It makes perfect sense, you're the retard. Too many people think the force of a punch comes from the pecs, instead of your ass and legs. Enjoy weighing your arms and chest down with useless slow-twitch fibers because you're desperate to inflate your ego.
Impinges your shoulder and mobility and generally just gives you slow-twitch muscle fibers where you don't need it. Fast-twitch muscle fibers will help with punching power, and once again, a punch does not come from the pecs.
Ok but your chest strength still helps with punching gay. Any fatass powershitter on this board would knock your head off your little neck with one punch.
The power of the punch comes from stepping in and pulling yourself with your leg forward sort of slamming your fist to the target, its not really the ass that strengthens the punch but the hip twisting rotation like when throwing a ball, ground and pound only uses the hip twisting motion to generate the power, stronger arms and grip definitely help in withstanding greater collision however and clinching your fist whole way through, also the acceleration or plyometric movement is what generates the most of the arm strength, not slow contractions or extensions of the muscles.
https://i.imgur.com/Zajesap.jpg
*weakens your punching power*
With that said if OP was only interested in punching strength, he should do Front Squat to OHP and Loaded Lunge Walks, maybe some Kettlebell Russian Swings and Side Cleans.
Ass and leg strength absolutely is where the force comes. You're arguing semantics here. Yes, train cleans, jerks, and OHP. All have far greater carry over into punching power than the bench press.
>Too many people think the force of a punch comes from the pecs, instead of your ass and legs
Explain to a boxlet? I have a faint grasp of leg drive but that sounds pretty cool. I'm into speed cycling and powerlifting so my legs and ass are much more developed than my chest and arms, which aren't exactly skinny lol.
Damage is basically: Mass x Acceleration = Force. Newtown's second law: [...]
Ok so if I worked on punching technique, and got a hold of leg drive in boxing, you're saying I could punch pretty hard.
Interesting, now I just need to hit 2/3/4/5 and switch to boxing
Strength is a factor but so is technique. If two people have identical technique and speed, the larger person would generate more force due to having greater mass.
2 months ago
Anonymous
It all equates back to the newtown's second law: Mass X Acceleration = Force.
Mass = Person's size, Acceleration = How fast can the guy punch with solid technique = Force output/damage.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Fitting image to you nerds that can't comprehend without visual aids.
2 months ago
Anonymous
If two objects weigh exactly the same, but one is smaller, the smaller object is considered to have more mass?
It's not difficult to understand unless you've dedicated your entire life to the bench press and now are being told the truth.
The force of your punch comes from your legs sending the force up to your arms, which are essentially just like cables doing what your legs tell them to do. Look up Jack Dempsey's falling step punch. It's about the easiest way I can explain it.
You're wasting your time and weakening yourself, hurting your shoulders, and giving yourself laughably bad poor posture with the bench press.
>You're wasting your time and weakening yourself, hurting your shoulders, and giving yourself laughably bad poor posture with the bench press.
Tell me you never hit 2pl8 without telling me you never hit 2pl8. This reads like one of those fat person posts about how cardio and fasting doesn’t help you lose weight. You keep shilling those sour grapes; I’ll be bench pressing three wheels in the meantime.
i personally gained significant punching power from using the rowing machine. granted, that was when i was 19-20 so it may have just been natural development
>instead of your ass and legs.
You do realize you can train bench AND squat? I know it sounds like an insane idea, but I've heard some people can do both, some even throw in deadlift too!!! Its crazy!
>Enjoy weighing your arms and chest down with useless slow-twitch fibers because you're desperate to inflate your ego.
Do you even know the difference between fast twitch and slow twitch fibers? Fast twitch fibers get build from anaerobic activities, so unless you're doing 30+ reps on bench, you're hitting the fast twitch fibers. Slow twitch fibers get hit from aerobic activities, like cardio for example. Fucking moron
overrated study that ultimately only shows that people who have a good punch will have a good bench, but it DOESN'T show that getting a good punch is through benching
it's like saying people with a massive jerk will have a good bench, so train the bench
>The main finding was that RA PVmax was correlated with the BP velocity at all submaximal intensities (p < 0.05). Nevertheless, LA PVmax did not correlate with BP velocity at any intensity.
