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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    He killed millions...

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It was actually 6 billions

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The proof is right there
    However no one on this board has the willpower to do it

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I started it two months ago but it's too early to tell.
      I'm consistently feeling sore if I can hit the intensity right though, so maybe there's something to it.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The proof is right there
        However no one on this board has the willpower to do it

        following what genetic top 0.001% do is moronic

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Manlet w a ego. Arnold cucked him and he talks about that one moment like he did shit. Better off listening to jocko lmao

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Heres Mentzer at 19 when he followed high volume. Now you tell me if it was the HIT or the genetics that built his mass. Similar story for Yates.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      there's a bunch of people who've built impressive physiques with any routine

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Iirc he didn't follow "high volume" as he later described it
      He had a bar & plates set at home, then once he exhausted that started training olympic and powerlifting with a group of adults his dad asked to take him
      What he later railed against was how Weider and Arnold (who was also a powerlifter in his youth and built most of his muscle then, before coming to america) were telling kids they had to do like 80 sets a workout six days a week. Mentzer didn't do that growing up to build his muscle.
      His logic was sound and perfectly reasonable - put a stress on your muscles with the minimum of volume, rest plenty and grow. If you find you aren't growing then sure add more volume.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Now you tell me if it was the HIT or the genetics that built his mass.
      the roids.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      no, roiders will seethe and claim he is tho, then inject their daily needle that they NEED to grow

      this post pretty much disproves that he himself is an example of his own methods

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >666
        Nice try

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >no forearm
      >no chest
      >no lats
      >no quads
      yep, the frame is genetics. The size is HIT.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Similar story for Yates
      yates did moderate volume from the start, he did less volume than the average person at the gym

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      how much of an asshat do you have to be to willfully deceive so many who look to you for advice?
      guy was a sociopath

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        pro bodybuilders dont deceive people on purpose, the hormones just skew their perception so much that they turn moronic

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          skew their perception in terms of physique*, not in general, but that also happens

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    what did he say?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      High intensity till failure does more for muscle than high volume
      I think hes right
      His analogy of endurance runners, they have a high volume yet their legs arent the biggest and strongest

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        interesting, this stuff maybe could apply to my home 30kg dumbbells-barbell thing

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          You can work up to 5x40 with a slow eccentric and still get a training effect. It just won’t be as effective as increasing weight.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        thats absurd, their legs are small because they are constantly catabolic and because their "training" doesn't count as "high volume"

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          How do you avoid the catabolic stuff?
          I like running and walking a lot
          RDL, pushups, and shoulder press are my favorite

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            by not jogging for 5 hours

            anything where you don't move for over 3 hours and burn a frickton of calories is fine

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yes but people use the gym as a hobby and can't handle training so infrequently.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    He's absolutely right. Even periodizers use intensity to build muscle. Where Mentzer would have you bench once every two weeks they would have you actually bench hard once every two weeks as well.
    He's also wrong to call volume useless though. It adds size and strength too, just not in the form of muscle fiber. Roidgays don't need the sarco gains as much as we do though.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Mentzer is only controversial with the HIT stuff because most roidtrannies don't want to admit that "Do 20 minutes of work to provoke a response and then get out of the drugs' way, just let the chemicals do their thing man" is in fact a perfectly viable, if not optimal, way for them to develop mass. To explain HIT to a roidtroony is to put a spotlight on the fact that most of the "hard work" they hang their hat on as a core part of their identity is basically just egolifting as a hobby.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Have you tried it? I'm natty and it brought me to 24ffmi.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >24ffmi
        No you aren’t. Post body

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Not anymore I'm not. That shit was difficult and I can't bring myself to do it again.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Still surprised they do all of that volume then snap the shit out of their tendons with preacher curls and heavy lifts

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    yep
    the only people who disagree with him are gymcels who need to lift 10x a week because they have nothing else to fill the void, or weak pussies who don't like the feeling of pushing a set above RPE 6
    >training hard is bad because.... uhh....
    >well it just is, okay??
    >ensuring full recovery between sessions to guarantee identifiable progress in performance is bad because....
    >frick you, i just want to go to the gym, okay???
    mentzer was correct, for volume and feequency, start low and work up until you find what works for you, with the baseline for intensity being to lift as close as safely possible to complete mechanical failure
    otherwise, go do 5lb dumbbell curls for 10 hours a day and enjoy making nogainz
    people don't even argue against his general concepts, they just argue about the fact that he said "one set is all you need", as a response to dogmatic volume zealot shills who insulted him for promoting a system of training that was less profitable for pharma and supplement companies

    train smart, recover hard, and enjoy actually getting better at something for once in your pathetic failure of a life
    >efficiency is bad because i'm mentally ill
    grow the frick up

