What is the true path out of Skinnyfat hell?

>no muscle to lose when cutting
>muscle gained less effectively due to shitty p-ratio
>recomp is like pulling teeth with slower gains and slower fat progress
My gut says to cut, but is that the right way?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It depends on how fat you are, obviously

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      150lbs, ~17% right now

      • 2 months ago
        SwedishBrorsan

        Are you a manlet?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yes.

          You're probably higher than 17.

          Maybe, but I'm using the /fat/ calculator to measure. It's less about the hard number and more about the ability to track

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Never listen to wathever this namegay retard has to say

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        You're probably higher than 17.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >5'8.5''
    >163lbs
    >18% bodyfat

    I've decided to cut until I reach 12% bf. I know i'll lose strength and muscles but i'm so god damn fucking tired of 'forever bulking'.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not op, but I have the same question.
    Sat on my ass, eating chips and drinking my sorrows away for the past two years. Had enough of looking like a dumpster fire and decided to start going to the gym about a month ago.
    I've kinda been leaning towards just trying to build as much muscle over the next 6 months or so and begin cutting after that, but I really don't want to get fatter.
    What would IST do?
    I'm 6'3, not sure what I weigh since I don't have a scale, but it was about 170-180 last time I checked I think, don't think I've gotten much fatter since then.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      OP here. I think I'm going to follow this protocol:
      https://www.reddit.com/r/leangains/comments/ocd8oi/skinny_fat_what_do_a_guide/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
      It would mean 7 weeks of a cut if I'm losing an average of 0.75% of bodyweight per week.

      [...]

      In the grander scheme, yes. However I'm trying to factor in efficiency of gains as well as psychology -- which would be more motivating to easily commit to: the progress of the lifts, or some visible improvements in appearance.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >reddit
        just kys already man

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Trying too hard to fit in.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            go back chud

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >6'3''
      Tall people have a harder time looking good to begin with. 170-180lbs is normal weight for that height. You just have horrible composition. IMHO you should neither cut nor bulk. Just eat at maintenance with high protein / low carb diet while lifting and your body will recomp.

      Body recomposition isn't a meme, especially if you're just getting into (or returning to) lifting.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Body recomposition isn't a meme
        retard

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          good rebuttal, glad you posted

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's all you deserve

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              you sound like a 14 year old gay

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                no u

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Why do people believe this? Are you fucking stupid mate?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            the problem with it is you'll never get big by eating at maintenance, by definition, otherwise it wouldn't be maintenance. particularly if your small. secondly, its inefficient relative to bulking and cutting, and will likely lead to people spinning their wheels. at least if they cut or bulk, they'd see measurable progress in a particular direction in an appreciable amount of time.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              I think maingaining is stupid but that is fundamentally different from a recomp. Telling fat people to bulk just doesn't sit right with me. Noobs don't know what they're doing. He's doughy and untrained enough that his body will use that fat for energy. The whole idea he's gonna waste his noob gains by properly dieting is fear mongering imo.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              is the goal to get fat or to get a good physique?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          fat and muscle are two completely different tissues able to change size independently of one another made up of completely different nutrients, so why would recomp be a meme?
          where do you think your body gets its energy when you're eating a caloric deficit besides the food in your diet and your own fat stores? muscles are terrible sources of energy and as long as you're eating enough protein and using your muscles you will grow muscle it just won't be the "muscle gains" bulkingtards are used to such as 80% fat gain and 20% "lean mass" +500 kcal surplus dreambulks.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        yes it is. If he's new, he's just shooting himself in the foot by being inefficient with his newb gain potential. should aim for a .5lb surplus.

        https://i.imgur.com/Y6H9ftC.png

        Not op, but I have the same question.
        Sat on my ass, eating chips and drinking my sorrows away for the past two years. Had enough of looking like a dumpster fire and decided to start going to the gym about a month ago.
        I've kinda been leaning towards just trying to build as much muscle over the next 6 months or so and begin cutting after that, but I really don't want to get fatter.
        What would IST do?
        I'm 6'3, not sure what I weigh since I don't have a scale, but it was about 170-180 last time I checked I think, don't think I've gotten much fatter since then.

        Cut decently hard for 1 month, not too long. or cut slower ( 1lb per week ) for 2 months. Then bulk slow, really slow. 150-250 cal surplus. take your time, enjoy lifting, it'll come with time. track your lifts. make sure either reps, or weight is moving upward over the weeks and months. Cut when you get too fat for your tastes, however bulk for at least 5-6 months minimum. even if you binge like a tard, endure for a sufficient enough amount of time to actually build an appreciable amount of mass..

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah I am tracking things, made some decent progress in this short time, but that's to be expected I guess. I am a noob but it's not my first time setting foot in a gym, and I'm making much faster progress now than last time so that's encouraging.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        As far as diet goes I have been focusing on getting lots of protein and cutting back on carbs a bit, cook everything myself, don't eat any goyslop. Well, I'm not looking worse than I did a month ago anyway, so that's a good thing.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you want to get big you're going to have to do many bulk/cut cycles over several years so whether you start your lifting career on a bulk or a cut is ultimately totally irrelevant.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    if you have high t, when you cut, you just lose bf% and maintain muscle mass, if you have low t you are skinnyfat, if you try to cut you will just even worse since you will lose the little muscle mass you have.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >p-ratio
    W..what's a p ratio?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Excessive sciency shit, dubious at best. claim is that when your gaining mass, the leaner individuals body preferentially puts on more lean mass than that of a fatter person. The difference however is marginal, and is really only of a concern to scientists and elite elite bodybuilders.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don't know what it specifically stands for (I think it's "protein-sparing ratio") but its the ratio of changes of a specific kind of mass relative to bodyweight changes. If you base the p-ratio on your LBM changes, then having a low p-ratio is better for cutting but a high ratio better for gaining.
      Generally it's a relation to how efficient you are at gaining muscle and gaining/losing fat

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        nice trips. but my answer is still the better. It's asinine for someone with no appreciable muscle mass to be concerned with something like p-ratio or anything on the bleeding edge of research

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      peepee:poopoo

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Cope

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    skinnyfat isnt real
    do you want to put muscle or do you want to cut fat
    the choice is yours

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Each person who’s looking for this answer on IST in 2022 will never make it.

    The amount of resources for basic questions like this out there is staggering.

    Just start doing SS or stronglifts, learn what progressive overload is and keep hitting the gym for 2 years. It’s literally that fucking simple. Not even your diet matters.

    The catch? None of you gays will stay consistent.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >reddit
      don't come back.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      So you're telling me I can get jacked by doing that and only eating lettuce? Cool!

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Recovering skinnyfat here. I’ve been yo-yo-ing between cutting and bulking for the last couple of years having minimal success.
    I’ve decided to pick one and stick to one, so I’ve gone with cutting. I feel better, my facial aesthetics look good, and I’m starting to look good shirtless.
    When I’ve reached a low enough bf% I’ll just be careful and eat at maintenance while lifting. I’m not risking another bulk.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I’ll just be careful and eat at maintenance while lifting. I’m not risking another bulk.
      Lmfao, good luck with that you dyel gay.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      get sufficiently lean, and eat at or 150-200 above maintenance, or cycle, maintenance on off days, and slight surplus on lifting days. do 3-4 week mini cuts every 5-6 months.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    When people say that you have to bulk to gain muscles, they are talking about very lean and trained individuals. This doesn't apply to (somewhat) fat people with no muscles at all.

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