>you're so dumb, fast twitch gets built explosive lifts like cleans
Holy shit, am I talking to an actual gremlin? The difference between fast twitch and slow twitch is anaerobic and aerobic. That's LITERALLY it. Rate of force production has NOTHING to do with it at all, zilch, nada. Slow twitch gets built by AEROBIC activities, you know, running, swimming, etc. Fast twitch gets built by anaerobic activities, like lifting weights. You have no clue what you're talking about, and you have no business giving anyone advice. Get the fuck off this baord you troglodyte
It makes perfect sense, you're the retard. Too many people think the force of a punch comes from the pecs, instead of your ass and legs. Enjoy weighing your arms and chest down with useless slow-twitch fibers because you're desperate to inflate your ego.
You're so stupid.
Power comes from your legs but heavy bench press makes you used to slow controlled movements whereas you want your punches to be fast and snappy.
Force is mass times acceleration. Provided you’re doing something to either increase mass or speed, subsequently the force you generate would also increase. Thanks for the low effort post, retard.
Ok you have a very strong slow punch. Good job! You can stop crying now.
Mile tyson only did calisthenics besides barbell shrugs and neck curls.
2,000 air squats, 2,500 sit-ups, 500 push-ups, 500 bench dips, 500 neck curls, 500 barbell shrugs, and ten minutes of wrestler bridges. A hard punch comes fromthe twisting of the torso and pushing off your back foot to put your body weight behind your punch.
Correct. Now you can laugh at every heavy bench presser in the gym.
Damage is basically: Mass x Acceleration = Force. Newtown's second law:
>Too many people think the force of a punch comes from the pecs, instead of your ass and legs
Explain to a boxlet? I have a faint grasp of leg drive but that sounds pretty cool. I'm into speed cycling and powerlifting so my legs and ass are much more developed than my chest and arms, which aren't exactly skinny lol.
According to the laws of physics a faster punch would generate more force than a slower punch, provided the weight of the object (fist, arm, body, etc.) is equal.
2 months ago
Anonymous
you can punch faster OR add more weight and punch with the same speed. the results are the same.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Punching faster is easier and more approachable for most people compared to adding mass.
I have 3pl8 bench, a black belt, national and international competition experience, and three college degrees, including coursework in kinesiology and research statistics. Learn how physics work. A thread died for your lazy, dumb greentezt non-theory. Go be stupid somewhere else.
I feel like benchpress does jack shit btu I still have some fat over my chest
am I doing it wrong or should I keep doing it since I cant see result yet?
Mile tyson only did calisthenics besides barbell shrugs and neck curls.
2,000 air squats, 2,500 sit-ups, 500 push-ups, 500 bench dips, 500 neck curls, 500 barbell shrugs, and ten minutes of wrestler bridges. A hard punch comes fromthe twisting of the torso and pushing off your back foot to put your body weight behind your punch.
Yeah and look at his little noodle arms and total absence of a chest. Hip and leg torque is a big part of it, sure, but other things equal, a person who can generate more force with the triceps and chest will hit harder. At some point the arm has to extend outward, not just swing like a baseball bat.
Chest muscle will only help if you build fast twitch muscle fibers. Low rep benches are too slow, you have to do exercises that increase speed. Having mass is only half the equation, speed is needed to give more velocity to your punches and more punches per combo. Chest does help though if you train speed, ever seen ali’s phantom punch in like 200ms. Huge contraction from the pecs to bring that one in.
Power is speed AND strength tard, weight is actually quite important also.
Nofights need to understand that just like in vidya there are light, fast punches which open up the opponent to harder and slower ones (slower because more body weight is used)
This is why the 1-2 drill (generally) uses the left hand for the first strike - it is mainly intended to weaken and disorientate the opponent.
Mike Tyson’s strength was his skill. He didn’t win because of extraordinarily strong punches but because of being very difficult to hit and good at getting his punches to hit the opponent.
Bench pressers have spent YEARS thinking a big chest and arms signals that they are the strongest dudes but it's basically the opposite. If you want to know if a guy punches hard look at his legs and ass (no homo).
a few decades down the line he'll realize that power can come from anywhere. some guys can do the whole leg drive twist your hip close your fist on impact punch through the target yaddi yadda and not come close to breaking an egg. other guys can knock out a horse with an arm punch. it is what it is
Holy fuck, you really are retarded. Every effective jab ever, as well as every other punch or kick, starts from the hips. There has never been a jab that didn't get power from torque in the hips.
