It's not culture war, you don't know your history, and honestly that ignorance might be protecting you. There are parts of history that I wish I did not learn. They ancient elites were sick people and I'm sure not much has changed.
A sector of Greek elites practiced sexual pederasty (not all elites btw) but it was considered shameful by the general population. Yes, homos and pedos have existed since ancient times but the gay paradise modern people think of Greece as is incorrect. I do understand what you're saying tho.
>it was considered shameful by the general population
Literally just fox and sour grapes
You just know the average man would've if he couldve
Like frfr tap that bussy
Pederasty happened like it did for all of history everywhere
But I wasn't gay because they only fucked twinks under 20
Masculine men fucking each other is a bro
A sector of Greek elites practiced sexual pederasty (not all elites btw) but it was considered shameful by the general population. Yes, homos and pedos have existed since ancient times but the gay paradise modern people think of Greece as is incorrect. I do understand what you're saying tho.
It was gay and they preyed on children, which is fucking evil and unnatural. Full stop. They didn't stop there, and now you know and you can't unlearn it. Need to get out of this thread.
>evil
A synthetic declaration >unnatural
Ehhh, it happens pretty often in all mammal species. So nah.
If you don't like something just say, "I personally disagree with this and anyone who I disagree with should die" that's what I do, just own your opinions bro lol
The institution of pederasty had the purpose of teaching and had no inherent sexual qualities. It was frowned upon to have sex with a man, specially to the receiver as attested by Athenian law, which forbade any man who was penetrated from speaking in public and holding any public office (almost all free Athenian men held public office). It was also forbidden for a teacher to be with his student after dawn. The punishment for violating such law was death. You can dig more into it but the TLDR was that homosexuality was seen as abhorrent and shameful and only a few elite men got away with it. The institution of pederasty wasn't inherently sexual and sexual contact with the student was seen as shameful and against the prime purpose of it (education of a great citizen)
>was also forbidden for a teacher to be with his student after dawn
That just proved that everyone was so lustful for bussy you wouldn't even trust a man to be alone with a boy lol
They were down bad frfr
Homosexuality did exist, as it has for most of civilization's history, but it was considered shameful and to the detriment of the participants. For one, the giver was considered intemperate and given into pleasure instead of higher tasks, while the recover was outright removed as a citizen because of the psychological trauma and unreliable nature of them (there was even a word for such people, catamites)
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Anonymous
While the receiver*
Aight I'm out I realize I'm speaking to porn addicted noggers
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Anonymous
I don't watch porn I fuck femboys sometimes tho
Porn is kinda boring like where do I put my dick what do I touch like bro
Just post the youtube video you got these ideas from so that this anon can make his own mind, instead of parroting it as if you studied the subject yourself.
To add to this, Plato, one of, if not the most, eminent greeks of all time and a man respected and revered by his fellow citizens in his own lifetime, explicitly condemns pederasty in his dialogue Symposium. Plato states that, as the soul is separated into a greater (lower/bad) part and a smaller (higher/moral) part, desire and love are separated in the same way. Eros, as Plato calls desire, is of the lower soul. Here falls the carnal lusts and pederasty, which dissolve functional societies and show weakness of character. Philia, or selfless love, is that of the higher soul. It is the love of nation, brother, and good things of the world. Philia is selfless, and proven by Plato to be both moral and the foundation of the perfect Republic. As I said before, the teachings of Plato were popular with the nobles of his time. They were sure to be shared by those who were loyal to Athens.
pt1
If that is not enough, take this quote from Laws: > In truth, Strangers, it seems a difficult thing for State institutions to be equally beyond criticism both in theory and in practice. Their case resembles that of the human body, where it seems impossible to prescribe any given treatment for each case without finding that this same prescription is partly beneficial and partly injurious to the body. [636b] So these common meals, for example, and these gymnasia, while they are at present beneficial to the States in many other respects, yet in the event of civil strife they prove dangerous (as is shown by the case of the youth of Miletus, Bocotia and Thurii);1 and, moreover, this institution, when of old standing, is thought to have corrupted the pleasures of love which are natural not to men only but also natural to beasts. For this your States are held primarily responsible, and along with them all others [636c] that especially encourage the use of gymnasia. And whether one makes the observation in earnest or in jest, one certainly should not fail to observe that when male unites with female for procreation the pleasure experienced is held to be due to nature, but contrary to nature when male mates with male or female with female, and that those first guilty of such enormities were impelled by their slavery to pleasure. And we all accuse the Cretans of concocting the story about Ganymede. [636d] Because it was the belief that they derived their laws from Zeus, they added on this story about Zeus in order that they might be following his example in enjoying this pleasure as well.
