What makes bad food bad?

Ok Im really trying to keep up, but so far Im getting that
>apparently fat isnt bad
>apparently carbs arent bad
>apparently calories arent bad
>gluten is only bad if you have celiacs
So what is it the sugar and preservatives? Am I wrong?

  1. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Avoid added sugar and processed food. that's all you need to do

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      > processed food
      Processed food doesn't even mean anything, when you make a meal using ingredients you are "processing" them.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        yeah i tuned out at
        >adulterated with vegatable oil
        like show us your skillet lmao my ass off

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          There's a difference between choosing to fry something with vegetable oil, and a manufacturer filling meat with vegetable oil to extend their supply. I guess to be fair the mcdonalds, most reconstituted meat is pumped up with cheap vegetable oil so it isn't like they are unique there.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Good for you

  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Extremely caloric dense for very little nutritional value
    Cholesterol
    Salt
    Preservatives and sugars, as you stated, too.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      The only people in the world who think saturated fat isn't bad for you are on this web site which should tell you something.
      Also what said

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        tyranny fat is bad, sat fats are good, especially from things like fish, olive oil, walnuts, etc

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        this is what the rest of the world is btway

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >all those dotted lines assuming projections
          >korea and not specifying worst korea
          >why these specific countries?
          >implying the classification of overweight didn't change over 50 years
          shit chart, gay

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >saturated fat
        It isn't bad. The problem is that these fast food places (especially McDonald's) use a fuck ton of poly-unsaturated fats

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The only people in the world who think saturated fat isn't bad for you are on this web site which should tell you something.
        Not an argument.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      salt is also essential, and if you get "too much" you should notice like immediately (dehydration)

      The only people in the world who think saturated fat isn't bad for you are on this web site which should tell you something.
      Also what said

      fat is burned to create muscle. Only dyels think fat is bad.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        > fat is burned to create muscle
        No it isnt

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          still not bad for you either unless excessive. You cant go without it completely.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You cant go without it completely.
            It’s virtually impossible to “go without it”. All Whole Foods even fruit has fat in it

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Cholesterol is healthy. Eggs are literally the healthiest food in existence. Dietary cholesterol has nothing to do with blood cholesterol.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        > Dietary cholesterol has nothing to do with blood cholesterol.
        Wrong

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Wrong. Dietary cholesterol has about 25% impact on blood cholesterol.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, but there are multiple kinds of blood cholesterol and it's not all bad.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        can you give me a link that explains the floating eggs thing for safely eating raw eggs. I had a couple people explain it to me and I was too retarded to understand what they were telling me to do

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Same shit you can notice when boiling eggs.

          If you put an egg in water and it stays at the bottom, it's good. If it floats to the top, you're playing poker with the devil.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            ok thank you simple enough. Im going to drink some eggs soon

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Just avoid processed food.

      Cholesterol and salt are fine. Although I think it's a good idea to replace your table salt with LoSalt (50/50 potassium/sodium salt).

      fat is good, saturated and trans fats are bad
      most processed foods have way too much sodium

      Saturated and monounsaturated fat is healthy. Better than polyunsaturated fat, especially when it's heated.

      > Dietary cholesterol has nothing to do with blood cholesterol.
      Wrong

      True, but less dietary cholesterol won't do anything for heart disease risk. And even if your diet contains zero cholesterol, your body will still produce it.

      Wrong. Dietary cholesterol has about 25% impact on blood cholesterol.

      It's not a fixed percentage. It depends on your diet, your physical activity, and your genetics.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        > but less dietary cholesterol won't do anything for heart disease risk
        Wrong

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          There's no evidence for that. And no, weak epidemiological correlation "studies" using flawed data from food frequency questionnaires are not evidence.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            > There's no evidence for that
            Wrong

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              >posts no evidence to counter his claim
              yeah I'm going to need a source on that

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Based wrongposter

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >heckin pased!!

