>We use the term surrogate activity to designate an activity that is directed toward an artificial goal that people set up for themselves mer...

>We use the term “surrogate activity” to designate an activity that is directed toward an artificial goal that people set up for themselves merely in order to have some goal to work toward, or let us say, merely for the sake of the “fulfillment” that they get from pursuing the goal.
Well brehs, is lifting a surrogate activity?

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No, because getting fit and in shape is not an "artificial" goal.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes it is. Do you think Hunter gatherers we concerned with whether they were "in shape"???

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        His problem was with Industrialization, not agriculture, and many if not most agricultural societies placed significant attention to fitness.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Do you think Hunter gatherers we concerned with whether they were "in shape"???
        Uh, yes, you indomitable gay. If you weren't the strongest hunter, you got cucked and/or killed. Being able to smash in the skull of weaker men is not an "artificial goal" you absolute failed abortion.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Maybe. Maybe not. I'd wager he'd argue yes.

          Yes, fitness was pivotal in more primitive societies. With that being said, that was focused less on brute strength and more on endurance, not to mention the means to achieve said goal.

          Spoiler alert: It was a byproduct of life, the result of living, not something one had to go out of their way to do. Not only where aims different, but means as well.

          Context is important:
          1)Fitness comes into play, but it's largely the consequence of a sedentary life. We "work out" to offset sitting on our asses.

          2) Aesthetics. Many could, quite frankly, care less about "health". Their doing it to peacock. It's an easy means of signaling health, and very quickly crosses the thresh hold of what may or may not be considered detrimental to long term health.

          >the trousered ape speaks

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Strongest hunter
          >Same as in shape
          There's a clear difference between "I can kill a great beast to feed my family" and "5'11 king of manlets 195lb 18% 1/2/3/4 for reps tfw no qt3.14 gf muscle mommy"

          Reminder that Ted was an autist and literal chud homo. Preached primatism yet only survived in his cabin due to his family’s financial support

          While I will agree that he was not properly socialized. He does not seem autistic. And he is decidedly not a chud nor a homosexual. He realized that those were psychological effects of the trauma he was subjected to.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Do you people who quote Ted actually read what he wrote? Staying fit and healthy fulfills a biological need, which means fitness, generally speaking, isn't a surrogate activity. Staying healthy is a so called 'real goal': not an artificial one.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Do you think Hunter gatherers we concerned with whether they were "in shape"?
        >If I don't carry this deer over that hill my family will starve
        >If I don't catch this many grams of deer by the next moon I'll be too small to carry them to my family
        >If I don't get mires I wont have a family
        Men have always been fit, gay retard.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          See the first half of

          >Strongest hunter
          >Same as in shape
          There's a clear difference between "I can kill a great beast to feed my family" and "5'11 king of manlets 195lb 18% 1/2/3/4 for reps tfw no qt3.14 gf muscle mommy"

          [...]
          While I will agree that he was not properly socialized. He does not seem autistic. And he is decidedly not a chud nor a homosexual. He realized that those were psychological effects of the trauma he was subjected to.

          where I already elaborated that "in shape" is not a concern but rather the ability to perform the end goal. The virtue isn't in your ability to lift, the virtue is in your ability to feed your kin.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I see the post in which you seethe about dudes who can feed themselves well enough to do everything you do but better. Men are still in shape and you're still a gay retard.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              You're fucking retarded so let me break it down for you simply.
              "Number go up" different from "feed family"
              Make sense? Does that compute you fucking monkey? "Being fit" is about taking some arbitrary number and improving that. Being mile time, lifting total, bodyfat percentage, vo2 max, FFMI, bmi, or some other chosen measure. Meanwhile be a good hunter, or being able to survive, is a matter or qualitative aspects that are less about number go up and more about features of the outcome. Does that help clear it up you fucking chicken brain gay?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                If I don't stay physically healthy then I can not work hard enough to provide for my wife and children. Convincing me that I'm not better than you for it is a surrogate activity. Got it?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            oh so you're arguing semantics, got it

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yes

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes it is. It has no function. If you wanted functional strength you’d do a manual job.

      No. I don't lift for the sake of lifting, I lift to build muscle

      As surrogate as using steroids

      His problem was with Industrialization, not agriculture, and many if not most agricultural societies placed significant attention to fitness.