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      based. I used to workout as often as possible as long as I could and made zero gains past my noob gains. Finally starting to progress now that I'm spending about 2hrs/wk in the gym.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        What is your training plan?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Chest/Tris:
          Pec Deck
          Incline Press
          French Press
          Dips

          Back/Bi:
          Underhand Pulldown
          Chest Supported Row
          Shrugs / Rack Pull (alternate)
          Barbell Curl

          Shoulders:
          Machine Press
          Machine Lateral Raise
          Rear Delt Fly

          Legs:
          Leg Extension
          Squat / Leg Press (alternate)
          Calves

          Everything one set to failure. Two rest days between every workout.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I should've said I usually only rest two days between back/bi and shoulders, and two days rest between legs and chest/tri. For the other days just one day of rest between.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      > RPE 6
      RPE isn’t real. Mentzer himself says there’s only two absolute measures of intensity. 0 and 100 percent.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Bros where can I read more about Mentzer's descent into madness fueled by steroids and meth?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Well it's complicated, on one hand the logic behind it is sound but due to injury risk I'll say that this kind of training should solely applied by advanced lifters.

      There is an article floating around concerning his meth and boipussy addiction

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        meant for

        https://i.imgur.com/Y4S82O2.jpg

        Bros where can I read more about Mentzer's descent into madness fueled by steroids and meth?

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I'm kinda mad I discovered HIT quite late in my lifting career when I was already somewhat old and accumulated injuries from high volume trainings, even though I was getting certain signals from my body low volume might be overall more efficient, for example I was often progressing at a very decent rate in an exercise I was doing once a week and just for fun.
    Some people have built upon it many years ago, like DoggCrapp - shame these methods are being overlooked for some reason, but I won't be surprised if HIT will become a new paradigm in a couple of years.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    consistency>nutrition>rest>genetics>training style

    Source: hundreds of people who have achieved similar results with different training styles

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      genetics>roids>anything else

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    When you're on gear I'm not sure it matters what routine you do as long as you do something.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >gear + no training > training + no gear
      It's not fair bros. Still, I will never inject that garbage.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        it is fair seeing how they irreversibly frick up their health and become dependent on it

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It's also not true lol.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          it is true though
          reason why they never get off that stuff until they quit making any gains and shrink away into a normal size

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            How do they quit making any gains if steroids give you gains without training?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              by quitting steroids moron

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You said they don't quit steroids until they stop making gains.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This probably depends a lot on age. Injecting and not training is fricking moronic.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      it is true though
      reason why they never get off that stuff until they quit making any gains and shrink away into a normal size

      >ITT: Natties believing facebook mom tales
      The reason that study shows test alone being better for "muscle mass" because super physiological test doses cause large amounts of glycogen retention in the muscles - this causes them to grow, but it isn't muscle mass. It's basically energy to be used. Nevertheless training is required so this conversation shouldn't be had to begin with - none of us are potentially shortening our lives so we can have momentary glycogen retention with no actual gains, and all the sides that come with steroid blasts

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        ^moron that parrots around fraudgay cope

        for starters, dumb Black person, it's not just "that study" showing significant muscle growth with just testosterone administration there's multiple now showing the same thing
        secondly, we already know that muscle thickness or CSA changes with testosterone aren't due to some magical water retention inside the muscle that isn't related to just myofibrillar hypertrophy, a bigger muscle will always have more glycogen and we have studies that use extra cellular waterweight measuring techniques that show almost no water retention unrelated to actual muscle growth with pharma grade testosterone administration
        thirdly, there are significant strength gains in that one study you are referring to which can't be explained with water retention, at some point actual contractile tissue has to be gained for strength to go up in an untrained subject
        fourthly, training is not required to build muscle you just have to live and be in an anabolic environment, reason why males grow muscle just by going through puberty and maintain it because of the higher load of androgens coursing through their bodies 24/7
        >muh sides
        no one fricking cares

        You said they don't quit steroids until they stop making gains.