Even in martial arts places that do not encourage weightlifting they do literally thousands of pushups over the course of a year. Doesn't matter if it is karate, muay thai, boxing etc.The pushup is basically a less efficient bench press so...
i dont really care about this but youre calling him dr. ironfist like it means something. vitaly was rather featherfisted for his size. you must be thinking of his brother
*strengthens your grappling power*
That makes no sense you retard
It makes perfect sense, you're the retard. Too many people think the force of a punch comes from the pecs, instead of your ass and legs. Enjoy weighing your arms and chest down with useless slow-twitch fibers because you're desperate to inflate your ego.
You're so stupid.
kek which pubmed article told you this
Sorry for destroying your entire world view. You're not strong.
Imagine coping so hard with your low PR numbers kek. Post body you spastic dyel retard.
yeah im sure youd knock Hafþór Björnsson out thanks to your superior speed and punching power
a great example actually. thor trained boxing 2 years and his punches still were laughably slow.
so how does bigger chest make you weaker then
Retard
Impinges your shoulder and mobility and generally just gives you slow-twitch muscle fibers where you don't need it. Fast-twitch muscle fibers will help with punching power, and once again, a punch does not come from the pecs.
Ok but your chest strength still helps with punching gay. Any fatass powershitter on this board would knock your head off your little neck with one punch.
>Ok but your chest strength still helps with punching gay
No. Saying it doesn't make it so. Understand the mechanics of a punch.
The power of the punch comes from stepping in and pulling yourself with your leg forward sort of slamming your fist to the target, its not really the ass that strengthens the punch but the hip twisting rotation like when throwing a ball, ground and pound only uses the hip twisting motion to generate the power, stronger arms and grip definitely help in withstanding greater collision however and clinching your fist whole way through, also the acceleration or plyometric movement is what generates the most of the arm strength, not slow contractions or extensions of the muscles.
With that said if OP was only interested in punching strength, he should do Front Squat to OHP and Loaded Lunge Walks, maybe some Kettlebell Russian Swings and Side Cleans.
Ass and leg strength absolutely is where the force comes. You're arguing semantics here. Yes, train cleans, jerks, and OHP. All have far greater carry over into punching power than the bench press.
>ohp
yeah i guessed it you are a dyel gay to even suggest that shit even worse if you actually do it
post body dyel would love a laugh lol dyel tooth pick actually doing cleans and all that meme shit
>Too many people think the force of a punch comes from the pecs, instead of your ass and legs
Explain to a boxlet? I have a faint grasp of leg drive but that sounds pretty cool. I'm into speed cycling and powerlifting so my legs and ass are much more developed than my chest and arms, which aren't exactly skinny lol.
It’s like how a golf or baseball swing starts with the legs and hips. Rotational power leading into the punch.
Ok so if I worked on punching technique, and got a hold of leg drive in boxing, you're saying I could punch pretty hard.
Interesting, now I just need to hit 2/3/4/5 and switch to boxing
Strength is a factor but so is technique. If two people have identical technique and speed, the larger person would generate more force due to having greater mass.
It all equates back to the newtown's second law: Mass X Acceleration = Force.
Mass = Person's size, Acceleration = How fast can the guy punch with solid technique = Force output/damage.
Fitting image to you nerds that can't comprehend without visual aids.
If two objects weigh exactly the same, but one is smaller, the smaller object is considered to have more mass?
mass and weight are different things
It's not difficult to understand unless you've dedicated your entire life to the bench press and now are being told the truth.
The force of your punch comes from your legs sending the force up to your arms, which are essentially just like cables doing what your legs tell them to do. Look up Jack Dempsey's falling step punch. It's about the easiest way I can explain it.
You're wasting your time and weakening yourself, hurting your shoulders, and giving yourself laughably bad poor posture with the bench press.
>You're wasting your time and weakening yourself, hurting your shoulders, and giving yourself laughably bad poor posture with the bench press.