      Your max bench is not fitness

      your heart doesn't care if the cardio was meaningful

      Everyone is taking about lifting retard

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Define functional mongoloid.
        (You can't, because 'functional' just means priming yourself for the movements that you're gonna make, which is exactly what you're doing with bodybuilding. If you want to deadlift, deadlift. If you want to curl, curl. If you want to slam a hammer against a nail, slam a hammer against a nail)

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I can retard. Name one thing you use your muscle for. I’ll wait.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >From a functional point of view, there are three groups of respiratory muscles: the diaphragm, the rib cage muscles and the abdominal muscles. Each group acts on the chest wall and its compartments, i.e. the lung-apposed rib cage, the diaphragm-apposed rib cage and the abdomen.

            >The pectoralis minor originates on the third, fourth, and fifth ribs and inserts on the coracoid process of the scapula; thus, this little muscle connects the shoulder blade to the rib cage. Its major function is to help elevate the rib cage during inhalation, allowing for full, deep breathing.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >can’t name 1, resorts to anatomy
              Fucking retard

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Can't name 1
                It says it's needed for breathing you dumb fuck
                Again, define functional, you can't (even read)

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >needs to lift to breathe
                Keep going retard

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I know you have never breathed as well as I have, because you don't lift. Stay DYEL bro you're just farming posts

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Keep going retard. You’re making me lol @ coping being useless.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Fuck I forgot the Americans invaded the website for the day
                Post body, you won't

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Keep seething fat retard, you’re still making me lol

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Hitting a hammer with a nail is functional if you’re building something useful or necessary. If it’s building something for the sake of it I suppose it would be a surrogate activity though

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        fitness for a man includes lifting

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The 10 Roman legion did not do any weighlifting yet they were the strongest and best warriors. So no, lifting is a pointless surrogate activity with no functionality.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >he fell for the Roman propaganda
            It's the same thing as when Arnold told interviewers shit advice to sabotage his competition.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >fitness for a man includes lifting
              This is what I’m responding to you fucking retard. Too bad you’re as dumb as a moron.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Soldiers back in the day would have been lifting all day. Digging trenches, carrying their armor/gear everywhere, cutting trees for field construction etc.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Digging trenches, carrying their armor/gear everywhere, cutting trees for field construction etc.
              None of that is “lifting” you brainless tumor. Those are useful, your deadlift is not.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Due to organisation. 1v1 most Germanic’s or Gauls would have slapped them

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If you build muscle to play better at a sport for the sake of the sport or to attract women then yes lifting is indeed a surrogate activity.

        >Do you think Hunter gatherers we concerned with whether they were "in shape"???
        Uh, yes, you indomitable gay. If you weren't the strongest hunter, you got cucked and/or killed. Being able to smash in the skull of weaker men is not an "artificial goal" you absolute failed abortion.

        Midwit take.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      yes it is

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Don't let the garden gnome shame you for pursuing a goal for the sake of self-improvement. Mr. Psychologist is welcome to define our physical fitness efforts as a "surrogate" activity as if they somehow lessons the accomplishment. Mankind's journey to the moon was a surrogate activity.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No. I don't lift for the sake of lifting, I lift to build muscle

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No, because le uncle ted was a retard with a surface level understanding of history and genetics.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >
      Yeah dude, totally agree.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Where chin

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          my chin is significantly smaller than any of theirs

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Digits outing a fed

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Man you must hate that the alphabet organization put you on IST duty instead of going after real crimes.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    To a degree, yes. Building some base strength with compound movements is beneficial to your health. Being a roidchud is a surrogate activity.
    Focus on being strong and healthy. Just don’t let fitness be your life.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    [...]

    >We use the term “surrogate activity” to designate
    >We're just making up meanings for words as we go along now? That doesn't resemble the normal meaning of the word surrogate.
    Why did you delete your post fren? Did you realize you were being a retard? Did you realize that Ted was coining a new term?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I looked up the word in an online dictionary and the way they put it it sounded a bit more sensible to use it like that than I had thought originally. I also didn't realize where the word was coming from - I guess when it comes from a manifesto trying to change thought a neologism or two might be appropriate, I thought it was some blog post. Like whether it was quality or just a dumb terrorist thing it makes more sense to create a new definition than some meme website lifestyle guru. Overall I was not as happy with my post as I had originally thought of it, I could have still left it but decided to simply delete it.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes obviously. People lift for sexual capital, even if they think they do it for some other reason. Contented anxiety-free people would never feel an impulse to exercise. You are treating youself like a machine which needs to be fixed. Long story short lifting is conformity. I lift, but I don't delude myself into thinking that it isn't harmfull. You lift to protect yourself from the flaws of the society in which you persist.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      your body is a machine, one that needs exercise including lifting

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No, it isn't designedn to do meaningless activities over and over, but rather to do meaningful stuff. Treating your body like machine leads to health problems (psychological and physiological).