        I said steroid abusers quit roids when they decide to quit making gains because they will never be nearly as big as they were while on stuff

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    His principles are right, yes. People misinterpret them, partially because he was a dogmatic butthole about it, and partially because they're too lazy to just read. But if he wasn't shouting like a zealot, nobody would have heard him over the drone of the Weider advertising machine. So I guess it kind of washes out.
    My application of the principles has basically come out like this:
    >every rep is four seconds up and down, one second at top and bottom
    >one set to total concentric failure, which means I keep grinding until the weight stops and goes back down during the concentric
    >immediately do forced reps until I can't maintain tempo on the way down
    >lifts where forcing reps isn't practical get either a top set and back off set or a rest-pause, depending on the lift
    >train each muscle group once per week (recovery and scheduling is limited because of work travel, Muay Thai classes, and running)
    I'm enjoying it, and I'm getting stronger every session. I'm cutting though, so I can't say much about muscle growth yet. Gotta lose like another thirty pounds. I'll probably still be posting on fit by the time I've gained weight while training this way, so I'll take pictures as I go.

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Short answer: yes and no

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No Arnold mogged him even in 1980

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      no he didnt

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Ok, show them standing next to each other in the same photo.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          cant because Arnold sat down scared once Mentzer rushed towards him

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Arnold was bigger and taller than Mentzer, for those of you who didn’t know.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Arnold blows mentzer out of the water

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >judging training methods by comparing pro bodybuilders who may or may have not used them
          on their level it's all about drugs and genetics you mongoloids, training hardly plays any role at all

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/akafeqd.jpg

        Arnold blows mentzer out of the water

        Alright, so now we have one photo where Arnold is in the background, and another one where Mentzer is in the background. Now we just need one where neither one is in the background.

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I’ve been doing his pre fatigue super sets for back and chest, it made them more sore than I’ve ever been before. Gave me a crazy pump. I think some of his methods are worth using but I wouldn’t follow everything he says to a t. His workouts he used in the late 70s seem pretty good, worth looking into.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Ive heard that pump and soreness arent correlated with growth(you can get sick pump doing a ton of volume, wont make you much bigger tho)
      still would be interesting to see someone train natty 100% Mentzers way and posting results

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        they're correlated of course, just not at 100%. if you always get sore in your adductors when squatting, it means you've loaded them heavily and that they're gonna grow a lot. or if you always feel pulldowns in your biceps, etc.
        on the other hand, you can get barely any soreness and still grow.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >sore
          no, if youve lifted for a long time you know this is false, if you train frequently your body becomes adapt at repairing a particular muscle group without pain
          Easy example: 1st time you squat you will be sore, next time not so much and soon you will have no soreness, yet the growth will continue. if you had soreness doing an exercise that you frequently perform you might have a form breakdown - for example when you squat and your form breaks down your hips/back will be sore, this is bad and dangerous.
          If you dont frick around and follow an actual program, I think you should have no soreness. ofc it depends on your program, but why would you program for soreness, thats moronic

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            did you even read my comment or just respond to the word sore?

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, amphetamines are the best pre workout.

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I wonder if he was a top or bottom? I could imagine him topping twinks ar his peak but apparently at the end there he was a meth-head dyel so who knows.

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >make up your own principles for hypertrophy and exercise science
    >claim any information that disagrees with you stems from corruption
    >profit
    HITcels are an interesting bunch

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      to be fair, there's an immense amount of corruption in pretty much any field.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's easier on the ego to believe in magical secret weapon alternative method than it is to believe that your genetics or lack of real effort are your failings. They'll bounce around programs and fad diets their whole lives instead of actually really attempting and sticking to what has worked for everyone else for so long.

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    didn't he do steroids and meth???

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Not sure who this guy is but he sounds like a super soldier

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    He was absolutely right about Arnold and I think most people realise it now after seeing what a cuck and piece of shit the guy is. He was a bit too dogmatic about training, although he did move training a bit in the right direction when it was obsessed with super high volume at the time. The way people train today is much closer to Mentzer's philosophy, people even avoid stretching now because it increases injury risk, which Mentzer knew decades ago.

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    threadly reminder he developed his physique through 10+ years of steroids and high volume training for hours every day. it was only much later in his career that he decided to switch things up and sell books on high intensity training. in reality the best programming for a natty is a balance between the two extremes people push. don't go all out high volume every day like a roider and don't do frick all like lazy c**ts and mentzer shills. work the muscles with compounds movements and a couple isolations close to failure 3-4 times a week and get adequate rest. it's that simple.

