Was Mike Mentzer right?

Is Mike mentzer’s HIT training style the most optimal for reaching genetic limit the fastest or is traditionel volume training King?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It may be for roiders but I have yet to see a natty apply his methods and get good gains without snapping his shit up.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      He claims in his tapes that his clients (who are not roided) gain incredible muscle super fast from it?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >salesman tries to sell you his product
        Woah...

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Everything works for a while, nothing works for ever. That's why you need to cycle your training volume, intensity, and frequency.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Dead at 50

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    how many times do we have to have this thread? The main takeaway from Mentzer is do your own research and derive your own logical conclusions (he says this in his books)

    HIT sure worked for Dorian Yates

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yates never did Mentzer training. This is a lie he kept pushing like a desperate parasite to sell himself as a "coach." He met Yates once. Just once.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >t. never watched blood and guts

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yates literally said countless times learned his method from reading books (Mike mentzer and arthur jones specifically). Yates did do more sets, but they were just warmups (he reccomends doing the first set with 50% of target weight, the second set with 75%. Ive been training simillar to him and youd be suprised how well it works. I guess its a mental thing, since you only have that one set to get the benefit of the exercise so you go harder than you ever thought you could

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    if you're natty you're better off going with outright hypertrophy

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >In fact, most research to date suggests that there is no significant difference in strength increases between performing single or multiple set programs [51, 134-137). For example, Carpinelli and Otto [134] found that single sets produced similar results in 33 out of 35 studies they reviewed.Contrary to this evidence, Krieger [138] published a meta-analysis concluding that “2-3 sets per exercise are associated with 46% greater strength gains than 1 set, in both trained and untrained subjects”. However, Krieger [138] included a study by Kraemer [139] that had previ-ously received heavy criticism by Winett [136] due to methodological inadequacies, as well as articles where groups had not trained to momentary muscular failure [140].Readers shouldbe wary of meta-analyses thatattempt to consider an assortment of differing research and provide a single conclusive statement, as Krieger [138] appears to have done. Indeed, meta-analyses within this debate [132, 133, 141, 142] have been criti-cized for their absence of scientific process [137].The assertion that multiple sets are superior to single sets has therefore been made despite the absence of evidence to support this claim. It should also be noted that the number of sets recommended by the ACSM appears arbitrary. One might conclude from observation of data from the cited meta-analysis that more sets in fact result in reduced gains until the arbitrary number 8 is reached, as no continuum in effect size is demon-strated [132, 133]. Carpinelli [19] has commented on this meta-analysis similarly explaining that the data do not support a dose-response relationship between num-ber of sets and strength gains. Indeed, the vast majority of research studies show that performance of multiple sets of resistance exercise yield no greater gains than single sets performed to momentary muscular failure and therefore are not as time and energy effective.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not sure what all the autism is about. I noticed better gains when I upped my weekly volume. I already take every set to failure (occasionally moving up if I managed to do 12 reps). Yes my numbers are arbitrary, but the empirical facts speak for themselves.

      Going to failure once is less effective than going to failure multiple times. Takes like 2 weeks to find this fact for yourself. Kindda ironic that the autismo who wrote your greentext likely spent longer than that to write this paper when he could have lifted, and then wrote instead.
      >Yeah, I tried it. It works.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        time between sets? recently ive been hitting failure, taking a quick breather (5-15 sec) then doing a second set to failure then moving to the next exercise.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          2-4 minutes. I just go when i'm ready.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    hey OP. i don't fucking know, but i recently adopted the mentzer principle of max 1rm training every session and lemme tell you, i just hit pr's for the first time in about 2 years as far as raw weight is concerned.

    i think he's on to something, but just remember that if you CAN NOT HIT IT WITH PROPER FORM, don't fucking push it. i will not go to snap city for some fucking faggy ego lift.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Exactly this. Gave the whole 1rm training thing a try on my last set for most of my lifts just this week. I've been lifting for almost 10 years, never been this sore in my life. Decided to go the extra mile too and take a rest day just today like he said. I'm currently on a cut but i somehow woke up looking a little more leaner and bigger than last week. He may have been off with the whole "1 set per lift" deal but he was definitely on to something with telling ppl to max the lifts safely for 1 rep.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I've heard anecdotally from forums that people who do this tend to end up with about 10 pounds less of muscle by the time they're done training than people who do high volume. I think high volume is the winner

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nope. Even at the time he was wrong. He also never trained that way and he himself admitted that since he wrote Heavy Duty 10 years after he retired and became a fat meth addict. When he actually looked good he was in the gym for like 3 hours at least 3x a week and this is backed up from other bodybuilders and his own workout tapes that would list like 14 lifts for multiple sets each. This important because he keeps saying his theory is "sound exercise science" when it was totally reversed.