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          your heart doesn't care if the cardio was meaningful

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    By virtue of living in a natural world everything we do is natural. Artificial is nothing. Everything we make, think, our conflicts, triumphs, and changes are all part of our natural being.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I think people use the term artificial to denote that the thing they are referring to would otherwise not exist without human intervention. For example, obsidian exists “naturally” without human involvement, but an obsidian arrowhead is very unlikely to form without a human artificer.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Well then everything we do including cooking and hygiene is unnatural

        The hut that ted live in was unnatural. His clothes were unnatural. His language was unnatural

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Every activity beyond simple survival and reproduction is a surrogate activity. Humans evolved to be drawn towards "surrogate" activities because they make those two non-surrogate activities a hell of a lot easier by having many people specialize in different things and work in communion. Only retards think the natural state of man is entirely without society or technology.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'm going to reply to myself to expand on my post. Flint knapping is a technology. You're not born with the knowledge of how to shape rocks into useful tools, and you can't just figure it out on your own in a few days or even weeks. You need to be taught, and you need to dedicate time towards the perfection of the technique. Archaeologists classify stone tools into several industries, Mode 1 to Mode 5, which span the entire history of the genus Homo (some 2 million years) and have their origins before even that. Industries like this have never developed in any other kind of animal, not ever, not in hundreds of millions of years. It's not evolved behavior, and it's not simple intuition. It's not something that comes about if every single member of the species only ever decides to get as good at it as "needed" before moving on. It's the kind of autism present in man, and no animal but man, that allows him to dedicate himself to the perfection of a craft of his own choosing, above even basic survival or reproduction if need be. That's what "surrogate" activities are, or should be, at least, in a better world.
      The problem with modern industrial society does lie, in part, close to the co-option of this tendency. But that doesn't make it, in and of itself, something deserving of criticism.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Shaping rocks into tools is not a surrogate activity since it directly benefits your survival

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Interesting read and good points.
        Made me feel a bit better about my autistic hobbies aswell.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He gave it as an example of one.

    >Let's take an unusually intelligent child and subject him to daily psychological abuse for years to see what happens
    >WTF why is he a serial killer?

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that Ted was an autist and literal chud homo. Preached primatism yet only survived in his cabin due to his family’s financial support

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >le ad hominem
      he nailed leftism but everything else he wrote his gobbledymoron

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >everything else he wrote his gobbledymoron
        Cope civtard, he was right
        The two options for the future are either societal collapse or technological enslavement

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It is an ad hominem, but true.

        His political theory is garbage. Claiming technology has led to unfulfillment and slavery yet ignores that people before the industrial revolution also had people living unfulfilled lives and even greater slavery, both in a literal sense and in a corporate/consumerist sense. Technology has allowed people to work less and less hours and seek forms of education and fulfillment that would be impossible for most under his retarded ideal society.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Refer to picrel, wagecuck civtard

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >serf
            >owned his own land
            obvious b8

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Serfs didn’t own land, they were literally considered part of the land the same way you’d consider your sewage piping a part of a home you’d buy. When a king sold a part of the land the serf was considered part of the deal.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              what you are saying is that no matter who the serf belonged to, they got to live on their land and keep doing their thing.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            kek, you got more of these?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >his boyar
              i never realized the chad peasant meme is russian

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Absolutely correct. Ted is a retard.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Technology has allowed people to work less and less hours
          This is simply not true at all. Farmers pre-industrialization basically had nothing to do half the year, they built fucking cathedrals in their spare time.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Technology has allowed people to work less and less hours and seek forms of education and fulfillment
          Lmao at this, take a good look around you.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Absolutely correct. Ted is a retard.

          >Parrots a pseudo-intellectual talking point which is BTFO, in the first part of the book.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        His reasoning isn't bad but in any pragmatic sense it's just irrelevant. Industrialization will not stop so we might as well make the best out of it.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    They are shitty nonsense that sounds like that school teenager who thinks he's smarter than everyone and is now nihilistic because only he realizes and appreciates that we're all just chemicals.

    >everything is really natural because it must have come from something natural
    It doesn't get dumber than that.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If you're replying to who I think you're replying too (i.e.

      By virtue of living in a natural world everything we do is natural. Artificial is nothing. Everything we make, think, our conflicts, triumphs, and changes are all part of our natural being.

