what's the best diet?

if even the experts can't agree(the people who study this stuff day in day out for a living), what hope is there for the layman to get to the bottom of this?

so what is it? keto? standard american diet? fruitarian diet? mediterranean diet? atkins diet? fodmap diet? the possibilities are endless and i just want a clear cut answer that's true.

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >what's the best diet?
    Little bit of this, little bit of that. Just get enough protein.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >little bit of that
      homosexual. Research has proven over and over that that is safe to consume even in large quantities.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Nice

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Nutritional research is really really bad.
    In order to find out if X lifestyle choice/food choice results in X outcome (say cancer for example), without a shadow of a doubt, in order to PROVE this hypothesis, you would have to:
    >take identical twins and lock them away in separate labs from birth
    >control every single aspect of their lives including activities, education, human interaction, diet, medication, fricking EVERYTHING save one factor that you wanted to know about
    >now you wait 50 years
    >if there is a different outcome then your experiment was a success!
    >if not you wasted two humans' lives and freedom and all that money and 50 years of time for the researchers
    Are you beginning to see the problem? Every nutrition study is basically a weak experiement (MUCH more toned down version of this can't possibly control all the variables) or observation. You cannot determine causation from a correlation and observational research can only show correlation. Experiments that don't control every variable are still not air-tight and it is impossible to control every variable (see above).
    You will doubtless get lots of replies to this thread telling you that "experts say this" or "obviously bro the evidence points to this". These are all ignorance or lies. There is no evidence in human nutritional science that adds up to anything significant. None whatsoever.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I don't get it. Why haven't scientists done this with some third worlder or poor first world twins?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >without a shadow of a doubt, in order to PROVE this hypothesis
      You have zero knowledge of how science works. It’s not some moronic philosophical project. There is no certainty anywhere in any science. It is all a statistical asymptotic effort towards sureness with “fairly convinced” being good enough for the softer sciences. If your requirements were reasonable we’d have no medicines whatsoever. Go live in a fkng cave if you really believe that. But for the non-autist, statistical significance is a fine enough tool to dictate most beliefs.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Fair enough. I believe you have to make your own decisions. But you cannot disprove the fact that there is no real fact spoken about human nutrition, and all the big organizations do it anyway in an irresponsible way.
        That's why I choose to make my own decisions.

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Hours of research always leads me back to Ray Peat's advice.
    >150g, give or take, of animal-based proteins a day
    >decent amount of carbohydrates for optimal thyroid health and the thyroid prefers glucose (just like the rest of your body) so sucrose is the GOAT
    >saturated fats and cholesterol needs to be high for optimal androgens, which help you build muscle much better than just "getting enough protein." Protein alone is not very anabolic.
    >endocrine supplementation such as preg, progesterone and dhea for anti-catabolism and youthful effects
    >caffeine is an adaptogen
    >sodium is an essential human nutrient
    >gut serotonin (endotoxin) responsible for many inflammatory and autoimmune disorders
    You can find all the citations from haidut.me which is a scientific blog that finds evidence of these theories.

    Or if this is too much then I guess the vertical diet is fine even though he sneaks in personal opinions in there like "COFFEE BAD BECAUSE ARTIFICIAL ENERGY" while he's injecting grams of steroids and slamming preworkout.

    Not going to argue for it, just look into it and decide for yourself. Anytime I try to talk about this some fatass pops in lecturing us about carbs like it's the carbs and not the fact they're eating 6000kcal a day.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      What about the randle cycle, anon?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Based

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Notice how he refused to acknowledge a simple question that completely decimates his worldview.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >the thyroid prefers glucose (just like the rest of your body) so sucrose is the GOAT
      Sucrose yields half glucose and half fructose, so wouldn't an easily digesting starch (100% glucose) be better?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >thyroid prefers glucose (just like the rest of your body) so sucrose is the GOAT
      No it just has to be burned or stored first because high blood sugar is toxic

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >saturated fats and cholesterol needs to be high
      What's the difference between saturated fats, monosaturated fats and polysaturated fats? I see these terms thrown around day in and day out with no clear explanation.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The amount of hydrogen atoms. It affects the way they behave and how the body processes them. Saturated animal fat also has vitamins A D E K2

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    For performance? Definitely the vertical diet

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's extremely individual. You have 5 things to consider diet wise: sensitivities, allergies, intolerances, ancestry/genetics, and blood work. Sensitivities and allergies have to be done through medical testing. If you don't get these two in check then you'll die and get diseases faster than you ultimately could have. Even small allergies can frick you. Carrageenan is known to cause stomach ulcers in those who are sensitive to it as one example. For a personal example, if I eat kiwis excessively throughout my life, it gives me a higher risk of autoimmune issues and all cause mortality. I avoid them now and I feel better without them (frick you Nippard). Intolerances are a harder one to nail down. Everyone knows about lactose intolerance, but you can be intolerant to any number of sugars, fats, or proteins. It requires very thorough food logging and tracking how you physically and mentally feel in the hours after eating. It's how I figured out I'm intolerant to chicken. My digestion is much better now without it in my diet. I also don't eat sweet potatoes, mushrooms, apples, pears, and cauliflower now because they're abundant in the sugar mannitol, which I don't digest well. It's a common sugar alcohol in general when it comes to fruits and vegetables so I'm wary of my intake. Your genetics also gives you clues as to what you need to eat more/less of. My ancestors were primarily fisherman, hunters, and herders, so I eat more animal products than most and I'm healthier than most for it. There's also genes associated with nutrient metabolism to consider. The gene FUT2 for example affects B12 absorption in the gut. If you have a variant that inhibits absorption, your serum levels could be as low as 60% of what they should be. These people need excessively more B12 or a sublingual supplement. Lastly, monthly or bi-monthly blood work will help you keep everything in check. You don't know what's happening in your body without a full blood panel to make sure.