Tell me you never hit 2pl8 without telling me you never hit 2pl8. This reads like one of those fat person posts about how cardio and fasting doesn’t help you lose weight. You keep shilling those sour grapes; I’ll be bench pressing three wheels in the meantime.
Lifting heavy builds fast twitch fibers.
not really, lifting in rep ranges from 2-5 will build mostly slow twitch
I'm going to work my bench up to 300lbs then kick you in the head OP
I'm not taking advice from here anymore
Tell me your entire worldview was destroyed without telling me your entire worldview was destroyed.
this sounds like bullshit but
i personally gained significant punching power from using the rowing machine. granted, that was when i was 19-20 so it may have just been natural development
>instead of your ass and legs.
You do realize you can train bench AND squat? I know it sounds like an insane idea, but I've heard some people can do both, some even throw in deadlift too!!! Its crazy!
>Enjoy weighing your arms and chest down with useless slow-twitch fibers because you're desperate to inflate your ego.
Do you even know the difference between fast twitch and slow twitch fibers? Fast twitch fibers get build from anaerobic activities, so unless you're doing 30+ reps on bench, you're hitting the fast twitch fibers. Slow twitch fibers get hit from aerobic activities, like cardio for example. Fucking moron
you're so dumb, fast twitch gets built explosive lifts like cleans
you're so fucking stupid
overrated study that ultimately only shows that people who have a good punch will have a good bench, but it DOESN'T show that getting a good punch is through benching
it's like saying people with a massive jerk will have a good bench, so train the bench
>The main finding was that RA PVmax was correlated with the BP velocity at all submaximal intensities (p < 0.05). Nevertheless, LA PVmax did not correlate with BP velocity at any intensity.
shit study
>you're so dumb, fast twitch gets built explosive lifts like cleans
Holy shit, am I talking to an actual gremlin? The difference between fast twitch and slow twitch is anaerobic and aerobic. That's LITERALLY it. Rate of force production has NOTHING to do with it at all, zilch, nada. Slow twitch gets built by AEROBIC activities, you know, running, swimming, etc. Fast twitch gets built by anaerobic activities, like lifting weights. You have no clue what you're talking about, and you have no business giving anyone advice. Get the fuck off this baord you troglodyte
>overrated study that ultimately only shows that people who have a good punch will have a good bench
So where is the evidence that increasing the bench decreases punching power if the people with good punching power have a good bench?
Strength of the punch mostly comes from proper technique and speed.
Your triceps contribute a lot to your punches and guess what lift hits triceps really well?
Deadass, we need to ban dyel gays like this from IST
Then why does Wilder & Tyson Fury bench in their gym sessions?
Power comes from your legs but heavy bench press makes you used to slow controlled movements whereas you want your punches to be fast and snappy.
Force is mass times acceleration. Provided you’re doing something to either increase mass or speed, subsequently the force you generate would also increase. Thanks for the low effort post, retard.
Looks like you're slow-twitch in the brain too. Or maybe you just got punched in the head too many times because you bench too much.
the other anon is still correct and you said nothing to support your point.
No he's not. Increase mass in the chest will just slow you down. Fake math won't help you here.
>faster punch = harder punch
this is just wrong
Ok you have a very strong slow punch. Good job! You can stop crying now.
Correct. Now you can laugh at every heavy bench presser in the gym.
It's really not assuming mass is the same.
Damage is basically: Mass x Acceleration = Force. Newtown's second law:
According to the laws of physics a faster punch would generate more force than a slower punch, provided the weight of the object (fist, arm, body, etc.) is equal.
you can punch faster OR add more weight and punch with the same speed. the results are the same.
Punching faster is easier and more approachable for most people compared to adding mass.
I have 3pl8 bench, a black belt, national and international competition experience, and three college degrees, including coursework in kinesiology and research statistics. Learn how physics work. A thread died for your lazy, dumb greentezt non-theory. Go be stupid somewhere else.
Erudite idiot. Keep coping.
>implying i go to the gym to be a moron and punch people
>I go to the gym so I can grow tits and have men slap my gf's ass and do nothing about it!
Good for you. I can see how much this truth is hurting you.
I feel like benchpress does jack shit btu I still have some fat over my chest
am I doing it wrong or should I keep doing it since I cant see result yet?
If you insist on doing bench press, do them fast. But training for chest hypertrophy with bench? Enjoy being a posturing weak manchild.