      ,

      Every activity beyond simple survival and reproduction is a surrogate activity. Humans evolved to be drawn towards "surrogate" activities because they make those two non-surrogate activities a hell of a lot easier by having many people specialize in different things and work in communion. Only retards think the natural state of man is entirely without society or technology.

      &

      I'm going to reply to myself to expand on my post. Flint knapping is a technology. You're not born with the knowledge of how to shape rocks into useful tools, and you can't just figure it out on your own in a few days or even weeks. You need to be taught, and you need to dedicate time towards the perfection of the technique. Archaeologists classify stone tools into several industries, Mode 1 to Mode 5, which span the entire history of the genus Homo (some 2 million years) and have their origins before even that. Industries like this have never developed in any other kind of animal, not ever, not in hundreds of millions of years. It's not evolved behavior, and it's not simple intuition. It's not something that comes about if every single member of the species only ever decides to get as good at it as "needed" before moving on. It's the kind of autism present in man, and no animal but man, that allows him to dedicate himself to the perfection of a craft of his own choosing, above even basic survival or reproduction if need be. That's what "surrogate" activities are, or should be, at least, in a better world.
      The problem with modern industrial society does lie, in part, close to the co-option of this tendency. But that doesn't make it, in and of itself, something deserving of criticism.

      ), you're comment in no way addresses what is being said. Nor do their comments have anything to do with physicalist reductionism, as you seem to believe.

      >It doesn't get dumber than that.
      And yet it is true. Cope and seethe.

      Also, working out, as it is typically pursued, especially by the autists that frequent this site, is a surrogate activity.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes.

    Lifting is a surrogate activity because you do not need to lift.
    Hunter-gatherers gained their physical prowess from hunting, and they needed to hunt, or they would die.

    You absolutely do not need to lift nowadays. Your basic needs are met, regardless on whether you lift or not.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's literally one of his examples of a surrogate activity, you are a brainlet who hasn't even read the manifesto.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Pff, like I'm gonna read something a scrawny Ivy League math nerd wrote.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Scrawny
        Kek, Ted was stronger than half this board by being subsistence hunting.

        It's literally one of his examples of a surrogate activity, you are a brainlet who hasn't even read the manifesto.

        (checked)
        He has also recommended people to be physically fit and to train when asked for advice in letters. It's a matter of intent and realistic expectations. Noone survives the hell we live in without some surrogate activity, you might as well do something useful to yourself. Something like competing in bodybuilding is more surrogate than hiking or rockclimbing.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Of course, but he also doesn't knock people in general for coping well with their surrogate activities, he is just pointing out that for many people this is not truly psychologically as satisfying as our natural life would be. Clearly in preparation for the future he would view exercise and fitness as a much better surrogate activity than math, as the physically fit guy from the gym will be better off and more capable to challenge industrial society, than the lardass who over-consumes and has no energy.

          The example he gave in this context was bodybuilding, not fitness generally.

          Both to him would be still a surrogate activity, fitness would be maintained in general through regular necessary activity not through artificial means.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            see

            >Scrawny
            Kek, Ted was stronger than half this board by being subsistence hunting.
            [...] (checked)
            He has also recommended people to be physically fit and to train when asked for advice in letters. It's a matter of intent and realistic expectations. Noone survives the hell we live in without some surrogate activity, you might as well do something useful to yourself. Something like competing in bodybuilding is more surrogate than hiking or rockclimbing.

            >He has also recommended people to be physically fit

            Also
            >Here is a rule of thumb for the identification of surrogate activities. Given a person who devotes much time and energy to the pursuit of goal X, ask yourself this: If he had to devote most of his time and energy to satisfying his biological needs, and if that effort required him to use his physical and mental faculties in a varied and interesting way, would he feel seriously deprived because he did not attain goal X?
            You would feel seriously deprived if you don't achieve and maintain fitness and health, because it's a biological need. It's the same with sex. You would feel seriously deprived, in this context, if you didn't have sex.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              You didn't read/understand what I wrote. If you are devoting your time and energy to satisfying your biological needs, you would ALREADY be physically fit, you wouldn't be like oh, I just got done hunter and making sure I got everything I need, time to go lift some stones up and go for a run, no it is already FULFILLED by pursuit of your biological needs, it not about trying to reach some fitness goal.