Here, Plato shows the widespread disapproval of pederasty shared by all Dorian Greeks. He also shows that many Greeks recognize the myth of Ganymede and Zeus to be corrupted by the non-Nordic inhabitants of Crete, who were the genetic refuse of earlier Bronze age civilizations and perhaps a small Achaean element.
pt. 2
If that is not enough, take this quote from Laws: > In truth, Strangers, it seems a difficult thing for State institutions to be equally beyond criticism both in theory and in practice. Their case resembles that of the human body, where it seems impossible to prescribe any given treatment for each case without finding that this same prescription is partly beneficial and partly injurious to the body. [636b] So these common meals, for example, and these gymnasia, while they are at present beneficial to the States in many other respects, yet in the event of civil strife they prove dangerous (as is shown by the case of the youth of Miletus, Bocotia and Thurii);1 and, moreover, this institution, when of old standing, is thought to have corrupted the pleasures of love which are natural not to men only but also natural to beasts. For this your States are held primarily responsible, and along with them all others [636c] that especially encourage the use of gymnasia. And whether one makes the observation in earnest or in jest, one certainly should not fail to observe that when male unites with female for procreation the pleasure experienced is held to be due to nature, but contrary to nature when male mates with male or female with female, and that those first guilty of such enormities were impelled by their slavery to pleasure. And we all accuse the Cretans of concocting the story about Ganymede. [636d] Because it was the belief that they derived their laws from Zeus, they added on this story about Zeus in order that they might be following his example in enjoying this pleasure as well.
Here, Plato shows the widespread disapproval of pederasty shared by all Dorian Greeks. He also shows that many Greeks recognize the myth of Ganymede and Zeus to be corrupted by the non-Nordic inhabitants of Crete, who were the genetic refuse of earlier Bronze age civilizations and perhaps a small Achaean element.
pt. 2
I'm the anon you replied to. Great effortpoast. I'd also like to add his and Xenophon's portrayals of Socrates. His dismissal of any sexual advances made by his students (him being a model for the great Greek intellectual aswell as their spokesperson for their ideas in their dialogues) showing the importance of temperance and denial of carnal pleasure for its own sake, gay sex being an example of it.
Plenty of reasons. Ancient Greece was one of the first ancient civilizations to put so much emphasis in athleticism. Being a capable athlete correlated with a capable warrior correlated with a capable citizen. Athleticism was also semi-mandatory for nobility. Their religion also favored physical training, whereas other religions tend to relate training to vanity or not conducive to spiritual growth. Naturally, their religion frequently portrayed heroic deeds portrayed by mortals, demigods and gods alike.
These were two of the main reasons which allowed athleticism to flourish in ancient Greece, but it's thanks to the arts (poetry, pottery, theater, sculpture) that we can appreciate their values 2500 years later. Since ancient Greece was the first society to put so much emphasis in athleticism and was also the beginning of western civilization it is no wonder modern people can connect so easily with something so antiquated. If you want to learn more about the beliefs of ancient Greeks look into arete (αρετή) and kalokagathia (καλοκαγαθία) >tldr
Society and religion were integral in inspiring citizens to become better warriors and humans in general through working out
The Turks even today are known for their all-male nude bath houses in which very similar things occur. Turks and Greeks are very bitter rivals, but they are human beings not cockroaches. Just wish that Istanbul was Constantinople tbh.
The western philosophy was as obsessed about being athletic as the east was about being good at exams. Sadly, both are corrupted now, with cheating roidgays and exam cheaters.
Because being fit makes you a lot better at fighting wars, especially when you are fighting with spears. They also created much of the foundation of Western Civilization, including Western thought, philosophy, democracy, science, geometry, and many other things. They also liked to work out in ancient all-male gymnasiums nude and compete in the all-male ancient Olympics nude as well. Of course they did a lot of male buttblasting as well but that's common knowledge. The Romans were not so different but then they became Christians.
Struggle makes you strong period, you cannot grow strong without struggle
Gay Greeks is a modern myth
Bro you are lucky that you don't know, I wish I could unlearn the sick shit that the elites have done since ancient times, because it's much worse than you realize
What's the deal with fitness bros and antisocial behavior? We should be brothers but everyone is scared of each other, or assholes because they got hurt a long time ago.
>Tfw maximum lifting power when a fellow gym bro sees me and just says hi
Well, there were two cases in history where a country expressed great interest in its citizens being physically fit. One of those, for now, has been in a bad spotlight in current culture.