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    meat and green veg

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    it depends. humans need good protein and fat in their diet. carbs are for easy energy, poverty-cope, variety/pleasure, and/or weight gain. if you're doing a lot of endurance/cardio/performance, you likely need more carbs to fuel it. We evolved to get b12 from our diet, so any truly appropriate diet REQUIRES the consumption of animal products (b12 is the simplest defense of this assertion). NO VEGANISM/FRUITARIANISM.

    if you can, a serious elimination diet can really help you figure out what's best for you. order goes meat > eggs > hard cheese > dairy > non-nightshade/non-starchy veggies > nightshades > starchy veggies/fruits > grains. Research this extensively if you do, as I might have slightly misremembered the order and you'll want to know what you're doing.

    Avoid seed oils and added sugar as much as you can. Which means NO SAD. Whole food diets are superior. The S-tier diet would be raising your own animals (at least chickens and a dairy cow) and tending to a garden of well-chosen plants.

    My autistic researching, personal observation, and personal experience taught me that anything under 150g carbs is better than anything over. I'm less confident about <20g carb diets but common sense and biology suggests they're ideal for weight-loss and maintenance for the vast majority of human beings. Anyone that tells you that meat/eggs are bad is either grossly ignorant or directly profits off this lie.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >We evolved to get b12 from our diet, so any truly appropriate diet REQUIRES the consumption of animal products (b12 is the simplest defense of this assertion). NO VEGANISM/FRUITARIANISM.
      you are mistaken re:b12. our original source for b12 was bacteria found in our water supply. as we moved toward cities with purified water supplies, we began supplementing farm animals with b12 because basically the entire population still consumed at least something from animals. these days it has become a meme because vegans do not consume anything from animals and tend to live in cities with purified water supplies, thus must supplement b12 directly. either way, the 'natural' original source of b12 is removed from most people's diets, and even those who obtain b12 from animal products obtain it because our animals are stuffed to the gills with it.
      >t. formerly vegan

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Carnivore, obviously.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Only accurate response.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Based.

        Eat meat. Not too little. Mostly fat.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Not too much either

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The carnivore shit is a gigantic meme that they're all in on, right? Nobody takes this seriously... r-right?

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    fresh meat, produce, and dairy that you harvested and prepared yourself.

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    eat lots of everything

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >eat lots
      Wrong
      >eat everything
      Also Wrong

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    alot

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The one you like and doesn't have too much Sneed oil

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The best diet is work hard enough you can eat whatever you want.

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The best diet is no g0ysl0p... That's literally it.
    You can eat ANYTHING as long as it's not g0ysl0p.

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Dont follow fad diets. Vegetarianism, keto, carnivore, it's so pointless, people do it just to do it.

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Listen you little wizards. Its a dozen glasses of milk with one eggyolk squished into it. Also eta potatoes, chese, meat, herbs and eggs al cut into small pieces and mixed together. But never EVER eat on wednesday, though!

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >best diet
    Dumb question. You should be concerned with what is the RIGHT diet for your particular needs or goals. Besides avoiding saturated fats, trans fats, and sodium, you can build any diet you want and it will be healthy.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      GobeaBlack folkomewhereelse

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    In terms of health? What humans would strive to eat in nature

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Well the human race hunted mammoths to extinction and there aren't enough elephants to feed 8 billion people. So clearly the only solution is to wipe out 99.9% of the population and mass clone elephants, mammoths, and other mega fauna so we can go back to our hunter-gatherer roots.

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    ray peat

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    the vertical diet is the most well rounded IST diet
    https://www.studocu.com/en-us/document/the-pennsylvania-state-university/careers-in-nutrition/the-vertical-diet-and-peak-performance-3/18980427
    if your diet doesn't get 100% of your micronutrients from food every day its shit

    extreme exclusion diets like keto/carnivore/vegan/vegetarian/fruitarian are all moronic
    if your gonna suggest a diet, post your cronometer nutrition with it

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >eat no x
      >heh your diet doesn't seem to reach the RDA for these nutrients needed for the proper metabolism of x
      not falling for it

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        post nutrition moron

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The only improvement I would suggest to the vertical diet would be to include organ meats. Shit is insanely good for you and pretty cheap

  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    All fad diets boil down to 600 g of meat and 500 g of veggies/fruit in a short window daily.
    E.g. 300 of chicken breast lunch with 300 g of broccoli and 300 of Salmon with two bananas.
    The rest of your Kcal you fill up with peanut butter, rice, and good quality butter.