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Cringe seetheposter

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Fag

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous
        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Fag

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Polyunsaturated fat isn't good or bad. Omega-3 is extremely good, which is present in fish and eggs. Omega-6 is bad in the abundance the modern american diet gives, drowning in high omega-6 seed oils.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Polyunsaturated fat isn't good or bad.
          It's good unheated in low amounts and in a balanced ratio. See image related. It's bad in high amounts, heated, and in a high ratio.
          >Omega-3 is extremely good
          Only in low(ish) amounts.
          >Omega-6 is bad in the abundance the modern american diet gives, drowning in high omega-6 seed oils.
          Yes, especially deep fried shit.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Cholesterol is involved in the structure of atheroscelrosis plaques, but they're not the underlying cause, which is blood glucose spikes and insulin resistance which cause inflammation. You're blaming the brick for the broken window, and they're essential buildimg blocks of hormonal systems and cell membrane structure.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      This

      https://i.imgur.com/4A8aJdB.jpg

      Ok Im really trying to keep up, but so far Im getting that
      >apparently fat isnt bad
      >apparently carbs arent bad
      >apparently calories arent bad
      >gluten is only bad if you have celiacs
      So what is it the sugar and preservatives? Am I wrong?

      Also just use common sense? If a food looks unhealthy and the ingredients seem unhealthy it probably is unhealthy. Healthy food have micros like vitamins, minerals etc. besides the calories and macros.

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    They're calorie dense but have little nutrition

  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Everything is good in moderation. Even too much broccoli can fuck up your intestines for two weeks if you're not used to it. That being said some things are to be avoided if you're trying to lose weight for example

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      im trying to GAIN weight

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        then eat calorically high healthy foods such as nuts

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          like deez nuts

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sugar is the enemy. Minimize carbs without killing yourself. It's that simple.

  6. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    fat is good, saturated and trans fats are bad
    most processed foods have way too much sodium

  7. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    all these arguments are proving the OP right

  8. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    99% of the fast fod you eat is filler.
    >Fries
    >Bigass soda
    Just eat the sammich.
    My favorite is a double bacon jalapeno from five guys.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Agree with this if I go to mcdonalds, It's 2 mcdoubles like a mac, no fries. maybe coffee.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      five guys is cookout for fags

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >cookout
        Midwesterner detected. Must suck living in literal hell.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Indiana in the summer was comfy as hell when I lived there. I miss walking home from the gym in the evening with the fireflies out.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          im in south carllina, jackass

  9. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Basically, It's half a days calories for zero Percent of your nutritional needs.

    that's why it's called junk food, It will provide sustenance, but not nourishment.

  10. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    It’s the lack of nutrients among other things. Example eggs have fat cholesterol etc. also vitamin D and Leutein…then you got complex carbs that take more energy to digest. 100 calories of carrots isn’t the same as 100 cal of candy. Insulin spikes and insulin sensitivity can be fucked I’d you eat junk food. Etc etc

  11. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you're too stupid to know why it's bad for you it's not my problem. Eat up piggie.

  12. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >seed oils = awful
    >soii/xenoestrogens = awful
    >msg = bad
    >sugar = bad
    >processed = bad
    = amazing
    >protein = Good
    >salt = good
    >eating under maintenance calories = good
    > fats = good for hormonal health but very calorie dense
    >carbs = good for energy but what you should cut down the most on, also gluten will make you bloat whether you have celiac or not
    >yogurt = good for digestive health
    >micronutrient = amazing
    >getting all your protein and micronutrients with a little healthy fats and some carbs for energy while eating below or at maintenance = goal

    Now a quick rundown on micronutrient autism
    >generally recommended you get these via diet, most can be found in stuff like broccoli, other green veggies, onions, eggs, good quality red meat, liver & organ meats
    >getting it via food will likely mean it absorbs better, but supplementation may be worth it for some
    >omega 3s are a very important nutrient that the vast majority of Americans are consuming very little of. Highly recommend you supplement with fish oil pills if you don’t eat a lot of fish. I literally noticed myself becoming less depressed and having clearer skin after taking them
    >zinc is important for test
    >magnesium will help energy levels and mood
    >vitamin d (get your sunlight)
    >vitamin b does a lot of stuff, would consider taking a complex pill worth it

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      FYI my rule is try to get about as many grams of protein as you are in body weight, but you could probably get by with 150g as your bare minimum if you’re a newbie lifter

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        *as you have pounds in body weight. So I’m 170 pounds so I’ll try to eat 170 grams of protein