Greeks were obsessed with physical culture and the agonal competitions were an obsession for them. 2 of their most important gods, Apollo and Heracles, were intrinsically related to physical culture and the Agon. Greeks were notably obsessed with the muscular male form in art, to the point that they're largely credited with being the first people to do perfectly anatomically accurate musculature in sculpture that we know of. Greco-buddhists in Bactria were also, as far as many historians theorize, the first to depict the Buddha in human form, the human form being so intrinsic to the Greeks' cultural expression.
Renaissance sculptors sought to emulate the greeks in their creation of accurate and muscular sculptures. Modern physical culture, starting with the strongmen of the late 19th century, were very much inspired by Greek and Renaissance physical ideals and this has carried on into the bodybuilding of the present day. Bodybuilding champion is called Mr. Olympia for a reason.
You should read the Greeks and Greek Civilization by Jacob Burckhardt. Also read pic rel if you want the 411 on modern gymbro's spiritual reawakening with ancient Greece, this guy is their spiritual leader
>Also read pic rel if you want the 411 on modern gymbro's spiritual reawakening with ancient Greece, this guy is their spiritual leader
Haven't read Bronze Age Mindset, but if the opinions the author expresses outside of it are any indication of it's quality, I would rather not. Bronze Age Pervert is a civic nationalist and therefore a retard. Does he actually say anything of worth in it?
It's literally like 100 pages long just read it. Here:
https://pdflake.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Bronze-Age-Mindset-PDF.pdf
Reminder this isn't a book of politics or philosophy, it's miscellaneous schizophrenic thoughts written in caveman grammar, and this triggers academic wordcels to the point of seething violent rage
>civic nationalist
Fucking lel, yeah that's a good way of putting it. Civic nationalist but only after millions have been killed and the nudist warrior aristocrats have removed all rights from women and enslaved any brownoids or Han chinese still living
>Civic nationalist but only after millions have been killed and the nudist warrior aristocrats have removed all rights from women and enslaved any brownoids or Han chinese still living
dangerously based
Also wanted to add to this that the Greek obsession with physical culture and their own warriors aristocracies also manifested in their eugenics practices. Each Greek city-state was its own eugenics project. Spartans all looked like Dolph Lundgren clones and were all severely autistic and the average Athenian was like Pietro Bosselli. Every other civilization that wrote about encounters with the Greeks at their peak wrote about how they were unearthly beautiful, physically unmatched, and ruthlessly clever. Singular reason for Greek dominance during the Hellenic period throughout the near east, with Greeks settling from Spain to Afghanistan, despite them being a relatively small population
they were fit and had lots of gay sex. simple as
Gay Greeks is a modern myth
Yeah but everyone falls for the culture war memes so just rejoice in the fact you have a clearer understanding of the ancients
It's not culture war, you don't know your history, and honestly that ignorance might be protecting you. There are parts of history that I wish I did not learn. They ancient elites were sick people and I'm sure not much has changed.
A sector of Greek elites practiced sexual pederasty (not all elites btw) but it was considered shameful by the general population. Yes, homos and pedos have existed since ancient times but the gay paradise modern people think of Greece as is incorrect. I do understand what you're saying tho.
>it was considered shameful by the general population
Literally just fox and sour grapes
You just know the average man would've if he couldve
Like frfr tap that bussy
I don't want to do it to other men, it does not seem natural and it statistically leads to ass worms and HIV/AIDS
Would much rather do it with women like is natural, and it's not that hard for me to find it
>Gay Greeks is a modern myth
Then teach me, what really happened?
Pederasty happened like it did for all of history everywhere
But I wasn't gay because they only fucked twinks under 20
Masculine men fucking each other is a bro
It was gay and they preyed on children, which is fucking evil and unnatural. Full stop. They didn't stop there, and now you know and you can't unlearn it. Need to get out of this thread.
>evil
A synthetic declaration
>unnatural
Ehhh, it happens pretty often in all mammal species. So nah.