    People want it to be right because doing 1 set for a lift, every two weeks is easy. I don't care what static hold you put on it, it's easy.

    I'm constantly posting this because I hate dyels on IST trying to trick people into wasting their time.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      source: My Ass

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      his method is mainly to put on size and strength, he even says this that once you are at your desired size you can switch to work on the finer details where you would work out more frequently, this was not a secret, and is why he would have been in the gymn 3 hours x3 week coming up to competition

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    H.I.T is for the intermediate level because of the proper form, cadence, rest-pause reps, etc. Yeah you can be on a cycle, but he recommends full recovery for the next workout and not to zap your CNS. Read his book if you care to indulge more from the words himself! >https://www.amazon.com/High-Intensity-Training-Mike-Mentzer-Way/dp/0071383301/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=mike+mentzer&qid=1656555435&s=books&sprefix=mike+men%2Cstripbooks%2C419&sr=1-1

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Are there any examples of his training style that you can quickly point to?

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Mentzer trained like everybody else in his time, high volume and intensity, HIT was just some bullshit method to make money, he also did meth and used to run around naked.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ironically it’s a lot of beginners who buy into this shit. The low volume of starting strength is retarded too. You need to build the mind muscle connection and improve your form and the only way to do this is through lots of reps performed with improvement in mind. And realistically your muscles will be more than fine to go after one day of rest besides possibly legs (and even legs for the way most people work out)

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Ironically it’s a lot of beginners who buy into this shit.
      He was basically trying to market shit to normies, i doubt most ppl like wagies give a f about that sort of stuff, getting most ppl to stay on a schedule and ARRIVE to the gym is a bigger problem than them working out.
      Put normies on machines, normie max lift at end set, add in some cardio at the end, normie feel accomplished, sees some gains, keeps coming back, gym makes money....

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        bro you just described mediocrity

        the double-edge sword of being a weird mfer is you either fail to function or transcend normal achievement

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    How exactly do you do HIT?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous
  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe or maybe not, but I like working out, so I do it more often

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Related question, was he correct about how little protein is needed for growth?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      not necessarily how little, just that lifters make a big deal about how much they need vs what is necessary for growth. eating all that extra protein is good in theory except your body needs a certain amount, and what it doesn't use turns into bodyfat via excess calories or gets pooped out but yes it is biologically sound.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah great except protein isn't readily converted to atp

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    High volume is always wrong. Basic physiology will tell you this.

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    tbh heavy duty did more for me than the conventional high volume. the people that shit on it most likely never tried it or did it wrong. also it saves a fuck ton of time. i can hit two body parts and within 45 minutes im out of the gym not like those jack ass "powerlifters" who hoard the rack for an hour doing fuck all in 2.5kg increments. combine this with a 3k calorie diet and ur getting jacked

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      training partner highly recommended, helps to push out those failure reps as well as forced negatives.

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Good for maintaining muscle when you're in a phase of life when you can't be arsed in the gym, but dogshit for anything else.

    As usual it's the middle ground, one hard working set isn't enough, tons of working sets just equals junk volume and tons of accumulated fatigue for fuck all in return.

    10ish hard working sets (rep speed approximately halving at max effort) per muscle group per week.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Idk bro, just make sure to lift hard and struggle, do it for multiple sets, multiple times a week
    Don't go through the motion, actually lift heavy for reps and multiple times
    That's all

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >loses to out of his prime Arnold
    >becomes a meth addict

    No, he was obviously wrong.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      bro you just described mediocrity

      the double-edge sword of being a weird mfer is you either fail to function or transcend normal achievement

      exhibit A

      even just competing with Arnold is an achievement but mfers like these want nothing short of perfection despite already being way above the threshold of average

      that's why they are there in the first place

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    3-5 sets to warmup per movement
    4 or 5 working sets:
    1 @ 50% PR 8-12
    1 @ 75% PR 8-12
    2-3 @ 100% AMRAP
    easy as

    deload every 4 weeks and then start the Meso over again.

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Doesn't Jeff Alberts do a HIT style routine? He looks pretty solid.

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