We know that the science shows male upper body strength is one of the most important factors in attraction.

We know that the science shows male upper body strength is one of the most important factors in attraction.

What is everything that can be done to conceivably maximize your sex appeal? EVERYTHING, including every little 1% improvement.

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Money.

    Height.

    Hygiene.

    Socialization.

    Fashion.

    Don’t be an asshole.

    Don’t be a “nice guy.”

    No particular order here.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Forgot intelligence/education

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Very few women care about intelligence/education as long as you're at an equal or higher level than her (and as long as you aren't a poorfag)

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Stupid fingers typed this post.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Very few women care about intelligence/education as long as you're at an equal or higher level than her
          equal or higher level than her on what metrics?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        only matters for social status and money to women
        very few women care if your dumb so long as your attractive, wealthy, and popular
        it's not that intelligence isn't a great quality to have
        it's just irrelevant unless it produces results when it comes to women

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Have you ever talked to a woman? Everyone prefers someone who is intelligent man or woman.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Men have 1-4 points higher IQ than women so it will likely not be as much of an issue because you will be a bit smarter or about equal in most cases.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Also men don't really care about a woman's education or her interest in philosophy/politics or other big brain domains of life. She just has to be kind, want children and be decent looking.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                untrue, I dated lots of bimbo’s in high school and early college, so much so that I only date smart women, dumb bitches are unironically the worst and I fucking hate talking to them. I met my current gf through my schools honors program, she has the highest GPA in her graduating class

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                IST nerds aren't representative of men in general society.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                most men (and women) in general society are dumb as fuck so they date within their own iq level

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You're the outcast if you think most men would prefer a dumb girl to an intelligent one. That's sandmoron and chink thinking.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Bro you’ve isolated yourself from the real world. Most men aren’t you and most woman aren’t your gf. So please normies due prefer stupid bitches and woman prefer stupid, but well of men to some capacity. The only reason you’ve settled for your bitch is due to getting tired of the stereotype. Idiots don’t get that many chances so they settle just like females.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >women
                >smart
                Your current gf is a whore with orbiters

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                False! I was molded by Stacies, as in they took me under their wings when I was younger (dunno why). They unironically were redpilled af. Perfect-score-beckies are dumb as a brick instead. They are only good at memorizing shit for the test. But once confronted with irl situations they don’t know how to act. You are a midwit. Just deal with it.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >t. midwit with a midwit gf

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                she’s 21 and just got her first job out of college making 90k in private equity, tell me anon what do you make?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You may not but that's boring and every cute but dumb girl I've been I have broken up with for a reason. If I'm going to spend the rest of my life with someone I want them to have an intelligent conversation and help with decisions not just be a flower on the wall. Also every girl I've been with also stated they loved how smart I was and found it attractive.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Yeah but would you want a woman who was more intelligent and physically stronger than you?
                Not the same fag but I would REALLY appreciate it and admire her. The fact that I KNOW she would inevitably cuck and/or leave me for a man who is smarter/stronger than herself is the sole reason I'd be uncomfortable with that arrangement.
                If for some miracle she was a unicorn who could still remain attracted to me despite being smarter and stronger than me, I'd be happy.
                The problem isn't men.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >1-4 points higher IQ
              no way this is a high enough difference to be noticeable in conversation

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You haven't noticed?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You must have very low standards for intelligence. Being smarter than 99% of the popualtion just makes you stand out as a weirdo.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Explain how intelligence is attractive exactly?
        Whenever I use verbose language regarding complex topics around women they just seem bored or confused

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Youre using verbose incorrectly here lmao. Why do brainlets always think vocabulary = smart. Its so cringe and predictable. Many such cases

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          It’s not being a tryhard to look smart, it’s displaying intelligence in a useful manner that shows you would make a good partner

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          1. Verbosity =/ intelligence. If someone is confused by what you're saying you're not saying it very smartly, if its a genuine conversation.