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    You people are literally moronic. All the experts agree but the fricking illuminati wants to hide what the truth really is.
    If you follow what nature tells you you would know that eating raw meat and drinking babies blood is the only way to live a natural life.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Vegtard

  23. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    This is the perfect approach to diet and the easiest. Adjust total calories down or up based on if you want to bulk or cut.

    200-300g carbs from rice, pasta, oats, potatoes, bread, fruit, berries
    60-100g fat from eggs, meat, fish, olive oil, nuts, butter, cheese, dairy
    150-200g protein from animal sources chicken, wild beasts, fish, eggs, diary
    500g (at least and the more the better) of a combination from as many kinds of various vegetables and fruit and berries as possible
    Avoid the frick out of processed shit.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >bread
      >pasta
      >avoid processed shit
      Oopsie, did you not know that these were processed grain?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Of course. There is degrees to how processed food is. But i think people understand that, you included. Do you have anything worthwhile to say on that topic on where the limit goes on okay processed food vs when its processed so much that its unhealthy?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          No processed carbohydrates whatsoever are healthy. That is my stance.
          Not only do they spike your blood sugar, but they're going to activate the randle cycle unless you're eating very low fat. Both of these are bad for you. Uncontrolled blood sugar is literally toxic to every cell in your body. This is hard science, no bullshit, no getting around it. Every doctor on earth would agree with that statement. That is exactly what eating carbs does, elevates your blood sugar. Continuous randle cycle activation and uncontrolled blood sugar will absolutely cause damage to your body. Again, this is no epidemiology, observational research or anything of the kind. This is a cause and effect hard fact of human biochemistry.

  24. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Feast and fast, in His name, like the Christians of old. Eat humbly (max 2 meals a day, vegan only) on fast days, then feast. Fast during the following times:
    1. Every Wednesday (the day He was betrayed)
    2. Every Friday (the day He was crucified)
    3. The 40 days of Great Lent
    4. The two weeks leading up to the Dormition of Theotokos
    5. The two weeks leading up to Christmas
    Then feast. Fill your plate two-fold with meat, drink wine, thought no more than three kylix in one sitting.
    Trust the time-tested, beware the young and untested; eat no fruits from the past one thousand years, drink nothing from the past four thousand.

  25. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    For maintaining: TCD.

  26. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    minimally process whole foods. So meat and veggies that haven't been processed heavily.

    Avoid or minimize anything else. Also drink half a gallon to a gallon of water a day.

  27. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Its all israelitery to keep you confused OP
    Heres all you really need to know
    The human body is designed to run on plant and animal FATS. You have a very limited storage capacity for glucose (glycogen reserves) and almost unlimited capacity for storing fat.
    The reason you need to store fat is because you are designed to go for periods of time without eating.
    With that out of the way, here is the perfect diet.
    Eat real fricking food. If it has a list of ingredients, or looks processed in any way, don't fricking eat it.
    Cook your food in fat, but NOT FRICKING SEED OILS. Everyone on this earth has been eating plant and animal fats for literally millenia and heart disease was virtually unheard of before seed oils. Use butter, ghee, lard, tallow, coconut oil, olive oil. Accept no substitutes
    Stop eating so frequently. Every now and again, skip breakfast. Go a day or 2 a month without eating.
    Thats it. You don't need crazy diets, slinmworld, keto, vegan none of that bullshit. Just eat real food, cook it in normal fat, and eat more food less often.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Cook your food in fat
      But that is processed? Butter, oil, they all go trough processes to end up the way they are when you use them to cook?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Stop being pedantic butthole
        Butter is processed by vigorously shaking cream
        Tallow is just rendered fat
        You and everyone else knows what I mean when I say processed. If you couldn't do it it in your own kitchen, don't consume it

  28. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Idk the fricking DHHS dietary guidelines for americans diet? If you comply with those you're doing better than most people

  29. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    the reality is there can't be a "best" diet, humans were designed to adapt to their available food sources not to subsist on one thing and one thing only.

    Granted some diets are better than others but to have a good diet you really just have to combine the few things we know for sure and be conscious of them when making food choices. Popular fad diets are almost never the solution.

    >ultra-processed food is almost always bad for you because its designed to turn off your body's satiety index and make you crave more by adding tons of sugar/sodium which instinctually sends your appetite into overdrive. Always check the nutrition label on shit in the frozen aisle and check things like bread for added sugar.
    >dietary fiber is generally good for you and helps you feel satiated and digest food better
    >sufficient protein consumption is required for muscle growth
    >not eating any carbs will make you fatigued despite what ketotards will tell you

    As for things like vitamins/iron and shit it is pretty impossible to be eating a diet that's at or near your TDEE and not have enough of these to be healthy unless you have some genetic defiency. It's only really a concern if you're starving or deliberately fasting.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      oh yeah how can I forget the most important,

      >if you eat more calories than you can burn you will gain weight. If you eat less calories than you can burn you will lose weight. Since ultra-processed, unnatural foods frick with your hunger it is easy to gain weight eating a lot of them.

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