorly in the few seconds since you posted it.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Humans used to eat more meat
          U wot m8?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Anon what the fuck are you talking about? Humans eat more meat than ever

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/FGHKLuR.png

            >Humans used to eat more meat
            U wot m8?

            >bro check out this graph of less than a hundred years and compare it to the entirety of human history
            do you think humans were created in the year 1960?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Anon I didn't realise we started studying sperm counts over a hundred years ago.

              Are we shifting the goalposts now?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Your entire argument is that humans ate less meat thousands of years ago. When we know that isn't true they ate more.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ate ur mum's pussy last nite, she's been gobbling my meat since long b4 u were born 😉

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >we know the humans ate more meat
                >deboooonked

                Watch ketolard pull out the same timesofisrael article he's been using for 2+ fucking years at this point

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >shills for israel veganslop
                >noooo you're the anti-goy
                your post aged horribly.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It makes since to me.

    >intake exogenous T, produce more natural E
    >intake exogenous E, produce more natural T

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    not all vegans eat onions. most onions is gmo

    NEXT

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >not all vegans eat soi
      When I was retarded enough to be vegan I didnt because I already knew about soi. It was incredibly difficult to get all my nutrients in a day through food alone. Took me 6 months to realize how bad it was. Vegans on just protein consumption can not get enough. Additionally their bodies tell them to eat proper food, but their will overrides it. To cope they create frankenfoods and eat that, most of them made from soi. In recent years pea and bean cakes have been produce by companies such as beyond meat, but the market is still mostly soi.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    how about milk and dairy? Its literally filled with estrogen. mantits? gyno? its the milk.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The highest concentration of estrogens in dairy is in butter. In equal amounts, soi milk has 785x as much estrogen as butter, and 14,000x more estrogen than cow milk.

      You should also know testosterone is typically synthesized from phytosterols

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    here's the thing, literally every culture that consumes soi traditionally have always fermented them one way or another, whether it's tempeh, natto, soi sauce or other things that i don't know about, which have lower amounts of isoflavones than regular soi so they must be doing something right. on the other hand, western soi products like tvp fake meat slop, soi flour, soi oil, soislop like huel and soilent are high in isoflavones and you only have to see with your own eyes the people who regularly consume these slops, even actual non virtue signalling vegans stay away from those things and don't actually make soi their main source of proteins.
    >inb4 milk and estradiol
    ray peat has said some weird schizobabble over the years like CO2 making a blind dog who lost its eye grow it back or talking to cats, but one of the things that i fully trust him is the estrogen issue since he himself has a PhD in endocrinology and he still drinks a copious amounts of milk since his early days despite the estradiol

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Verification not required.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      and that is why i love carnivore/keto

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If there was ever a thread to show why you shouldn’t listen to a single fucking person on this board, this is it. Literally every post is broscience backed by posters feeling

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If I'm still up later I'll go ahead and post all the studies and data. The french study on soi consumption, the many cases of isoflavone consumption leading to feminization across the world, the admission of Messina acknowledging high amounts (normal amounts for vegans) leading to feminization, the behavioral and physical changes in animals, the isoflavone content of various foods (hint: one type of bean has thousands of times more isoflavones than the next type of bean), and so on. I hold a significant distaste for vegans and söyfags, that they constantly shill for destructive practices that hurt everyone because they're cultists, so even though I am reluctant to continuously post this information and spoon feed it to everyone, I rest a little better if just one person learns the truth about soi. The real truth, that some soi food is ok, but that in extreme amounts (which is a normal amount for vegans) you end up with permanent conditions and and destructive changes in your mind and body. It disgusts me that these shills still push for this, and so I feel a moral obligation to inform my dear frens on IST, no matter how gay or DYEL they are.

    WAGMI

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I am willing to hear you out but I think your condescending attitude is a cover up for you not really being able to prove your assertions.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I put together some of the stuff I had.
        >French study determining soi is an endocrine disruptor
        >cases of males suffering from feminization as a result of excessive soi consumption
        >behavioral changes in monkeys
        >successful use of soi in lieu of HRT
        >clinical soi isoflavone product for estrogen replacement
        >isoflavone content of soi foods, for reference, from the USDA
        >list of foods with the highest isoflavone content, notice soi tops the entire list
        >harvard medical - soi reduces sperm health

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I am willing to hear you out but I think your condescending attitude is a cover up for you not really being able to prove your assertions.

          What I really like is how a common food like peanuts have so little isoflavones compared to soi. Soi beans have 493 times more isoflavones than peanuts. If you consumed 1 cup of soi beans, you would need to consume 493 cups of peanuts to achieve the same amount of estrogen consumption. That is how drastic the difference is between soi and other foods.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Here's the math, I misremembered before. Soi milk contains on average 11,000 times more estrogen than cow's milk. We've already established soi isoflavones are endocrine disruptors so yes, these are real estrogens with real numbers.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            absolutely terrifying.
            there is a reason women with PCOS are told to eat edamame.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              It's still not that bad if you only eat a little bit. Like I said before, there are "safe" levels where probably nothing significant happens. But soi has such extreme levels compared to literally anything else (picrel) you *really* need to limit consumption. I estimate personally up to 30-50g per day (dependent on bodyweight) should be *relatively* safe, but that's a MAXIMUM. And as you can see from the iso content of different soi foods in my post it is very very easy to hit that in a day if you regularly consume anything other than a few certain products (such as miso soup and soi sauce). If you try to replace all of your protein sources with soi, just look how quickly you can exceed that limit and enter dangerous levels in the 300-400mg range. If you're a vegan lifter taking in 1 (30g) scoop of soi protein and adding soi milk to it, you're already at an average of over 100mg of isoflavones for the day, and that's JUST your protein supplement, there's still several meals and maybe even snacks to include in your day.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I knew there was something up with it though when my wife who has PCOS was told to eat edamame for her disease.

                Look you guys can shill all you want one way or another. I am telling you a real world experience.
                My wife would have periods once every 4-5 months. Since she has switched to eating one portion of edamame nightly she has had her period every single month for over 2 years.
                It's not debatable, onions has enough estrogen in it to cause menstruation.
                Do with that what you will.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            progesterone is actually good for you at that dose

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Phytoestrogens are what's known as a receptor antagonist. When you ingest something that binds to receptors but doesn't have the proper effect, the body compensates by creating more of the molecule it expectes.
    The best example is caffeine. Caffeine is the antagonist to adenosine, which makes you sleepy and dilates some arteries that go to your brain. In response, the body compensates by creating more and more adenosine, which then floats around your bloodstream. So if you quit coffee cold turkey with all that adenosine in your blood, you'll feel very tired and you might get a headache from the increased blood flow to your brain.
    Consuming phytoestrogens WILL cause your body to compensate by creating more estrogen.

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    And so we have reached the part of the thread where the soifags and cultists have left with their tails between their legs, waiting another several hours until they once again make yet another thread to shill for the soi lobby. Until next time.

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