          2. If you find you can't have complex conversations with a girl, I'd honestly say she's not worth courting. My 2c

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          whenever i try to talk to women about something "intelligent" the conversation always devolves into me having to explain basic concepts to them. I really try hard to not make this happen but if the other person just isn't capable of engaging with you on that level then what can you do. When I try to pick her brain about something to find if there's something I can learn from her then it's usually something banal like celebrity gossip.

          I really don't think intelligence in a logical thinking way is inherently attractive. Being socially intelligent (witty, funny, well spoken, clever) is definitely attractive but that is not usually correlated with logical-type intelligence which is common among IST autists. They want you to be intelligent in a way that surprises them and makes them laugh, not the kind of intelligence that points out a logical fallacy in their line of thought.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          If you were actually intelligent you would be able to tailor your vocabulary and conversation topics for your audience

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            hahaha that fits the image so well

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Based retard

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Don’t be a “nice guy.”
      This, but unironically.

      Don't be a nice person. Be polite and non-asshole, but don't go out of your way to please people. It doesn't matter how much women SAY they love a guy who is ready and willing to do things for them, they don't spread their legs to these guys.

      Nothing is free. So your attention, your help and your time should not be free either.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        There's nothing wrong with being actually nice to your girlfriend or wife. That's how it should be. But you're dead right when it comes to everyday or women you've just met

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't for woman. I do for my bros.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      how to become better at socializing? lately i've noticed i have nothing to talk about and dont really give a fuck about starting a conversation.... have i become autistic

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Talk to people and get more comfortable making friends. Have stuff to talk about that is interesting to your target group, if you are in a hobby together then it is easy af.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          well it's not as simple as just "talking to people", there's a skill to it that engages people into whatever you have to say

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Learn by doing, if you need to read rethoric then do so but you need to practice it on actual people.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Fake it or just be a good listener most people only want to talk about themselves anyway

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >don't be an asshole
      >t. Nice guy

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      All you really need are the first 2.

      You'd be surprised what women are willing to put up with if you can guarantee them financial security. Height is just there so that in comparison to other men you look manly, regardless of whether you are built or not because height is what women use to determine whether they "believe" a man is manly or not.

      Copium sniffing males who work blue collar jobs will try and tell you that they are real men and women want them but a some scrawny tall dude who works for a tech company will always take their women.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Holy fuck this
        I know buttfuck ugly dorks with extreme low testosterone who can't built muscle and strength no matter what and play Nintendo all day, but they fuck hot af women and have usually 7+/10 gfs just for being 6'4

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The easiest things that literally everyone reading this could do to glow up in 3 months. I mention techniques briefly; Google them to implement them appropriately.

      •••OBJECTIVE•••
      Get to 12% bodyfat
      Whiten teeth to best shade you can. Two weeks of white strips is all it takes.
      Darker eyebrows. If you don't have thick ones, use min. If you don't have dark, use beard dye.
      Skincare. It's simple. Moisturizer, retin-a, sunscreen, hydration.
      Tan skin. I recommend sunless tanner do you don't age your skin.
      Heavy stubble. Use 2.5mg oral min if you can't grow.
      Hairline is critical. If you aren't on fin, min, and dermaneedling despite browsing this board, then stop being dense.

      •••SUBJECTIVE AND CONTEXTUAL•••
      Tattoos are consistently seen as masculine and attractive despite that IST seethes. Get good ones with solid lines by acclaimed artists.
      Find a cologne you like and stick with it
      Fashion is one of the most important things that influence how you are perceived. Everything ok the Internet shit fashion sucks and you have to wake through it anyway to find your style.

      I got bored writing this so you prior will have to finish it for me if you stop arguing about gay shit like intelligence and hour much it matters or whatever weird shit most of this thread is

      Height is the number 1 overall stat and that simply can't be changed because you have to take your boots off at some point. Of course you could get the leg surgery and spend the rest of your life practically handicapped so who wants to do that?