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        *as you have pounds in body weight. So I’m 170 pounds so I’ll try to eat 170 grams of protein

        Protein intake is supposed to be based specifically on LEAN MUSCLE MASS, not bodyweight. I wish people would stop getting this wrong.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          i like the enthusiasm of this old boomer meth meme but
          >msg is safer than salt
          >aspartame is only in a few "diet" sodas
          >non "gmo" potatos arent even worth growing outside of a hobby garden

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Unironically defending goyslop
            ngmi.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              i didnt say eat goyslop, most notably I defended MSG. But no dude you have fun with your 50 grams of salt while I enjoy my half gram of MSG.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Sorry, but you hold the inferior position in this argument. I'm gonna have to ask that you refrain from speaking to me any longer. I don't socialize with those who are beneath me.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Very nice post

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Agree with absolutely everything with one exception - MSG. I don't think MSG is that bad for you, in moderation. Can you give some reasons/sauces on why MSG is that bad?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Not him but glutamate is in all meat

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >glutamate
          And? What's wrong with glutamate? It's been a while but with my limited chem knowledge I looked at MSG and think there's nothing dangerous about consuming it. Biggest problem is you just consume too much sodium, tops. Same problem if you eat too much salt, but excess salt isn't that big a deal either, as he said.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >What's wrong with glutamate?
            Literally nothing.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Yep, sounds good to me bro... now

              About aspartame. I have yet to see a IST thread on that

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Aspartame converts to phenylalanine, that's all I know. I use stevia or saccharin when baking

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >What's wrong with glutamate?
            Literally nothing.

            supping glutamate doesnt do anything unless youre doing daily lines of PCP/ketamine
            >because those will leech it out of you

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              on that note, MSG is healthier than salt. Go ahead /fat/, lose your minds.

  13. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    High fructose corn syrup
    Seed oils

  14. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    The further it is from being produced by nature, the worse it is for you. Simple as that.
    Eat shit from a packet less. Remind yourself that most sources of "food" have the bottom dollar value in mind, and not your wellbeing. If you can't easily see how something is produced, it's likely done in a pretty disgusting and unhealthy manner in order to profit.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Midwits will say this is a nature fallacy, but it's a good heuristic. Another one is how far the food has to travel to get to you, and under what conditions.

  15. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    no such thing as bad food. only highly palatable food that people overeat

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Trans fats are fucking horrific and unnatural.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Motor oil masquerading as "food" see

      Replacing saturated fat with industrial PUFAs, which are used in fast food, has been proven to kill people and or cause cancer in RCTs. Ignore the vegan troll

  16. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Replacing saturated fat with industrial PUFAs, which are used in fast food, has been proven to kill people and or cause cancer in RCTs. Ignore the vegan troll

  17. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    idk how historians are gonna say the quiet parts out loud, how all food was "organic" at one point until they got sprayed with atrazine and glyphosate, then the simultaneous obesity, autism and diabetes epidemic which arised from a combination from human cattle eating 5+ times a day and aluminum/mercury spraying in the chemtrails and vaccines, then there was Whole Foods by Amazon which was grocery stores on steroids, hyper-marketing the untainted prepackaged goyslop to a cult of consumerist overpaying hipsters with even more intense brand loyalty who eat too much and don't know how to cook, creating the tier above regular supermarkets which themselves have middleman idiot tax marked up premade packaged food with cartoon characters on them with soibean oil, bugs and high fructose corn syrup made with genetic modification technology selling to less rich overpaying ignorant people who are more drawn in to Tony the Tiger's corn flakes and the StarKist tuna than the butchers and vegetable stands' lack of 7-color mylar bags let alone directly doing business with farms let alone being able to produce their own food

  18. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    pufa

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      enjoy your heart attack

  19. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Saturated fat
    Trans fat
    Seed oils
    High calorie, low satiation and nutrition

  20. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think there's more going on than just saturated vs unsaturated fat, and sugar. Mcdonalds patties are made from reconstituted meat. As well as it being a mix of various beef components that you wouldn't normally cook yourself, they adulterate it with vegetable oil.

    It makes these discussions about impossible burgers a bit funny. The beef patty from the main burger chains are not that far off from an impossible patty. You're just being treated to a small amount of beef sludge instead of whatever they substitute for that in an impossible burger.