              Of course he recommends people to be fit, if someone is fit they will adapt to a traditional lifestyle a lot quicker, and be more able to transition to it, than someone who is out of shape.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                He distinguishes between real goals and surrogate activities. Becoming fit is a physical necessity, it fulfills a biological need, and you would feel seriously deprived if you were not fit or healthy. All these things together mean it is a real goal and not a surrogate activity. It is a real goal whether or not you become physically fit by devoting your time and energy to satisfying your biological needs. It doesn't become a surrogate activity just because you have achieved this goal without satisfying your biological needs. It IS a biological need.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The example he gave in this context was bodybuilding, not fitness generally.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Who the hell even makes these threads? Saged and hidden and if dubs OP dies

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He literally used bodybuilding as an example.
    "84. Another way in which people satisfy their need for the power process is through surrogate activities. As we explained in paragraphs 38-40, a surrogate activity is an activity that is directed toward an artificial goal that the individual pursues for the sake of the “fulfillment” that he gets from pursuing the goal, not because he needs to attain the goal itself. For instance, there is no practical motive for building enormous muscles, hitting a little ball into a hole or acquiring a complete series of postage stamps. Yet many people in our society devote themselves with passion to bodybuilding, golf or stamp-collecting."

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      everyone shits on bodybuilders here. Bodybuilders are correlated with steroids too. Strength training and hypertrophy training is not a surrogate activity. You build it to be attractive to females (so you can reproduce), and be healthier and remain youthful longer (survival)

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    yeah

    all the luddite LARP lifters BTFO

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >skinnyfat talking shit about lifting
    Pottery.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Getting fit isn’t a surrogate activity, but getting “““““fit”””””, aka bodybuilding, absolutely is. If you’re only focusing on the size of your muscles while ignoring things like stamina or flexibility then your pursuit of “fitness” is just a pursuit of vanity.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that everyone who thinks lifting has no benefits other than superficial ones are DYEL and pretend to know anything about bodybuilding just because they gathered lots of information about it
    It's like explaining what being fit is to someone who has been fat all their life. You can't, they just have to experience it to know it.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    "Artificial" goals are set because they are motivated by nature. Humans are toolmakers by trade and in the process we create playthings like exercise and supplements to our previous lifestyles like B12 in our feed and niacin in our bread. Most of us wouldn't last long in real nature as we're already domesticated. But I will live a hybrid life removed from hedonism but not completely devoid of creature comforts either.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes I going to listen to a weirdo schizo who had a mental breakdown after some LSD, who lived alone in a cabin and sent bombs in the mail.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I agree with everything Ted said in his book and I lift everyday
    So stfu moron

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO you can't do things that are healthy or things that you enjoy, you have to do....well, I'm not sure but you have to do REAL stuff! Like.....SHUT UP OK?!?

    how can a goal be "artificial", by definition? aren't all goals "artificial" (besides needs like food, shelter etc. which aren't really goals) in that they are self-derived?

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Well, yeah? Your only natural goals are to reproduce and survive. Everything else in life is either to service those goals or waste time until you eventually can't survive anymore. That's not really a profound observation, Ted. I feel like most people generally understand this.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He did specifically reference bodybuilding as one. But I don't know why you'd care about some deranged schizoid ramblings

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He literally says lifting weights is a surrogate activity in his manifesto

    Redpill is he was a Manlet misanthrope

    So coped with tradpill primitive fantasies and solitude

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the garden gnome tells the gentile to be a libertarian and go live in the woods because it's exactly the opposite of what they do and won't accomplish anything

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Also major redpill he stole his entire manifesto from the book "Brave new world"

    LMFAO

    Not so clever now, uncle ted....

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The manifesto Industrial Society and its Future, has been criticized as "unoriginal," but this misses the point. The Manifesto was never intended to be original. Its purpose was to set forth certain points about modern technology in clear and relatively brief form, so that those points could be read and understood by people who would never work their way through a difficult text such as Jacques Ellul's Technological Society

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The obsession with originality is a modern disease anyway. Its how you end up with the shit-tier art and architecture we see today. Truth and beauty are unchanged from the start.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        He was a loser in modern society and would be a loser in pre industrial society

        That's all there is to it

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          he's 170 IQ math genius. Not a loser

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >is lifting a surrogate activity?
    No since I do it to survive the impending race war.

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    80 fucking posts in and nobody has posted Ted’s letter elaborating on this. Fucking summerfags

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      part and parcel of living in nuchan. Just look at the seething glowies ITT.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        80 fucking posts in and nobody has posted Ted’s letter elaborating on this. Fucking summerfags

        Well, post it then retards.