>hardest punch ever recorded
>total chestlet
oh... wait...
> Roidmonkey.
Point defeated.
he's an mmalet, not a boxer
He still has the hardest recorded punch. Keep seething
Mile tyson only did calisthenics besides barbell shrugs and neck curls.
2,000 air squats, 2,500 sit-ups, 500 push-ups, 500 bench dips, 500 neck curls, 500 barbell shrugs, and ten minutes of wrestler bridges. A hard punch comes fromthe twisting of the torso and pushing off your back foot to put your body weight behind your punch.
aint nobody know shit how he actually trained, also he is roided the fuck out
Yeah and look at his little noodle arms and total absence of a chest. Hip and leg torque is a big part of it, sure, but other things equal, a person who can generate more force with the triceps and chest will hit harder. At some point the arm has to extend outward, not just swing like a baseball bat.
>tyson
>noodle arms
Pick 1
Honestly can't tell on IST because some powershitters have serious body dysmorphia.
Chest muscle will only help if you build fast twitch muscle fibers. Low rep benches are too slow, you have to do exercises that increase speed. Having mass is only half the equation, speed is needed to give more velocity to your punches and more punches per combo. Chest does help though if you train speed, ever seen ali’s phantom punch in like 200ms. Huge contraction from the pecs to bring that one in.
Power is speed AND strength tard, weight is actually quite important also.
Nofights need to understand that just like in vidya there are light, fast punches which open up the opponent to harder and slower ones (slower because more body weight is used)
This is why the 1-2 drill (generally) uses the left hand for the first strike - it is mainly intended to weaken and disorientate the opponent.
Mike Tyson’s strength was his skill. He didn’t win because of extraordinarily strong punches but because of being very difficult to hit and good at getting his punches to hit the opponent.
You've never thrown a punch in your life, OP, why are you making gay shit up like this?
Bench pressers have spent YEARS thinking a big chest and arms signals that they are the strongest dudes but it's basically the opposite. If you want to know if a guy punches hard look at his legs and ass (no homo).
*increases your grip strenght.
>punching power
why would I care when I have a 9mm with me?
Bench press sisters, I don't feel so good...
a few decades down the line he'll realize that power can come from anywhere. some guys can do the whole leg drive twist your hip close your fist on impact punch through the target yaddi yadda and not come close to breaking an egg. other guys can knock out a horse with an arm punch. it is what it is
Power is generated from the hips in literally every sport, ever, retard.
how do some people knock out others with jabs then?
Holy fuck, you really are retarded. Every effective jab ever, as well as every other punch or kick, starts from the hips. There has never been a jab that didn't get power from torque in the hips.
correct, it shouldn't be controversial to say this
You're full of shit. I'm a semi pro boxer in the UK and can confirm that increasing upper body strength also increases punching power.
The lats are particularly good at this.
So much seethe caused, maybe OP is correct. Admittedly, cant deny I wasnt the retard thinking heavy bench increases punching power
Why would an adult need punching power if you are not a paid fighter? Are you a middle schooler looking to fight a school bully?
https://journals.lww.com/nsca-jscr/Fulltext/2020/02000/Relationship_Between_Bench_Press_Strength_and.3.aspx?context=FeaturedArticles&collectionId=1
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also gymcel hate thread
follow louie simmons and bench for power at 80% weight going as fast as possible.
>He doesn't do explosive benchpresses where he throws the barbell up in the air and claps before catching it
Enjoy your shit ROM
Even in martial arts places that do not encourage weightlifting they do literally thousands of pushups over the course of a year. Doesn't matter if it is karate, muay thai, boxing etc.The pushup is basically a less efficient bench press so...
vladimir klitschko
heavyweight champion
nickname: dr. ironfist
dumbbell benchpress photo evidence
OP is retarded
counterpoint: vitaly did not punch as hard as his reputation suggests
Present actual evidence that raising the bench press lowers punching power or else you are making baseless conjecture
i dont really care about this but youre calling him dr. ironfist like it means something. vitaly was rather featherfisted for his size. you must be thinking of his brother
i remember seeing Fedor Emelianenko use a 20kg bar and uses it to punch forward like a OHP and that greatly improves punching power