Was he right bros?

Was he right bros?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    no

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not even remotely

      https://i.imgur.com/JDMeH0d.jpeg

      You can't really go wrong with anything when you're roiding - you can lift/eat whatever and still get big.

      No, because here's what's up with roids. They lower the amount of volume you need to grow and increase the amount you can recover from. Mike and his brother were born with genetics from the heavens so it's very likely that natty he'd only need like 5-6 sets per week per body part. With the roids, 1 set would be enough if his minimum required volume was already so low. Some people just grow regardless of what they do in the gym and with roids added they can basically just go on cruise control and do whatever they want

      His philosophy on stress and adaptation was fine, but his recovery thing was wrong. Training once a fricking week is just too little for anyone, I'd do one to two sets to total failure daily.

      https://i.imgur.com/xI9t1Y4.png

      not sure. As a beginner, 3 x 10 and/or 5 x 5 for full body 2-3 times a week has exploded my gains. If you've already achieved advanced training being required for further gains, maybe once or twice a week with low sets COULD help with PRs.

      How did it go for you when you tried it? Did you get stronger, weaker, or no change? I was thinking about trying it, but now I’m not sure. Everyone on fit seems to think it’s a meme.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I got stronger but not bigger. In fact I got much smaller but my lifts all went up. Strength doesn't really require tons of mechanical tension and metabolites to get better. Building muscle does though

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >posts study showing training to failure is more stimulating but also more fatiguing
      woah

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        quads were bigger with reps in reserve tho i mean maybe you wanna be smaller thats why you like a grifter kek

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not even remotely

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You can't really go wrong with anything when you're roiding - you can lift/eat whatever and still get big.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, because here's what's up with roids. They lower the amount of volume you need to grow and increase the amount you can recover from. Mike and his brother were born with genetics from the heavens so it's very likely that natty he'd only need like 5-6 sets per week per body part. With the roids, 1 set would be enough if his minimum required volume was already so low. Some people just grow regardless of what they do in the gym and with roids added they can basically just go on cruise control and do whatever they want

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not really 1 set. It's 2 warm up sets, pre-exhausting a group with an accessory, a set to failure turned into a pause set then a drop set and then a near-super set with another movment for that group. It's just an absolutely insane stack of movment in very short time. Which will always guarantee some kind of adaptation occurs. A week of rest might not be purely nessisary for the muscles themselves. If there was a way you could do that as a fullbody every 4-5 days without feeling like killing yourself I'm sure he would have.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    His philosophy on stress and adaptation was fine, but his recovery thing was wrong. Training once a fricking week is just too little for anyone, I'd do one to two sets to total failure daily.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's once a month not once a week.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        most metzBlack folk don't lift kek

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They will never ever post body.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    not sure. As a beginner, 3 x 10 and/or 5 x 5 for full body 2-3 times a week has exploded my gains. If you've already achieved advanced training being required for further gains, maybe once or twice a week with low sets COULD help with PRs.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The other HIT thread was like, what, two days ago? This is way too soon. Give me another 12 days and I’ll post a serious response.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just going by all the modern spin-offs of HIT and their varied usage we haven't even begun to discover how right he was.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    didn’t read too soon for another HIIT thread get bingus’d

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I believe so. I read on IST to get good at chin ups I had to do them every day and all that got me was sore elbows. Following Mike's advice of one set once a week I have made the best gains of my life. Its all about recovery and intensity not volume.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Post body

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Someone on fit(?) wrote up a long blogpost about HIT explaining the mechanic behind it accompanied by a bunch of studies and sources, it all sounded very sound in theory but I don't think I've ever seen anybody post results from HIT in any of these threads (not that a lot of people tend to post great results from other methods either, but still)

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've been playing with his one set to failure thing so I have some anecdotal evidence for you, OP.

    Earlier this month I did some strict weighted chin-ups with a 16kg kettlebell hanging from my waist. Each time I continued until I couldn't have done another rep if you'd put a gun to my head.

    First attempt - 9 MAX
    Rest 4 days
    Second attempt - 11 MAX
    Rest 2 days
    Third attempt - 12 MAX

    That's all I have for you, but each time I was able to do more than I was capable of previously, which... is pretty cool.