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Extreme volume tards are morons who get injured and overworked all the time and always have to back down.
    Hit jedi are cultist who never progress because just working to death a muscle then doing nothing for too much time kills their adaptation or growth.

    Solution: Do the minimum volume (hard sets) you can (genetics play a large role in this) to keep progress and growth.

    Some anon in an old thread put a study that 5% of muscle where found in trainees who did 3 set per week per muscle group.
    Same study found 10% of muscle growth in trainees who did 15 sets per week per muscle group.
    So you asume 0 growth for 0 sets per week ,do some nerdy calculations and you get:
    Anything over 14+ sets/week for mucle group is pretty much useless.
    3 sets/week/muscle gets you 50% of you potential gains
    6 sets/week/muscle gets you 75% of you potential gains
    9 sets/week/muscle gets you 90% of you potential gains.

    Knowing this and knowing how your bodyparts, health, etc... reacts to training you proram your workout accordinly and you are pretty much golden.

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    what works for me surprisingly well:
    >fbw 3x a week
    >A-B-C
    >every training set has its own exercises that do not repeat in the week so every exercise is done only once a week
    >only "one" set per exercise meaning a short pause (for 10 breaths) after the first failure, then go to another failure and eventually go for the third failure (depending on the exercise)
    >extra rest day if you don't feel well recovered
    this simple approach being a mixture of dc/mentzer philosophies allowed me to cut the duration of my workouts in half, enabled new gains and let me recover from my tendon problems, I'd recommend anyone who's been lifting for a year or two to give it a shot, I'm really surprised by how well it worked for me

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Very interesting indeed! Could you lay out your workout plan? ie what exercises you do in each workout

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        that would be tricky, because powerlifting injuries made me switch to calisthenics in 2020 and then to weighted calisthenics, now I'm doing a mix of weighted calisthenics + some weights, no squats or diddlies, do you still care to look into my plan?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Sure, go ahead!

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            A
            weighted pullups
            weighted ring dips
            bb front raise
            bulgarian split squat
            hammer curls
            planche progressions
            weighted sit-ups
            reverse wrist curls

            B
            weighted australian pullup
            weighted one arm pushups
            lateral raise
            horse stance
            bb curls
            weighted l-sit
            shrugs
            front elevers

            C
            weighted chinups
            weighted ring pushups
            dumbbell rows
            dumbbell overhead press
            db tricep extensions
            weighted leg raises
            calf raises
            svend press

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You can be on the broest brosplit and still get huge if you're pinning enough

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yes he was right. Been heavy duty training for 6 months. Will never switch back to volume.

  28. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    He said do one set to failure and everyone says yeah do that. But what the HIT drones are not mentioning is that you also do warm up sets. So what he actually meant was to do your last set to failure, not just one set which is to failure. When you do a HIT workout like that, HIT no longer seems as revolutionary as the HIT drones make HIT out to be.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The whole entire idea is just that you need full recovery and a PR to get new muscle instead of just sarcoplasmic gains. So you work up to the hardest set you've ever done and if it goes well you progress. Any set you do after that can not be the hardest set you've ever done and doesnt contribute to myofibrillar hypertrophy.
      When you actually lift and know what the frick you're reading it doesnt sound so crazy because even periodization has you deloading and then overloading to hit pr's from a recovered state.
      There is nothing new under the sun.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        And anyone who knows about periodization, overloading and deloading knows progress is more than about one set or even one workout. Training stress still happens whether you go to failure or not. What the HIT crowd is effectively saying is that 3 sets at 10RM load for 5 reps, for example, will do nothing and not provoke any training stress which is so moronic that I think they may have had a stroke and dropped the bar on their head while doing their HIT failure set. If one workout to failure requires a deloading phase then that is laughable. All you've done is provoked injury while creating little stress.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >What the HIT crowd is effectively saying is that 3 sets at 10RM load for 5 reps, for example, will do nothing
          They're right that it will not cause myofibrillar hypertrophy.
          You would be right to say that what enough volume of it does cause is also very important for strength and size.
          And I'm right to say that you're gonna go ahead and turn the intensity up all the way at some point this month too, arent you?
          >If one workout to failure requires a deloading phase then
          Then it caused a great amount of mechanical tension. It's really no different then your overload phase when you look at it. Remember it's not the only set. It's what you would call a top set. The big difference being we don't believe in followup sets unless they're an immediate extension of the top set, like rest pause, and even then we only do it to make up for not producing the desired intensity in the top set.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            And anyone who knows about periodization, overloading and deloading knows progress is more than about one set or even one workout. Training stress still happens whether you go to failure or not. What the HIT crowd is effectively saying is that 3 sets at 10RM load for 5 reps, for example, will do nothing and not provoke any training stress which is so moronic that I think they may have had a stroke and dropped the bar on their head while doing their HIT failure set. If one workout to failure requires a deloading phase then that is laughable. All you've done is provoked injury while creating little stress.