  21. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    drink water

  22. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I work in McDonalds (inb4 wage cuck, Idc It’s to support my mum), and the amount of fat people coming in, is insane. I literally take orders of 5+burgers with 1 large fries + 1 meme Diet Coke every 5 minutes. It’s insane the amount of people that order this shit and think they will be healthy. Some of them I see daily, some twice a day.
    Except for 2 other guys my age, the rest of the team is also incredibly fat. Just resist the temptation and don’t eat this.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I commend your bravery putting up with that shitstorm hellhole and the stress you must face for near pennies.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I do afternoon + Night Shift, so I get 2 extra pounds, it’s still shit but enough to get by and get my weekly needs + gym stuff, I am a student and my family is only my mum and I, and unfortunately we have to rent. I don’t want to work here either but it’s my best option right now. But Yh people are disgusting and rude af. Specially both zoomer and boomer women.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Would have expected a response like "eat this not that".
      As far as macros are concerned: a quarter pounder is a pretty good deal.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I worked at McDonald's 15 years ago

      Literally same shit going on. I was amazed at how much I could eat in a shift at half off (2 quarter pounders and 2 large fries with a 10 piece nuggets in between) nothing compared to your average fatty. They literally double my order easy. I was eating it over 8 hours, they were eating it each meal. Sometimes a snack. It's fucking disgusting.

  23. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Eating carbs together with fat is fattening because in presence of carbs, the body will use carbs for energy and shuttle all the fat into body fat.
    Carbs alone won't make you fat because carb intake drives carb oxidation. The body would rather use carbs to produce heat than to produce new body fat.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      The liver produces lipids whenever there's def enough food

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the body will use carbs for energy and shuttle all the fat into body fat. Carbs alone won't make you fat
      tfw there are chicken and cow cells in my belly

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        🙂 eating food should make us feel happy to eat living things as God intended.

  24. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sugar is more addictive than heroin and just makes you crash and get hungry afterwards. Salt makes you thirsty where you then find something to drink. IE Juice/pop which is just sugar water which makes you hungry again and now youre in a loop. The only thing that matters in terms of Weight is CICO. As for "bad" food, generally anything oils or fat that solidifes at room temp is not good. Youll get trace amounts in your blood and that clogs your arteries over time. Trans fat are also legitimately not good and shouldnt be consumed.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >more addictive than heroin
      buddy i appreciate your effort at simile, but no. Heroin provides about 6 hours of what is chemically the greatest pleasure scientists can come up with to this day. Comparing that to sugar is pretty retarded.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Sugar is more addictive than heroin and just makes you crash and get hungry afterwards
      yawn
      >Salt makes you thirsty where you then find something to drink. IE Juice/pop which is just sugar water which makes you hungry again and now youre in a loop
      boring
      >The only thing that matters in terms of Weight is CICO
      lol
      >As for "bad" food, generally anything oils or fat that solidifes at room temp is not good. Youll get trace amounts in your blood and that clogs your arteries over time
      there it is, literal boomer based on this post alone, wake up grandpa it's not 1980 anymore, PUFA is the one that truly nukes your metabolism, not cholesterol or sugar.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        the sugar is more addictive than heroin, or at the same level. is such a retarded arguement. its always made by people who got no clue, and its based if taking data from MRI studies that shouldnt be taken from em. and this analogy explain it perfectly:
        "Saying sugar/food is as addictive as drugs, cause they activate the same areas in the brain; is like comparing your kids water pistol with a firehose from a firetruck, cause they both squirt water"

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          its because these people have never tried drugs before and have zero idea what the "physical dependency" aspect of addiction is. Thats for another thread though. As you said, sugar is not nearly the same "addiction" as drugs unless youre literally fucking diabetic lol out loud

  25. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What makes bad food bad?
    it's always fat

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      garden gnome

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        yes they promote high fat fads

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Post nose

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Keep trying, small hat.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            What in the name of god does that graph mean??? In what world are M&Ms better than ground beef???