    He has a point about resting. In some ways, it's tough to force yourself not to work out, as it feels like wasted time, but it's clearly not. As for diminishing returns, I'm going to continue and see what I discover.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that's just how most lifters trained in the earlier part of the 20th century
      mentzer told people to only do 1 set per body part once a week or less which is obviously shit

      however doing 1 set to failure very few days can work well

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think this is at all represents what mentzer "one" set thing was about.
      It would apply more if you did like a warmup.
      Then a set to failure,
      waited 10 seconds squeezed out another rep or two
      Static held on that last rep till your arms gave out.
      Dropped the weight waited another 20 seconds repped out against
      Grapped a band repped out again in band assisted
      Waited 20 seconds
      Picked up a set of dbs and curled or rowed to failure and then drop setted that.
      Now that would be "one" set to failure in the Mentzer book.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, frick that lmao

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There's a reason most mentzer stuff requires a spotter even with machines you're supposed to take to the point couldn't raise your water to take a sip at the end of that shit. He means utter and complete failure to an extent most will never know.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >that would be "one" set to failure in the Mentzer book
        What did Mentzer think about drop sets?
        Why are you qualified to know what a dead man would think when you're completely unfamiliar with his work? You're just blowing smoke out of your ass.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't think this is at all represents what mentzer "one" set thing was about.
          It would apply more if you did like a warmup.
          Then a set to failure,
          waited 10 seconds squeezed out another rep or two
          Static held on that last rep till your arms gave out.
          Dropped the weight waited another 20 seconds repped out against
          Grapped a band repped out again in band assisted
          Waited 20 seconds
          Picked up a set of dbs and curled or rowed to failure and then drop setted that.
          Now that would be "one" set to failure in the Mentzer book.

          https://youtube.com/shorts/v5AboDz7utM?si=rOyekEjCij3nBiww

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    His principles are pretty solid (though they would get some modifications with current research), but implementation is a problem. Most people don't really know how to train with intensity and don't get the whole picture before jumping in. They watch a few tiktok videos about his extreme stuff in his later years, jump on a program with one set of squats every two weeks, train like a fricking fairy, and then wonder why it's not working. They don't even know about how he was defining failure, controlling momentum, determining frequency, etc etc. If they'd just read a bit, they would get a definition of terms, get an understanding of the key points, and learn how to work back from first principles to design their programs. To me, that's the real value of his work: it gets at the core of what lifting is, so it's a great learning experience to apply his principles in designing your own program and making adjustments if it's not effective.
    I tried it myself and got a bit stronger on a cut, but nothing crazy happened. The real benefit for me was that it was extremely time-efficient. Roughly two hours in the gym per week, total. I can definitely see myself training like that in the future if I have a phase of focusing on something else and want to keep weight training minimal.
    If you want a smarter, more clearly-defined approach with the same intensity mindset, I strongly recommend Fortitude Training with every chance I get. You can also go through the old forums and get familiar with DC Training, which is plenty effective.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I love Doggcrapp but I'm actually going from that to more Mentzer styled stuff because I can't really go as hard on Doggcrapp as I want to and the whole pre-fatigue with accessories and supersets instead of going as hard into pause sets might be able to get me closer to that without pre-workout.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I can't really go as hard on Doggcrapp as I want to
        How do you mean? Like you can't target a muscle as precisely? Or you feel like you're walking away with reps in the tank?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          More or less just feel like I'm sliding back on proximity to failure. I'll get those amazingly grindy last reps where you're going as hard as you can but the weight it is barely moving and get that 3 or 4 times. Then on subsequent weeks I'll have maybe one of those (if that) and then fail on the negative or at the bottom of the rep on the after the pause. Where I'm guessing if I switched exercises or deload I could probably get more of those grindy forever reps that I feel are directly related to how productive my workouts are.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ah, I know what you mean now. I have that happen sometimes, too, usually as a lift is about to go stale. I'm not sure what can be done about it.
            How's your tempo and execution over that period? I used to have a consistent pattern with dumbbell bench where my range of motion slowly decreases over the weeks, and/or my rep speed increases. Both of those things make the lift easier, but also reduce my ability to grind out reps. I'll have one final session that CRUSHES my pecs because I've added weight too fast, but I hit fewer reps and have to swap it out. Kind of maddening, to be honest.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I used to try to keep it even tempoed with 3-4 second concentric one second pause then a 3-4 second eccentric but now I just bang out the first 3 or 4 reps and save the good tempo for the middle reps and let the last few decide their own tempo. I definitely work full rom and only dip into partials at the end if I can't get those grindy reps.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He was right about taking more rest days.
    He was wrong about only needing to do one set and his love of carbs.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    no, his training has produced no good physiques in the general population.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes he was absolutely right. You need multiple days of rest if your workouts are intense and effective enough. Here is my workout split: Saturday push and pull (back and chest) however I don't just do a single set. Sunday is shoulders, triceps and biceps, + legs. During the week while I work I rest and make sure I have a very good diet. Each time I workout I am either increasing weight or reps. Resting for two extra days does not diminish gains lmao it just ensures you are fully recovered and thus eliminates the possibility of over training. Anyone who disagrees is an idiot. Quality over quantity.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Will anybody actually go on his program for 6 months and post results?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i haven't been running one of mike's programs specifically, but for the last ~4.5 months i've been doing
      >1-2 workouts per week
      >1 set to failure for every exercise
      >8 exercises per workout
      next time a mentzer thread gets posted ask and i can show my results

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