            Will you homosexuals stfu about this stuff already, the truth is there is more than one way to skin a cat. Both methods can and will work, just lift and try both if one works more for you then do it and keep doing it until it doesn't.

            Why do you think your way is the ULTIMATE way when both, and many other methods, seem to allow people to make gains anyways??

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              You're not paying attention. I am saying that HIT and periodization both work and I am explaining why. One focuses on the volume and the requisite intensity follows if done right and vice versa.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >will not cause any myofibrillar hypertrophy
            Do you have any proof besides
            >bro look how dense Yates looks bro just trust me

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Because why would it? If you can do the rep 10 times why would your body go all the way as far as to synthesize muscle fiber over you doing it 5 times?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Because you dont need to go to failure to induce hypertrophy and there's no evidence that says otherwise

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                you need stimulus to grow the muscle

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You need 15 sets or more per week to get bigger with volume and it will rarely be the case that muscle fiber is more efficient than sarcoplasm. This is why any good periodized program has sets to failure too.
                When you do as much as you can of something heavy you force your body to make muscle fiber, especially when you get good at it and that many as you can damage so much fiber that you can't push anything near you max again for at least a week.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >You need 15 sets or more per week to get bigger with volume

                bro we gonna need a source, don't send me that mrv shit from israelite isratel

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I would need like 15 submaximal sets. At this point anyway. It's gonna be more and more as you progress until eventually it's not possible to produce the energy to do any more. I guess you could probably progress with 3 sets at 50% though. With your skinny ass.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                15 is not that many. It’s only 5 sets 3 times a week.

                Brad Schoenfeld’s volume recommendations are pretty out there and are based on bad definitions of “muscular failure.” He recommended 30-40 sets per week for some muscles. Any natural who trained anywhere near failure with those recommendations would just get crushed.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >And anyone who knows about periodization, overloading and deloading
          irrelevant for hypertrophy

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      false
      the whole premise is that you don't need to build up any volume apart from one set to failure
      warm up is only necessary if you genuinely need it, but there's no need for some gay shit 5 warm up sets, this shit basically goes against the whole point of HIT
      stop twisting it into a volume training with a different flavor, you obviously refuse to step outside the widely established volume dogma

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        My warm up sets are half the weight of my working set and it’s literally just to warm up a muscle group that’s cold.

  29. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Very much so.

  30. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Everything seems to work as long as you work out consistently, don't ego lift, don't lift outside of a muscles range of motion and eat/sleep/recover well enough.

    Just lift and lift for your goals. Hypertrophy training to gain muscle, power lifting for optimal power lifting gains, etc.
    If you're a natty stop trying to mix and match hypertrophy and strength training as you'll get the worse of both worlds.

  31. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Put weight on bar
    >Do X reps
    >Put more weight on bar
    >Do X reps
    >Put more weight on bar
    >Can't do X reps and fail

    Explain to me how HIT built upon this?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It changed it from a fixed amount of reps to the maximum possible amount and then explored other ways of tension maximizing than just increasing the weight.
      Some argue that the maximum reps were done before fixed sets were popularized, btw.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Some argue that the maximum reps were done before fixed sets were popularized, btw.
        And they would be wrong.

        >What the HIT crowd is effectively saying is that 3 sets at 10RM load for 5 reps, for example, will do nothing
        They're right that it will not cause myofibrillar hypertrophy.
        You would be right to say that what enough volume of it does cause is also very important for strength and size.
        And I'm right to say that you're gonna go ahead and turn the intensity up all the way at some point this month too, arent you?
        >If one workout to failure requires a deloading phase then
        Then it caused a great amount of mechanical tension. It's really no different then your overload phase when you look at it. Remember it's not the only set. It's what you would call a top set. The big difference being we don't believe in followup sets unless they're an immediate extension of the top set, like rest pause, and even then we only do it to make up for not producing the desired intensity in the top set.