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Not really. You do it for your health (so you can live aka survive longer), and have better chances of attracting women, thus better chances of reproduction.
    Ted defined surrogate activity as one that's not needed for the sake of survival - one that you do just for the sake of getting a dopamine rush. But since working out makes you live longer and helps you reproduce, then it's not a surrogate activity imo.
    Surrogate is something like studying, so you can get a high paying job. You don't need all of that to survive. Most people want high paying job, so they can purchase luxuries, not just survive.
    Roiding though is definitely a surrogate activity.

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Bodybuilding is a surrogate activity by this definition. Lifting because strength makes life easier is not. Since surrogate activity here means getting huge and strong and the alternative is being a smug little gay telling people not to lift on a lifting forum, I don't really understand why surrogate activity is supposed to be the wrong choice.

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Whatever nerd. If you don't bench 405 or make more money than me then I have no reason to listen to you.
    Go bomb people's houses while I'm succeeding in life and getting all kinds of dopamine.

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'd have to re-read it but I don't think Uncle Ted is just 100% against surrogate activities to begin with.
    I think it's more like, to him, doing surrogate activities is a way you cope and don't go fucking insane in the awful world we live in.
    So you should probably do them but recognize what they are, why you're doing them and don't let doing them take up more of your life than it should.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That makes sense. I wonder what label he'd use for sitting on an internet forum trying to demoralize people

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >refers to himself as a "cool-headed logistician" in a letter to his brother
    >uses the exact same phrase 25 years later in a letter to the New York Times; a connection that would ultimately lead to his capture
    would someone with 170 IQ make a mistake like that and forget that they wrote almost the same screed to their now-estranged brother?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      His brother was a gay for doing what he did

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Lifting for the sake of lifting is a surrogate activity for sure; lifting for the sake of some higher purpose, for instance, the complete destruction of the illegitimate state of Israel isn't.

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is being butt fucked in prison for an ideology that ultimately doesn't matter a surrogate activity?

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I think there's a point towards transcendentalism, environmentalism, and distancing ourselves away from corporate megasociety. But hierarchy of needs and all dictates that yes we want to survive as that is the basal instinct of all mother nature's design, but we are also tuned to enjoy validation and social belonging, and above that pieces of uniquely human higher consciousnesses like self acceptance and motivation, actualization of personal philosophical practice and above that your conscious contribution to the advancement of your species.

    We came from apes via tool building and society crafting, these brought about negatives because we haven't adapted to it, therefore we should spend significant amounts of time away from it and also be mindful of it but we should not pretend like we aren't supposed to evolve to greater consciousness using these tools to bring the post-human in generations to come.

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Jesus Christ this board is retarded. Lifting is needed to be a basic, healthy human. Is brushing your teeth also a surrogate activity?

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Pretty much everything in modern life is.

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Lifting is specifically mentioned as a surrogate activity in the book.

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The reality is that even hunter gatherers spent time doing non-crucial things like gazing at the stars and telling tall tails. In modern times survival doesnt dictate meaning, it's up to every man to determine where he finds meaning.

    Ted is a moron and the Cia destroyed his brain.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Ted doesn't categorize every "non-crucial thing" as surrogate.

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He literally names working out as a surrogate activity in his essay

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Did my post graduation job hunt last year. Took untill January for it to end cause trying to get into Data Science from an Economics degree (with lots and lots of Econometrics electives) wasnt the smoothest of sailing (all gucci and well paid life on easy mode now).

    In november my PC died, and I couldnt get a new proper one untill late march. Giving me a few months of cold turkey from all forms of videogames. It was interesting to return to them and realize how dull theyh were. Vidya is fun cause it tricks the brain into beliveing you accomplished a goal. And coming back to them after a few months of accomplishing tangible real life goals just makes you realize how numb an experience they are. I still play them a little bit, but nowhere near as much as before. And I used to play a lot of strategy games, liked how they would rumble around in my head between play session thinking about ways to solve problems and planning for future stages, now that kind of backstage headrumbling is occupied with thoughts of job and career stuff. And I've gone full normie to mostly play multiplayer games with friends cause then there is the social aspect to it.

    So yeah I understand Kaczynski on this one, but it feels strange to realize that Jack Thompson had a point.

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I’d call it ”prerequisite activity”

  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He literally names bodybuilding as a surrogate activity. its like the first one he mentions.

  46. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It has 1000s of benefits outside of looking great.
    Who cares what category you put it under?
    gays gonna gay

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