  26. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >lack of nutrients
    >too many calories (if you’re fat otherwise no big deal)
    >highly processed (microplastics and other forms of contamination)
    >sneed oils are supposedly bad for some reason I’m not aware of
    >questionable source of meat (beef is 30% chicken assholes and pink slime)

  27. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >apparently fat isnt bad
    fat isn't bad, no.
    >apparently carbs arent bad
    carbs are pretty bad, you should consume them in limited quantities. vegans will disagree but that's because 95% of their diet is carbohydrates. there's some nuance here that should be mentioned; you can have "complex carbs" which are starches like rice, potatoes, and pasta but even these should be eaten in limited quantities. the thing that vegans don't understand is that you can eat a largely vegetarian diet that is also quite restrictive on the carbs. generally you want to stay away from refined carbohydrates like sugar.
    >apparently calories arent bad
    so basically some scientists in a room somewhere take a food item and burn it in an incinerator and this results in a number which is determined by how long it took to completely burn at a given temperature. that number is what calories represent. they're not that relevant to you honestly, you should pay attention more to the quality of food and how your body responds to it.
    >gluten is only bad if you have celiacs
    lol don't know shit about gluten, my understanding is that some people can't process gluten, hence they have to eat "gluten-free alternatives" and then some other people took this advice as though it was yet another fad diet.
    So what is it the sugar and preservatives? Am I wrong?
    sugar is poison. your body wants to stay in homeostasis, that is it wants a stable blood glucose level, regular sleep cycle, and other markers of healthy and stable living. when you eat sugar, you blood glucose levels skyrocket, then the pancreas needs to produce a fuckload of insulin to bring them back down. insulin is a fat storage hormone, so it takes all that excess glucose out of your blood and stores it as fat. most everything you eat will produce an insulin response, it's a normal part of digestion, but it becomes a problem if you're provoking a response multiple times a day.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >so basically some scientists in a room somewhere take a food item and burn it in an incinerator and this results in a number which is determined by how long it took to completely burn at a given temperature. that number is what calories represent. they're not that relevant to you honestly, you should pay attention more to the quality of food and how your body responds to it.
      if theres one thing that surprised me about research; it is how consistently researchers manage to predict weightloss, weightgain and maintances, with CICO. now the alternative is the insulin carb model. why dont you look up how good that model is for weight prediction. its so bad is a joke. its less accurate than CICO.
      People think CICO doesnt work cause of a few neglible effects. then argue that other models are better way way bigger flaws, and theyre way more inaccurate.
      The whole world of Bodybuilding proves that CICO works

  28. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    industrial waste is processed so it becomes tasteless and odorless and sold as food when it is actually poison
    eat clean, never buy fast food or processed shit
    also plastic everywhere, avoid foods in hot plastic

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >eat clean, never buy fast food or processed shit
      i agree on this part
      >and sold as food when it is actually poison
      if you read research its clear that its not poison. its not something good, but saying its poison is dumb. not only cause that is not what research says, but your fundamental lack of understanding what poison is, is obvious. poison is made by the dose, not the substance.

      >also plastic everywhere, avoid foods in hot plastic
      you should avoid plastic, but if you look up where you get most of it from; youll see that it comes from preparation in your own home, mostly. even when compared to filterfeeders, in the ocean
      https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29604577/#:~:text=The%20mean%20number%20of%20MPs,(SE)%20per%20mussel).&text=By%20comparison%2C%20the%20risk%20of,particles%2FY%2Fcapita).
      >By comparison, the risk of plastic ingestion via mussel consumption is minimal when compared to fibre exposure during a meal via dust fallout in a household (13,731-68,415 particles/Y/capita).

  29. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Vegetable oil isn't food, it isn't rated for consumption, it belongs in your car, stop eating it.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      show us how shitty your skillet is

  30. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Racist chuds, everyone knows fast food is fine for you

  31. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    AHHHHHHHHHHH, EVERYONES SAYING DIFFERENT SHIT, JUST SAY ALL FOOD IS GOOD IN MODERATION!!!!

  32. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    high fat, high card, high salt, high sugar, low fibre, low protein. burgers would be ok if you didn't eat the fries or soda and removed the bun. I'd add some fibre with some veggies

  33. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    fat isn't bad but a bunch of fried food is bad. too much fat and not from a good source. If you just get the burgers and not ones slathered in sauce and fried onion rings then you're fine.

  34. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Would it be bad to drink this everyday for long term health?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >contains onions

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