        >They're right that it will not cause myofibrillar hypertrophy.
        No, they are wrong, It will.

  32. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    perfect training regime for:
    1. dyels that like to research more than actually workout
    2. roidtrannies that can get their gains doing absolutely anything

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >perfect training regime for
      actually is the perfect regimen for lean natties who understood that when you hit natty limit is worthless to spend so many hours in the gym

      i believe most natties stay so long hours/days in the gym because of the ego, including me. I know that i can maintain my muscle after 10 years of lifting with just training a drew baye workout once a week full body 1 set to failure but i won't do it out of selfishness, i shilled mentzer to my gym bro in february who is chad physique and he just trains once a week now and he mogs 99% of IST but he went through everything, we would train 3 hour leg days in most of 22.

      As far as i go my workouts are now max 1 hour per session but most end up around 35 mins.

      When i reach my bf i desire i will just lift once a week and do like 14k steps on the off days.

      here is the program my friend does at the moment

      Chin Up
      Dip
      Leg Press
      Row (Pronated/Neutral grip)
      Seated Leg Curl
      Abs
      DB Wrist Ex.
      DB Wrist Curl
      Neck Ex.
      Neck Curl

      All one set to failure no warms no nothing, usually takes 15 mins to finish

  33. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Guys it's all roids. I don't suck at lifting. I'm just natty.

  34. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Did he took steroids? If yes then his opinion don't matter it's pointless he grew because he took steroids that's all

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      any training program you use was pioneered by a roider, moron

  35. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Not exactly, as Mentzer built his frame up VERY closely to his final form by doing standard set training and not HIT stuff.
    Not to say HIT is wrong as most people overdo it on volume and aren't nearly as intense in their training as they should be, but it's not the only or best way to train.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      this thread is half full of shit like this which is wrong. I listened to most of his interviews and he said he was spending 3 hours in the gym 6 days a week but did not notice progress. Once he started training with Arthur Jones' philosophy, he made gains again and spent way less time working out.

  36. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Someone help a newbie lurker out, so HIT means High Intensity Training? What does intensity means? High weight? And what do you mean by only one set to failure, you meant for example to curl the highest weighted dumbbell you can until failure?

    • 1 year ago
      sage

      yep

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Intensity is how far you are from failure, failure is when you are either unable to complete another rep, or when, during a rep, you take longer than 3 seconds to lift the weight. If you fail a rep, you must spend at least 3 seconds pushing the weight up to be sure that you’ve hit positive failure. You can’t just feel tired and say that you hit failure without trying for at least 3 seconds to push the weight up.

        So basically, you would take a weight you can perform for about 8-12 reps on bicep curls, then you would keep doing bicep curls until it takes longer than 3 seconds to curl up the weight.

        I see, thanks. If it means that I can rep over 8 then it's time to up the weight? How do you determine when to move up on weight?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I think that Mike defined the point of weight increasing around 14-16 but it's going to depend on the exercise. for example, you probably shouldnt go to 12 on deadlifts.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            8-12 means that any rep number between those is fine. So you would increase the weight when you get to 13 with good form.

            Like the other guy said, it’s usually 8-12 for isolations, but heavy compounds are usually around 5-8. You can also have a wider rep range if you aren’t yet strong enough to increase the weight.

            Thanks.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            in his last book he recommended 3 reps for DL, which is what I do now. It's the perfect amount for me

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          8-12 means that any rep number between those is fine. So you would increase the weight when you get to 13 with good form.

          Like the other guy said, it’s usually 8-12 for isolations, but heavy compounds are usually around 5-8. You can also have a wider rep range if you aren’t yet strong enough to increase the weight.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Intensity is how far you are from failure, failure is when you are either unable to complete another rep, or when, during a rep, you take longer than 3 seconds to lift the weight. If you fail a rep, you must spend at least 3 seconds pushing the weight up to be sure that you’ve hit positive failure. You can’t just feel tired and say that you hit failure without trying for at least 3 seconds to push the weight up.

      So basically, you would take a weight you can perform for about 8-12 reps on bicep curls, then you would keep doing bicep curls until it takes longer than 3 seconds to curl up the weight.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Read High Intensity Training: The Mike Mentzer Way. Easily downloaded on LibGen.

  37. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw meth as a pre-workout is illegal now
    I will never achieve true intensity

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