If you don't like something just say, "I personally disagree with this and anyone who I disagree with should die" that's what I do, just own your opinions bro lol
The institution of pederasty had the purpose of teaching and had no inherent sexual qualities. It was frowned upon to have sex with a man, specially to the receiver as attested by Athenian law, which forbade any man who was penetrated from speaking in public and holding any public office (almost all free Athenian men held public office). It was also forbidden for a teacher to be with his student after dawn. The punishment for violating such law was death. You can dig more into it but the TLDR was that homosexuality was seen as abhorrent and shameful and only a few elite men got away with it. The institution of pederasty wasn't inherently sexual and sexual contact with the student was seen as shameful and against the prime purpose of it (education of a great citizen)
Almost all free Athenian men held public office at some point*
>was also forbidden for a teacher to be with his student after dawn
That just proved that everyone was so lustful for bussy you wouldn't even trust a man to be alone with a boy lol
They were down bad frfr
Homosexuality did exist, as it has for most of civilization's history, but it was considered shameful and to the detriment of the participants. For one, the giver was considered intemperate and given into pleasure instead of higher tasks, while the recover was outright removed as a citizen because of the psychological trauma and unreliable nature of them (there was even a word for such people, catamites)
While the receiver*
Aight I'm out I realize I'm speaking to porn addicted noggers
I don't watch porn I fuck femboys sometimes tho
Porn is kinda boring like where do I put my dick what do I touch like bro
Just post the youtube video you got these ideas from so that this anon can make his own mind, instead of parroting it as if you studied the subject yourself.
You know the one, don't lie, I've watched it too
I got this from Bronze Age Pervert's podcast and further research on my own. Feel free to post it tho
To add to this, Plato, one of, if not the most, eminent greeks of all time and a man respected and revered by his fellow citizens in his own lifetime, explicitly condemns pederasty in his dialogue Symposium. Plato states that, as the soul is separated into a greater (lower/bad) part and a smaller (higher/moral) part, desire and love are separated in the same way. Eros, as Plato calls desire, is of the lower soul. Here falls the carnal lusts and pederasty, which dissolve functional societies and show weakness of character. Philia, or selfless love, is that of the higher soul. It is the love of nation, brother, and good things of the world. Philia is selfless, and proven by Plato to be both moral and the foundation of the perfect Republic. As I said before, the teachings of Plato were popular with the nobles of his time. They were sure to be shared by those who were loyal to Athens.
pt1
If that is not enough, take this quote from Laws:
> In truth, Strangers, it seems a difficult thing for State institutions to be equally beyond criticism both in theory and in practice. Their case resembles that of the human body, where it seems impossible to prescribe any given treatment for each case without finding that this same prescription is partly beneficial and partly injurious to the body. [636b] So these common meals, for example, and these gymnasia, while they are at present beneficial to the States in many other respects, yet in the event of civil strife they prove dangerous (as is shown by the case of the youth of Miletus, Bocotia and Thurii);1 and, moreover, this institution, when of old standing, is thought to have corrupted the pleasures of love which are natural not to men only but also natural to beasts. For this your States are held primarily responsible, and along with them all others [636c] that especially encourage the use of gymnasia. And whether one makes the observation in earnest or in jest, one certainly should not fail to observe that when male unites with female for procreation the pleasure experienced is held to be due to nature, but contrary to nature when male mates with male or female with female, and that those first guilty of such enormities were impelled by their slavery to pleasure. And we all accuse the Cretans of concocting the story about Ganymede. [636d] Because it was the belief that they derived their laws from Zeus, they added on this story about Zeus in order that they might be following his example in enjoying this pleasure as well.
Here, Plato shows the widespread disapproval of pederasty shared by all Dorian Greeks. He also shows that many Greeks recognize the myth of Ganymede and Zeus to be corrupted by the non-Nordic inhabitants of Crete, who were the genetic refuse of earlier Bronze age civilizations and perhaps a small Achaean element.
pt. 2
I'm the anon you replied to. Great effortpoast. I'd also like to add his and Xenophon's portrayals of Socrates. His dismissal of any sexual advances made by his students (him being a model for the great Greek intellectual aswell as their spokesperson for their ideas in their dialogues) showing the importance of temperance and denial of carnal pleasure for its own sake, gay sex being an example of it.
They said no homo so it wasn't gay.
Ancient Greeks witnessed first hand the benefits of fitness and being well physically developed, based af group.
There's more educational benefit to being fit than forced academics.
What is it with OP's and all of them being gays?
Plenty of reasons. Ancient Greece was one of the first ancient civilizations to put so much emphasis in athleticism. Being a capable athlete correlated with a capable warrior correlated with a capable citizen. Athleticism was also semi-mandatory for nobility. Their religion also favored physical training, whereas other religions tend to relate training to vanity or not conducive to spiritual growth. Naturally, their religion frequently portrayed heroic deeds portrayed by mortals, demigods and gods alike.