      You guys will just never understand the feeling of tippy toeing to fuck a girl from behind and how demoralizing it is

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Science has already shown us that shoulder to waist ratio is more important.

        No one cares about your pathetic manlet problems

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Don’t be a “nice guy.”
      This, but unironically.

      Don't be a nice person. Be polite and non-asshole, but don't go out of your way to please people. It doesn't matter how much women SAY they love a guy who is ready and willing to do things for them, they don't spread their legs to these guys.

      Nothing is free. So your attention, your help and your time should not be free either.

      Incels.
      It is not about niceness that girls do not spread their legs.
      It is all about indecisiveness and fear of rejection in these self-claimed nice guys, and btw, you are probably not actually nice but just acting nice to win over women.

      Be direct, like a girl? Tell it straight to her face it is that simple, if you are actually is a nice guy and being direct and the girl do not reciprocate at all, it is time to forget and move on.

    • 2 months ago
      Discord guy

      You have to mix nice guy with asshole for best results, keep em on their toes

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Don’t be an asshole
      ngmi.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's not rocket science. Take care of your body and don't be a sperg.

    I'm married now, but I used to have no problem picking up chicks. The only failure I had was in high school when I was a little fat fuck.

    But then again I'm playing on easy mode. Some of you goblins might be beyond saving if you're trying to get 10/10s, but if you're realistic, and not fat, you can get laid easy pea-z.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >workout
    >diet
    >take good care of your skin
    >stay well groomed and clean
    >have at least some sense of style
    >have good social skills
    >have a job that pays somewhat well for your age range
    >be well educated and smart enough to hold an interesting conversation

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The easiest things that literally everyone reading this could do to glow up in 3 months. I mention techniques briefly; Google them to implement them appropriately.

    •••OBJECTIVE•••
    Get to 12% bodyfat
    Whiten teeth to best shade you can. Two weeks of white strips is all it takes.
    Darker eyebrows. If you don't have thick ones, use min. If you don't have dark, use beard dye.
    Skincare. It's simple. Moisturizer, retin-a, sunscreen, hydration.
    Tan skin. I recommend sunless tanner do you don't age your skin.
    Heavy stubble. Use 2.5mg oral min if you can't grow.
    Hairline is critical. If you aren't on fin, min, and dermaneedling despite browsing this board, then stop being dense.

    •••SUBJECTIVE AND CONTEXTUAL•••
    Tattoos are consistently seen as masculine and attractive despite that IST seethes. Get good ones with solid lines by acclaimed artists.
    Find a cologne you like and stick with it
    Fashion is one of the most important things that influence how you are perceived. Everything ok the Internet shit fashion sucks and you have to wake through it anyway to find your style.

    I got bored writing this so you prior will have to finish it for me if you stop arguing about gay shit like intelligence and hour much it matters or whatever weird shit most of this thread is

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      IST mostly seethes about tattoos on women because it makes them less pretty.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        American traditional tattoos on a woman are one of the hottest things tbh

        And that one super tattooed chick who won Ink Master? Ryan something? 10/10.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >stop arguing about gay shit like intelligence
      Says the guy listing as many beauty steps as a female. I'm not saying you're wrong and these things would massively help but if anything is gay it's your post.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >enters thread about maximizing sex appeal and sees posts about being more attractive

        HOW COULD THIS BE HAPPENING TO ME

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      my girl just lets me hit because im goofy

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm 6'4

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm trans btw

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >use beard dye
      >fin, min, and dermaneedling
      >get tatoos

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    .be
    Nerds want their wife to be a companion lol. Spengler right again. baka my head.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Get tr Feb be good e

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It’s true. Women will be more sexually aroused if you are tall and strong and have well developed broad shoulders especially. All of this “I don’t care about muscle I hate big dicks etc.” is just like everything else these days: nonsensical propaganda based on trying to deny human nature

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Here's EVERYTHING off the top of my head.

    GENETIC:
    >Facial structure (most important)
    >Height (2nd most important)
    >Eye color
    >Thick hair, thick eyebrows, able to grow facial/body hair
    >Muscle insertions (slim waist OR wide shoulders OR both; good calves)
    >Penis size (not near as important as others)
    >Deep voice (not near as important as others, and can be improved)
    >Veins in hands, arms (basically unimportant)
    >Hand size, feet size (basically unimportant)

    NON-GENETIC, SHIT YOU CAN SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVE:
    >Body fat level (most important)
    >Money & Status (second most important)
    >social skills/social circle
    >Personality (have experiences, be interesting, be passionate about certain topics. Should happen naturally boyos)
    >Good mental health (don't have incel mindset)
    >Skincare (moisturize, etc)
    >Grooming (trim beard, noise hair, pluck glabella, etc)
    >Optimized nutrition (clean eating, micronutrient supplementation)
    >Style (clothes that emphasize your physique, shoes that give 1-2in height, etc)
    >Muscles (arms, shoulders, chest, abs, don't have skinny legs)
    >Hairstyle (get a haircut, bro)
    >Hygiene (straight, clean, white teeth; clean body; clean ass; clean feet; clean behind ears; clean nails; good breath; clean pp)
    >Good posture (potentially increases height, exudes confidence)
    >Tongue posture (on roof of mouth at all times, breathe through nose)
    >Skin protections (sunscreen)
    >Anti-aging protections (eating in deficit, fasting, etc)
    >Hair protections (The Big 3: Finasteride, Monoxidil, Derma-rolling)

    OTHER STUFF (LAST RESORTS):
    >Shoe lifts
    >Limb lengthening surgery
    >Facial surgery
    >Hair transplant
    >Geomaxxing
    >Celibacy

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Tongue posture? What the fuck

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Go to a mirror. Look at your jaw normally.

        Then, put your tongue to the roof of your mouth. Your jaw becomes noticeably sharper and more defined. Unless you're a fat fuck or have shit genetics.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Hand size isn't genetic massive retard
      Also
      >muscles so low
      >height so high

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I specifically meant hand length. If you find out how to change that, lmk.
        >t. 7in handlet

        OP wanted to know how to maximize sex appeal. Modern women generally value height over muscles.
        >6'3 lanklet vs 5'7 muscular, who gets the girl?

        Also beyond 1st and 2nd most important, nothing is really in order. Muscles are really important, but so is everything else listed tbh.
        >Hardest IST blackpill: big muscles aren't as valued by females as we think.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          there's definitely a tradeoff

          we're dealing in abstracts but i agree (t. manlet) that height is important

          but sure, 6'3 lanklet vs 6'0 with muscles, muscles will win, 5'9 with no muscles vs 5'6 with muscles, maybe a bit more difficult but could swing either way

          where from there it changes depends on the precise amount of muscle we're talking about

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fedoras

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Doesn't this guy just prove IST if full of autism that cancels out any attractivness their body has?

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >We know that the science shows male upper body strength is one of the most important factors in attraction.

    um no

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    someone post only work shoulders guy

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous
      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's more lats than shoulders imo

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's more lats than shoulders imo

        He barely has any muscle. His shoulders are shit. What makes him look good in clothes is his naturally wide frame/clavicles. This guy would look amazing if he worked out a little bit more seriously.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    HWD is the ONLY thing one needs for high sex appeal
    it's all women want

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Status is not your bench press. Women like high status men that's why they secretly like polyamory because when they see a girl with a guy that signals to them that you are worth something.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone says height is king but I'm 6'1, average face/bod, I have not had king-like experiences 🙁

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    you are all incel retards. here is the actual list starting from the most important to least.
    1.money
    1a.staus
    2.face
    3.height
    4.naturally big back and forearms
    5. damage control by lifting
    6. low bf although not imporant if you are below 14%

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