These were two of the main reasons which allowed athleticism to flourish in ancient Greece, but it's thanks to the arts (poetry, pottery, theater, sculpture) that we can appreciate their values 2500 years later. Since ancient Greece was the first society to put so much emphasis in athleticism and was also the beginning of western civilization it is no wonder modern people can connect so easily with something so antiquated. If you want to learn more about the beliefs of ancient Greeks look into arete (αρετή) and kalokagathia (καλοκαγαθία)
>tldr
Society and religion were integral in inspiring citizens to become better warriors and humans in general through working out
Don't be rude, the man was simply curious
Gayreeks were well known anal sex havers (between muscular men)
*fsssssht*
The Turks even today are known for their all-male nude bath houses in which very similar things occur. Turks and Greeks are very bitter rivals, but they are human beings not cockroaches. Just wish that Istanbul was Constantinople tbh.
Turkroaches and gayreeks are two sides of the same coin
The western philosophy was as obsessed about being athletic as the east was about being good at exams. Sadly, both are corrupted now, with cheating roidgays and exam cheaters.
Because being fit makes you a lot better at fighting wars, especially when you are fighting with spears. They also created much of the foundation of Western Civilization, including Western thought, philosophy, democracy, science, geometry, and many other things. They also liked to work out in ancient all-male gymnasiums nude and compete in the all-male ancient Olympics nude as well. Of course they did a lot of male buttblasting as well but that's common knowledge. The Romans were not so different but then they became Christians.
Where can I find this "Chiron" trainer?
they delude themselves into thinking that they are strong, but no amount of training will change weak men into strong men
Doing rigorous and hard excercise a make you stronger in mind and character.
Struggle makes you strong period, you cannot grow strong without struggle
Bro you are lucky that you don't know, I wish I could unlearn the sick shit that the elites have done since ancient times, because it's much worse than you realize
What's the deal with fitness bros and antisocial behavior? We should be brothers but everyone is scared of each other, or assholes because they got hurt a long time ago.
>Tfw maximum lifting power when a fellow gym bro sees me and just says hi
Well, there were two cases in history where a country expressed great interest in its citizens being physically fit. One of those, for now, has been in a bad spotlight in current culture.
Germany?
gays and lesos destroy society, they need to be removed
They watched 300 as a kid and thought it was cool.
It boils down to the statues looking cool and natty achievable
Greeks were obsessed with physical culture and the agonal competitions were an obsession for them. 2 of their most important gods, Apollo and Heracles, were intrinsically related to physical culture and the Agon. Greeks were notably obsessed with the muscular male form in art, to the point that they're largely credited with being the first people to do perfectly anatomically accurate musculature in sculpture that we know of. Greco-buddhists in Bactria were also, as far as many historians theorize, the first to depict the Buddha in human form, the human form being so intrinsic to the Greeks' cultural expression.
Renaissance sculptors sought to emulate the greeks in their creation of accurate and muscular sculptures. Modern physical culture, starting with the strongmen of the late 19th century, were very much inspired by Greek and Renaissance physical ideals and this has carried on into the bodybuilding of the present day. Bodybuilding champion is called Mr. Olympia for a reason.
You should read the Greeks and Greek Civilization by Jacob Burckhardt. Also read pic rel if you want the 411 on modern gymbro's spiritual reawakening with ancient Greece, this guy is their spiritual leader
>Also read pic rel if you want the 411 on modern gymbro's spiritual reawakening with ancient Greece, this guy is their spiritual leader
Haven't read Bronze Age Mindset, but if the opinions the author expresses outside of it are any indication of it's quality, I would rather not. Bronze Age Pervert is a civic nationalist and therefore a retard. Does he actually say anything of worth in it?
It's literally like 100 pages long just read it. Here:
https://pdflake.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Bronze-Age-Mindset-PDF.pdf
Reminder this isn't a book of politics or philosophy, it's miscellaneous schizophrenic thoughts written in caveman grammar, and this triggers academic wordcels to the point of seething violent rage
>civic nationalist
Fucking lel, yeah that's a good way of putting it. Civic nationalist but only after millions have been killed and the nudist warrior aristocrats have removed all rights from women and enslaved any brownoids or Han chinese still living
>Civic nationalist but only after millions have been killed and the nudist warrior aristocrats have removed all rights from women and enslaved any brownoids or Han chinese still living
dangerously based
Also wanted to add to this that the Greek obsession with physical culture and their own warriors aristocracies also manifested in their eugenics practices. Each Greek city-state was its own eugenics project. Spartans all looked like Dolph Lundgren clones and were all severely autistic and the average Athenian was like Pietro Bosselli. Every other civilization that wrote about encounters with the Greeks at their peak wrote about how they were unearthly beautiful, physically unmatched, and ruthlessly clever. Singular reason for Greek dominance during the Hellenic period throughout the near east, with Greeks settling from Spain to Afghanistan, despite them being a relatively small population